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Felsusguy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.10 16:03:00 -
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Gallente-Caldari Relations have always been tense, but recently it would seem that the hostility between the Gallente and the Caldari has been easing up. Is this a sign of things to come in the future? Perhaps one day the people of the Federation and the people of the State will no longer view the other as enemies, but rather as technological and economic rivals, both racing towards the future to the benefit of all humanity. It's an optimistic view, but I for one would like to see the animosity between the Caldari and the Gallente dissipate.
What are your thoughts on Gallente-Caldari relations? Do you think they will improve, and do you want to see them improve? If not, for what reasons? Here's to a completely civil discussion. Cheers! How droll. |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
343
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Posted - 2014.01.10 16:14:00 -
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To soon to tell. N'maro Makari Executive Officer The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
Felsusguy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
325
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Posted - 2014.01.10 16:17:00 -
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N'maro Makari wrote:To soon to tell. While it is true that it's too early to say definitively (it almost always is), speculating on the matter won't hurt. How droll. |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
81
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Posted - 2014.01.10 16:28:00 -
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Calm before the storm Maby. If it starts looking too much like peace a politician somewere will see fit to fix it, I'm sure. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1357
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Posted - 2014.01.10 16:44:00 -
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I'm sure Ishukone will do their utmost to improve their own relationship with the Federation. |
Felsusguy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
325
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Posted - 2014.01.10 17:18:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:I'm sure Ishukone will do their utmost to improve their own relationship with the Federation. First half of that sentence was encouraging. Second half, not so much. How droll. |
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
744
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Posted - 2014.01.10 17:40:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:Gallente-Caldari Relations have always been tense, but recently it would seem that the hostility between the Gallente and the Caldari has been easing up. Is this a sign of things to come in the future? Perhaps one day the people of the Federation and the people of the State will no longer view the other as enemies, but rather as technological and economic rivals, both racing towards the future to the benefit of all humanity. It's an optimistic view, but I for one would like to see the animosity between the Caldari and the Gallente dissipate.
What are your thoughts on Gallente-Caldari relations? Do you think they will improve, and do you want to see them improve? If not, for what reasons? Here's to a completely civil discussion. Cheers!
It's all a matter of time. People are drawn inexorably together into larger and larger groups, so over hundreds or thousands of years, the cluster will grow politically smaller and more interconnected. The conflicts of today will be distant memories. Eventually we'll move towards some form of peace.
I'm always optimistic, but it's not easy to say we'll see it within our lifetimes. As Claudia pointed out, there are a great many people who have a vested interest in ongoing limited conflicts. It gives them a ready-made threat to point at when internal matters start becoming harder to ignore. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3144
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:05:00 -
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There's still a great deal of negative sentiment popularly, but with the resolution of the issue of Caldari Prime, the truth is that one of the major points of contention between the Federation and the State has been resolved.
That's got to have a thawing effect in the long-term. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1357
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:29:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:I'm sure Ishukone will do their utmost to improve their own relationship with the Federation. First half of that sentence was encouraging. Second half, not so much.
I fail to see how you cannot be encouraged by the prospect of a potential Ishukone-Federal relationship in the future? |
Felsusguy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
325
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:33:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Felsusguy wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:I'm sure Ishukone will do their utmost to improve their own relationship with the Federation. First half of that sentence was encouraging. Second half, not so much. I fail to see how you cannot be encouraged by the prospect of a potential Ishukone-Federal relationship in the future? The way you put it makes it sound like Ishukone is attempting to curry favor with the Federation for their own purposes rather than for the good of the State. If you didn't mean for it to sound that way, I apologize, but it just seems like it. How droll. |
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1357
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:38:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote: The way you put it makes it sound like Ishukone is attempting to curry favor with the Federation for their own purposes rather than for the good of the State. If you didn't mean for it to sound that way, I apologize, but it just seems like it.
I have no idea where you could have possibly come up with such a notion.
I'm appalled, really, I truly am.
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
4219
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:43:00 -
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You suck at sarcasm.
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Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
206
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:59:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:I'm sure Ishukone will do their utmost to improve their own relationship with the Federation.
*Can be seen eating a rather luxurious meal at a diner overlooking a scenic spot in some magnificent Gallente city. Beautiful, energetic Gallente women serve and cater to the needs of the customers while popular Gallente music provides some atmosphere for the place.*
I'm sorry, what about Ishukone and the Federation? |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
5699
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Posted - 2014.01.10 20:44:00 -
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Felsusguy; I can only imagine that relations will continue to be frosty for the foreseeable future. Still, the proxy war is just that, and I would be surprised if the major players in their respective nations aren't proceeding with business as normal. Material Acquisitions and Quafe continue to operate in State space, and I wouldn't be surprised if even CreoDron continues to market commercial drone products where they're able to make inroads.
Ms. Gesaakarin; are you saying that Kaalakiota isn't in these lucrative markets? Fascinating. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3144
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Posted - 2014.01.10 20:47:00 -
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Korsavius wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:I'm sure Ishukone will do their utmost to improve their own relationship with the Federation. *Can be seen eating a rather luxurious meal at a diner overlooking a scenic spot in some magnificent Gallente city. Beautiful, energetic Gallente women serve and cater to the needs of the customers while popular Gallente music provides some atmosphere for the place.*I'm sorry, what about Ishukone and the Federation?
She'd explain, but we're up to our necks in blood and muck here at the front. kirjuun
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1360
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Posted - 2014.01.10 21:27:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:
Ms. Gesaakarin; are you saying that Kaalakiota isn't in these lucrative markets? Fascinating.
I'm not in a position to say; but I am glad that at least Chief Executive Oiritsuu has the pride and spine not to be reduced to tears and begging upon her knees to a foreign government in order to enter a market - regardless of how lucrative it may or may not be.
Then again it's probably not the first, nor the last time Kaalakiota has placed pride before profit so its citizens have the dignity of knowing they do their business on their feet and not on their backs like a cheap Dissoc. prostitute.
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
5699
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Posted - 2014.01.10 21:48:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
I'm not in a position to say; but I am glad that at least Chief Executive Oiritsuu has the pride and spine not to be reduced to tears and begging upon her knees to a foreign government in order to enter a market - regardless of how lucrative it may or may not be.
Then again it's probably not the first, nor the last time Kaalakiota has placed pride before profit so its citizens have the dignity of knowing they do their business on their feet and not on their backs like a cheap Dissoc. prostitute.
Oh, Maker! That's rich. Baha. Thank you, Gesakaarin! I was wondering how I'd find some light dinner entertainment. You do deliver, as they say.
But as you seem to not know, given your tirade about prostitutes and pride and all that, Kaalakiota-Okusaika-does-maintain-Federation-facilities. Indeed, these facilities are in secure Federation territory, meaning that in all likelihood Kaalakiota likely pays taxes and thus funds the Federation military. Rich, isn't it? And these aren't necessarily facilities in lockdown, with skeleton crews. No, as you'd expect, it's business-as-normal for Kaalakiota. I could carry on.
In any case, please continue with your fanciful efforts to goad us and paint Ishukone Okusaika as the traitorous outsiders. It's hilarious. Honestly. Have you ever tried comedy?
(edit; apologies for formatting. This Galnet software evidently has difficulty parsing links in succession, and standard Galnet software tags for inserted spaces aren't working.) Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs |
Jace Sarice
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre ZT-07K Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
24
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Posted - 2014.01.10 21:55:00 -
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Don't mistake quiet for peace. Lack of events that instigate hostilities does not mean those hostilities are not continuing to exist under the surface. It will take contentious events to observe whether relations are actually improving. It is not likely. |
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
206
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Posted - 2014.01.10 22:33:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:She'd explain, but we're up to our necks in blood and muck here at the front. kirjuun
Relax, Tuulinen-haan. I was simply...how does one say, poking fun at a sarcastic, misguided response with another sarcastic, misguided response.
Rest assured that the men and women under my command pay just as much blood as yours or any other organization involved in that awful mess of a proxy-war. They pay their blood, however, to fight a different kind of enemy, rather than a mere mirror of themselves.
As for the topic at hand, I would certainly like to think that Caldari-Gallente relations are improving. As some of the comments above are quite good evidence for, there still is a long road that needs to be traversed by Caldari (and Gallente) until the day comes that this proxy-war ceases to exist, and the two of our peoples can co-exist in relative harmony. I look forward for that day. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2889
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Posted - 2014.01.10 23:52:00 -
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Relax, kirjuun.
Gesakaarin-haani is merely trolling for a reaction, as usual. To some extent, she did elicit some entertaining replies!
That said, it's all just idle jabs and snipes on a forum seemingly designed for such. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
5700
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Posted - 2014.01.11 01:12:00 -
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Oh, I certainly understand, Oniseki-Charantes-haani. Her baiting is as transparent as it is hilarious. Consider me both relaxed and entertained. I'll admit I had another line I wanted to use, but, ah, business calls, and business before pleasure. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1360
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Posted - 2014.01.11 03:21:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:But as you seem to not know, given your tirade about prostitutes and pride and all that, Kaalakiota- Okusaika- does- maintain- Federation- facilities. Indeed, these facilities are in secure Federation territory, meaning that in all likelihood Kaalakiota likely pays taxes and thus funds the Federation military. Rich, isn't it? And these aren't necessarily facilities in lockdown, with skeleton crews. No, as you'd expect, it's business- as- normal for Kaalakiota. I could carry on. In any case, please continue with your fanciful efforts to goad us and paint Ishukone Okusaika as the traitorous outsiders. It's hilarious. Honestly. Have you ever tried comedy?
If you can find corporate tax returns paid to the Federal government by Kaalakiota corporation and not to the Secure Commerce Commission which ostensibly regulates interstellar trade, and which the space-borne assets you have graciously referenced would fall under the jurisdiction of, then by all means please provide them. The same interstellar treaty under CONCORD and the SCC that safeguards space-borne assets of Kaalakiota and other State companies in the Federation likewise safeguards the space-borne assets of Federal companies such as CreoDron and Poteque in the State.
You appear to be under the misconception that the conduct of trade and business in the Federation constitutes becoming a, "Traitorous outsider," as you put it when it is not the case for a Caldari company should retain the prerogative of conducting their own business and affairs as they see fit. How Ishukone conducts their business is their own, but it does not change the fact that it was Ishukone under Reppola-haan that wept and begged before the Federal Senate and in so doing gained the dubious distinction of being perhaps the very first Caldari leader in the State to have dropped to his knees before a foreign government power.
If you believe such a shameful display of capitulation before jaiiji is acceptable and carries with it no burden of dishonour then perhaps the corporate culture of Ishukone has changed drastically from the days of honoured Gariushi-haan who at least understood the concept of compromise with strength - not weakness. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2889
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Posted - 2014.01.11 03:35:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:[quote=Makoto Priano] If you believe such a shameful display of capitulation before jaiiji is acceptable and carries with it no burden of dishonour then perhaps the corporate culture of Ishukone has changed drastically from the days of honoured Gariushi-haan who at least understood the concept of compromise with strength - not weakness.
Reppola-haan is no comparison. Nobody argues that fact. We'd all love to have back our dear Otro Gariushi-haan, just as you regained your dear Oiritsuu-haani, but we cannot. Nonetheless, he stood for something that we have refused to allow to die with him. Among other things, he stood for peace between the Federation and State. It was Heth who used our grief and rage to start a war, and Reppola has done his best to follow Gariushi's example and stay the hell out of it.
We follow our CEO just as loyally as we are expected to. We follow his policies, we back his decisions, and we will continue to do so until such time as he is no longer the CEO of Ishukone Okusaika. You are welcome to speak your criticisms of him, just as we did of your former CEO Tibus Heth.
Speaking of Heth... you weren't terribly keen on his policies either, were you? Well then perhaps you can understand why we grit our teeth and continue on, despite not totally agreeing with everything the management does.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
744
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Posted - 2014.01.11 03:51:00 -
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So in response to the original post, while Federation and Caldari relations may be quieting somewhat, Caldari and Caldari relations are not. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2889
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Posted - 2014.01.11 04:03:00 -
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Nonsense, this is normal!
It's healthy. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
398
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Posted - 2014.01.11 04:17:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Felsusguy wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:I'm sure Ishukone will do their utmost to improve their own relationship with the Federation. First half of that sentence was encouraging. Second half, not so much. I fail to see how you cannot be encouraged by the prospect of a potential Ishukone-Federal relationship in the future? The way you put it makes it sound like Ishukone is attempting to curry favor with the Federation for their own purposes rather than for the good of the State. If you didn't mean for it to sound that way, I apologize, but it just seems like it.
Improving relationships with the Federation would open markets for Ishukone I would assume. With further assumption this would allow Ishukone to generate more revenues which would not only benefit them but their standings in the Caldari State.
So my conclusion would be a win / win situation for both Ishukone and the Caldari state. |
Jace Sarice
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre ZT-07K Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
24
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Posted - 2014.01.11 05:24:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote: Improving relationships with the Federation would open markets for Ishukone I would assume. With further assumption this would allow Ishukone to generate more revenues which would not only benefit them but their standings in the Caldari State.
So my conclusion would be a win / win situation for both Ishukone and the Caldari state.
To assume that opening markets is the only consideration of importance to the State and thus creating a de facto "win/win situation" is not helpful to the relationships you seem to want improved. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
5700
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Posted - 2014.01.11 07:29:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
If you can find corporate tax returns paid to the Federal government by Kaalakiota corporation and not to the Secure Commerce Commission which ostensibly regulates interstellar trade, and which the space-borne assets you have graciously referenced would fall under the jurisdiction of, then by all means please provide them. The same interstellar treaty under CONCORD and the SCC that safeguards space-borne assets of Kaalakiota and other State companies in the Federation likewise safeguards the space-borne assets of Federal companies such as CreoDron and Poteque in the State.
You appear to be under the misconception that the conduct of trade and business in the Federation constitutes becoming a, "Traitorous outsider," as you put it when it is not the case for a Caldari company should retain the prerogative of conducting their own business and affairs as they see fit. How Ishukone conducts their business is their own, but it does not change the fact that it was Ishukone under Reppola-haan that wept and begged before the Federal Senate and in so doing gained the dubious distinction of being perhaps the very first Caldari leader in the State to have dropped to his knees before a foreign government power.
If you believe such a shameful display of capitulation before jaiiji is acceptable and carries with it no burden of dishonour then perhaps the corporate culture of Ishukone has changed drastically from the days of honoured Gariushi-haan who at least understood the concept of compromise with strength - not weakness.
And, this, Gesakaarin, is why Ishukone manages the majority of Caldari Prime, and you are, as Tuulinen put it, in the muck and the blood.
Have fun with that. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2891
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Posted - 2014.01.11 07:59:00 -
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That's quite enough, Priano-haani.
The Ishukone management of Caldari sectors on Caldari Prime is not some political victory to be thrown in the faces of our bretheren. It is a service to the Caldari people. It is for the good of our nation, not Ishukone. We dealt with the Federation at great cost. Notice how our brothers and sisters sneer and snicker at us for it. We are considered traitors for it, despite that all Caldari can live freely on Caldari Prime again. We do this because somebody had to, because diplomacy without the point of a gun is a forgotten art.
As for the "stuck in the muck and blood" comment, I would like to apologize to the members of Pyre Falcon on behalf of my colleague. What she said was out of line, and does not reflect the opinions of Ishuk-Raata. We respect the work Pyre Falcon does in the warzone, and consider them a shining example of what Kaalakiota is capable of. Their stunning diplomatic acumen, impressive combat record far surpassing our own, and unparallaled ethical and moral considerations should be considered a model for all Caldari. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
152
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Posted - 2014.01.11 09:49:00 -
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Since I doubt anyone else will say it...
Not all of us here at Kaalakiota have our heads so far up our own *** that we can't see the sacrifice made by Ishukone in order to bring Home back under our dominion. It takes backbone to make a choice knowing that you'll be a pariah because of it, yet doing so for the sake of something greater.
Frankly, the constant stream of accusation is nothing more than a cover for inadequacy. Reppola-haan swallowed his pride and did what he had to, while others spew their bile from the sidelines with all the grace, tact, and intellect of a drunken guttersnipe. It's not even competition taking place in these disgusting accusations, it's the simpering of a child that didn't get their chocolate milk at lunch like they wanted, trying to make someone else miserable so they feel a little better about themselves.
Heiian, indeed. And since when was Kaalakiota any different in it's pursuit of profit? I've sure as hell never seen this corporation turn down ANY advantage, weather it worked for the State or not, to get ahead ("Whats good for Kaalakiota is good for the State.", someone told me in a conversation once... Going to go back on that now?). Whining about someone else doing the same is just pathetic.
Oh, and lest we forget...
Which corporation was it that was all but forced to sell off one of it's major subsidiaries to cover the financial stupidity of a CEO who thought of nothing but buckets of "Enemy Blood"?...
Kaalakiota. |
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