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Johann Rascali
Crunchy Crunchy The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:08:00 -
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Can we have an option to show them on the starmap (like active cynos) so we know where to intercept our free isk? Welcome to our universe where cooldown timers are a mystery, the PLEX menu is just an advertisement, shrapnel bombs deal explosive force, concussion bombs are somehow kinetically penetrative, and who left all these prototype Inferno modules all over the place? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5316
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:09:00 -
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Sal Landry wrote:So Odyssey killed hacking and archaeology sites, and rubicon nerfs basic anomaly ratting. Presumably the next expansion will include a deployable allowing you to warp directly on top of someone in a deadspace pocket. If by killed you mean "Done by far more people, more often, than before", then sure. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Pufferfish Lemoncurry
Shadow Runners. The Fire Nation Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:09:00 -
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As a high-sec carebear I laugh at your antics at for me absolutely meaningless deployable addition to game. Have fun fighting your pointless fights in under 0.4. More peace for me. |
Cori Fera
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:10:00 -
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Questions no one has asked yet:
Does the owner of the ESS get a time/date and bounty collected by pilot log? If they do, do they have to go to the ESS to get it, or does it show up as some sort of notification? Will it show the type of ship the used to collect the bounty? |
Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:11:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:If by killed you mean "Done by far more people, more often, than before", then sure. That's exactly what I mean actually, since they're so widely done by week old characters that the loot is now effectively worthless compared to basically any other pve activity. |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
364
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:14:00 -
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Sal Landry wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:If by killed you mean "Done by far more people, more often, than before", then sure. That's exactly what I mean actually, since they're so widely done by week old characters that the loot is now effectively worthless compared to basically any other pve activity. actually a 4 day toon can now do the same sigs, within the same amount of time, my specialized toons were doing pre-odyssey
still wondering wy i even botered spending weeks (months?) skilling it, since it's now wasted |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
10862
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:15:00 -
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Nom nom nom!
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Kadl
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
65
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:16:00 -
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I am still interested in potentially manufacturing the ESS.
The complaints seem to be geared around interceptors scooping the contents too fast. Wouldn't just requiring the thief to be uncloaked and within a reasonable range for 3-5 seconds be enough to make the situation dangerous for interceptors. That might suggest different requirements for deploying the can, or making the can slower to open and loot (different type of can). It seems that those balance options should be available to CCP. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
757
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:16:00 -
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Also can we please get some believable lore behind this.
This goes back to the article Svetlana Scarlet wrote on TMC a while back about CCP adding unbelievable lore into everything to try and rationalise or explain game mechanics changes. Ignoring the fact that the ESS isn't a useful item the lore and story behind it is unbelievable and weak.
If CONCORD don't want to keep on paying Capsuleers as much ISK they would just lower the bounties, not go "Well we said we would pay you 1,000,000 ISK but we decided to keep 5% for ourselves because you earn so much". If it's an attempt to build heat from Capsuleers towards CONCORD it could be done in a much more realistic and enjoyable way than as a blanket of lore to try and explain a modification in game mechanics.
More believable would be "CONCORD has announced it's lowering values of bounties paid in lawless systems due to the lack of thread pirates there pose on Empire space."
If you want to build on the idea that Capsuleers are becoming a threat and we're overstepping our bounds why not remove the -5% nerf and make the lore that by using the modules we our hacking CONCORDS bounty systems and manipulating them to bring ourselves more ISK. Now you have a system where the players choose undermine CONCORDs authority and screw them over. You could make five modules CONCORD, Caldari, Gallente, Amarr & Minmatar having the Empire ones add LP to kills and we're messing with the LP payment systems of the Empires to overstep our place with them, the CONCORD one being % buff to ISK instead of LP.
Above you have lore and story along the "Capsuleers are revolting" theme you seem to be working on as well as a boost to income for NullSec. There are still many issues with the ESS itself like letting just anyone steal from it. A more interesting system would be we gain the rewards if it's active but hostile forces can incapacitate it which then reduces the systems income by 10% here is the "fields and fires" theory spoken about so many years ago.
Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |
greiton starfire
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:17:00 -
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Nirnaeth Ornoediad wrote:Just what null-sec needs: another nerf to ratting.
Solo interceptors are just going to flit around null-sec picking up money tags from people foolish enough to deploy these. The bubble won't even slow them down: they'll be able to warp to zero at the ESS.
exactly this, This new deployable looks like somebody came up with a way for alliances/coalitions to better tax their renters, but then someone butted in and said "no we should make even more ways for null sec players lose their isk to people who need to take little to no risk taking it"
seriously, interceptors make these stupid to even try to put out. if one guy patrols the space every 20 mins you have no chance of making 100% isk. and with this kind of incentive i would venture they will be very very common. hell i'll do it for free isk that's easier than ratting. |
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Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
476
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:18:00 -
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My tear cup before ESS.
My tear cup after ESS.
Time for an upgrade. Free Ripley Weaver! |
Jacque Custeau
Knights of the Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:18:00 -
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I am not really sure what the point of rubicon is? I thought the point was to force people to pay attention to otherwise afk activities like moon mining and reactions. Ratting is an activity you have to be logged in for, so not quite the same. I would be fine with a 5% nerf to bounties, but the ESS idea seems so arbitrary and absurdly complex. It doesn't seem like it was thought through well enough. Does this mean we will see a mining deployable in the future, something that siphons your ore?
ESS needs a big advantage for people to deploy it. Make it decloak everyone in system and then we'll talk |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
4729
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:20:00 -
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Everyone is so afraid of interceptors. lol
These new modules are great. Keep them coming.
As far as those whining about them and new POS stuff. Look, CCP gets it. We want a POS revamp. Do you honestly believe that the time it took to make all the deployables that have come out so far, come close to 1% of the time it will take to do a POS revamp? All of these small deployables are most likely a test bed and such for such a POS rewrite. Sure give feedback and opinions on the deployables and what you envision a POS should be, but keep it constructive.
Anyways, I like what you have been doing so far CCP. Just make sure no structure mails are sent out with anything new. Those things just promote lazyness and blobbing. . |
Georgiy Giggle
REFORD Division REFORD
78
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:20:00 -
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Do not decrease bounty from 100% to 95%, and maybe ESS idea will live. Other way nobody will use it. And DEVs will lose respect from many carebears.
Or... should we block Jita again, lol? Not mastering proprieties, won't become firmly established. - Confucius |
Garnoo
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
90
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:20:00 -
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just make ESS lowsec only, and with ability to generate 10-20% bounties, mayby this will make lowsec more pupulated by carebears and thanks to them by...pvpers hunting them People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back - this is EvE |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5316
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:21:00 -
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seth Hendar wrote:Sal Landry wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:If by killed you mean "Done by far more people, more often, than before", then sure. That's exactly what I mean actually, since they're so widely done by week old characters that the loot is now effectively worthless compared to basically any other pve activity. actually a 4 day toon can now do the same sigs, within the same amount of time, my specialized toons were doing pre-odyssey still wondering wy i even botered spending weeks (months?) skilling it, since it's now wasted None of which upholds the assertion that those professions are dead. Wildly popular and widely done, yes... but not dead. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
804
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:23:00 -
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I really want to be constructive here, CCP, but what in the unholy **** were you smoking when you devised this rube goldberg crap?
There are tons of issues in nullsec right now. Capital issues you're putting off for possibly years, a tedious sovereignty system, a POS system that needs a serious overhaul, utterly broken interceptors (that turn your stupid ESS into a loot pinata for any inty gang that knows where to find it), taking away income from ratters, who from my few years of playing this game are SORT OF KINDA AT THE BOTTOM of the economic food chain in nullsec. Nodbody, no renter, nobody from deklein to delve to Kevla to cobalt edge should want your glorified undefended tip jar.
Don't push this thing into tranquility. Please, don't. I've generally been on board with CCP changes over the last year or two, but this takes the cake as the dumbest damned thing I've ever seen you do, and I've read about tracking titans and remote AOE doomsdays.
What happened to farms and fields and handling top-down income? Why don't you deal with the fact that alliances need to finance themselves with renter empires? I guess you're too busy thinking, damn, the average nullsec line member needs to have his income reduced and/or put at further risk, as if uncatchable interceptor gangs weren't enough.
If I had a plane ticket and passport I think I'd travel to iceland just to take a dump on your front porch if this goes live, CCP. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
916
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:23:00 -
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GallowsCalibrator wrote:At first glance, the ESS looks like a bit of a kick in the teeth to the three or four people left ratting in nullsec. The likelihood of anyone hitting 'share' is going to be about 0, so they're probably just going to get shot on principal. So it's pretty much a perpetual nerf to nullsec income, again.
Edit: The ESS should really, really be available in all areas of space (especially hisec) then it'll be interesting. And should have MUCH higher rewards for deployment to make it worthwhile.
I fully agree with this post, the module should be sec status independent and deployable everywhere. It might spawn a new micro profession in which pilots fly around known mission hubs looking for these modules to destroy or even deploying them themselves.
Also I've never supported those who argue that highsec is better than null sec (and as such high sec needs a nerf) but this does seem like a kick in the teeth to null sec to me if thay is the only region that they can be deployed in. Can we have a dev response as to why these units can only be deployed in null sec. Other than that I like the unit and the thinking behind it, I just wish we could deploy them everywhere. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Anariasis
Boris Johnson's Love Children
34
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:23:00 -
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Really looking forward to the ESS. Everytime we get a new WH into a system with ratters there's either the option to go stealing or setup an own one - and maybe get a fight.
I don't get the problems people seem to have with interceptors setting up the ESS or stealing from them. Let me address a few of the possible situations.
- If CCP wants to avoid interceptors deploying the units, just make them too big for their cargo. They all got <100m-¦ of space, which of course can be boosted quite a bit (373m-¦ max I guess) but yeah, then the interceptor has lost quite some fighting capabilities.
- If an single enemy enters the system and drops an ESS, you can do what you do now anyway: stop ratting until he's gone. Or get intel what he's flying (shouldn't be too hard, you have intel channels, scanners, a POS/station to exchange ships), get in a proper pvp ship and blast his ESS. Minus 30 million for him. Done.
- If an enemy fleet drops an ESS in your system, do what you do now anyway. Stop ratting. Destroy the thing when they are gone. Or get some friends and defend your space!
- Single enemy in an interceptor tries to steal the tags. Well, from the moment he enters system you got approx. a minute to get to the ESS. If you didn't place the ESS stupidly close to the gate where he enters but close to your POS (as close as CCP allows), you will most likely make it. And then it's you in a sensor boosted anti-frig ship vs. an interceptor. Both waiting for a can to spawn to which the inty most likely needs to burn first... Did I mention you shouldn't rat alone in system. It might be even you and a few corpmates vs the inty trying to steal
- Enemy fleet enters your ratting system and empties your ESS. Your intel has messed up, you deserve the loss.
- WH spawns into your system with active people behind. You really want to have an ESS deployed then already, or one just might pop up at the WH and you won't have fun finding out what else lurks behind it ;)
There's s.th. seriously wrong with risk vs reward in ratting though. The ISK/h should be 0.0 Ratting >>> FW > HS Incursions. |
Longdrinks
Love Squad Black Legion.
18
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:24:00 -
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Looking forward to these as a way to maybe force a fight from bears who usually dock up untill i leave system. |
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Esteban Dragonovic
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:25:00 -
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If you're trying to nerf null income then just do it. Don't beat around the bush with this kind of crap. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5316
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:26:00 -
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greiton starfire wrote:Nirnaeth Ornoediad wrote:Just what null-sec needs: another nerf to ratting.
Solo interceptors are just going to flit around null-sec picking up money tags from people foolish enough to deploy these. The bubble won't even slow them down: they'll be able to warp to zero at the ESS. exactly this, This new deployable looks like somebody came up with a way for alliances/coalitions to better tax their renters, but then someone butted in and said "no we should make even more ways for null sec players lose their isk to people who need to take little to no risk taking it" seriously, interceptors make these stupid to even try to put out. if one guy patrols the space every 20 mins you have no chance of making 100% isk. and with this kind of incentive i would venture they will be very very common. hell i'll do it for free isk that's easier than ratting. Since you'll know EXACTLY where that ceptor will be, and will even get a notification when he starts his rounds, you would have to be completely inept to not be able to lay a trap and kill him.
Or flip that coin and plant your own module in someone elses ratting space. You KNOW they'll show up to kill it.
Seriously... think about the possibilities. The value of these module lies beneath the surface. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
392
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:26:00 -
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Longdrinks wrote:Looking forward to these as a way to maybe force a fight from bears who usually dock up untill i leave system.
What makes you think that will happen?
They won't anchor them because the ESS helps you more than it helps them. If you anchor one they'll still stay docked up until you leave, then blow up the ESS and go back to ratting. |
Antisun
Pervicax Socium
2
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:26:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Hmm.
How about: Cash out/share only by the corp/alliance of the person who dropped it. With the addition of being able to hack it, to get a spew of tags?
That should slow down the interceptors a little.
Came here to say this; remove the notification to give the hacker a fighting chance though. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
4730
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:27:00 -
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Literally 95% of the naysayers in this thread so far are Goonswarm Federation. So here is a message for you guys, maybe you missed it.
You do not have to use the ESS if you do not want to.
mind = blown . |
Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
392
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:28:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote: You do not have to use the ESS if you do not want to.
And you're utterly missing the point which is that nobody would want to.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
4730
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:29:00 -
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Antisun wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Hmm.
How about: Cash out/share only by the corp/alliance of the person who dropped it. With the addition of being able to hack it, to get a spew of tags?
That should slow down the interceptors a little. Came here to say this; remove the notification to give the hacker a fighting chance though. That does sound interesting actually. Didn't they talk/actually remove the 'spew' thing though?
Regardless, having a guy setup to murder interceptors chill at the ESS while his buddies rat seems like a good idea. . |
greiton starfire
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:29:00 -
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Kadl wrote:I am still interested in potentially manufacturing the ESS.
The complaints seem to be geared around interceptors scooping the contents too fast. Wouldn't just requiring the thief to be uncloaked and within a reasonable range for 3-5 seconds be enough to make the situation dangerous for interceptors. That might suggest different requirements for deploying the can, or making the can slower to open and loot (different type of can). It seems that those balance options should be available to CCP.
interceptors dont cloak, they just cant be bubbled and have the highest speed of any ship in eve. they can get in system, align, and warp before you start getting your ship aligned. dscan allows them to bounce around and see if anything is on the ess that could hurt them fast enough. if they fit a cyno they can bring in people to drop whoever was dumb enough to sit in the bubble trying to defend the ess. if no one is in the bubble all they have to do is get in right click take all warp out. being a frigate they might not even be locked in time. so pretty much in order for a nullsec group to use it they have to have guys sit in antifrigate ships and have backup on hand incase of a drop. the benefit of using one will never be enough for a group to go through all that effort, so let's call it what it is a nerf to null sec income and a shiny new deployable warp bubble. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8331
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:30:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I really want to be constructive here, CCP, but what in the unholy **** were you smoking when you devised this rube goldberg crap?
There are tons of issues in nullsec right now. Capital issues you're putting off for possibly years, a tedious sovereignty system, a POS system that needs a serious overhaul, utterly broken interceptors (that turn your stupid ESS into a loot pinata for any inty gang that knows where to find it), taking away income from ratters, who from my few years of playing this game are SORT OF KINDA AT THE BOTTOM of the economic food chain in nullsec. Nodbody, no renter, nobody from deklein to delve to Kevla to cobalt edge should want your glorified undefended tip jar.
Don't push this thing into tranquility. Please, don't. I've generally been on board with CCP changes over the last year or two, but this takes the cake as the dumbest damned thing I've ever seen you do, and I've read about tracking titans and remote AOE doomsdays.
What happened to farms and fields and handling top-down income? Why don't you deal with the fact that alliances need to finance themselves with renter empires? I guess you're too busy thinking, damn, the average nullsec line member needs to have his income reduced and/or put at further risk, as if uncatchable interceptor gangs weren't enough.
If I had a plane ticket and passport I think I'd travel to iceland just to take a dump on your front porch if this goes live, CCP. This, absolutely this. My EVE Videos |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5318
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:30:00 -
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Innominate wrote:Marlona Sky wrote: You do not have to use the ESS if you do not want to.
And you're utterly missing the point which is that nobody would want to. Simple minds..... To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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