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Jace Sarice
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
32
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:23:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:And it was won at the cost of scarring it, too. There's a profound metaphor there, for the difficulty of growth and moving on.
Once you have left, Home will never again be quite the same thing as it was.
Some of us see it as a reminder, not as a sign of moving on. Trust your veins. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3193
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:24:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:And it was won at the cost of scarring it, too. There's a profound metaphor there, for the difficulty of growth and moving on.
Once you have left, Home will never again be quite the same thing as it was.
Even knowing the price I feel better that our connection with Home has been restored. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3046
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:32:00 -
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Well, on that vein, it occurs to me to think that - as accurate as everything is that my friend Scherezad has said about the world that shaped us - those generations spent away from Home can't help but have changed us. We've built cities on and orbiting alien worlds, we've listened to the winds of suns and stars. Not cool, red, distant Luminaire, but warm mainline yellows like New Caldari, and fiery blue O-types like Jita.
Jita alone. THE market hub for the whole of civilised space. One naval station orbiting a ruddy brown moon around a quiet gas world in a system awash with the violence of an O-type blue giant. Heat and life, surplus and excess.
Lone madmen in supercarriers have shaken us, lone madmen in MTACs have inspired us, while the quiet and the sane worked in the background, keeping us afloat, reining in our excesses and guiding our energies in productive rather than impulsive ways.
Haajakin Talen -- we returned. And we are not who we were when we left. The word "Caldari" means something different now to what it used. We built all of that with only the idea of Home.
Having returned... I wonder what our new driving goal will be? Where do you go after attaining your life's work? An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Jace Sarice
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
32
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:40:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Well, on that vein, it occurs to me to think that - as accurate as everything is that my friend Scherezad has said about the world that shaped us - those generations spent away from Home can't help but have changed us. We've built cities on and orbiting alien worlds, we've listened to the winds of suns and stars. Not cool, red, distant Luminaire, but warm mainline yellows like New Caldari, and fiery blue O-types like Jita.
Jita alone. THE market hub for the whole of civilised space. One naval station orbiting a ruddy brown moon around a cinder of a magma planet in a system awash with the violence of an O-type blue giant. Heat and life, surplus and excess.
Lone madmen in supercarriers have shaken us, lone madmen in MTACs have inspired us, while the quiet and the sane worked in the background, keeping us afloat, reining in our excesses and guiding our energies in productive rather than impulsive ways.
Haajakin Talen -- we returned. And we are not who we were when we left. The word "Caldari" means something different now to what it used. We built all of that with only the idea of Home.
Having returned... I wonder what our new driving goal will be? Where do you go after attaining your life's work?
Cold Wind blows far beyond Home. If you feel that you are no longer what it means to be Caldari, I would suggest you spend time examining within yourself for a while and see what has caused this.
And we are not finished. Trust your veins. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3047
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:48:00 -
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Now that's not what I said at all. In fact I don't see how you could possibly have taken that idea from what I wrote. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
1603
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Posted - 2014.01.24 17:01:00 -
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Culture changes, and that's not a bad thing. We aren't the Raata, and Heth-haan was wrong to try to revive the Empire in us. Those people are the ghosts that followed us here, they aren't us anymore. Just as we'll be ghosts for our descendants, too. Hopefully we'll give them good guidance.
As for what to do now? The same thing we always have, I think. Prepare for the next winter, and watch the horizon for sails. Perhaps do a little gambling and dancing in the spaces between. You say we've changed, but I don't think we've really changed all that much. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3193
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Posted - 2014.01.24 17:09:00 -
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Thinking back to the words of Msr Sygarius, our situation really hasn't changed much in the last handful of centuries, has it?
The stars are every bit as hostile as the snows ever were. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3047
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Posted - 2014.01.24 17:10:00 -
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Not much, no. But enough to be worth thinking about. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3193
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Posted - 2014.01.24 17:36:00 -
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Too much thinking is bad for you Hakatain-haan - especially when you can't peer-norm your new insights. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3047
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Posted - 2014.01.24 17:52:00 -
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There are worse fates than being lost in thought. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3193
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:00:00 -
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There are worse fates than everything except the worst fate. Some of those fates are also not great. |
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
813
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:08:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:Thank you all, you're far too kind.
To touch a little on your replies, maybe I should be more straightforward. Hakatain-haan is right, it's not a religious thing that ties us to the homeworld. It's cultural. Even those of us who think we shouldn't return do so because of how cold winds shaped us - that's the pragmatism of hard winters speaking, not a new spaceborn political ideology.
I should also note that while our cultures' deep link to Caldari is unique in the Cluster, this doesn't make us special. Father, your culture has brought you different things that you feel as deeply as we. I can't fathom the ways that hot sands and broad fields of wheat might have moulded you, but they're just as important.
Think of those things that define the word 'home' to you; consider the ways that the places and travels of your cultures birth still impress themselves on your people. Then you will be closer to understanding how the winds can move between the stars, and why we would sacrifice so much to win our homeworld back.
I don't mean to derail the topic at hand so much; this sort of reflection between Caldari is what helps us all to understand the Caldari mindset. I did want to respond to this somewhat.
I suppose it's a bit different being an Amarrian as we're not necessarily a people defined by race or boundaries. "Home" to me was a broad floodplain halfway around the planet from the island where our original predecessors accepted the mandate of God. It's not the same to all other Amarrians, indeed, not all who share my faith came from the same planet. There is a bit of Udorian in me, some Ni-kunni, some recent Matari mixed into the largely Amarrian stock, so the concept of "home" in a spiritual sense doesn't mean anything.
I say that because the Amarrian people don't reference back to a historical location, but a very clear present connection. The faith is a living thing, and somewhat hard to describe to people who have not felt it before. It's a strange sensation, to feel it sort of pull you not in any general direction, but somehow outward the way a lens can collapse a view into a smaller space. It's a feeling that, no matter where I am, connects me to everyone else that shares it. You can almost feel all the rest of the faith's parish, the way you can't always see your leg but you know that it is there.
I suppose that's one reason I enjoy travel so much; home isn't a place I leave. Home is a place I take with me, and a place I make every time someone joins us in the faith. It's a vast house built of faithful souls, a place you can take a sort of refuge in when life seems difficult. Out there, somewhere, you can feel everyone else comforting you, understanding your dilemmas and providing you warmth.
It has a word in Amarrian, but I don't think there is a direct translation into any other language. It is the feeling of one-ness, of togetherness, of being a part of something that doesn't follow the boundaries of physics the way time and space do. It's a strange feeling of never actually having gone anywhere because you never actually leave anything behind, it turns distance and hardship into illusions you can suddenly see through, like a mirage on those sands you mentioned.
I often call it the Golden House since it translates better through one of my old stories and I don't want to lose any of my potential converts by tossing some of our more arcane Amarrian at them. It really isn't something that exists in any other culture. There is something similar sometimes, but not quite the same. The feeling where you can reach out and seem to feel every member of your faith, and through them all can almost feel the warmth of the divine, beckoning from beyond the cold, opening to a place beyond sensation.
That's home, and I'm never far away from it. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
1605
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:09:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:There are worse fates than everything except the worst fate. Some of those fates are also not great. I, uh. Ow.
I think that the peer review process is a good thing! |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3193
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:10:00 -
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That's a very interesting explanation Father. Now imagine someone took that from you - what would you not do to get it back? And the people who took it? What would you NOT do, in your striving against them? |
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
813
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:21:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:That's a very interesting explanation Father. Now imagine someone took that from you - what would you not do to get it back? And the people who took it? What would you NOT do, in your striving against them?
It's a hard question to answer. It's not something that can be taken away, it's something you have to give away. Like I said, the concept of a cultural identity that can be taken doesn't have a parallel in the Amarrian faith. In the long life of the universe, all our planets will eventually be consumed by their suns, everything that was on them will decay and fall apart. The most high does not dwell in the temples built by the hands of man.
I can understand the reason you might want the planet under your control; it's a valuable part of your heritage. If I was to say I could relate to it, though, I don't think I could honestly do that. Faith, and the Golden House, is not within the grasp of human hands. It's simply not something anyone can take away from you, which is a bit why I asked the question in the first place. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Utsukushi Shi
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
15
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:24:00 -
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I was born in Saisio not Luminaire.
I was born in the tropics where no cold wind blows.
To be quite honest I could not care less about the fate of Caldari Prime.
But my kirjuun do. So I stand with them. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
4273
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Posted - 2014.01.24 19:30:00 -
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So relating to the OP....was the question ever answered or...?
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Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
85
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Posted - 2014.01.24 19:42:00 -
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Anslo wrote:So relating to the OP....was the question ever answered or...? We found, I believe, that the question has no answer. Or it's still in debate, at least. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3193
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Posted - 2014.01.24 19:43:00 -
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I believe that the consensus thus far is that with the question of Caldari Prime settled in at least the short-term, the immediacy of the conflict is lessening, but given the prejudices of some individuals on both sides of the divide and the continuation of the CEWPA war, relations are likely to remain problematic. |
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
815
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Posted - 2014.01.24 19:55:00 -
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Anslo wrote:So relating to the OP....was the question ever answered or...?
The short answer is yes, but there's a long way to go yet. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
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Ailer Stane
Reclamation Technologies
31
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Posted - 2014.01.24 23:15:00 -
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I fear knowing the mood within the Federation that what will be heard from this informative exchange is Mr. SariceGÇÖs assertion.
Jace Sarice wrote:And we are not finished. What we say matters, what we don't say often matters more. It troubles me that the Gallente voices, even the angry ones have grown silent.
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Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
87
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Posted - 2014.01.24 23:24:00 -
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Ailer Stane wrote:I fear knowing the mood within the Federation that what will be heard from this informative exchange is Mr. SariceGÇÖs assertion. Jace Sarice wrote:And we are not finished. What we say matters, what we don't say often matters more. It troubles me that the Gallente voices, even the angry ones have grown silent. lots of voices from all corners of the galaxy have gone silent. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1383
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Posted - 2014.01.24 23:32:00 -
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Ailer Stane wrote: It troubles me that the Gallente voices, even the angry ones have grown silent.
Ishukone remains vocal enough that it should placate your troubled heart.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3193
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:22:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Ailer Stane wrote: It troubles me that the Gallente voices, even the angry ones have grown silent.
Ishukone remains vocal enough that it should placate your troubled heart.
Ojabuun, that is classic you. Do you want inter-corporate bad feeling? Because that is how you get inter-corporate bad feeling. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1383
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:32:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Ojabuun, that is classic you. Do you want inter-corporate bad feeling? Because that is how you get inter-corporate bad feeling.
A life lived without enemies is a life not lived at all; and I intend to live my own life to the fullest.
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Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
156
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Posted - 2014.01.25 01:28:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Ailer Stane wrote: It troubles me that the Gallente voices, even the angry ones have grown silent.
Ishukone remains vocal enough that it should placate your troubled heart. Ojabuun, that is classic you. Do you want inter-corporate bad feeling? Because that is how you get inter-corporate bad feeling. I wouldn't worry about it. Most everyone I know that could be counted as enemies have simply expanded their block lists and moved on. I'm sure the fan club will carry on. Most of the rest of the cluster wont give a damn. |
Ailer Stane
Reclamation Technologies
31
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Posted - 2014.01.25 02:59:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Ailer Stane wrote: It troubles me that the Gallente voices, even the angry ones have grown silent.
Ishukone remains vocal enough that it should placate your troubled heart. I was unaware that Ishukone is considered a Gallente voice. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1383
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Posted - 2014.01.25 03:04:00 -
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Ailer Stane wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Ailer Stane wrote: It troubles me that the Gallente voices, even the angry ones have grown silent.
Ishukone remains vocal enough that it should placate your troubled heart. I was unaware that Ishukone is considered a Gallente voice.
Where some would consider being named a Liberal an insult and pejorative; most Gallente appear to self-identify as subscribing to its principles. |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
156
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Posted - 2014.01.25 03:24:00 -
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Ailer Stane wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Ailer Stane wrote: It troubles me that the Gallente voices, even the angry ones have grown silent.
Ishukone remains vocal enough that it should placate your troubled heart. I was unaware that Ishukone is considered a Gallente voice. You'll quickly find that the voices doing the loudest crying over Ishukone... Aren't Ishukone. Moitte. |
Ailer Stane
Reclamation Technologies
31
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Posted - 2014.01.25 03:38:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Ailer Stane wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Ailer Stane wrote: It troubles me that the Gallente voices, even the angry ones have grown silent.
Ishukone remains vocal enough that it should placate your troubled heart. I was unaware that Ishukone is considered a Gallente voice. Where some would consider being named a Liberal an insult and pejorative; most Gallente appear to self-identify as subscribing to its principles. Was that an answer? Or simply a prejudicial statement? |
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