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HerrBert
V0LTA Triumvirate.
343
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Posted - 2014.01.14 23:32:00 -
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So new "deployable" to maximize profit (ESS)... or the magic box of mighty bob? M-Bomb
Imagine an incoming nullsec, imagine "possed" up ratter in that null! Drop ESS/M-Bomb see what happens. Could get pretty magical .... but i am just sitting in null...
Quote:First some basic mechanics:
4 versions, one for each of the major empire races NPC supplied, 30 million isk each (better recycle those) 150,000 Health GÇô 90,000 Structure, 30,000 Shields & Armour (can take a punch) Cannot be deployed nearby Stations, Stargates or Starbases (CAN BE DEPLOYED NEAR WORMHOLES) Can only be scooped by the player that initially placed it (...) Shows in overview as a warpable structure to all pilots in system (great right where you want them) Anyone can access it (Corpmates guarantee full coverage)
The ESS has a warp bubble with a radius of 15km. Warping to the ESS brings you to the edge of the bubble. This warp bubble has exactly the same functionality as a normal one. (speechless) Whenever a ship warps to the ESS, a broadcast is made in local informing everyone in the system that player X is in the vicinity of the ESS. This triggeres even if the approaching ship is cloaked.(ha i figured out why wormhole wabble)
Might work a couple of times. (). That's actually a pretty nice mechanic, kinda. I applaude CCP! GREAT JOB! My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
The Pontiff of Wormholes http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3360
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Posted - 2014.01.15 00:14:00 -
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It is a good concept, but isn't implemented terribly well:
The current incarnation:
You risk 15% of your pay to earn an extra 5-10%. That's not a very good return to encourage their use.
It takes 20s to activate it, at which point you can choose steal. Forty seconds after that it jetisions a can with the isk-tag in it. All in all, the locals would have 70-90s to stop a thief in an inty from running off with the isk-tag. That isn't anywhere close to a reasonable response opportunity for the locals.
Alternatively, the locals can leave a noobship sitting on one of these, and instantly click share bounties the moment a hostile enters system.
In the end, this simply isn't a conflict driver in its current implementation. It really needs to pay out a bit more (115% perhaps), and most importantly, it NEEDS to have a 3-5 minute activition time with a 3-5 minute drop-the-loot time. Finally, to insure the noobship on the ESS doesn't happen, give a limited amount of time to make the share or steal choice, after which a ship must leave grid and come back in order to activate it again. Then it would be a viable tool! |
HerrBert
V0LTA Triumvirate.
343
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Posted - 2014.01.15 01:39:00 -
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do we have smart people in wormholes that can make this work? My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
The Pontiff of Wormholes http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |
Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
147
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Posted - 2014.01.15 02:01:00 -
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Ehhhh, but sleepers don't have bounties. |
Ori Muvila
Armax Arsenal. Clandestine.
2
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Posted - 2014.01.15 04:02:00 -
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Yeah, cant see this affecting anything in wormholes, as the above poster mentioned, sleepers have no bounties. Now, randomly dropping these thru nullsec system when connected. could be entertaining. |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
724
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Posted - 2014.01.15 04:11:00 -
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Sounds like we can use them to go fishing in null.
Wormhole Minister of High Society @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
Senn Denroth
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
161
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Posted - 2014.01.15 04:14:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: It is a good concept, but isn't implemented terribly well:
The current incarnation:
You risk 15% of your pay to earn an extra 5-10%. That's not a very good return to encourage their use.
It takes 20s to activate it, at which point you can choose steal. Forty seconds after that it jetisions a can with the isk-tag in it. All in all, the locals would have 70-90s to stop a thief in an inty from running off with the isk-tag. That isn't anywhere close to a reasonable response opportunity for the locals.
Alternatively, the locals can leave a noobship sitting on one of these, and instantly click share bounties the moment a hostile enters system.
In the end, this simply isn't a conflict driver in its current implementation. It really needs to pay out a bit more (115% perhaps), and most importantly, it NEEDS to have a 3-5 minute activition time with a 3-5 minute drop-the-loot time. Finally, to insure the noobship on the ESS doesn't happen, give a limited amount of time to make the share or steal choice, after which a ship must leave grid and come back in order to activate it again. Then it would be a viable tool!
Fail.
Jack Tronic wrote:Ehhhh, but sleepers don't have bounties.
FAIL.
Finally something to get the carebears to contribute to the game. |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
63
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Posted - 2014.01.15 04:58:00 -
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Eh, I think the concept of the ESS is flawed anyway, so finding a way to implement a flawe |
Ori Muvila
Armax Arsenal. Clandestine.
2
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Posted - 2014.01.15 07:42:00 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote:Sounds like we can use them to go fishing in null.
I like your style, cloaky snipers at 50km? |
D3m0n sam
End-of-Line
35
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Posted - 2014.01.15 08:01:00 -
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Ori Muvila wrote:Proclus Diadochu wrote:Sounds like we can use them to go fishing in null.
I like your style, cloaky snipers at 50km?
I'm thinking more about the idea of blops, if said person decides to warp to the ESS in something stupid. |
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Ori Muvila
Armax Arsenal. Clandestine.
2
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Posted - 2014.01.15 08:49:00 -
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D3m0n sam wrote:Ori Muvila wrote:Proclus Diadochu wrote:Sounds like we can use them to go fishing in null.
I like your style, cloaky snipers at 50km? I'm thinking more about the idea of blops, if said person decides to warp to the ESS in something stupid.
True, Bombers always need practice |
HerrBert
V0LTA Triumvirate.
345
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Posted - 2014.01.15 08:55:00 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote:Sounds like we can use them to go fishing in null.
MFU? ... Mobile Fishing Unit? My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
The Pontiff of Wormholes http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |
Winthorp
Sky Fighters
592
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Posted - 2014.01.15 09:46:00 -
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This will be a boost to your income now your a null overlord Bert, you won't need to take as many tech moons as you first thought. -1 But click like so i can beat Banes likes.-á |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
610
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Posted - 2014.01.15 09:51:00 -
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So if you warp a 250 odd player fleet to it, it announces every player in local? Without a lot of precautions thats gonna cause no end of issues. |
D3m0n sam
End-of-Line
35
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Posted - 2014.01.15 10:14:00 -
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Rroff wrote:So if you warp a 250 odd player fleet to it, it announces every player in local? Without a lot of precautions thats gonna cause no end of issues.
Jita Local Everyday. |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
162
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Posted - 2014.01.15 12:10:00 -
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Rroff wrote:So if you warp a 250 odd player fleet to it, it announces every player in local? Without a lot of precautions thats gonna cause no end of issues.
It announces the first person than goes into cool down for a certain amount of time so it doesn't spam Blue-Fire Best Fire |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Polarized.
1296
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Posted - 2014.01.15 13:20:00 -
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Seems to me that the EES will only be used by people trying to bait and i doubt many null sec ratter with use these.
If you open up into a ratting system and anchor one of these things, the majority of people would probably dock up until your wormhole closes. +1 |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
69
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Posted - 2014.01.15 13:40:00 -
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I think it'll be like everything else - environmentally dependant. Drop it in NPC null or rancer and you will get some action - maybe even stomped on. Drop it in providence and eventually a fleet will be cobbled together to remove it. Drop it deep deep in rainbow renter null and most likely get nothing. It's a tool like any other.
I'm surprised 'cloaky snipers at 50km' and blops bombers are the only actual ideas posted. As a group we could be called 'risk averse' if that is our only idea as to their use.
To save some wh pvp face I propose the following:
pop out of wh drop tax thinger doodle declare loudly the tax man is here and there is nothing you can do about it plant you fleet and feet on the thing and wait for them to come. kill them all explain on various boards that wh pvp >>>> null pvp link your proof and poke them in the ribs repeatedly let boys be boys
There are some groups in wh space that want epic fights. Use this tool to get some. It may turn out to be the ultimate deployable failure, BUT I will garantee at least a few epic fights around these little gizzies. You can be the wh corp that reads about it or the wh corp that posts the video. |
D3m0n sam
End-of-Line
35
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Posted - 2014.01.15 13:43:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:I think it'll be like everything else - environmentally dependant. Drop it in NPC null or rancer and you will get some action - maybe even stomped on. Drop it in providence and eventually a fleet will be cobbled together to remove it. Drop it deep deep in rainbow renter null and most likely get nothing. It's a tool like any other.
I'm surprised 'cloaky snipers at 50km' and blops bombers are the only actual ideas posted. As a group we could be called 'risk averse' if that is our only idea as to their use.
To save some wh pvp face I propose the following:
pop out of wh drop tax thinger doodle declare loudly the tax man is here and there is nothing you can do about it plant you fleet and feet on the thing and wait for them to come. kill them all explain on various boards that wh pvp >>>> null pvp link your proof and poke them in the ribs repeatedly let boys be boys
There are some groups in wh space that want epic fights. Use this tool to get some. It may turn out to be the ultimate deployable failure, BUT I will garantee at least a few epic fights around these little gizzies. You can be the wh corp that reads about it or the wh corp that posts the video.
Most perfect plan ever. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
469
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Posted - 2014.01.15 18:05:00 -
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Thing I don't understand: What happens with multiple ESS out? Does it say anything regarding that? The ESS aren't avaiable as of last time I checked for experimenting, but I'd really welcome the option of dropping 5 ESS to nearly shutdown a ratting system. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
Moving pictures: The Enyo |
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1256
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Posted - 2014.01.15 18:31:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: You risk 15% of your pay to earn an extra 5-10%. That's not a very good return to encourage their use.
If we take not using an ESS as the baseline....
You risk 15.8% of your pay in order to make an extra 5.2%-10.5%
Of course, its not you taking the risk, as anyone, corp mate, alliance mate, +5 blue, neutral, pirate, alt can place one weather you like it or not. I can see this being a source of conflict/anger between friendly entities.
This could be a sizable consolation prize for roaming gangs that get reported in intel and don't catch anyone, but are fast enough to get there before a defense fleet is organized. Anyone who sticks around to disburse the payout with inbound hostiles will be a sitting duck. When you have multiple ratters, 15% of all bounties can be quite a lot, even if the pool is only an hour or two old.
Ultimately the whole thing is a nerf to nullsec ratting. You have a 5% baseline nerf, plus additional incentive for roamers to disrupt ratting, the means for your bounties to get taken by a blue, and and a penalty for those that are disorganized, or choose to dock up and wait for the hostiles to leave. If you want to avoid all those things, you have to take the 5% loss with no compensation. It rewards those who are well organized or are in defensible space where roaming gangs won't go. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
78
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:46:00 -
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Quote: It rewards those who are well organized or are in defensible space where roaming gangs won't go. Except maybe us wormholers? Lets say you scan the static find a wormhole to they defensible space you are talking about with an active ess in it. What keeps us from sending a bait ship to it to claim it all, with on the other side of the hole a fleet in wait. If no one reacts to stealing the tags, you get isk, if they do you get pvp. Would be a bit like a cyno bait.
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Lydia vanPersie
Love Squad Black Legion.
25
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Posted - 2014.01.15 23:36:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Thing I don't understand: What happens with multiple ESS out? Does it say anything regarding that? The ESS aren't avaiable as of last time I checked for experimenting, but I'd really welcome the option of dropping 5 ESS to nearly shutdown a ratting system.
One per system. If it is destroyed, the unclaimed pool will carry over to the next one anchored in that system. If it is scooped (assuming only the person who dropped it can do so), the pool resets to zero. (^; |
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