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Inspiration
Focused Radical Energy Engineering
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Posted - 2014.01.11 00:09:00 -
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Bear with me, it might just be total crazy and off base, but i want to reflect the idea anyway.
Id like to see a new ship that has the capability to visually morph into any other ship for a short amount of time and at some sort of used up fuel price. The ship would be jump capable on its own at half the range a titan would.
The uses i see for such a ship are baiting, starting fights and ratting out traitors.
These are two possible interesting uses for this:
1. You assume the visuals (and every other way of identification) of a titan and its fit (let say you consume a saved fitting in the mirage process)....that seems bumped out of its usual protective POS shield to get a fight started or rat out a traitor in a HIC.
2. You use several of these to "bluff"/ mislead the enemy and let him believe you are bigger then you really are. If the enemy doesn't test the ship for its real identity they might back off or bring overkill, which brings strategic options in other ways. You could for example mix real dreads with fake dreads and let the real enemy titans loose a cycle on their super weapons.
I am sure there are more interesting uses like presenting titans in Jita that aren't there :), but some restriction to the technology may need to apply ;)
In every war misdirection and use of camouflage flays a crucial role, so why not make an eve equivalent? |
Inspiration
Focused Radical Energy Engineering
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Posted - 2014.01.11 19:41:00 -
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Lets try this again, it got barely read (TZ/Title issue?). |
Naldo
Northern Grit Shifters The Resurrected.
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:23:00 -
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I like the sound of this, maybe base it around the HIC give it the capability to activate a "chameleon" module but not in hi sec that allows it to mirror another ship of similar size or bigger , use warp disruption field generator but it cant fit turrets or launchers after all if its a cap/super death sentence then neuts in the hi's will be preferred.
good idea needs a bit of work .
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Dolorous Tremmens
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:32:00 -
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cheaper bait, less risk. No for any reason. Get some Eve. Make it yours.
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:36:00 -
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grow a pair and use real ships to bait. |
Inspiration
Focused Radical Energy Engineering
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Posted - 2014.01.11 22:00:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:grow a pair and use real ships to bait.
You mean it take balls to attack a freigher in low sec? |
Inspiration
Focused Radical Energy Engineering
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Posted - 2014.01.11 22:03:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:grow a pair and use real ships to bait.
Using a titan for bait, is only for a few people in game, so is pretty much non-existent content. And baiting in a hauler isn't as expensive as baiting in a ship like this...so what exactly is cheap about this?
In ward people build small fake towns and such to misdirect enemy aerial bombardments...whay should eve players not have similar tactics at hand and have to build real towns?
A good misdirection and/or bait ship will actually stop the cheapness! |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.01.11 23:51:00 -
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a titan is roughly 70-80bill for the hull.
thats not that much, and well within 1-2 months' earning power of individuals who know how to make ISK in this game.
i dont know why would you want a titan, its boring as hell and is in reality a glorified bus, but its not, as you say, only for a few people in game.
Let me give you a hint: you know how much 10 guys running incursions can make per day? 10bn, easily. In wormholes, 10bn. In FW, similar amount.
So, get 10 dudes together, go do sites for a week, and build or buy a cheapo titan. |
Inspiration
Focused Radical Energy Engineering
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Posted - 2014.01.12 01:22:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:a titan is roughly 70-80bill for the hull.
thats not that much, and well within 1-2 months' earning power of individuals who know how to make ISK in this game.
i dont know why would you want a titan, its boring as hell and is in reality a glorified bus, but its not, as you say, only for a few people in game.
Let me give you a hint: you know how much 10 guys running incursions can make per day? 10bn, easily. In wormholes, 10bn. In FW, similar amount.
So, get 10 dudes together, go do sites for a week, and build or buy a cheapo titan.
You are totally missing the point here, and aren't contributing one bit to the idea of deception and misdirection and a ship specializing in that goal. The point is not to field the ship the enemy thinks you are.
Bragging about unbalanced game mechanics making certain people lots of ISK, then promoting this as a justification for not to bring new concepts in is beyond ridiculous. Go play wow, you can farm there all day! |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.01.12 06:31:00 -
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Inspiration wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:a titan is roughly 70-80bill for the hull.
thats not that much, and well within 1-2 months' earning power of individuals who know how to make ISK in this game.
i dont know why would you want a titan, its boring as hell and is in reality a glorified bus, but its not, as you say, only for a few people in game.
Let me give you a hint: you know how much 10 guys running incursions can make per day? 10bn, easily. In wormholes, 10bn. In FW, similar amount.
So, get 10 dudes together, go do sites for a week, and build or buy a cheapo titan. You are totally missing the point here, and aren't contributing one bit to the idea of deception and misdirection and a ship specializing in that goal. The point is not to field the ship the enemy thinks you are. Bragging about unbalanced game mechanics making certain people lots of ISK, then promoting this as a justification for not to bring new concepts in is beyond ridiculous. Go play wow, you can farm there all day!
ok so tell me how is it fair that you get a ship for a price of an orca and you can bait with it fleets worth 100s of billions of isk? Cause you and I and everyone else knows that this is the only use for this kind of ship.
Sorry but no, if you want to root out spies or bait super fleets, your bait has to be real, otherwise why would enemy take the bait? You think I, as FC, would bring out a super fleet to tackle your titan if I suspected that it would be cheap bait? Hell no.
Awoxers, if you give them roles and tell them where titans/supers are parked, thats your problem, and you again want solution on the cheap - whats wrong with using an actual super to test and see if guy is awoxer?
And if you want to spoof and misdirect enemy fleets in actual combat, you allready can by other tools, like cloaks, hotdrops, bridges, etc.
So no, its an unnecessary idea. |
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