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Danika Princip
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Posted - 2014.01.12 13:38:00 -
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Gimme more Cynos wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Mojo Joo wrote:Danika Princip wrote:So, the guys who lose sec status, their ship and their insurance, and if they do it enough can be shot by anyone, anywhere, anytime, don't face a speck of risk. What they lose, a 800k destroyer when kill a ship who worth 1000-2000 times more? Insurance for destroyers?!?!?!? You are a free time clown or what? Explain why it should be impossible to gank a pimpfit ship. Now explain why a ship should be invulnerable purely because it's expensive. Not that I agree too much with the OP, but ganking should have a consequence imo. If the consequence is completely non existent, something is wrong. Imho, you shouldn't be able to: - gank a player - loot his stuff - sell the stuff - buy sec-status back - still having profit That's no consequence at all imho. That's pretty laughable to the point that average mission-runners have 10 times more consequences than gankers do. After all, they do get consequences for shooting stuff in missions (standing-loss), while gankers have a get out of jail card, which is paid by the victim.. Or do you seriously feel that buying sec-tags and moving them to a proper concord-station is an appropriate consequence? 5 minutes of flight-time in a cov-ops to make up for all the consequence? Really? I don't think so. Same is true for ganking frighters. Just that the issue is not the ganking, it's the out of jail card gankers can obtain.
Would you rather they had to go spend a couple of hours ratting instead? (And why do you insist on ignoring the multiple posts in this thread pointing out that the gankers don't always CARE about thier sec status? How do you know every ganker in EVE goes and buys tags for sec status?)
ANd how is being able to be shot by anyone, anywhere, anytime, not a consequence?
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Mojo Joo
Scrap Iron Flotilla
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Posted - 2014.01.12 13:57:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Would you rather they had to go spend a couple of hours ratting instead? (And why do you insist on ignoring the multiple posts in this thread pointing out that the gankers don't always CARE about thier sec status? How do you know every ganker in EVE goes and buys tags for sec status?)
ANd how is being able to be shot by anyone, anywhere, anytime, not a consequence?
Exactly. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
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Posted - 2014.01.12 14:17:00 -
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Mojo Joo wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Would you rather they had to go spend a couple of hours ratting instead? (And why do you insist on ignoring the multiple posts in this thread pointing out that the gankers don't always CARE about thier sec status? How do you know every ganker in EVE goes and buys tags for sec status?)
ANd how is being able to be shot by anyone, anywhere, anytime, not a consequence?
Exactly. Exactly what exactly? Exactly they can be shot any time anywhere by any one, when -5 and below? Or exacty that most care less about that because they except it, unlike those that seem not to accept suicide ganking? Or exactly that CCP expect the player base to enact retribution on other players? Or exactly that the whiners fail in this regard and wish mechanics to change, so CCP can hold their hands more?
So back to the question I asked earlier, which you failed to answer.
Why shouldn't suicide ganking be profitable?
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Mojo Joo
Scrap Iron Flotilla
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Posted - 2014.01.12 14:23:00 -
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http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=FauztX
That is not profitable suicide ganking, that is an insane printing isk machine. 2000 bilions isk killed using just dirty cheap destroyers? In few weeks? And you see nothing wrong?
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Mag's
the united SCUM.
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Posted - 2014.01.12 14:31:00 -
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Mojo Joo wrote:http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=FauztX That is not profitable suicide ganking, that is an insane printing isk machine. 2000 bilions isk killed using just dirty cheap destroyers? In few weeks? And you see nothing wrong? Yes I see plenty wrong, but not with suicide ganking. This is why you will always be a victim, you fail to see where the problem is.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Gimme more Cynos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.12 14:34:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Gimme more Cynos wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Mojo Joo wrote:Danika Princip wrote:So, the guys who lose sec status, their ship and their insurance, and if they do it enough can be shot by anyone, anywhere, anytime, don't face a speck of risk. What they lose, a 800k destroyer when kill a ship who worth 1000-2000 times more? Insurance for destroyers?!?!?!? You are a free time clown or what? Explain why it should be impossible to gank a pimpfit ship. Now explain why a ship should be invulnerable purely because it's expensive. Not that I agree too much with the OP, but ganking should have a consequence imo. If the consequence is completely non existent, something is wrong. Imho, you shouldn't be able to: - gank a player - loot his stuff - sell the stuff - buy sec-status back - still having profit That's no consequence at all imho. That's pretty laughable to the point that average mission-runners have 10 times more consequences than gankers do. After all, they do get consequences for shooting stuff in missions (standing-loss), while gankers have a get out of jail card, which is paid by the victim.. Or do you seriously feel that buying sec-tags and moving them to a proper concord-station is an appropriate consequence? 5 minutes of flight-time in a cov-ops to make up for all the consequence? Really? I don't think so. Same is true for ganking frighters. Just that the issue is not the ganking, it's the out of jail card gankers can obtain. Would you rather they had to go spend a couple of hours ratting instead? (And why do you insist on ignoring the multiple posts in this thread pointing out that the gankers don't always CARE about thier sec status? How do you know every ganker in EVE goes and buys tags for sec status?) ANd how is being able to be shot by anyone, anywhere, anytime, not a consequence?
How is it a consequence if it takes you 5 minutes to get rid of it? Just because some people do not use it doesn't mean it's balanced to have such an option to begin with.
And beeing able to be shot by anyone is hardly a consequence if you can make it stop at any time. The only real consequence is the kill-right, which is laughable if you lose something that is covered by the profit you made earlier.
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Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2014.01.12 14:35:00 -
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Mojo Joo wrote:http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=FauztX That is not profitable suicide ganking, that is an insane printing isk machine. 2000 bilions isk killed using just dirty cheap destroyers? In few weeks? And you see nothing wrong?
First off: Learn what ISK printing actually is. No ISK is created for the gankers in this, they're selling stuff on to other players. ISK creation is things like bounties and insurance.
Now, explain why it's bad that stupid people are getting punished. Explain why a feature that has been in the game for ten years is bad enough for you to complain NOW, and wasn't before.
Now, explain why a dozen people working together shouldn't be able to kill one person simply because that one person spent more money than them.
Now, realise that ISK sum you posted is not over a couple of weeks, it's since November 2012. Even so, split that figure in half for the loot drop, then divide it by the number of people in the ganks, which seems to be 12-15. Numbers just keep on getting smaller. It's profitable, sure, but so are a lot of things in EVE. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2014.01.12 14:36:00 -
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Gimme more Cynos wrote:
How is it a consequence if it takes you 5 minutes to get rid of it? Just because some people do not use it doesn't mean it's balanced to have such an option to begin with.
And beeing able to be shot by anyone is hardly a consequence if you can make it stop at any time. The only real consequence is the kill-right, which is laughable if you lose something that is covered by the profit you made earlier.
Where is your proof that any real numbers of gankers are even using these tags? All I see are assumptions and hilarious tears. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
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Posted - 2014.01.12 15:39:00 -
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Mojo Joo wrote:Gankers can just kill faction ships who worth a lot even t2 fitted because they don't risk anything in the process, and is cool to have tens of expensive ships kills on killboard just using cheap destroyers... Also main problem is that is no backslash anymore for suicide ganking unlimited number of ships in hisec, because security status is not anymore a limited resource, period.
Funny i ran SoE missions before the patch in a BS. i saw many many nado and catalyst gangs and felt very very safe. The people that ran those missions in blinged out faction ships with all those gankers around deserved to lose their stuff. You really can't expect CCP to fix stupid.
1. Is my ship profitable to gank? 2. Do gankers often frequent this area?
If you answered yes to both those and still went ahead anyway whose fault is it? not the gankers and not CCP would be my answer here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |
Mojo Joo
Scrap Iron Flotilla
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Posted - 2014.01.12 16:57:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:[
Funny i ran SoE missions before the patch in a BS. i saw many many nado and catalyst gangs and felt very very safe. The people that ran those missions in blinged out faction ships with all those gankers around deserved to lose their stuff. You really can't expect CCP to fix stupid.
1. Is my ship profitable to gank? 2. Do gankers often frequent this area?
If you answered yes to both those and still went ahead anyway whose fault is it? not the gankers and not CCP would be my answer
So you felt very safe flying an ordinary raven with t2 fit, right? And people who want better ships and modules... deserve to die... just because you say so. OK. Now explain me a thing, where all deadspace modules will be sold after missioners took your advice and fly tech1 battleships with t2 fits? A lot of null sec carebears will cry after good money who they get in present from high sec missioners. You want to destroy all the demand for expensive stuff, just because is no place safe enough to use that and everyone who use expensive modules deserve to die? Because you say so? You hate rich people or what?
For this ones what advice you have:
https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98185728/kills/
To not fly anymore mining barges and use only ventures? Your vision is so narrow that provoke me an acute sensation of claustrophobia...
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Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2014.01.12 17:17:00 -
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One would assume the deadspace gear would go to capital, supercapital and particularly rich ratters in nullsec, along with wormhole guys who like to pimpfit their T3s, along with people in highsec who actually know what they are doing, rather than the apparently endless numbers of idiots who buy modules to make awful fits and then cry when they get killed.
There's plenty of use for deadspace gear outside of morons fitting them to mission ships.
The miner ganking has already been explained to you four or five times in this thread, you're just not actually reading it.
Now, will you explain why it is bad for expensive ships to die, and why you think that expensive ships should be immune to ganks simply because they're expensive?
And while you're at it, could you explain why you feel the need to bling out a mission running ship, when you can get 80-90% of the effectiveness for 10-20% of the price? |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.12 17:22:00 -
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Mojo Joo wrote: To not fly anymore mining barges and use only ventures? Your vision is so narrow that provoke me an acute sensation of claustrophobia...
There is quite a lot people can do to avoid being ganked mining:
- fit a tank to their ship that makes them unprofitable to be ganked - have multiple bookmarks and always be aligned while mining - watch local for known gankers, dock up when there are many of them - watch d-scan for incoming gankships and dock up/warp to a safe
I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC. -- TheGunslinger42 "**** goons, they only kill stuff that can't shoot back, they aren't killing us fast enough, they missed my ****** Ibis so they failed, CCP ban goons they shot my ship." -- Distracted |
Dolorous Tremmens
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.12 17:25:00 -
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I cant believe you're still whining. Yah you stop missioning and supplying people with officer mods, that'll show us. The reason why you feel claustrophobic is that you have your head in the sand. Your ship was lost, it was your fault,Its not going to come back, this is the way eve gets played, it was the same when I started 7 years ago. Are you OCD? Did you HAVE to have that ship or something bad happens to the economy, the planet, your parents and all that sort of delusion?
People will continue to be dumb and buy things from you, even if you're just using a BS like the rest of the informed. You had a bubble burst and it goes like this:
You are not a special Snowflake.
It happens, and it likely happens to almost everyone, unless they're docked up for life. Whining won't bring it back, but begging in jita could probably get you the isk to get it back faster than whining here.
It may take a while to hammer this lesson in, but I'd suggest everyone sign their posts like this:
DON'T FLY WHAT YOU CAN'T AFORD TO LOSE
Get some Eve. Make it yours.
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.12 18:13:00 -
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tbh i think abit like the op even if he should be trolling. But nothing against suicide ganking to make a profit. The thing i have a problem with is that 7 catalysts can take down 1 good tanked hulk. That means a 20M maybe 30M fleet can destroy a 200M hull without big consequences. I dont talk about the fitting just about the hull, and thats where i think concord should lay a fine on them for the difference which automatically gets substracted and if the char cant pay it will either take it from another char on that account or put them in the red. But if that hulk would be fitted with a pith a-type medium shield booster that wouldnt be added to the CONCORD fine and the gankers could still make money out of their "profession". |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2014.01.12 18:18:00 -
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:tbh i think abit like the op even if he should be trolling. But nothing against suicide ganking to make a profit. The thing i have a problem with is that 7 catalysts can take down 1 good tanked hulk. That means a 20M maybe 30M fleet can destroy a 200M hull without big consequences. I dont talk about the fitting just about the hull, and thats where i think concord should lay a fine on them for the difference which automatically gets substracted and if the char cant pay it will either take it from another char on that account or put them in the red. But if that hulk would be fitted with a pith a-type medium shield booster that wouldnt be added to the CONCORD fine and the gankers could still make money out of their "profession". EDIT: Dolorous Tremmens wrote: DON'T FLY WHAT YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE
That doesnt mean so that u can replace it :P
Which means that gankers would just store all their ISK on their market alts and fly around with deep negative wallets. It achieves nothing. |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.12 18:19:00 -
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:tbh i think abit like the op even if he should be trolling. But nothing against suicide ganking to make a profit. The thing i have a problem with is that 7 catalysts can take down 1 good tanked hulk.
Why not? The Hulk is the Exhumer with the lowest EHP, if you are in a situation where you must rely on others to protect you, you'd be better off in a Skiff - which can easily tank 7 catalysts.
I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC. -- TheGunslinger42 "**** goons, they only kill stuff that can't shoot back, they aren't killing us fast enough, they missed my ****** Ibis so they failed, CCP ban goons they shot my ship." -- Distracted |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2014.01.12 18:32:00 -
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Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:tbh i think abit like the op even if he should be trolling. But nothing against suicide ganking to make a profit. The thing i have a problem with is that 7 catalysts can take down 1 good tanked hulk. Why not? The Hulk is the Exhumer with the lowest EHP, if you are in a situation where you must rely on others to protect you, you'd be better off in a Skiff - which can easily tank 7 catalysts.
im not a miner just to make sure. ^^ But rly why should i ever use a skiff in hs only because there might be some griefers who think just let us screw somebody over. Ok maybe a solo miner in a mackinaw would be the same maybe 8 cats to make sure it rly dies. My trouble is just the imbalance when the gankers destroy a expensive hull just for **** and giggles and lose nothing and have nothing to gain from it too. |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
482
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Posted - 2014.01.12 18:42:00 -
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:im not a miner just to make sure. ^^ But rly why should i ever use a skiff in hs only because there might be some griefers who think just let us screw somebody over.
Let me get this straight: Shooting spaceships is now griefing? And of course you would use a Skiff when there are gankers active in the system you mine in - or you use any of the multiple other options to prevent ganking. (Mining aligned, having friends to rep you, griffin/blackbird alts etc)
Quote:Ok maybe a solo miner in a mackinaw would be the same maybe 8 cats to make sure it rly dies. My trouble is just the imbalance when the gankers destroy a expensive hull just for **** and giggles and lose nothing and have nothing to gain from it too.
Maybe they are industrialists that want to mine in the system without others "stealing" their ore. Or they produce exhumers and want to sell more. Who are you to decide that their way of playing the game is wrong? Surely if they don't gain anything from it they will run out of ISK and stop those unprofitable actions. I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC. -- TheGunslinger42 "**** goons, they only kill stuff that can't shoot back, they aren't killing us fast enough, they missed my ****** Ibis so they failed, CCP ban goons they shot my ship." -- Distracted |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2014.01.12 18:51:00 -
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Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:im not a miner just to make sure. ^^ But rly why should i ever use a skiff in hs only because there might be some griefers who think just let us screw somebody over. Let me get this straight: Shooting spaceships is now griefing? And of course you would use a Skiff when there are gankers active in the system you mine in - or you use any of the multiple other options to prevent ganking. (Mining aligned, having friends to rep you, griffin/blackbird alts etc) Quote:Ok maybe a solo miner in a mackinaw would be the same maybe 8 cats to make sure it rly dies. My trouble is just the imbalance when the gankers destroy a expensive hull just for **** and giggles and lose nothing and have nothing to gain from it too. Maybe they are industrialists that want to mine in the system without others "stealing" their ore. Or they produce exhumers and want to sell more. Who are you to decide that their way of playing the game is wrong? Surely if they don't gain anything from it they will run out of ISK and stop those unprofitable actions.
the first point i concur (with defense against griefers).
the second sry to disapoint but i play the game long enough to have known enough ppl who do that kind of stuff rly only for the giggles. They get such a great feeling out of aggressing a "defenseless" ship and improving their kb just for the fun. And that is by my definition griefing. My point is just that a police force like CONCORD should balance the prices (hull not fitted stuff). But as you are from goon and that being one of your standard mode of operation i will never get u to agree so i wish u fun with the way u play. |
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:10:00 -
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I have to agree, its become rediculous.
Iv played for 6 years, iv seen over 100 people stop playing because of this unbalanced deal with ganking.
I dont mind ganks its a part of the game, but at least people should have a chance to defend them self and put up a fight before getting slaughtered by 100m detroyers killing your 2b isk mission ship, or you hard earned freighters.
I lost my Mach last night no big deal, but 15 Trashers took 2 sec to burn down the mach, i didnt even manage to lock any of them up before i was dead, with all hardners overheated.
If i took at BS to low sec, not even faction fitted, at least i get a fight if i meet a dessy gang and last 2-3 min before dieing in flames.
Those 100 people people iv seen stop playing, put ALOT of time and effort into fitting their mission ships, their type of game play. They have over the years dragged alot of new people into the game. Now those 100 people will only talk negative about EVE, and i rather see new people joining than anything else.
Nisroc Angels - The Obsidian Front Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
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Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:35:00 -
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Ynot Eyob wrote:I have to agree, its become rediculous.
Iv played for 6 years, iv seen over 100 people stop playing because of this unbalanced deal with ganking.
I dont mind ganks its a part of the game, but at least people should have a chance to defend them self and put up a fight before getting slaughtered by 100m detroyers killing your 2b isk mission ship, or you hard earned freighters.
I lost my Mach last night no big deal, but 15 Trashers took 2 sec to burn down the mach, i didnt even manage to lock any of them up before i was dead, with all hardners overheated.
If i took at BS to low sec, not even faction fitted, at least i get a fight if i meet a dessy gang and last 2-3 min before dieing in flames.
Those 100 people people iv seen stop playing, put ALOT of time and effort into fitting their mission ships, their type of game play. They have over the years dragged alot of new people into the game. Now those 100 people will only talk negative about EVE, and i rather see new people joining than anything else.
Your lossmail was linked earlier. You had 85k EHP and a gaping EM hole in that fit, it really wouldn't have been hard to kill you. If you took that BS to lowsec, you'd have died even faster. Maybe you should have refit to something with an actual tank?
On top of that, a maelstrom costing 300 million would do the job of your 1.7 billion isk machariel, it'd tank better and do all of 40 less DPS. Was your ship worth the extra 1.4 billion ISK over a mael?
And, as not one single one of the whiners in this thread has managed to answer the question, why should the pricetag of your ship affect how easily it can or can't be killed? |
Mojo Joo
Scrap Iron Flotilla
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:51:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Your lossmail was linked earlier. You had 85k EHP and a gaping EM hole in that fit, it really wouldn't have been hard to kill you. If you took that BS to lowsec, you'd have died even faster. Maybe you should have refit to something with an actual tank?
On top of that, a maelstrom costing 300 million would do the job of your 1.7 billion isk machariel, it'd tank better and do all of 40 less DPS. Was your ship worth the extra 1.4 billion ISK over a mael?
And, as not one single one of the whiners in this thread has managed to answer the question, why should the pricetag of your ship affect how easily it can or can't be killed?
Tell me how can you tank 13 tornado you genius, no matter how you fit your ship...
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21508051 |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1968
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:20:00 -
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Mojo Joo wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Your lossmail was linked earlier. You had 85k EHP and a gaping EM hole in that fit, it really wouldn't have been hard to kill you. If you took that BS to lowsec, you'd have died even faster. Maybe you should have refit to something with an actual tank?
On top of that, a maelstrom costing 300 million would do the job of your 1.7 billion isk machariel, it'd tank better and do all of 40 less DPS. Was your ship worth the extra 1.4 billion ISK over a mael?
And, as not one single one of the whiners in this thread has managed to answer the question, why should the pricetag of your ship affect how easily it can or can't be killed? Tell me how can you tank 13 tornado you genius, no matter how you fit your ship... http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21508051
Easy,
The maelstrom mentioned would not have been a 5 BILLION isk ship. 13 Tornado's would not have even bothered. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:21:00 -
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Mojo Joo wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Your lossmail was linked earlier. You had 85k EHP and a gaping EM hole in that fit, it really wouldn't have been hard to kill you. If you took that BS to lowsec, you'd have died even faster. Maybe you should have refit to something with an actual tank?
On top of that, a maelstrom costing 300 million would do the job of your 1.7 billion isk machariel, it'd tank better and do all of 40 less DPS. Was your ship worth the extra 1.4 billion ISK over a mael?
And, as not one single one of the whiners in this thread has managed to answer the question, why should the pricetag of your ship affect how easily it can or can't be killed? Tell me how can you tank 13 tornado you genius, no matter how you fit your ship... http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21508051
In Eve, you are never safe. Just as in real life, the police arrive after the crime, not before it. If someone wants you dead, they can find a way and a means to kill you, as long as you undock. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:24:00 -
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Mojo Joo wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Your lossmail was linked earlier. You had 85k EHP and a gaping EM hole in that fit, it really wouldn't have been hard to kill you. If you took that BS to lowsec, you'd have died even faster. Maybe you should have refit to something with an actual tank?
On top of that, a maelstrom costing 300 million would do the job of your 1.7 billion isk machariel, it'd tank better and do all of 40 less DPS. Was your ship worth the extra 1.4 billion ISK over a mael?
And, as not one single one of the whiners in this thread has managed to answer the question, why should the pricetag of your ship affect how easily it can or can't be killed? Tell me how can you tank 13 tornado you genius, no matter how you fit your ship... http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21508051
By flying the 300 million ISK maelstrom that came through the gate after that idiot and wasn't touched at all.
5.7 billion ISK is asking for it. 300 million is not. |
Sigras
Conglomo
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:29:00 -
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Mojo Joo wrote:Sigras wrote:So again I ask what change are you proposing that will make you happy? First of all making security tags much more scarce, so making them much more expensive will be a very, very good start. Second, concord time response is obvious to long when you deal with big destroyers fleets, so one balanced solution can be that concord to arrive faster when attackers numbers are bigger. Is a good start to stop the massacre in a way who not break the game mechanics? Dude, how many people have to tell you that gankers dont care about sec status for you to believe them?
Second, lets say for the sake of the argument that you're right, and concord makes a beam that instantly deals 1,000,000 DPS damage to anyone with a GCC
Gankers would immediately switch to thrashers with artillery cannons which cost about 8,000,000 ISK for a T2 fit doing 1,396 damage all at once to get around concord.
This means each thrasher does 5,731 damage per ISK. Since we know the drop chance is 50% they need to be worth 2x as much as it costs to kill them, so they must be worth at least 11,462 ISK per EHP, so the average ship with 90,000 EHP is profitable to kill if it has just over a billion ISK in modules fitted.
Since they're going to want to make a profit, lets say 2 billion is the minimum point where they will gank you. YOU STILL CANT FLY A BLINGED OUT SHIP
TL;DR Even instant concord wont protect you from stupid |
Gadicus Sharhrizai
FST Labs
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Posted - 2014.01.12 21:28:00 -
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Not one carebare has explained why oh why, even if they insist on flying blingy ships, they can't be bothered to bring along a fleet to help protect them?
The problem, besides the fact that this game and the mentality behind playing on a non-blue server escapes you, is that you think that you should always be able to do everything solo.
You want to solo runs missions in a MMO..... do even see the problem here? Your paying money each month, to sign onto a game with thousands of others in order to play by yourself..... This is your issue.
Try running missions with a couple friends (doesn't seem like you have alot of them, so maybe try to find them)... you won't look like such a tasty / easy target.
Also, quit bringing up ganking miners.. the only reason people lose mining ships is because they yield fit and are afk (or near enough it makes no difference)... seriously it's not that hard to keep from getting ganked (Hint... fly a procure or skiff). Just like in real life, is really a great idea to strut down the inner city with a 60 thousand dollar rolex on your arm and diamonds on your fingers that blind people three blocks away? Not really... same principle in eve. |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2014.01.12 22:26:00 -
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Since the question remains UNANSWERED, let me ask again:
Why should 1 person in a shiny ship be unkillable by 10+?
What justification do you have for this?
If you really want to move 20B in a freighter, WHY are you not bringing your corp mates to fly Logistics or ECM as escort? Why should 10 people NOT be able to kill you? Eve is not designed for 1 person to just Lol their way through high sec no risk. Bring friends, travel in convoy's, PAY merc's to escort you. Don't expect 1 person to just 0 ducks their way through High sec and be completely invulnerable. Take precaution.
The Law is a point of View |
Sarah Stallman
International Unification
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Posted - 2014.01.12 23:26:00 -
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The underlying premace of EVE is that the place is not nice. "High sec" is hardly secure, it's everything CONCORD can do to keep it from devolving into open warfare. I mean, what government sanctions companies waging legal war against the others?
One of the most important skills to learn in EVE is how to stay alive. This thread is all from someone who doesn't want to learn that. |
Gadicus Sharhrizai
FST Labs
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Posted - 2014.01.12 23:34:00 -
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Sarah Stallman wrote:
One of the most important skills to learn in EVE is how to stay alive. This thread is all from someone who doesn't want to learn that.
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