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Dr Sraggles
The Covenant of Blood
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:42:00 -
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Topic says it all.
For the Price of a PLEX why not let me buy a month's worth of SP (@ say, 2500 SP/Hr) that I can then allocate as I choose?
Time is precious to us all. I would like to be able to dump that month's worth of SP into those Level 5 skills that are so painful to train.
PLEX prices rise, CCP profits.
No, I don't want to buy another toon with millions of SP that are not in areas I am interested in, I want unallocated SP for PLEX that I can put precisely where I want it.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
226
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:43:00 -
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Nope. If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Dr Sraggles
The Covenant of Blood
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:45:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Nope.
While I admire your brevity sir, declarative sentences are not useful.
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1231
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:49:00 -
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So that the older, richer players can buy skill points with their massive in-game wealth and get even further ahead of newer players? No thanks |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2230
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:51:00 -
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Pay to win is bad. Go Away. |
Dr Sraggles
The Covenant of Blood
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:54:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Pay to win is bad. Go Away.
Don't we have that now when richer players can bling their ships?
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Dr Sraggles
The Covenant of Blood
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:56:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:So that the older, richer players can buy skill points with their massive in-game wealth and get even further ahead of newer players? No thanks
Newer players are more likely to "catch up" than older players accelerate away.
There is only so much you can do to improve the performance of a frig or dessie. Older richer players will be training Marauder and Capital skills. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2231
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:59:00 -
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Dr Sraggles wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Pay to win is bad. Go Away. Don't we have that now when richer players can bling their ships?
Which has nothing whatsoever to do with richer players being able to buy skillpoints. |
Dolorous Tremmens
The Scope Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:01:00 -
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More like build a bot armada in no time and get back into RMT after being banned. No, earn the time in just like everyone else.
Get some Eve. Make it yours.
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Pipa Porto
1521
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:01:00 -
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Dr Sraggles wrote:declarative sentences are not useful.
Ahem
Learn to search.
There, an imperative. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
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Dr Sraggles
The Covenant of Blood
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:01:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Dr Sraggles wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Pay to win is bad. Go Away. Don't we have that now when richer players can bling their ships? Which has nothing whatsoever to do with richer players being able to buy skillpoints.
Skill Points = DPS, Cap Life, Tank etc
Bling = DPS, Cap Life, Tank etc
Is that not correct?
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Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2231
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:04:00 -
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Dr Sraggles wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Dr Sraggles wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Pay to win is bad. Go Away. Don't we have that now when richer players can bling their ships? Which has nothing whatsoever to do with richer players being able to buy skillpoints. Skill Points = DPS, Cap Life, Tank etc Bling = DPS, Cap Life, Tank etc Is that not correct?
No, not at all. Buying an officer mod doesn't suddenly allow you to fly amarr battleships when you had no ammar skills at all five minutes ago... |
Dr Sraggles
The Covenant of Blood
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:07:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Dr Sraggles wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Dr Sraggles wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Pay to win is bad. Go Away. Don't we have that now when richer players can bling their ships? Which has nothing whatsoever to do with richer players being able to buy skillpoints. Skill Points = DPS, Cap Life, Tank etc Bling = DPS, Cap Life, Tank etc Is that not correct? No, not at all. Buying an officer mod doesn't suddenly allow you to fly amarr battleships when you had no ammar skills at all five minutes ago...
Training Amarr BS 1 takes minutes, then bling can make a huge difference in performance. Using one Plex to get Amarr BS 5 is the end of the world? |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1231
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:08:00 -
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Dr Sraggles wrote:Elena Thiesant wrote:So that the older, richer players can buy skill points with their massive in-game wealth and get even further ahead of newer players? No thanks Newer players are more likely to "catch up" than older players accelerate away.
New players can't afford to buy plex by the buttload, so no. And I said older 'players', not older characters. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2231
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:11:00 -
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Dr Sraggles wrote:
Training Amarr BS 1 takes minutes, then bling can make a huge difference in performance. Using one Plex to get Amarr BS 5 is the end of the world?
From nothing? Yes. It completely removes consequences for choices made during training. It penalises new players further. It destroys the character market, makes attributes meaningless, kills the implant market, removes consequences for not updating your clone... |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2112
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:13:00 -
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Dr Sraggles wrote:
Training Amarr BS 1 takes minutes, then bling can make a huge difference in performance. Using one Plex to get Amarr BS 5 is the end of the world?
Training Amarr Battleships 1 takes me 2 Days 24 Minutes and 45 seconds.
All that bling doesn't mean **** if there are no skills to back it up. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16449
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:16:00 -
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Dr Sraggles wrote:Danika Princip wrote:
No, not at all. Buying an officer mod doesn't suddenly allow you to fly amarr battleships when you had no ammar skills at all five minutes ago...
Training Amarr BS 1 takes minutes, then bling can make a huge difference in performance. Using one Plex to get Amarr BS 5 is the end of the world? It's not the end of the world if you have to train for it, like everyone else then. Your idea is nothing new and doesn't solve any problems. (No, you wanting SP NOW isn't a problem)
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Jureth22
Perkone Caldari State
151
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:18:00 -
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yes |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:18:00 -
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will never happen
been discussed many times over the years.
the conclusion is:
1) instantly nobody would have ISK
2) instantly PLEX would be worth a bajillion ISK
neither of which is helpful to the game |
Dr Sraggles
The Covenant of Blood
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:19:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Dr Sraggles wrote:Danika Princip wrote:
No, not at all. Buying an officer mod doesn't suddenly allow you to fly amarr battleships when you had no ammar skills at all five minutes ago...
Training Amarr BS 1 takes minutes, then bling can make a huge difference in performance. Using one Plex to get Amarr BS 5 is the end of the world? It's not the end of the world if you have to train for it, like everyone else then. Your idea is nothing new and doesn't solve any problems. (No, you wanting SP NOW isn't a problem)
The problem it solves is allowing new players to accelerate their training.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
4688
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:22:00 -
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Dr Sraggles wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Dr Sraggles wrote:Skill Points = DPS, Cap Life, Tank etc
Bling = DPS, Cap Life, Tank etc
Is that not correct?
No, not at all. Buying an officer mod doesn't suddenly allow you to fly amarr battleships when you had no ammar skills at all five minutes ago... Training Amarr BS 1 takes minutes, then bling can make a huge difference in performance. Using one Plex to get Amarr BS 5 is the end of the world? More expensive mods give linear performance increases for exponentially higher prices. They also make you a gank target.
Skills give multiplicative bonuses that add up with time and can never be taken away.
No to this idea. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2232
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:23:00 -
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Dr Sraggles wrote:Mag's wrote:Dr Sraggles wrote:Danika Princip wrote:
No, not at all. Buying an officer mod doesn't suddenly allow you to fly amarr battleships when you had no ammar skills at all five minutes ago...
Training Amarr BS 1 takes minutes, then bling can make a huge difference in performance. Using one Plex to get Amarr BS 5 is the end of the world? It's not the end of the world if you have to train for it, like everyone else then. Your idea is nothing new and doesn't solve any problems. (No, you wanting SP NOW isn't a problem) The problem it solves is allowing new players to accelerate their training.
Which it does not do, it allows older, richer players to accelerate thier own training far, far more. Classic Malcanis law. |
Dr Sraggles
The Covenant of Blood
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:28:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Dr Sraggles wrote:Mag's wrote:Dr Sraggles wrote:Danika Princip wrote:
No, not at all. Buying an officer mod doesn't suddenly allow you to fly amarr battleships when you had no ammar skills at all five minutes ago...
Training Amarr BS 1 takes minutes, then bling can make a huge difference in performance. Using one Plex to get Amarr BS 5 is the end of the world? It's not the end of the world if you have to train for it, like everyone else then. Your idea is nothing new and doesn't solve any problems. (No, you wanting SP NOW isn't a problem) The problem it solves is allowing new players to accelerate their training. Which it does not do, it allows older, richer players to accelerate thier own training far, far more. Classic Malcanis law.
Who cares if an old toon suddenly has Carrier 5?
Would not the game benefit from more players with Frigate 5?
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Dr Sraggles
The Covenant of Blood
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:29:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:will never happen
been discussed many times over the years.
the conclusion is:
1) instantly nobody would have ISK
2) instantly PLEX would be worth a bajillion ISK
neither of which is helpful to the game
This is the best rebuttal I've seen so far.
The question is would we spend all our isk on SP versus ships to blow up?
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Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2233
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:29:00 -
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How does it help a new player to 'catch up' if older players are suddenly gaining millions of extra SP? |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16449
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:30:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Dr Sraggles wrote:Mag's wrote:It's not the end of the world if you have to train for it, like everyone else then. Your idea is nothing new and doesn't solve any problems. (No, you wanting SP NOW isn't a problem) The problem it solves is allowing new players to accelerate their training. Which it does not do, it allows older, richer players to accelerate their own training far, far more. Classic Malcanis law. This.
Plus OP you still do not mention a problem, only a reason you think we need it. Which isn't a reason for change and only creates a problem.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Dr Sraggles
The Covenant of Blood
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:32:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:How does it help a new player to 'catch up' if older players are suddenly gaining millions of extra SP?
Because older players already have complete frig/dessie skills. Newer players could buy a month or two and no longer be fodder.
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Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2233
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:33:00 -
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Dr Sraggles wrote:Danika Princip wrote:How does it help a new player to 'catch up' if older players are suddenly gaining millions of extra SP? Because older players already have complete frig/dessie skills. Newer players could buy a month or two and no longer be fodder.
But a new player in a frigate with complete frigate skills is STILL fodder. They're still flying a frigate, and they don't know the game mechanics... |
Dr Sraggles
The Covenant of Blood
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:33:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Dr Sraggles wrote:Mag's wrote:It's not the end of the world if you have to train for it, like everyone else then. Your idea is nothing new and doesn't solve any problems. (No, you wanting SP NOW isn't a problem) The problem it solves is allowing new players to accelerate their training. Which it does not do, it allows older, richer players to accelerate their own training far, far more. Classic Malcanis law. This. Plus OP you still do not mention a problem, only a reason you think we need it. Which isn't a reason for change and only creates a problem.
The problem is the truly fundamental problem of eve. A new player is a nearly worthless toon for many, many months.
The idea is to help people leap frog over the worthless period and get to the fun period sooner.
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Mag's
the united SCUM.
16449
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:34:00 -
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Dr Sraggles wrote:
Who cares if an old toon suddenly has Carrier 5?
Would not the game benefit from more players with Frigate 5?
Everyone with balance in mind cares.
The game benefits from players with longevity in mind, not want it now get board 20 minutes later. Eve is not WoW in space and it's skill system is nothing like it either. It is one of the best systems I've come across and allows new players to compete very early on.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
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