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Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2014.01.12 18:54:00 -
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blabla4711 wrote:http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/QEN/QEN_Q4-2010.pdf said 11% Nullsec. CCP wouldnt be surprised by this number i guess. They provided it.
But i admit that i forgot the low/wh numbers and just tallied up. search and replace 89 with 80%.
Read that again. It makes no mention of player population. Character population and Player population are very different.
So, again, I'd love to see where you got information on player population. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1022
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:20:00 -
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1. There just aren't that many intelligent people left in the game. 2. You seriously don't get how risk adverse some people are. 3. CCP has enough issues with bringing in new players without making making it harder. 4. You don't understand the issues that CCP faces well enough to have an opinion, so please move along...
CCP, trading shiny pictures for playability since 2003.. EvE, a cutting edge game. The only game to provide Matrix style gameplay for the masses! (trouble is, most people don't have 9 hours to waste on a one hour fight.) |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8296
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:35:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:1. There just aren't that many intelligent people left in the game. 2. You seriously don't get how risk adverse some people are. 3. CCP has enough issues with bringing in new players without making making it harder. 4. You don't understand the issues that CCP faces well enough to have an opinion, so please move along... New players wouldn't be affected by the nerfs. My EVE Videos |
Erin Crawford
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:37:00 -
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Op asks: "What would happen if CCP finally nerved hi sec?"
"...finally..."
So, was it CCP's idea to finally nerf hi sec, but they just never got around to it, or..? |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
215
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:15:00 -
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you know what would really happen if CCP nerfed highsec?
a threadnaught of epic proportions.
this monstrosity of a thread is already up to page 26 -- and it's only just asking about the POSSIBILITY.
edit: ****, somebody beat me to it a few posts above |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9785
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:20:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:you know what would really happen if CCP nerfed highsec? a threadnaught of epic proportions. this monstrosity of a thread is already up to page 26 -- and it's only just asking about the POSSIBILITY. edit: ****, somebody beat me to it a few posts above
Just wait until teircide hits T3s. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8296
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:21:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Just wait until teircide hits T3s. Sounds like you have a personal stake in the matter. My EVE Videos |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13555
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:24:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:you know what would really happen if CCP nerfed highsec? a threadnaught of epic proportions. this monstrosity of a thread is already up to page 26 -- and it's only just asking about the POSSIBILITY. edit: ****, somebody beat me to it a few posts above Just wait until teircide hits T3s.
And the all the T3s will have the ranged effectiveness of the Tengu, the EHP of the Proteus and the resists of the Legion & Loki!
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2066
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:24:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:you know what would really happen if CCP nerfed highsec? a threadnaught of epic proportions. this monstrosity of a thread is already up to page 26 -- and it's only just asking about the POSSIBILITY. edit: ****, somebody beat me to it a few posts above Just wait until teircide hits T3s. And the all the T3s will have the ranged effectiveness of the Tengu, the EHP of the Proteus and the resists of the Legion & Loki!
You forgot that they will have a new Sleeper Doomsday Weapon on each of them as standard, also. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Priestess Lin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:26:00 -
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Perhaps if players had access to more defensive tools they would take risks outside of high sec.
Too bad the original Mobile Scan Inhibitor idea got killed by the status quo before it could get out the gate. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8303
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:28:00 -
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So maybe players will take risks by not taking risks? Yeah that makes sense. My EVE Videos |
TharOkha
0asis Group
757
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Posted - 2014.01.12 22:52:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dave Stark wrote:TharOkha wrote:Hire more miners. Give them reason to live there, buy minerals from them, protect them. Then you will have plenty of minerals (with price tag and quantity as good as in hisec, even maybe better). Then you can start mass industry in null. I'm going to wager, if you did the maths, it'd be cheaper to import from high sec than to bother protecting miners who contribute nothing but mineral sell orders. Protecting them isn't an issue. Its the fact that the industry part would still work out as more expensive than just importing directly from Jita.
May i ask why?
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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
1115
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Posted - 2014.01.12 23:26:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:So maybe players will take risks by not taking risks? Yeah that makes sense.
Oh you people will be bitching about risk versus reward until they shut down the servers.
Then you will realize all this arguing was wasted time. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8303
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Posted - 2014.01.12 23:28:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:So maybe players will take risks by not taking risks? Yeah that makes sense. Oh you people will be bitching about risk versus reward until they shut down the servers. Then you will realize all this arguing was wasted time. This is ALL wasted time. But it's my time to waste. My EVE Videos |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4285
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Posted - 2014.01.12 23:50:00 -
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Priestess Lin wrote:Perhaps if players had access to more defensive tools they would take risks outside of high sec.
Too bad the original Mobile Scan Inhibitor idea got killed by the status quo before it could get out the gate.
More defensive tools? Like
-Warp Core Sabailizers -Ships with built in Warp Core Stabalizers -Ships that can ignore bubbles (properly fit T3s and ANY interceptor) -Micro jumpdrives (which let you jump out of bubbles and blink yourself 100km from trouble) -ECM -ECM Drones -ECM Bursts -Cloaks -Cloaks coupled with Microwarpdrives -Covert Cloaks with or without Microwarpdrives -Microwarpdrives with or without cloaks (nice for getting back to a gate in a small ship) -Target Spectrum Breakers -Energy Neutralizers -Mobile Depots (which allow you to swap defensive equipment in and out on a whim)
And whatever else I forgot. EVE has more than enough tools, just some people don't want to use them. |
ZynnLee Akkori
Perkone Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2014.01.12 23:52:00 -
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Diamond Zerg wrote:
Edit:
Hold on a minute guys, I'm getting a lot of replies about how the hisec PvE population will quit.
To me, this doesn't make much sense. There are many other games with a much more focused, sophisticated PVE experience.
Why would many PvE gamers play a game that doesn't have much PvE content?
It has lots of PvE content, and the large number of people who don't like stabbed-in-the-back gaming where you can get killed at any time will quit. I know it's in fashion on these boards to ridicule 'carebears', but this game would be a pale shadow of itself if our game style is make un-fun and we leave. Kinda hard to gank people if the only people left are those looking for a fight......
And yes, there are other games with better PvE content, but none of them have the sandbox, sci-fi, single shard atmosphere Eve has. |
Pipa Porto
1530
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Posted - 2014.01.12 23:58:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:May i ask why?
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4287
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Posted - 2014.01.13 00:15:00 -
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ZynnLee Akkori wrote: It has lots of PvE content, and the large number of people who don't like stabbed-in-the-back gaming where you can get killed at any time will quit.
That's just the feel good fallacy high sec people want to cling to to justify (to themselves) their beliefs. It's just not true.
They are already playing the KING of 'stabbed-in-the-back gaming' despite it's poor pve and despite how others games are WAY better at pve. Star Trek Online's pve is so shockingly better than EVE's it isn't even funny (and remember, STO was supposed to kill EVE lol).
This is simply a case of the 'carebears' not understanding themselves. They think they want to be left alone to carebear in peace yet they refuse to play the games the enforce that while choosing to play a game that calls "griefing" style game play "working as intended" gameplay. The bears would complain if you did anything to high sec, but they would not leave. The didn't leave when the game was truly dangerous before safeties and crimewatch... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8303
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Posted - 2014.01.13 00:24:00 -
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ZynnLee Akkori wrote:but none of them have the sandbox, sci-fi, single shard atmosphere Eve has. So you're saying this is the aspect you like about EVE, yet it's the aspect you're asking them to remove. Not that we didn't know this before, but it bears repeating: you're a moron. My EVE Videos |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
524
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Posted - 2014.01.13 00:29:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:ZynnLee Akkori wrote:but none of them have the sandbox, sci-fi, single shard atmosphere Eve has. So you're saying this is the aspect you like about EVE, yet it's the aspect you're asking them to remove. Not that we didn't know this before, but it bears repeating: you're a moron.
There's nothing to be gained by calling people morons, James.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
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Lady Katherine Devonshire
Viziam Amarr Empire
204
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Posted - 2014.01.13 00:32:00 -
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Diamond Zerg wrote:My prediction: Suddenly EVE becomes much more fun, and a better game in general.
... for you, during the one month before the game dies completely.
Diamond Zerg wrote:Bots are no longer worthwhile as they make easy targets for PvPers.
Nullsec is already dominated by bot-mining. Thus your theory has already been disproven.
Diamond Zerg wrote:The EVE economy becomes dominated by intelligent humans, not machines or "bot aspirant" grinders.
See above.
Diamond Zerg wrote:Hold on a minute guys, I'm getting a lot of replies about how the hisec PvE population will quit.
Why would many PvE gamers play a game that doesn't have much PvE content?
They would not. See my first comment.
The sound of the Amarrian heart |
ZynnLee Akkori
Perkone Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2014.01.13 00:34:00 -
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James, you are so silly. Can't seem to have a civil discourse?
I didn't like STO very much. I had/have hopes for it, but we'll see. There is no doubt that for me Eve is the king of the sci-fi MMO's. Like everything in life, I dislike some parts, and like other parts. As much as the intolerant around here want to believe Eve is all about the PvP, there exists a fairly fun PvE game that I (and many others) enjoy.
Nerfing highsec will simply drive me away. And as happy as the ego-maniacs may be to see me and other highsec carebears exit stage right, the game would become drastically different really quickly. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
524
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Posted - 2014.01.13 00:37:00 -
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Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:Diamond Zerg wrote:My prediction: Suddenly EVE becomes much more fun, and a better game in general. ... for you, during the one month before the game dies completely. Diamond Zerg wrote:Bots are no longer worthwhile as they make easy targets for PvPers. Nullsec is already dominated by bot-mining. Thus your theory has already been disproven. Diamond Zerg wrote:The EVE economy becomes dominated by intelligent humans, not machines or "bot aspirant" grinders. See above. Diamond Zerg wrote:Hold on a minute guys, I'm getting a lot of replies about how the hisec PvE population will quit.
Why would many PvE gamers play a game that doesn't have much PvE content? They would not. See my first comment.
It's like that split second right before you witness the train wreck. You should have read the rest of the thread before posting this.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
144
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Posted - 2014.01.13 00:48:00 -
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TBH a good percentage of casual players who prefer to carebear eventually leave after 6 months to a year anyway.
They have certain goals such as make X amount of ISK or get to fly ship Y (typically plex my account for free and fly an orca) and once that is achieved their interest fades as even more ISK is not particularly a challenge and skilling up for ever more shiney ships gets old.
However forcing them to PvP is not likely to encourage more than the occasional person to stay longer.
Most of these people will not or do not enjoy PvP. Some, I can think of examples in my mains corp for example, are surprisingly successful at PvP when they bother (such as during war decs) but just do not find it fun. Either because the EVE rubber-duck-toy-navy-mechanics does not do it for them or simply because they are a personality type adverse to PvP and confrontation in any form, full stop.
More importantly, even though most of these guys will leave eventually I am not sure how forcing them to leave earlier helps the game. |
ZynnLee Akkori
Perkone Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2014.01.13 00:56:00 -
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I love PvP, just not forced. I get my fix in FPS. That being said, I am waiting out the damn skill schedule so I can fit some tier II modules. Once I can fit properly, I'll be putting someone into a 'general' corp that does some PvP. Prolly won't be this toon though. I want to experience more Eve PvP on a character designed to do it. No industry, mining, or research skills.... just pvp. When I don't feel like pvp in Eve, I log in a different toon.
This is why highsec is so valuable to me (and I can't help but think a lot of other highsec players feel similarly). I have better control of when I find myself in PvP. And generally speaking, better survivability. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8303
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Posted - 2014.01.13 01:05:00 -
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Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:Nullsec is already dominated by bot-mining. Thus your theory has already been disproven. Your claim has already been disproven. My EVE Videos |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8303
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Posted - 2014.01.13 01:06:00 -
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ZynnLee Akkori wrote:Can't seem to have a civil discourse? Can't you have an intelligent one? My EVE Videos |
ZynnLee Akkori
Perkone Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2014.01.13 01:15:00 -
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Apparently not to you, but that doesn't really mean anything. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
524
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Posted - 2014.01.13 01:20:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:TBH a good percentage of casual players who prefer to carebear eventually leave after 6 months to a year anyway.
Carebear - Since June of 2008 - took maybe a total of 2 years off. But I don't deny that I may be in the minority.
Hasikan Miallok wrote:They have certain goals such as make X amount of ISK or get to fly ship Y (typically plex my account for free and fly an orca) and once that is achieved their interest fades as even more ISK is not particularly a challenge and skilling up for ever more shiney ships gets old.
While I can spend a whole weekend farming L4s, occasionally I strap myself into a Merlin and steamroll L1s. I think tomorrow I might have a go at L2s in that Merlin - just for fun. I don't play for a goal to get into X. I play for fun. Also it was recently pointed out to me that I may have mild OCD so I MUST get those skills to V!
Hasikan Miallok wrote:However forcing them to PvP is not likely to encourage more than the occasional person to stay longer.
I think that there may have been a post in this thread that indicated that CCP research showed that players who do a little bit of everything tend to stay in the game. I did try PvP. It was okay but not want I want to do every time I'm logged on.
Hasikan Miallok wrote:Most of these people will not or do not enjoy PvP. Some, I can think of examples in my mains corp for example, are surprisingly successful at PvP when they bother (such as during war decs) but just do not find it fun. Either because the EVE rubber-duck-toy-navy-mechanics does not do it for them or simply because they are a personality type adverse to PvP and confrontation in any form, full stop.
I thought about this a lot today actually. A friend challenged my style of play but also asked me honest questions about it so she could get a better understanding - a kind of "Examining Carebears in the Wild" documentary type thing.
I think there are some who do NOT see their ship as a disposable asset. I bought a Golem less than a month ago (after Pyfa-warrioring it for two days and testing the fit on Singularity). Since then I've made enough in running missions to recover the cost of the Golem and the fittings (T2 only because anything more than that is a waste of ISK and a beacon to the PvP Enthusiast). Anyway, it was an investment, has had a pretty decent rate of return, and if it gets exploded I'm okay with that. Make sense?
Now the guy who finally has enough to buy his Raven. He can finally feel big and awesome and do L4 missions and it is so shiny and cool! And he loses it on that first day (because the little drones got on top of him and scrammed him in the very first L4 he tried to solo - but I'm Caldari what are drones?) ... I feel for that guy. He got no return on his investment. But that is what this game is about. "It sucks that you got blown up but always remember this. You started this game with 5,000 ISK and somehow you made it this far". "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
664
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Posted - 2014.01.13 01:38:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:TBH a good percentage of casual players who prefer to carebear eventually leave after 6 months to a year anyway. Not sure I agree with this. The most recent CSM meeting minutes seem to imply otherwise:
"Those [players] that follow the PvE/Builder path retain at a higher rate. Players who go from Novice to Aggressor (pure PvP) tend to filter out of the game." |
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