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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:19:00 -
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Please be constructive in your replies and follow the forum rules. If you think you do not like an idea, then please point out why you don't like it and why it is from your point of view not a good idea. Thank you! CCP Phantom - Senior Community Representative - Volunteer Manager |
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The Djentleman Paulson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
152
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:20:00 -
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I FLY INTERCEPTOR
I STEAL ISK
HOORAY GAME |
Nassus Ryn
Dystopian Industries
0
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:21:00 -
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Increase ratting reduction from 95% to 80% by default.
Decrease ratting reduction from deployed ESS to 5% (75% with ESS active.)
Increase ESS payout to 30% - 45% (105%-120%)
Result: Nullsec entities actually bother setting up and routinely operating ESS's in ratting systems. And ESS won't just be shot on sight due to being useless.
I imagine most would rather eat the 5% income nerf than bother operating an ESS at all. |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
843
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:22:00 -
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Vereesa wrote:The ESS is effectively free candy for interceptors. If anyone deploys them they're braindead.
The variations on the Siphon units look good though.
Yay, interceptor honeypot!
Deploy it out of d-scan range and wait with interceptor of your own and a heretic at it. Pew pew. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Cheekything
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
129
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:24:00 -
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The ESS is a joke.
If you want people to willing set one up you will need to give much more incentive 5% extra bonus is laughable 50% maybe , 25% is the border.
What makes it even more of a joke is your giving people "tags" people do not go to 0.0 to rat tags, give it in bounties, LP something useful but tags... dear me who thought that was a good idea.
"but but you can pop the person who has the tags and it'll cause internet drama", frankly bomber + ESS = free candy.
This is all risk no reward for ratters and all reward no risk for people in Bombers with covert bombers.
Don't me wrong I'll use it for the latter, but this is a dreadful idea in it's current implementation. |
Billybob Sheepshooter
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:24:00 -
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Nassus Ryn wrote:Increase ratting reduction from 95% to 80% by default.
Decrease ratting reduction from deployed ESS to 5% (75% with ESS active.)
Increase ESS payout to 30% - 45% (105%-120%)
Result: Nullsec entities actually bother setting up and routinely operating ESS's in ratting systems. And ESS won't just be shot on sight due to being useless.
I imagine most would rather eat the 5% income nerf than bother operating an ESS at all.
Because what nullsec need is a nerf to pilot income. And in case you didn't notice. Thats sarcasm.
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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
339
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:24:00 -
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Make them so that the Take All option has chance of causing the ESS to instantly explode with enough area of effect damage to kill anything small er than a Nestor Fear God and Thread Nought |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
756
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:24:00 -
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I'll start with the simple. The tag names are lame, can we just have Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum or anything that's not "Amarr 1M Bounty Reimbursement Tag" it just sounds far to "this is a game mechanic item and not "this is an actual thing in the EVE universe.
Something like "Amarr Silver Bounty Compensation Tag" would at least feel like I am using something tied into the world more (and yes I know I am terrible with making names).
Secondly the ESS itself seems somewhat useless past taxing alliance line members (who are the ones suffering to make ISK), renters or neutrals (NRDS) using the system to make money. When you right ANYONE CAN ACCESS THE ESS does this mean a red can fly into system, activate it, take the tags and move on? if this is the case with it being a marked location on the overview and not deployable near any kind of defence it makes it worthless to ever use. It's basically taking your wallet and leaving it on the bar while you sit at your table and hoping it's still there with all your money when you come back to get your next drink, people just don't do that because there it's stupid.
With anyone having access this becomes less of a tool for an alliance to upgrade their space more and bring us closer to building our own Empires and more a griefing tool for roamers, or is that the intent.
As it is right now the ESS implementation give you the choices of Take 95% of the current income (another nerf to NullSec and reason to run L4 missions or HighSec Incursions) Take 80% of the current income and let every Alliance Spy, Roaming Red, Nuetral take 25% of your work with no effort.
Please tell me I have just misunderstood all of this and it's actually a good thing. Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |
Enteron Anabente
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:26:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:heretic
You forgot again that interceptors are nullified, didn't you? |
Icosa Hedron
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:26:00 -
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The Djentleman Paulson wrote:I FLY INTERCEPTOR
I STEAL ISK
HOORAY GAME
Same.
Also I really like that you can do tax evasion with this. Think of all those GSF taxes set at 15% which you can now partially avoid.
In all seriousness it is really funny that CCP decided to give nullsec another blanket nerf. I guess I'm just glad I don't rat at all anymore. |
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Anys Thes'Realin
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:26:00 -
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My first reaction of the ESS is not very positive - I saw it as modifying an existing system simply to make room for a new deployable.
My opinion of ESS's improved slightly once I considered that there is a chance to steal ISKies from other people ratting, but then it went down as I see this being a very rare occurrence - I doubt ESS's will be used a lot (risk 15% to gain 5%-10% for a device that shows up on local overview).
My overall thoughts - an interesting idea, but I would have put the time invested in this idea into other deployables first.
My (WIP) Roleplaying Profile: http://tinyurl.com/nfazlch |
blackpatch
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:26:00 -
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- More of the Most Tedious Game Mechanic Ever Invented and - A 5% nerf to ratting income!
Great job! Bonuses all around.
Really, though, have you noticed that node crashes are assumed consequences of bloc fleet fights? Or that sentries and the outsourcing of targeting have sent PVP hurtling into an insane wonderland?
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seth Hendar
I love you miners
362
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:26:00 -
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CCP SoniClover wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Isn't there any legacy code that could stop you from introducing pointless stuff like ESS and/or MMJD? No, but our long term goal is to have the ESS code become a legacy code that kills good ideas 7 years down the road. to kill good ideas, you need some in the first place, and judjing by the past 3 expansion, you don't(you = CCP, not you personnaly) |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
538
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:27:00 -
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Nassus Ryn wrote:Increase ratting reduction from 95% to 80% by default.
Decrease ratting reduction from deployed ESS to 5% (75% with ESS active.)
Increase ESS payout to 30% - 45% (105%-120%)
Result: Nullsec entities actually bother setting up and routinely operating ESS's in ratting systems. And ESS won't just be shot on sight due to being useless.
I imagine most would rather eat the 5% income nerf than bother operating an ESS at all.
Double this. BALEX is recruiting -----> tinyurl.com/oscmmlv |
Mirthander Kane
The Warp Core Stabilizers Tactical Narcotics Team
3
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:27:00 -
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Not really someone that posts on forums alot, but for this I had to speak up.
The ESS is an incredibly over-complicated deployable that nerfs the crap out of ratters. Like most of the other people are saying here, it is a mindless nerf to nullsec ratting (the only reason you would be doing nullsec ratting is to pay for your PVP ships/losses) Thus, from the answers to the questions asked here, we can see that this is an atrocious mod.
I can understand why CCP thought this would shake things up, but it is absolutely just a nerf to ratting income, with a LOT of aspects to make it super annoying to try and rat going forward. Should anyone actually use it in system (friendly or enemy) it will be a loss for anyone not getting to the ESS first.
The chances that anyone will 'share the loot' is effectively 0%. If you think otherwise, catch a wake up - this is EVE...
Thus, friendly toon drops this - all bounties are decreased to 80%. Lets assume it will take about an hour with a few people ratting to boost to 105%, as a dev posted. Woah, epic bonus... NOT!
Riiight... then we get to roaming bubble-immune enemies in inties or cloaky strategic cruisers. There are enough of those around to instantly see the %increase and steal all the loot tags as they warp through systems, before any ratter can even switch to a PVP ship, thus back to 80% bounties. And they can do this every few minutes. Rinse, repeat.
If an enemy drops it in your space, it is at least something you can go try and kill before continuing to rat, but it is possible the enemy can just constantly plop these down anywhere in a system as soon as the previous one was destroyed - thus locking down a ratting system to 80% income indefinitely! And if they are in a cloaky ship - you cannot find and kill them.
Flying to the ESS in your ratting ship is basically a death sentence due to bubble.
So all in all - using this is in essence a 20% nerf to nullsec ratting... not only a 5% nerf. And why will this only be in nullsec??
As someone that struggles to make enough ISK to pvp vs. the time it takes by doing nullsec ratting, this is one of the worst deployables in the history of EVE... Seriously, please re-think this deployable. |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
357
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:27:00 -
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CCP SoniClover wrote:Querns wrote:I have more questions I hope you like questions
So say I happen upon an ESS and choose the "screw everyone, give me all the money" option. Printing the tags takes 40 seconds. Do I have to stay on grid with the ESS in order to get the tags, or can I warp off and come back after the tags are minted? A can will drop with the tags in 40 seconds. So you can leave and come back. And hope you get to the can first
I think you should consider changing this. Make the can automatically lock up if there are more than 1 uncloaked ships within the bubble. This would add more possibilitis for drama, since you could block the can by just sitting there and thus forcing a fight. |
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
100
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:28:00 -
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Broadly speaking I approve. I particularly like the high pitched whine the goonflies are emitting.
Consider allowing the hacking skill to frig with triggering payment levels at a more convenient time to the hacker. Sitting in that hotspot long enough to complete a hack would be risk enough for the potential reward. |
Yur Ko
The Sith Syndicate REFORD
4
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:28:00 -
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As I see it, the intention (of ESS introduction) is to induce more pvp in nullsec. Yet as is it won't cut it because no one in his own mind will ever launch it. The reasons are all listed already. So it'll net to pure nerf of nullsec pve.
If ever CCP want to make it usefull, the structure: - should be only accessible to people with positive rating, so that random guy cannot reset it. - should have more hp (a lot lot lot more), possibly invulnerability timer (think like SBU) - so that it's not a reasonable target for inties. - should give higher bonus for all the trouble of defending a gun-less structure.
... or just nerf those inties ;)
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Qoi
Exert Force
0
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:29:00 -
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Will the different racial variants have different colors? |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
843
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:29:00 -
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Enteron Anabente wrote:l0rd carlos wrote:heretic You forgot again that interceptors are nullified, didn't you? No I did not. But the heretic is good against interceptors.
German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
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Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
50190
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:30:00 -
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There should be a pirate edition of the EES that allows players to leech FW LP.
It would finally give the farmers a reason to fight for their profit. One Man Crew - The official Bringing Solo Back contest
SCL5 Winner |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
756
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:34:00 -
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As posted to Twitter:
What I would see as a useful version of the ESS people will use.
-xx% in overall bounties but receive LP. LP store is a form of ISK sink in that it takes ISK+LP for items which the eventually go boom. It gives RP/Lore links from NullSec Alliances to their Empires, could even make it ONLY available to enlisted Sov Holders giving a reason for NullSec powers to work for the Empires. Gives roaming gangs a smaller more killable target and goes towards the idea of players being able to mess with other Alliances income flow. Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5931
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:34:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:Enteron Anabente wrote:l0rd carlos wrote:heretic You forgot again that interceptors are nullified, didn't you? No I did not. But the heretic is good against interceptors. Lots of things are good against interceptors, when they decide not to use their invulnerable "can warp away before being locked" mode. "I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
aoeu Itonula
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:35:00 -
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Enteron Anabente wrote:l0rd carlos wrote:heretic You forgot again that interceptors are nullified, didn't you? the idea in his post is that you use your own interceptor to tackle the enemy interceptor, and then your heretic to kill the enemy interceptor
whether you find this reasonable or not is up to you |
ZergRushJohnny
Terra Incognita Insidious Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:35:00 -
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I'm not sure I like the "Beacon on Overview" method of displaying it. I just think its a little TOO obvious, for both attackers and defenders. It should still be visible, but I think something more like cosmic anoms. Still blatantly obvious if you bother to pull up your scanner, but requires a minimum of attention. |
502 Bad Gateway
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:36:00 -
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Yet another form of Taxation our Nullsec alliances will impose on us. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2602
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:37:00 -
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Can I drop a ESS at a POS anchoring spot, then drop a POS there and online it?
I assume a ratter could drop a ESS right by an alt's ship. If a hostile is incoming, hit the share button, burn out of the bubble and warp. No need to wait around if you hit the share button. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Chalur Dallocort
Fairweather Ice Cream Co Insidious Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:38:00 -
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502 Bad Gateway wrote:Yet another form of Taxation our Nullsec alliances will impose on us. Says the guy in a noob corp. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5933
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:41:00 -
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The problems with this implementation basically boil down to two major issues:
1) Interceptors exist
Interceptors are currently bubble immune and cannot be locked before they warp off. They invalidate nearly any defense you'd put up to guard your ESS. A lot of the balance here assumes you can guard it, which isn't really the case. There's no real viable way to kill an interceptor before it gets there, and with the ability of the interceptor to steal, warp out, and warp back in in 40s to get its tags the inty is virtually unkillable. This may be more of an issue that giving bubble immunity to interceptors was simply a mistake, but it makes the intended balance here not work.
2) A massive inbalance in the risk/reward that makes it a bad bet
You're asking people to risk 15% of their income for a 5% boost. That's a bad bet, especially considering point 1: you can't really do anything to affect the odds. You're going to wind up in the red most of the time, and 5% is not enough for people to want to play this game. Plus, the fact you are dumb enough to deploy an ESS means you're suddenly going to get a lot more interceptors in your space and you will lose a lot more often: word will spread about the people dumb enough to drop ESS that you can steal from and interceptors will decend on your space, losing you the money you risked for the ess, and losing you the money you'd have made while you safe up because hostiles are in your ratting system.
"I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
Beidorion eldwardan
Corporation Danmark Tactical Narcotics Team
8
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:42:00 -
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Dear CCP " i dont give a rats behind about the nulsec playerbase " unless they are the pirates
( this is just asilly idea beyond belief )
and now to contractive questions
please put a cool down on the payout 5+ minutes otherwise the completely OP interceptors will suck dry the ESS's all over eve
please incluede all of eve in this silly idea and see how your high sec carebears will scream your forums full.
and please state the intended price level and seize of this module - due to the level of problems this silly thing is going to cause it schould NOT be usable by a frigate
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