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Leigh Akiga
Laissez-faire Economics
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Posted - 2014.01.15 01:29:00 -
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As thread title suggests- I am curious what the current L4 king is? Probably in Caldari space/The Forge/Motsu and SOE area. It used to be Tengus and Ravens pre-HML nerf, and if it is something retardedly high-skilled like a Marauder- what is the next best thing? |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
279
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Posted - 2014.01.15 01:37:00 -
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Rattlesnake is L4 king. |
Leigh Akiga
Laissez-faire Economics
493
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Posted - 2014.01.15 01:40:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:Rattlesnake is L4 king.
Even with all the crazy drone aggro changes? How is that handled? |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2014.01.15 01:51:00 -
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golem or vargur with bastion and mjd is king of the hill in my opinion |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1057
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Posted - 2014.01.15 01:54:00 -
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Leigh Akiga wrote:Ireland VonVicious wrote:Rattlesnake is L4 king. Even with all the crazy drone aggro changes? How is that handled?
Sentry drones, the rattler is good and so is the domi, and the new nestor also seems like it's going to be a strong sentry platform. The marauders are all also really good in level 4 missions, and faction battleship also perform very well.
Hard to say which ship is the absolute best mission boat, it depends on the pirate faction you are mostly fighting and how much isk you are willing to throw into the ship. Low budget, sentry boats seem to out perform everything else, and if the shy is the limit faction battleships are probably your best choice, with marauders being somewhere in between. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Leigh Akiga
Laissez-faire Economics
493
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Posted - 2014.01.15 01:59:00 -
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So then how are the sentry drones micro-managed? Dont they get constantly attacked? |
Rexxorr
Zero Corp Tax2
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Posted - 2014.01.15 02:00:00 -
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For making isk, a paladin or vargur (loot/salvage as you mission).
For lp blitzing, Tengu or one of the pirate battleships.
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dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1057
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Posted - 2014.01.15 02:04:00 -
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Leigh Akiga wrote:So then how are the sentry drones micro-managed? Dont they get constantly attacked?
If you are paying attention aggro is really not a problem, you can recall and redeploy the drone that get aggro when needed, and most of the time you can just kill the ships that aggro the drones before they get close enough to do any real damage. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
255
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Posted - 2014.01.15 02:26:00 -
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Marauders with internet connection that isn't crap, so watch for disconnects. CNR still pretty good (though torps still suck donky d***). Domi's gotten better at being a solid budget Rattlesnake over the last few expansions (ship bonus, DDA's, Microwarp). Rattler is still rattling (though, it will be different after re-balance; could be good, could be bad). And I still hear good things from Napoc pilots, too. I left out tengu because not only did it loose a bit from the hml nerf, but it's also due for a major spanking from CCP soon. Navy and pirate ships are still up for rebalance so some may end up crappy afterwards and some may pull ahead. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1970
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:02:00 -
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Leigh Akiga wrote:So then how are the sentry drones micro-managed? Dont they get constantly attacked?
I love it when my sentries take aggro. I have an alt that often flies incursions. I keep an Ishtar in my orca for days when incursions are slow I can run a mission here and there. I have a DS small armor rr in the high. With it I can keep a sentry up under full room aggro most of the time. And if not just scoop that one and redeploy.
Personally I think the domi is the best bang for the buck overall. Great dps and tracking with sentries. Also selectable damage. No ammo usage yada yada. |
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dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1057
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:45:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Personally I think the domi is the best bang for the buck overall.
I think that is both the strength and "weakness" of the domi, it never really gets better then what you get with the T2 fit. The damage of the domi is decided but the number of drone damage amps you fit in the lows, which normally would be 2 or 3 depending on the mission.
Getting some faction/deadspace tank mods makes it easier to run with 3 drone damage amp, but it really not worth it considering price and the number of missions where it's actually useful.
I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
600
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Posted - 2014.01.15 07:49:00 -
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MJD and the domi can handle 4 DDAs giving it 800.x DPS with gardes out to silly ranges. The only minor concern is the guristas torp range, nothing else comes close to even chipping the paint before it dies in a fire.
It's not the fastest but in terms of bang for buck/bang for SP ratios...it's probably impossible to beat. |
Madmansreturn
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.01.15 10:50:00 -
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If ISK doesnt play a role. A well fitted Machariel. Otherwise use lazy tank Rattle or with good Drone Skills the cheap swiss army knife Domi.
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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
847
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Posted - 2014.01.15 11:24:00 -
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Madmansreturn wrote:If ISK doesnt play a role. A well fitted Machariel. Agreed,
I haven't found anything that does mission as fast, or with as little adjustment needed for each mission as my Auto-cannon Mach. with 1400dps, it never takes more than a minute to remove all frigs from a mission and start on the cruisers. With up to 2000m/s mobility I am always right where I need to be. Add to all that a full range of damage types. I can't imagine gimping myself into using anything else.
And for the occasional Gurista or Sansha mission I use an Arty Mach with 1000dps out to 130km.
And it is easy enough to tank up to 1400dps or more; or the smart move is to use a speed tank and never turn the shield tank on at all.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Utchia Ieda
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Posted - 2014.01.15 11:34:00 -
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I currently run dual Domi's for level 4s. Both run almost Identical setups with gardes out to 80k + 10k
- Fleet Warp in
- Drop both sets of drones (assign alts drones)
- Print ISk
It's almost laughable how quickly this setup clears missions, any extra time added on setting up/positioning is undone very quickly with another 700dps. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
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Posted - 2014.01.15 15:48:00 -
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There currently is no l4 king in the way that the machariel reigned as lvl 4 king in recent years. Proof seen here .
MJD and mobile depot have made all sentry ships much better. IMO the rattler is the de facto drone marauder, except with more HP.
Dominix is king for being easy, low profile, reliable, and effective at both low and high sp. 800dps gardes at 100km ? yes please.
Missile users have the phoon, fleet phoon, and CNR to play with. MJD + cruise and all that.
Marauders have the distinction of being able to permatank full room aggro with a 3 or sometimes 2 slot tank. They also are the least reliant on deadspace/faction mods to perform at a high level (although you'll want them for your 2 slot tank, lol). If you don't ever want to worried about being ganked, fly a relatively inexpensively fit marauder. The ewar immunity helps alot vs jamming, sensor damps, and tracking disruption, no so much vs neuting.
Machariel is still awesome. TE nerf means you have to do a bit more flying, but its still fast in speed and killing power, and is versatile. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1089
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Posted - 2014.01.15 21:56:00 -
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First of all there is the age old debate of "Blitzing vs Looting"
I don't blitz often because its not all that IMHO.
As far as running them, the Machariel is no longer King. It was never the best at everything but at one time it was the best at the most.
RS is great, but requires a lot of skills. It has exceptional tank but missions don't require exceptional tank. So you drop slots for utility and apply more DPS.
Fleet typhoon is incredible. Requires incredible ISK and incredible skills to apply the incredible DPS. Really fun to fly.
Vargur is so badass in Minmatar space. Not the highest bounty ticks but loots on the fly like a pro with decent bounty ticks. Learning how to run the missions so that something is always within the 48k tractor range is the hardest part.
Golem, same thing but not good in Minmatar space.
The non marauders require a noctis, otfen an alt.
When I do blitz, I love the Tengu. Fun to fly. Jack of all trades but master of none. A good friend of mine explained why he used a Tengu for every mission. "Its incredibly mediocre at everything. Which averages out to be as good as the ships that are good at one but bad at the other." Brit logic best logic. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1850
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Posted - 2014.01.15 23:38:00 -
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There is no King, just a lot of people with opinions flavored by their own bias. I like an MJD 'snake myself: sentry platform with cruise is hard to beat for long-range killing. Mine don't get attacked constantly at range; when they do, I tend to have a medium remote repper fit to take care of armor damage. I tend to fly this configuration either in Minmatar or Amarr space with Bouncer IIs. When I don't need that kind of firepower I really love a sentry Ishtar. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Judas Lonestar
Stryker Industries Ocularis Inferno
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Posted - 2014.01.16 06:37:00 -
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HAMgu, but meh to your range. Better fit an AB. But for damage application its pretty hard to beat those HAMs |
Dirk Massive
D.O.O.M.
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Posted - 2014.01.16 07:01:00 -
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I am sort of surprised not one person said the Kronos. The more I use mine, the more impressed I become. Bringing WAR and TERROR to a system near you.... |
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
495
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:53:00 -
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In Caldari space I fly my Paladin, Machariel, and Kronos almost exclusively now. My alt has perfect missile skills and well the golem/cnr are both pretty good, I just can't get into them. My favorite use is use a target painter to get aggro, and then launch auto-targeting missiles.
Paladin probably does the most work Having 48km tractor beams is awesome. plus that tachyon damage + range is insane, and the tank laughs at everything. Drones, EoM, Bloods, Sansha, Mercs, Enemies abound. Mach for zoom zoom (anomaly chain, angels extra, Right hand, the score, Dread Pirate) Kronos for Vengence (I don't really like this mission, but with insane Null range the first 2 rooms work out pretty well, and then you can MJD in the last room) and Intercept the Saboteurs (I'm not sure it is better/worse than AC mach here). You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
250
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:02:00 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:In Caldari space I fly my Paladin, Machariel, and Kronos almost exclusively now. My alt has perfect missile skills and well the golem/cnr are both pretty good, I just can't get into them. My favorite use is use a target painter to get aggro, and then launch auto-targeting missiles.
Paladin probably does the most work Having 48km tractor beams is awesome. plus that tachyon damage + range is insane, and the tank laughs at everything. Drones, EoM, Bloods, Sansha, Mercs, Enemies abound. Mach for zoom zoom (anomaly chain, angels extra, Right hand, the score, Dread Pirate) Kronos for Vengence (I don't really like this mission, but with insane Null range the first 2 rooms work out pretty well, and then you can MJD in the last room) and Intercept the Saboteurs (I'm not sure it is better/worse than AC mach here). In the same boat ( literally) Would you mind posting your paladin fit?
If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
495
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:07:00 -
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guns of the largest variety (usually tachyons, sometimes megapulse, I hear the cool kids use a mobile depot and hotswap in missions), bastion, 3 utility slots tracking comps, sensor booster, prop mod large rep, EANM, Damage control, 4 heatsinks Large Energy bust aerator II, ccc I You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
250
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:30:00 -
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Cheers running almost that, them big guns do sound cool. Different rigs and a cap injector in hold ( just in case). Nice.
Mobile depo is handy. If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
496
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:33:00 -
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my rigs used to be cccs as you couldn't easily fit the damage rig, and they more or less made it cap stable. then tach cap use got reduced and they buffed the paladin's cap, there was also some change to powergrid, and the huge buff to tank from bastion, and I just had to try throwing the damage rig on.
also I'm not in amarr space so I don't see neuts from npcs, and most of the missions are complete pushovers. maybe if I was doing longer/harder missions i'd have a cap mod somewhere. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Qalix
Long Jump.
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Posted - 2014.01.16 19:04:00 -
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I dual box a cruise raven and cruise typhoon. MJDs handle range issues, but I have no issues with using MWD on my BS either. I've run epic arcs and L4s with no issues, except for the occasional "i could have sworn i aligned in a different direction" moment. They are T2 fits and are cheap enough that I never worry about getting ganked, plus I use the extra ISK to PLEX the accounts and buy T3s for nullsec ninja activities. |
Tarsas Phage
Freight Club
245
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Posted - 2014.01.16 21:47:00 -
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Leigh Akiga wrote:As thread title suggests- I am curious what the current L4 king is? Probably in Caldari space/The Forge/Motsu and SOE area.
For what it's worth, Motsu is a ghost town now compared to 2 years ago. Agent rewards being pegged to the security status of the agent's system dropped the 0.9 system of Motsu off the map for Caldari Navy missions. Most people then migrated to Umokka or Arvasaras, which are both 0.5, and thus you get the maximum LP and ISK payout for a highsec agent. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
601
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Posted - 2014.01.16 22:05:00 -
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If I had a dollar for every thread posted in the past month asking what is the best level 4 ship....
There is no "best"... It all depends on how you want to fly and what you like. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2014.01.17 04:14:00 -
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Dirk Massive wrote:I am sort of surprised not one person said the Kronos. The more I use mine, the more impressed I become.
its a good ship and i didnt mention it because u cant choose your damage type like in the vargur or the golem. |
Incindir Mauser
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
345
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Posted - 2014.01.18 02:08:00 -
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Dirk Massive wrote:I am sort of surprised not one person said the Kronos. The more I use mine, the more impressed I become.
Shh... It's a sekrit. |
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