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Edwin McAlister
Interstellar Engineering and Electronics INC
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Posted - 2014.01.09 02:55:00 -
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in this instance, I am referring to the size of drone bays on ships
There are a lot of cool drones, combat, utility, logi, ewar, ect..
in my observation, the key limiting factor on the usage of drones is the bandwidth allowed by a specific hull type.
with a 25 bandwidth, your only using 5 light combat drones at most, (or lesser quantity combinations of lights/med/heavy) even with a 400m3 drone bay.
I would venture to suggest that an increase in the size of drone bay (bay only, not bandwidth) might be a beneficial change to the game
This would allow players to not feel so restricted and carry a wider variety of drones possibly
Larger drone bays, mean more drones used, more drones consumed, increase in overall drone useage on missions or what not,
Increased market in drones of all types, not just the combat types
I fully admit, that yes, I personally would pack some of the more interesting drones instead of the core combat drones if I had a larger drone bay. As it stands, I pack what I need immediately and no more. and 99% of the time, that is combat drones.
Increase of drone bay size is a fairly simple solution, it could be further changed by restricting drone bay to X amount of combat drones and Y amount of support or a variety of factors.
Is it dumbing down the game? or making it too easy for one side or the other? My pvp experience is very limited, so I can only speak from an exploration / wormhole / mission point of view No, I don't think this is dumbing it down, I feel it would add more choices and options to players, and throw some twists into the fights. There would also be those that just load up the drone bay with max amount of hobgoblins and roll out from there and not take advantage of the opportunity to expand the load out and try new things. |
Ish Eistiras
Shrubbery Acquisitions Blohm and Voss Shipyards Alliance
5
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Posted - 2014.01.09 03:24:00 -
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I, as a somewhat biased drone loving player, would agree that dedicated drone ships should have additional drone capacity. Though I feel that should be more a BS size change, drone BS's could have 500-750 for a few full flights of different drone types.
It might almost be better to implimnet something like drone bays the same way expanded cargo bays exist now, as a mod that you can use with the tradeoffs that includes. |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
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Posted - 2014.01.09 03:29:00 -
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If anything the size of drone bays needs to be nerfed. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative
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Posted - 2014.01.09 04:15:00 -
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drone bays are good as they are.
problem comes down to, though, 99% of the time people will just pack their hold full of combat drones, because in the end, 75%+ of the time DPS is going to win out over any other drne time in immediate usefullnes |
Swiftstrike1
Interfector INC. Fade 2 Black
402
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Posted - 2014.01.09 08:54:00 -
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With the addition of mobile depots into the game, drone bays are effectively much larger than what your fitting window says.
A T1 mobile depot has a volume of 50m3. Every remaining m3 in your cargo hold can be full of drones if you so wish, and it only takes 1 minute to online your depot and swap drones between cargo and drone bay. This can even be done during combat, although an on the ball opponent will incap your depot before it comes online.
Bottom line: drone bays do not need expanding! Fleet Bookmarks New Gravimetric Sites Med Clones 2.0 |
Edwin McAlister
Interstellar Engineering and Electronics INC
19
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Posted - 2014.01.09 23:44:00 -
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ok, let me ask a question
Assuming that bandwidth does not change... and lets assume that the drone bay size were doubled...
how would this negatively or positively affect game play in pvp and/or pve
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Daoden
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.09 23:50:00 -
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if someone shoots your drones and you have 20 more in your bay you dont have to worry as much about recalling and redeploying drones |
Edwin McAlister
Interstellar Engineering and Electronics INC
19
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Posted - 2014.01.10 01:21:00 -
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That could be considered a good thing Daoden, for industrialists that is, drones being treated as expendable ammo and replaced |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2206
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Posted - 2014.01.10 01:31:00 -
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Edwin McAlister wrote:That could be considered a good thing Daoden, for industrialists that is, drones being treated as expendable ammo and replaced
Removing one of the major drawbacks of drones, that is, a destructible weapon system with limited reloads, without any kind of an attempt at balancing this tremendous buff, would be kind of silly.
If you're fighting someone with drones, currently you'd kill the drones first. Under your system, he'd have multiple waves of combat drones for you to deal with. This would inevitably tip the balance of combat.
While you personally might use a mix of different drones, everyone else will pack one flight of ECM and cram as many combats as possible into their bay. |
Felsusguy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.10 03:25:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Edwin McAlister wrote:That could be considered a good thing Daoden, for industrialists that is, drones being treated as expendable ammo and replaced Removing one of the major drawbacks of drones, that is, a destructible weapon system with limited reloads, without any kind of an attempt at balancing this tremendous buff, would be kind of silly. Kill Drone Assist? How droll. |
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Edwin McAlister
Interstellar Engineering and Electronics INC
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Posted - 2014.01.10 21:31:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:While you personally might use a mix of different drones, everyone else will pack one flight of ECM and cram as many combats as possible into their bay.
currently that is what we do cause there is not much choice |
Senarian Tyme
Serenity Rising LLC Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
70
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Posted - 2014.01.10 21:37:00 -
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Double the size of the drone bays! Also double the sizes of all the drones! Except the Sentinels... make them 3x as large instead. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
9091
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Posted - 2014.01.10 21:37:00 -
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Eve is not a game where you can be prepared for every situation at every time. You should not be able to carry a full flight of every drone available. You have to pick carefully and hope for the best.
If anything, the current drone bay of the drone hulls need to be scaled back some. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2284
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Posted - 2014.01.10 21:43:00 -
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Edwin McAlister wrote:Danika Princip wrote:While you personally might use a mix of different drones, everyone else will pack one flight of ECM and cram as many combats as possible into their bay. currently that is what we do cause there is not much choice
I'm of the honest opinion that this is due more to the general uselessness of other utility and ewar drones than ships having too little drone bay. As it is, two races of combat drones are generally shunned by most PvP and many PvE pilots as being suboptimal. ECM drones provide for some utility due to the nature of their effect, but given limited bandwidth and drone control ability (5 drones or less in all common subcaps) the choice to use one of the other flavors of ewar drones is often ill advised. Couple that with a complete lack of hull bonuses for ewar drones, and it's really no surprise that many drone bays contain nothing other than some ECM drones, and a mixture of Gallente and Minmatar combat drones. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
81
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Posted - 2014.01.10 21:49:00 -
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increasing drone bay size messes with balance of ships that rely on drones for dps; i/e ishtar.
Ishtar can field 3 flights of sentry drones. Kill those, and the ishtar goes home.
Now if ishtar could field lets say 1000m of drones in his bay, I would just pack it with extra sentries. Forget ECM, webbing, whatever; as they say, MOAR SENTRIES!!!
In practical terms it makes drone boats that much more powerful. Ishtar can kite longer, battleships like gheddon have more utility (sentries OR heavy ECM), and it just demands more rebalancing.
Just think about it, a 50man domi fleet, you bomb them once, twice, thrice, and they keep deploying fresh sentry drones. a bomber can carry only 3-4 bombs...
it would be unbalanced. its allready unbalanced with drone assist and all, this would make even more popular. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1305
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Posted - 2014.01.10 22:13:00 -
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Would also result in some weird cost balance problems, as suddenly drone boats would become vastly more expensive as they need to fill a giant drone bay. |
Edwin McAlister
Interstellar Engineering and Electronics INC
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Posted - 2014.01.11 05:59:00 -
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so, overall, the problem is more the borderline uselessness of the other drones when compared to the combat drones
at least that is the impression I am getting from the few responses ive seen here and from talking with folks in game.
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Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2208
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Posted - 2014.01.11 10:56:00 -
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Edwin McAlister wrote:so, overall, the problem is more the borderline uselessness of the other drones when compared to the combat drones
at least that is the impression I am getting from the few responses ive seen here and from talking with folks in game.
No, the problem with this idea is that it is a buff to droneboats with no corresponding balance changes. |
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