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Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2014.01.12 08:21:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:EXACTLY. Nullsec industry WILL NEVER BE SO EASY AS IN HISEC as far as hisec will be main trade hub. You can buff nullsec and nerf hisec as much as you want. This will never change. Hisec is industrial superpower. Deal with it.
HS has an excess supply of free, perfect, risk free slots. It is quite literally impossible to compete with that.
If the result of various industry changes is that Nullsec industry is harder or more risky than HS, but pays better, BINGO, mission accomplished. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9783
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Posted - 2014.01.12 08:26:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:TharOkha wrote:EXACTLY. Nullsec industry WILL NEVER BE SO EASY AS IN HISEC as far as hisec will be main trade hub. You can buff nullsec and nerf hisec as much as you want. This will never change. Hisec is industrial superpower. Deal with it. HS has an excess supply of free, perfect, risk free slots. It is quite literally impossible to compete with that. If the result of various industry changes is that Nullsec industry is harder or more risky than HS, but pays better, BINGO, mission accomplished.
Hell I would settle for just being able to compete with highsec. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
blabla4711
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.12 08:26:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:
I really do not see what forcing casual players, especially the ones with real lives who are not glued to the keyboard every night while mummy brings them snacks and dinner, to just quit can achieve.
I am a casual player with a job and things to do around the house. A good chunk of my corp have children to look after, jobs to go to etc. This argument is a myth and should never stop CCP from correctly balancing the game.
Suuuuure ..... just like every supposed-to-be-female on the internet is a female for real ..... or the web grafitti of your master is really famous on the internet outside of your gooniverse .... or ccp had to enter a military complex to see ramsan-devices instead of just calling ramsan inc. at this time and get some test devices 2 years before ccp ever heard of them like any other company .... youre a brain surgeon with a house and family numbered 8+ at least and just post here 24x7 while you rest between your live saving ops you do each day.
The internet is full of truth ....
Wait .... didnt you say in the past that you post bs here because you fear ccp patch something because of posts of other persons on this forum as it had happened in the past you think? n1. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9783
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Posted - 2014.01.12 08:35:00 -
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blabla4711 wrote: The internet is full of truth ....
Most EVE players have jobs. The whole casual players argument is nothing but a myth, very few are able to play 12+ hours a day. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
blabla4711
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.12 08:42:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:blabla4711 wrote: The internet is full of truth ....
Most EVE players have jobs. The whole casual players argument is nothing but a myth, very few are able to play 12+ hours a day.
And why are you posting here? Most eve players dont play in nullsec. Most eve players dont care about your sandbox. Most eve players dont give a rats arse what nullsec does.
So why do you pretend YOU speak on their behalf and have nerdrage about THEIR sandbox? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9783
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Posted - 2014.01.12 08:45:00 -
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blabla4711 wrote:
And why are you posting here? Most eve players dont play in nullsec. Most eve players dont care about your sandbox. Most eve players dont give a rats arse what nullsec does. Most eve players dont even read here let alone post.
So why do you pretend YOU speak on their behalf and have nerdrage about THEIR sandbox?
Tell me, why should I and everyone else in null sec be forced to build in empire space rather than in our null sec empires? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
blabla4711
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.12 08:51:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:blabla4711 wrote:
And why are you posting here? Most eve players dont play in nullsec. Most eve players dont care about your sandbox. Most eve players dont give a rats arse what nullsec does. Most eve players dont even read here let alone post.
So why do you pretend YOU speak on their behalf and have nerdrage about THEIR sandbox?
Tell me, why should I and everyone else in null sec be forced to build in empire space rather than in our null sec empires?
I dont care because i do the "adapt or die" you like to post instead of the "cry, stomp and lie on the forums" approach of persons like you.
Nice try to change the subject btw but in vain. Dont cry in here to change to sandbox of others .... play your own or quit .... or like persons like you like to say .... htfu.
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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
509
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Posted - 2014.01.12 08:53:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:blabla4711 wrote:
And why are you posting here? Most eve players dont play in nullsec. Most eve players dont care about your sandbox. Most eve players dont give a rats arse what nullsec does. Most eve players dont even read here let alone post.
So why do you pretend YOU speak on their behalf and have nerdrage about THEIR sandbox?
Tell me, why should I and everyone else in null sec be forced to build in empire space rather than in our null sec empires?
Choices have consequences.
If a miner chooses not to tank their hull or chooses to mine AFK, those choices have consequences.
If a player chooses to live in nullsec, having full knowledge of the challenges that choosing that lifestyle presents, those choices have consequences.
The idea that you are being forced to do anything is no less victimizing than miners losing their **** about gankers. The difference here is that you don't feel that you should have to HTFU? "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
TharOkha
0asis Group
756
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Posted - 2014.01.12 08:55:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:TharOkha wrote:EXACTLY. Nullsec industry WILL NEVER BE SO EASY AS IN HISEC as far as hisec will be main trade hub. You can buff nullsec and nerf hisec as much as you want. This will never change. Hisec is industrial superpower. Deal with it. HS has an excess supply of free, perfect, risk free slots. It is quite literally impossible to compete with that. If the result of various industry changes is that Nullsec industry is harder or more risky than HS, but pays better, BINGO, mission accomplished.
I agree. And if you read my previous posts carefully, i support the idea that hi sec slots should be significantly more expensive as those in low/null. And that sov outposts should be superior to hisec stations.
My reaction is mainly against the complains that hisec industry is much easier in logistic and haul than in null. Which cannot be changed as far as hisec is well supplied EVE trade hub.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13549
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:04:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:TharOkha wrote:EXACTLY. Nullsec industry WILL NEVER BE SO EASY AS IN HISEC as far as hisec will be main trade hub. You can buff nullsec and nerf hisec as much as you want. This will never change. Hisec is industrial superpower. Deal with it. HS has an excess supply of free, perfect, risk free slots. It is quite literally impossible to compete with that. If the result of various industry changes is that Nullsec industry is harder or more risky than HS, but pays better, BINGO, mission accomplished. I agree. And if you read my previous posts carefully, i support the idea that hi sec slots should be significantly more expensive as those in low/null. And that sov outposts should be superior to hisec stations. My reaction is mainly against the complains that hisec industry is much easier in logistic and haul than in null. Which cannot be changed as far as hisec is well supplied EVE trade hub.
I'm not aware of any suggestion that it should be, only that it be taken into account when the balancing calculations are made.
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Dave Stark
4171
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:05:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:baltec1 wrote:blabla4711 wrote:
And why are you posting here? Most eve players dont play in nullsec. Most eve players dont care about your sandbox. Most eve players dont give a rats arse what nullsec does. Most eve players dont even read here let alone post.
So why do you pretend YOU speak on their behalf and have nerdrage about THEIR sandbox?
Tell me, why should I and everyone else in null sec be forced to build in empire space rather than in our null sec empires? Choices have consequences. If a miner chooses not to tank their hull or chooses to mine AFK, those choices have consequences. If a player chooses to live in nullsec, having full knowledge of the challenges that choosing that lifestyle presents, those choices have consequences. The idea that you are being forced to do anything is no less victimizing than miners losing their **** about gankers. The difference here is that you don't feel that you should have to HTFU?
just because choices have consequences doesn't mean we can ignore balance issues. |
blabla4711
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:10:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:
just because choices have consequences doesn't mean we can ignore balance issues.
What balance? That 11% of the playerbase, some of them entering the forum full of tears, control a vast amount of systems which MAYBE have less prod-slots systemwise than the tiny number of hs-systems in comparison which have slightly more systemwise?
Get serious .... |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9783
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:12:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:
Choices have consequences.
If a miner chooses not to tank their hull or chooses to mine AFK, those choices have consequences.
If a player chooses to live in nullsec, having full knowledge of the challenges that choosing that lifestyle presents, those choices have consequences.
The idea that you are being forced to do anything is no less victimizing than miners losing their **** about gankers. The difference here is that you don't feel that you should have to HTFU?
The difference is that miners get to mine in high sec if they tank or not. I only have the option of going to high sec because it is impossible to compete if I go to null. I am willing to take the added risks and time to go live in null but right now there is no way even compete with high sec let alone earn more for that added risk.
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Dave Stark
4171
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:16:00 -
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blabla4711 wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
just because choices have consequences doesn't mean we can ignore balance issues.
What balance? That 11% of the playerbase, some of them entering the forum full of tears, control a vast amount of systems which MAYBE have less prod-slots systemwise than the tiny number of hs-systems in comparison which have slightly more systemwise? Get serious ....
if only 11% of players live there, that quite obviously suggests that there are very few reasons to go and live there, which is a balance issue. It's not about the number of production slots, it's about the activity as a whole. |
blabla4711
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:21:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: The difference is that miners get to mine in high sec if they tank or not. I only have the option of going to high sec because it is impossible to compete if I go to null. I am willing to take the added risks and time to go live in null but right now there is no way even compete with high sec let alone earn more for that added risk.
Ah ... the "myth" about "added risk" again ... still the usual lies, hu?
I already brought the example the farming moongoo afk for years in a broken implementation ... care to show me techmoons in hs? No? You dont "earn" more already?
Added risk? Where? in empty systems round the clock?
Nullsec has already the potential to "earn" more for added risk. But you and persons like you loves to cry in here because they have to do it somewhat different than hs. Youre the "pubbies" of nullsec who cry, lie and dance in here like the highsec pubbies you love to babble about.
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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
509
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:26:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:
Choices have consequences.
If a miner chooses not to tank their hull or chooses to mine AFK, those choices have consequences.
If a player chooses to live in nullsec, having full knowledge of the challenges that choosing that lifestyle presents, those choices have consequences.
The idea that you are being forced to do anything is no less victimizing than miners losing their **** about gankers. The difference here is that you don't feel that you should have to HTFU?
The difference is that miners get to mine in high sec if they tank or not. I only have the option of going to high sec because it is impossible to compete if I go to null. I am willing to take the added risks and time to go live in null but right now there is no way even compete with high sec let alone earn more for that added risk.
I point you to the highlighted text in your quote. The defeatism is truly counterproductive.
I am by no means the most knowledgeable person in game. That being said, can it be said that W-Space is as profitable as it is because they have something that no other space has? Sleeper tech?
Is there any resource or technology that Null has that is not being utilized but is instead being carted up to HS, via a logistical nightmare, to be sold for ISK?
How is it that Null is banging their fists on the table and WH denizens just do their thing without a care for what is happening here? Is W-space any less risky?
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
blabla4711
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:26:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:blabla4711 wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
just because choices have consequences doesn't mean we can ignore balance issues.
What balance? That 11% of the playerbase, some of them entering the forum full of tears, control a vast amount of systems which MAYBE have less prod-slots systemwise than the tiny number of hs-systems in comparison which have slightly more systemwise? Get serious .... if only 11% of players live there, that quite obviously suggests that there are very few reasons to go and live there, which is a balance issue. It's not about the number of production slots, it's about the activity as a whole.
Well ... maybe 89% of the playerbase of eve dont want the way how to play their sandbox dictated by the 11%?
Do we now get back to the "thesis" that the 89% play eve wrong and the 11% play the game right? Remember? Sandbox. |
Dave Stark
4171
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:30:00 -
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blabla4711 wrote:Dave Stark wrote:blabla4711 wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
just because choices have consequences doesn't mean we can ignore balance issues.
What balance? That 11% of the playerbase, some of them entering the forum full of tears, control a vast amount of systems which MAYBE have less prod-slots systemwise than the tiny number of hs-systems in comparison which have slightly more systemwise? Get serious .... if only 11% of players live there, that quite obviously suggests that there are very few reasons to go and live there, which is a balance issue. It's not about the number of production slots, it's about the activity as a whole. Well ... maybe 89% of the playerbase of eve dont want the way how to play their sandbox dictated by the 11%? Do we now get to the point that the 89% play eve wrong and the 11% play the game right? Remember? Sandbox.
the topic; please stay on it. |
blabla4711
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:33:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote: the topic; please stay on it.
What was the topic again? Ah, yes. Nerf HiSec (89%) because they dont care about my playstyle (11%) but i cry to the forums about theirs.
Right on spot. |
Serene Repose
Saanen Freight Service
876
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:33:00 -
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Ummm. What was the question, again? I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
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Pipa Porto
1519
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:34:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:I am by no means the most knowledgeable person in game. That being said, can it be said that W-Space is as profitable as it is because they have something that no other space has? Sleeper tech?
Guess where T3 production happens. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
509
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:35:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Deunan Tenephais wrote: Oh please, don't play coy, both sides do it. We are posting in a thread where the very first post is made of total sycophantry toward nerfing highsec security/income, pretending for a kind of better-ever-after if it happens.
And about increasing highsec security through years, CCP did that to try to better the players' retention rate, not because some entitlement minded people were moaning that they wanted Simcity In Space.
On a personnal level, what I would like to see happen is for concord intervention mechanisms to now have 2 phases: -a battle detection phase during which there is a X% chance per each tick of a yet to be determined span of time for concord detectors to notice the fight happening, the percentage being directly proportionnal to the security rating of the system; -the intervention phase proper, more or less as it is now.
It would make it more realistic, cops need to know there is an agression before stopping it.
I've always said, the biggest flaw in EVE is the hard-set "walls". 0.5 to 0.4 is a huge mental step to take. 0.1 to 0.0 is another, but not as large. The easy fix I've proposed, have concord response be a percentage scaled to the system you are in. 1.0=100% response, 0.9=90%, and on down the line. Tear down the "Berlin Wall" separating high and low, and let people choose what level of "protection" they are willing to live with. Hell, throw some skills into it, even. Good guys can have a "fast response" skill, upping the arrival percentage, making it more risky to attack em. Bad doods can have a "evasion" skill, lowering percent chance of response. Maybe even toss in some ship, implant, and/or modules that change those percentages too. It almost fits RL police, in a way. In the nice rich neighborhoods, the 5-0 show up for any call from grandma. They ain't stopping for jaywalkers in the slums though.
I don't hate this idea and think you should actually take it to F&I. I think it bears some discussion of its own.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
TharOkha
0asis Group
756
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:35:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:TharOkha wrote: I agree. And if you read my previous posts carefully, i support the idea that hi sec slots should be significantly more expensive as those in low/null. And that sov outposts should be superior to hisec stations.
My reaction is mainly against the complains that hisec industry is much easier in logistic and haul than in null. Which cannot be changed as far as hisec is well supplied EVE trade hub.
I'm not aware of any suggestion that it should be, only that it be taken into account when the balancing calculations are made.
This thread has now 20 pages. Search more deeper.
for example post no.275 bottom sentence . |
Dave Stark
4171
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:40:00 -
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blabla4711 wrote:Dave Stark wrote: the topic; please stay on it.
What was the topic again? Ah, yes. Nerf HiSec (89%) because they dont care about my playstyle (11%) but i cry to the forums about theirs. Right on spot.
for some one who uses "crying" a lot, most of the tears seem to be yours. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
897
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:41:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:I am by no means the most knowledgeable person in game. That being said, can it be said that W-Space is as profitable as it is because they have something that no other space has? Sleeper tech? Guess where T3 production happens. Well, I think it's fairly agreed on that POS production is terrible. That's true no matter what area of space you live in. And everyone wants CCP to fix/replace POS'es somehow to make them work. That's entirely a different question from Outposts vs Highsec stations. Which the numbers say are now decent. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
509
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:42:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:I am by no means the most knowledgeable person in game. That being said, can it be said that W-Space is as profitable as it is because they have something that no other space has? Sleeper tech? Guess where T3 production happens.
High sec. And so what?
Does that mean that those living in Bobspace are risking less than those living in Null?
If the problem that you are describing affects everyone outside of HS, then where are the WH explorers bitching about their lack of reward? What does Bobspace have that Null doesn't? Or what additional risks does Null have that are not present in WH?
Can anyone point me to a thread wherein a bunch of WH people are bitching about where they have to go to produce their goods because of the impossibility of competing given the risks they take?
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9783
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:44:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:
I point you to the highlighted text in your quote. The defeatism is truly counterproductive.
I am by no means the most knowledgeable person in game. That being said, can it be said that W-Space is as profitable as it is because they have something that no other space has? Sleeper tech?
Is there any resource or technology that Null has that is not being utilized but is instead being carted up to HS, via a logistical nightmare, to be sold for ISK?
How is it that Null is banging their fists on the table and WH denizens just do their thing without a care for what is happening here? Is W-space any less of a challenge?
Moon goo and WH resources have nothing to do with what is being discussed here.
Production of ships, mods and ammo in both WH and Null cannot compete with high sec. Not only do we lack the slots needed but we also incur costs that makes it impossible to beat high sec on price. It is simply cheaper to import the finished goods from a high sec market.
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blabla4711
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:45:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:blabla4711 wrote:Dave Stark wrote: the topic; please stay on it.
What was the topic again? Ah, yes. Nerf HiSec (89%) because they dont care about my playstyle (11%) but i cry to the forums about theirs. Right on spot. for some one who uses "crying" a lot, most of the tears seem to be yours.
I thought, you wanted to stay on topic. Nice try, tough cookie. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
509
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:49:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:
I point you to the highlighted text in your quote. The defeatism is truly counterproductive.
I am by no means the most knowledgeable person in game. That being said, can it be said that W-Space is as profitable as it is because they have something that no other space has? Sleeper tech?
Is there any resource or technology that Null has that is not being utilized but is instead being carted up to HS, via a logistical nightmare, to be sold for ISK?
How is it that Null is banging their fists on the table and WH denizens just do their thing without a care for what is happening here? Is W-space any less of a challenge?
Moon goo and WH resources have nothing to do with what is being discussed here. Production of ships, mods and ammo in both WH and Null cannot compete with high sec. Not only do we lack the slots needed but we also incur costs that makes it impossible to beat high sec on price. It is simply cheaper to import the finished goods from a high sec market.
And yet I've literally seen no one from W-Space weighing in about how unfair and unbalanced this is. Why do you suppose that is?
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
Leeloo Alizee
Orion Constellation Inc.
6
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:50:00 -
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Hisec ppl will quit.. Puting to sleep 2 out of 3 acc aniway, hisec IS nerfed already. |
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