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Jaiden Demonia
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.08 05:40:00 -
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Like seriously I make a lot of transactions this month in EVE, I sell over 3 Billion worth of resources this month in EVE, and I log back into EVE a few days later to see that my account is Negative 600 Million ISK for some odd reason. I check my transaction logs and it says something about a GM RMT Reversal first time in over many months of doing active trades between players, many contracts, and many 0 ISK/Direct Wallet trades.
I trust the people I do business with which is why I generally just do a 0 ISK transaction and let them pay me with a discount on it.
When a Reversal on an account occurs, Does this mean that the player who did the transfer with a person is given the items, or ISK back?
I file a petition on this as this is the first time doing the exact same trades, Industry/Mining that I have done for months on my account, I understand that my accounts could have been flagged like in other games due to Large Transactions in ISK in a single month but when you have 5 accounts what do you expect to happen I also do all my transactions on a single character.
I Guess what I am asking is how long does it generally take for CCP to actually fix these type of problems if they are a mistake, or let me know what is up so I can get hold of the corp/alliance, or whomever I did the transaction with so they can send the items back if it was indeed a reversal.
Currently I have 4 other accounts waiting to come back and make another 3-5 billion isk this month, but can't actively renew any of them until this little issues is taken care of and I have read that it can take weeks for anyone to get back in response to a petition, I have had some very long waits on some in the past too. |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
1035
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Posted - 2014.01.08 05:45:00 -
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Assuming you weren't actually RMTing then you had the misfortune of dealing with somebody who was and the ISK they paid you with was considered dirty money. From other cases like this, don't expect it to get resolved soon. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8200
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Posted - 2014.01.08 05:45:00 -
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Xurr
Angelic Insurrection Corp
52
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Posted - 2014.01.08 05:46:00 -
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3-5 billion isk and large transactions don't go together.
"I trust the people I do business with which is why I generally just do a 0 ISK transaction and let them pay me with a discount on it." This is where you lose all credibility.
Anyhow all you can do is wait for a response, aside from being viciously mocked on the forums. |
Jaiden Demonia
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.08 06:02:00 -
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Quote:Assuming you weren't actually RMTing then you had the misfortune of dealing with somebody who was and the ISK they paid you with was considered dirty money. From other cases like this, don't expect it to get resolved soon.
Thanks, then I won't be renewing my other 4 accounts for awhile then their loss of money from a paying customer not that it matters. Yes I am sure there are dirty transactions in a number of places given the fact this is the first time in over a year of playing EVE I think I have done my best to stay clean from scammers and isk sellers well its never 100% possible to stay clean of illegally obtained goods given the fact that EVE offers so many ways to make transactions including a friend could just give someone 20 billion isk for some reason and there is no way to prove that that person bought ISK.
I really wouldn't spend my Real Life money on gold though I have enough EVE accounts to worry about, 2 DarkFall accounts, and a Server box which totals to around $400 a month in cash.
Usually when a person buys gold in a online game they get an email about it I am just curious because it took place yesterday, I got no email and I am confused about it all if they items/ISK was actually returned to the player or players.
Xurr wrote:3-5 billion isk and large transactions don't go together.
"I trust the people I do business with which is why I generally just do a 0 ISK transaction and let them pay me with a discount on it." This is where you lose all credibility.
Anyhow all you can do is wait for a response, aside from being viciously mocked on the forums.
Depends, What I usually do Is I mine a crap ton of money if I am feeling really crabby then I can easily make 500+ Million isk a day with my accounts considering 3 of them are not fully trained or maxed out yet.
Usually what I do is offer my resources at discounted price to players and Corps I know in EVE in a contract for 0 ISK, I let them pay me because I trust them I actually know the people I contract it to if not I wouldn't contract it for 0 ISK.
They pay me directly to wallet, or later in some way if I agree to it usually its directly to wallet most of the time though.
Larger Transactions when it turns out like no one wanted the stuff I was selling this month because they had a big enough supply I just take it down to Jita and do a quick sell of my items hitting an instant Billion ISK in one second sometimes 2 billion ISK or more instantly depending on what I am selling.
I am not one of those idiots that gets scammed by all the contract spam people put in the Jita market the things where you can sell a plex, but the buyer pays back the same plex they just purchased type of thing like seriously if only CCP would restrict this trickery.
After all EVE has lots of scammers I see it everyday but if you can't trust your own corp, alliance, or people you know of in Real Life and in Game especially when you are like me then where does it get you and what is the point of playing industry in EVE then. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2314
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Posted - 2014.01.08 06:03:00 -
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Xurr wrote:"I trust the people I do business with which is why I generally just do a 0 ISK transaction and let them pay me with a discount on it." This is where you lose all credibility. Why wouldn't you just do the transaction with the discount already included?
Oh god. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2314
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Posted - 2014.01.08 06:07:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote:Usually when a person buys gold in a online game they get an email about it. Sounds like the voice of experience. Oh god. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4781
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Posted - 2014.01.08 06:07:00 -
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CCP are unlikely to give out any information about how they identified you as a RMTer. This is mainly to maintain their lead (or lag) in the arms race between RMTers and CCP security.
Bannings due to RMT are so very rarely mistaken that most people on the forums will assume that you are actually an RMTer, so brace yourself for a flood of abuse. There has been at least one record of a character trade that lead to the new owner receiving an RMT ban, when it was actually the character's previous owner that engaged in RMT and used character transfer to dodge the RMT ban bullet (temporarily). So you have some hope of being taken seriously: CCP will work with you to resolve the issue if it turns out that you were in fact mistakenly painted with the RMT brush.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3010
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Posted - 2014.01.08 06:09:00 -
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I am spaceship.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
1352
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Posted - 2014.01.08 06:48:00 -
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Thanks to your 0 ISK transaction thing, even _if_ you didn't RMT/launder CCP can't directly tie the ISK you received to the minerals you gave. That makes a it rather difficult for them to reverse the transaction. Nyan |
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
719
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Posted - 2014.01.08 06:57:00 -
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What do you mean by "0 isk transaction"?
A contract for 0 ISK? A station trade?
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Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
398
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Posted - 2014.01.08 07:13:00 -
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when you leave , can i haz your stuff? The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Jaiden Demonia
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.08 07:26:00 -
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Quote:Thanks to your 0 ISK transaction thing, even _if_ you didn't RMT/launder CCP can't directly tie the ISK you received to the minerals you gave. That makes a it rather difficult for them to reverse the transaction.
Not going to lie I could give a class on exactly how to do this in online games, and even games which support Real Money Trading like Entropia, but believe me I wouldn't use my own account for such actions, I am just not a stupid person.
Rhivre wrote:What do you mean by "0 isk transaction"?
A contract for 0 ISK? A station trade?
I have done a lot more transactions this month than in previous months because i started playing a lot more than I previously was and registered 2 more accounts.
Most of my transactions were done by contract to people I know of all of them were corporation related except for alternate accounts of others from the same corps I did contracts with which bought my items but I put the contracts to that specific person for 0 ISK and then they paid later directly to me.
There were also multiple station trades, although I rarely do station trades unless another player asks me but there were like at least 3-4 station trades this month that I Can think of which had 0 ISK transactions most of them I know were from newbie corps because the people I know had alts didn't want them to be in any corp wanted it to stay in a starter corp to avoid war-decks I guess you could call them care-bears?
I do Zero ISK trades all the time I have since the day I started going into industrial and never had any problem until recently perhaps I just run into a trade which was a dirty trade don't really have any full idea.
When I don't do zero ISK trades is if I do a public contract obviously, or when I sell items on the market or buy orders otherwise if I know the person or the corp I tend to trust the people and it works for me usually.
I also always use Jita, or Amarr to sell my items too because they are trade-hubs obviously not sure that has anything to do with it perhaps the Billion ISK transactions of items I sold raised red flags.
I just hope they figure it out soon and let me know without waiting too long don't want to loose my subscription time because I really can't play. |
Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2068
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Posted - 2014.01.08 07:31:00 -
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TL;DR Margin Trader finally gets what she had coming.
And I don't care if you say you weren't. I really couldn't care less how you defend it.
Jaiden Demonia wrote:
Thanks, then I won't be renewing my other 4 accounts for awhile then their loss of money from a paying customer not that it matters.
Good. Keep New Eden Tidy.
Jaiden Demonia wrote:being viciously mocked on the forums.
No more than you deserve. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Jaiden Demonia
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.08 07:39:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:TL;DR RMTer finally gets what she had coming. And I don't care if you say you weren't. I really couldn't care less how you defend it. Jaiden Demonia wrote:
Thanks, then I won't be renewing my other 4 accounts for awhile then their loss of money from a paying customer not that it matters.
Good. Keep New Eden Tidy. Jaiden Demonia wrote:being viciously mocked on the forums. No more than you deserve.
If you really want to clean up this game.
How about we get rid of all the contract scammers that sit in Jita scamming all day long if you want to do your job at cleaning anything up in fact most those illegal scammers are likely related to RMT activity anyways.
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Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2068
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Posted - 2014.01.08 07:42:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote: if you want to do your job at cleaning anything up in fact most those illegal scammers are likely related to RMT activity anyways.
Im curious to know why you think its my job to get rid of people like you.
Scamming isnt illegal BTW. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
ACE McFACE
The Scope Gallente Federation
1738
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Posted - 2014.01.08 07:57:00 -
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Gogela wrote:I am spaceship. I find that hard to believe You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2320
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:00:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote:[How about we get rid of all the contract scammers that sit in Jita scamming all day long if you want to do your job at cleaning anything up in fact most those illegal scammers are likely related to RMT activity anyways. They're not illegal, and even if they were, you can't justify your RMT activities for that reason. I guess if you thought scamming was illegal but ignored by CCP, that would explain why you thought you could get away with RMT.
Oh god. |
Jaiden Demonia
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:19:00 -
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Scamming isn't illegal but I see it as illegal, or well dumb. |
Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2069
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:23:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote: well dumb.
No, the "well dumb" are those who fall for it
Every time an greedy idiot quits because they fell for a scam, an angel gets its wingalings.
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2322
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:26:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Every time an greedy idiot quits because they fell for a scam, an angel gets its wingalings.
Also, just because you think its illegal, that don't make it so, sweetiepie. I've heard that losing all your in game possessions to a scammer can breathe new life into the game for many victims. Going back to mining in a velator and starting from scratch can be a refreshing experience and many victims of scamming are grateful that they have been freed from the bonds of a stale and unsatisfying routine. Oh god. |
Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards The Bastards.
276
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:27:00 -
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deep breath hahahahahahahahahahahah RMT got caught hahahahahahaha
nice post to wake up to already feel better |
Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2069
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:29:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Every time an greedy idiot quits because they fell for a scam, an angel gets its wingalings.
Also, just because you think its illegal, that don't make it so, sweetiepie. I've heard that losing all your in game possessions to a scammer can breathe new life into the game for many victims. Going back to mining in a velator and starting from scratch can be a refreshing experience and many victims of scamming are grateful that they have been freed from the bonds of a stale and unsatisfying routine.
Indeed, true redemption is to be reborn, knowing what you know now.
Wings of foresight and without the weight sand-bags of greed to stop you flying high. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1021
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:30:00 -
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You are dirty until proven otherwise.....
CCP, trading shiny pictures for playability since 2003.. EvE, a cutting edge game. The only game to provide Matrix style gameplay for the masses! (trouble is, most people don't have 9 hours to waste on a one hour fight.) |
Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
29
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:51:00 -
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Start a petition, if you were doing something legit you'll probably get the ISK back. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18782
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:57:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote:If you really want to clean up this game.
How about we get rid of all the contract scammers that sit in Jita scamming all day long They're not doing anything wrong, though, so that wouldn't really clean up anything.
Quote:in fact most those illegal scammers are likely related to RMT activity anyways. How would you know this? Also, even if they did, the scams are still not illegal and they'll get whacked for what they're actually doing wrong, which is the RMT.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
98
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Posted - 2014.01.08 09:01:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote:Scamming isn't illegal but I see it as illegal, or well dumb. 500 Million ISK a day using three accounts. You shouldn't call anybody dumb, except yourself. And considering your style of writing... you would be right! ;) New player feeling neglected? You're important from day 1!!! Join the Epic Boo Bees! (female chars only, RP!)
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
612
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Posted - 2014.01.08 09:13:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote:Like seriously I make a lot of transactions this month in EVE, I sell over 3 Billion worth of resources this month in EVE, and I log back into EVE a few days later to see that my account is Negative 600 Million ISK for some odd reason. I check my transaction logs and it says something about a GM RMT Reversal first time in over many months of doing active trades between players, many contracts, and many 0 ISK/Direct Wallet trades.
I trust the people I do business with which is why I generally just do a 0 ISK transaction and let them pay me with a discount on it.
When a Reversal on an account occurs, Does this mean that the player who did the transfer with a person is given the items, or ISK back?
Those assets/isks explode/vanish/leave game.
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I file a petition on this as this is the first time doing the exact same trades, Industry/Mining that I have done for months on my account, I understand that my accounts could have been flagged like in other games due to Large Transactions in ISK in a single month but when you have 5 accounts what do you expect to happen I also do all my transactions on a single character.
I have an alt that I handed 4b of loot to in 1 go last month, and it sold it weeks later and then handed the cash to my corp - making all 3 accounts assymetric in effect. I have, over the course of a year or two where I was building 6b of ships weekly, probably racked up 100B in xferrs between the accounts, and there is a signficant overall flow of assets from this one, to the alt (since the alt account doesn't go out and shoot stuff). I've done transfers all sorts of ways, including 0 contracts, station xfers with both logged on and even cash donations and cash inputs to my corp. None of the accounts can ever be asset flow neutral really.
ie assymetry of legitimate asset flow between accounts does not get one bitten for RMT.
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I Guess what I am asking is how long does it generally take for CCP to actually fix these type of problems if they are a mistake, or let me know what is up so I can get hold of the corp/alliance, or whomever I did the transaction with so they can send the items back if it was indeed a reversal.
Currently I have 4 other accounts waiting to come back and make another 3-5 billion isk this month, but can't actively renew any of them until this little issues is taken care of and I have read that it can take weeks for anyone to get back in response to a petition, I have had some very long waits on some in the past too.
You can only be -600m and assetless if you were holding more RMT cash than your total cash position, which is a position people get into when they are consuming RMT by losing RMT'd items.
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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
439
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Posted - 2014.01.08 10:06:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:I've heard that losing all your in game possessions to a scammer can breathe new life into the game for many victims. Going back to mining in a velator and starting from scratch can be a refreshing experience and many victims of scamming are grateful that they have been freed from the bonds of a stale and unsatisfying routine.
Never fallen for a scam because I can read but sometimes I will steamroll through L1s in a Merlin for nostalgia and fun.
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1081
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Posted - 2014.01.08 10:33:00 -
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I didn't really understand what you do for a living in EvE as you were rather ambiguous about it, but it boils down to this;
You send out a lot of money or goods for zero contracts but then get something back for it you're not RMT'ing.
You send out a lot of goods or money and get nothing back, you're RMT'ing.
CCP can see every transaction you make and see your IP and the other trades made on it also, so only you and CCP know for sure.
You sound like an RMT'er to me. Only a nub thinks CCP gives 2 ***** about scammed ISK unless you try to defraud a PLEX for good event, but nubs don't have 5 accounts and trade billions. And the only reason to trade something in game for nothing in game is because you're getting something out of game in return.
Quote:I trust the people I do business with which is why I generally just do a 0 ISK transaction and let them pay me with a discount on it.
I don't understand how you can discount something beyond not paying for it.
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