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dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1063
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Posted - 2014.01.18 02:39:00 -
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:Dirk Massive wrote:I am sort of surprised not one person said the Kronos. The more I use mine, the more impressed I become. its a good ship and i didnt mention it because u cant choose your damage type like in the vargur or the golem.
It's makes up for it in raw damage, it's a solid choice for running level 4 missions, even outside serp/guristas space.
There are many reasons to pick the vindicator over the kronos, especially if you plan on throwing a couple billions into the fitting, but the kronos still is a very good ship. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
279
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Posted - 2014.01.18 03:11:00 -
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Leigh Akiga wrote:Ireland VonVicious wrote:Rattlesnake is L4 king. Even with all the crazy drone aggro changes? How is that handled?
Yes, even with the drone aggro changes.
Sentry drones with high skills have zero issue in L4's if you pay even the smallest amount of attention.
Best anti gank BS in game.
Can pull off large amounts of landible dps with omni tank and high health pool. Cost about half other non T1 BS's. Can choose damage type and has zero issue v.s. ECM. It's so powerful you won't ever have to look at survival guides again. All that while having room for a prop mod.
Ganking L4 runners seems to be at an all time high right now due to sec status changes and destroyer buffs. Don't get caught with your pants down. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1979
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Posted - 2014.01.18 03:22:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:
Ganking L4 runners seems to be at an all time high right now in SOE mission hubs due to everyone flocking there to blitz SOE LP. Don't get caught with your pants down.
FTFY |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1063
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Posted - 2014.01.18 10:27:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:Rattlesnake is L4 king.
The changes to omni links is going to reduce the effectiveness of the rattlesnake. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Viviseciant
Kalypso Security Services Inc
2
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Posted - 2014.01.18 14:01:00 -
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Leigh Akiga wrote:So then how are the sentry drones micro-managed? They area a huge part of a drone boats dps so you have to watch the aggro they get. But.. Easy to manage imo. They don't get aggro all that often. And it seems to only be one at a time. If you're in a IV drop your sentries @ range & orbit one @ 1k. One gets aggro pull it and launch a fresh one or just let it set in the bay for a few secs. Relaunch. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1294
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Posted - 2014.01.18 16:51:00 -
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dexington wrote:Ireland VonVicious wrote:Rattlesnake is L4 king. The changes to omni links is going to reduce the effectiveness of the rattlesnake.
Its also hurt by the scope rig change. However, IMO the only thing this does is hurt the range at which gardes are effective. Its not a big deal for the other drone types in PVE. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
279
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Posted - 2014.01.18 18:09:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Ireland VonVicious wrote:
Ganking L4 runners seems to be at an all time high right now in SOE mission hubs due to everyone flocking there to blitz SOE LP. Don't get caught with your pants down.
FTFY
No thanks to that.
It's happening in more than SOE space right now. Although SOE space is the huge magnet due to the last expansion.
I know of two other mission hub areas that are experiencing spikes as well. Both nowhere near SOE space. |
Ivan St
Ascending Phoenix 2.0
5
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Posted - 2014.01.19 11:05:00 -
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*Sigh Well, what the "best" level 4 ship is depends on what your skills are at and how much you are willing to pay.
If it comes to overall performance, I'd say Bastion cruise Golem It gives you around 1000 dps and can easily tank pretty much any PVE sitation that does not involve Incursions or Sleepers. But it takes quite some time to skill for it and the ship itself isn't cheap either.
Rattlesnake Use cruise missiles and sentries, keep your distance and you'll be fine. Don't worry about your tank, you are flying one of the best subcap shield tank ships (if not THE best)
Raven navy issue Badass ship with badass damage output, good choice if you aren't making a run for rattlesnake/Golem
Tengu. Not much to say, excellent choice if you are new and don't have the skills to properly fit a battleship Your dps will be around 700, but you should be fine in level 4 missions, but DON'T try fighting level 4 missions where they have energy neuts. Tengus are usually just barely cap stable and won't last long once the shield booster stops working.
These are pretty much the (Caldari) Kings of Level 4. Of course, other races have very good level 4 ships as well, such as the whole range of Mauauders, the vindicator and some others. Missileboats have been the preferred level 4 ships because complicated stuff like angular velocity, radial velocity and falloff don't matter to them and they never miss the target as long as it is in range.
I agree that in PVP, you would prefer actual guns, but in PVE missiles are a lot easier to use |
Kiandoshia
Tetragorn SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1554
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Posted - 2014.01.19 12:05:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Madmansreturn wrote:If ISK doesnt play a role. A well fitted Machariel. Agreed, I haven't found anything that does mission as fast, or with as little adjustment needed for each mission as my Auto-cannon Mach. with 1400dps, it never takes more than a minute to remove all frigs from a mission and start on the cruisers. With up to 2000m/s mobility I am always right where I need to be. Add to all that a full range of damage types. I can't imagine gimping myself into using anything else. And for the occasional Gurista or Sansha mission I use an Arty Mach with 1000dps out to 130km. And it is easy enough to tank up to 1400dps or more; or the smart move is to use a speed tank and never turn the shield tank on at all.
1400dps, how exactly? |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1068
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Posted - 2014.01.19 12:24:00 -
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Kiandoshia wrote:Goldiiee wrote:Madmansreturn wrote:If ISK doesnt play a role. A well fitted Machariel. Agreed, I haven't found anything that does mission as fast, or with as little adjustment needed for each mission as my Auto-cannon Mach. with 1400dps, it never takes more than a minute to remove all frigs from a mission and start on the cruisers. With up to 2000m/s mobility I am always right where I need to be. Add to all that a full range of damage types. I can't imagine gimping myself into using anything else. And for the occasional Gurista or Sansha mission I use an Arty Mach with 1000dps out to 130km. And it is easy enough to tank up to 1400dps or more; or the smart move is to use a speed tank and never turn the shield tank on at all. 1400dps, how exactly?
4 gyros, T2 rig and 2 +5% damage implants does give 1400 dps in eft, projected dps is going to be less with the 4km optimal range. The same is true for the 1K arti fit, it has 20 km optimal, and you can't pick damage types with any of the fits. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
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Gimme more Cynos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
122
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Posted - 2014.01.19 12:50:00 -
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Ivan St wrote:RattlesnakeUse cruise missiles and sentries, keep your distance and you'll be fine. Don't worry about your tank, you are flying one of the best subcap shield tank ships (if not THE best)
No subcap can beat marauders on tank nowadays. |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
856
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Posted - 2014.01.19 12:51:00 -
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dexington wrote:4 gyros, T2 rig and 2 +5% damage implants does give 1400 dps in eft, projected dps is going to be less with the 4km optimal range. The same is true for the 1K arti fit, it has 20 km optimal, and you can't pick damage types with any of the fits.
Pretty close, If I use sentries (Rare opportunity) I can push the total DPS to nearly 1600. But thats only for a few missions where I land at 40 km from rats and have nothing better to do than sit a blap.
Yes optimal can be 4km, but with Guns you always fight in falloff. So a more accurate statement would be a minimum of half my dps reaches 62 km with Autos, and 113km with Artillery.
And Dex I am not sure what you mean 'Can't pick damage types'?
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1068
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Posted - 2014.01.19 13:02:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:And Dex I am not sure what you mean 'Can't pick damage types'?
Is projectile T2 ammo not always Kin/Exp? I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
856
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Posted - 2014.01.19 13:12:00 -
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dexington wrote:Goldiiee wrote:And Dex I am not sure what you mean 'Can't pick damage types'? Is projectile T2 ammo not always Kin/Exp? Yes that's right. But I still have RF Phased Plasma (Thermal), RF EMP (EMP), RF Fusion (Explosive) and the laughable RF Titanium Sabot (Kinetic, with a huge hit in DPS)
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Ivan St
Ascending Phoenix 2.0
5
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Posted - 2014.01.19 13:15:00 -
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Gimme more Cynos wrote:Ivan St wrote:RattlesnakeUse cruise missiles and sentries, keep your distance and you'll be fine. Don't worry about your tank, you are flying one of the best subcap shield tank ships (if not THE best) No subcap can beat marauders on tank nowadays. Sorry, wasn't specific: One of THE best non- maurauder subcap shield tank |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
613
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Posted - 2014.01.19 15:29:00 -
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Ivan St wrote:Gimme more Cynos wrote:Ivan St wrote:RattlesnakeUse cruise missiles and sentries, keep your distance and you'll be fine. Don't worry about your tank, you are flying one of the best subcap shield tank ships (if not THE best) No subcap can beat marauders on tank nowadays. Sorry, wasn't specific: One of THE best non- maurauder subcap shield tank
Also I'm not sure about a Rattlesnake since I don't fly one but if you're putting an uber tank on a Golem for level 4's you're fitting it wrong |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
497
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Posted - 2014.01.19 16:27:00 -
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Tarsas Phage wrote:Leigh Akiga wrote:As thread title suggests- I am curious what the current L4 king is? Probably in Caldari space/The Forge/Motsu and SOE area. For what it's worth, Motsu is a ghost town now compared to 2 years ago. Agent rewards being pegged to the security status of the agent's system dropped the 0.9 system of Motsu off the map for Caldari Navy missions. Most people then migrated to Umokka or Arvasaras, which are both 0.5, and thus you get the maximum LP and ISK payout for a highsec agent.
agent rewards have been pegged to sec status for far longer than 2 years. I guess it just took some people a LONG time to figure that out. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
613
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Posted - 2014.01.19 16:36:00 -
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dexington wrote:Kiandoshia wrote:Goldiiee wrote:Madmansreturn wrote:If ISK doesnt play a role. A well fitted Machariel. Agreed, I haven't found anything that does mission as fast, or with as little adjustment needed for each mission as my Auto-cannon Mach. with 1400dps, it never takes more than a minute to remove all frigs from a mission and start on the cruisers. With up to 2000m/s mobility I am always right where I need to be. Add to all that a full range of damage types. I can't imagine gimping myself into using anything else. And for the occasional Gurista or Sansha mission I use an Arty Mach with 1000dps out to 130km. And it is easy enough to tank up to 1400dps or more; or the smart move is to use a speed tank and never turn the shield tank on at all. 1400dps, how exactly? 4 gyros, T2 rig and 2 +5% damage implants does give 1400 dps in eft, projected dps is going to be less with the 4km optimal range. The same is true for the 1K arti fit, it has 20 km optimal, and you can't pick damage types with any of the fits.
+5 Garde II's I'm guessing |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
856
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Posted - 2014.01.19 16:55:00 -
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IIshira wrote:+5 Garde II's I'm guessing
[Machariel, Missions]
7x 800mm Repeating Cannon II (Hail L) Automated Targeting Unit I
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Gist A-Type X-Large Shield Booster Gist X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive Federation Navy Tracking Computer (Optimal Range Script)
4x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer 2x Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Damage Control II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
4x Garde II 5x Warrior II
[Statistics - Goldiiee]
Effective HP: 97,799 (Eve: 84,728) Tank Ability: 1,471.68 DPS Capacitor (Lasts 2m 43s) Volley Damage: 4,594.55 DPS: 1,434.72 With 5x warriors DPS: 1,597.21 With 4x Guards DPS: 1,800.79 With Heat and 4x Guards
[Implants - Mission Clone]
Slot 6: Inherent Implants 'Squire' Engineering EG-606 Slot 7: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Motion Prediction MR-706 Slot 9: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-906 Slot 10: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Large Projectile Turret LP-1006
There, I made it easy for the trolls.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Saracen Blade
The Devine Comedy
0
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Posted - 2014.01.19 18:39:00 -
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MJD Sentry Domi:
3 x T2 Drone link Augmentor Centum C-Type RR T2 Tractor Gattling Pulse Laser (aggro gun)
MJD/MWD (swap out when appropriate) F-90 Positional sensor subroutine/both scripts 3 xT2 Omnidirectional Tracking Links
T2 LAR 2 x C-Type Adaptive Platings/mission specifics, doesn't matter tbh 4 x T2 Drone Damage Amp
3 x Large Drone Scope Chip
gives Gardes 101km + 12km 800dps/3200 alpha gives Bouncers more optimal than you can target, 700dps/2800 alpha
Warp in, mjd out, drop gardes, kill frigs-cruiser-bc-bs....easy
probably the cheapest and one of the most effective sub marauder pve ships ive ever used. |
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dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1068
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Posted - 2014.01.19 19:51:00 -
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The sentry domi is a good mission boat, but it now where close to being the "king" of level 4 missions.
I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
613
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Posted - 2014.01.19 20:14:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:IIshira wrote:+5 Garde II's I'm guessing [Machariel, Missions] 7x 800mm Repeating Cannon II (Hail L) Automated Targeting Unit I Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Gist A-Type X-Large Shield Booster Gist X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive Federation Navy Tracking Computer (Optimal Range Script) 4x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer 2x Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Damage Control II Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Large Core Defense Field Extender II 4x Garde II 5x Warrior II [Statistics - Goldiiee] Effective HP: 108,145 (Eve: 93,472) Tank Ability: 1,485.47 DPS Capacitor (Lasts 2m 43s) Volley Damage: 4,594.55 DPS: 1,434.72 With 5x warriors DPS: 1,597.21 With 4x Guards DPS: 1,800.79 With Heat and 4x Guards [Implants - Mission Clone] Slot 6: Inherent Implants 'Squire' Engineering EG-606 Slot 7: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Motion Prediction MR-706 Slot 9: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-906 Slot 10: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Large Projectile Turret LP-1006 There, I made it easy for the trolls. Edit: Oops forgot a rig. added and fixed.
Very nice fit... I'm guessing about 4 bil?... I sure hope you're smart enough to be posting on a forum alt and not your mission pilot
How do the sentry drones work with having to burn in range of targets? Do the rats ignore them due to your putting out so much DPS with your guns?
Why the EG-606? It's not needed according to EFT unless I did something wrong |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2014.01.19 20:21:00 -
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tbh there is no real king of the hill anymore.
Rattle was mentioned before good boat. all Marauders are good l4 boats. Machariel is also a good l4 boat because of projectile and speed. Dominix is the best budget boat. Raven Navy great mission boat for range application and with rigors and flares also at damage on smaller targets. Typhoon same category as raven navy (not sure about damage). Tengu is seen by many ppl as mission blitzer (never tried so not sure).
Ships i dont like for missions. Hyperion, Tempest, Scorpion, Scorpion Navy (i prefer the Raven Navy Application boni, but might change), Armageddon. |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
858
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Posted - 2014.01.21 05:12:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Very nice fit... I'm guessing about 4 bil?... I sure hope you're smart enough to be posting on a forum alt and not your mission pilot How do the sentry drones work with having to burn in range of targets? Do the rats ignore them due to your putting out so much DPS with your guns? Why the EG-606? It's not needed according to EFT unless I did something wrong Yeah around 4 bil, and another 3.7bil? I think for implants.
I take extreme precautions, never just sit at the warp in, always fly in a fleet with an OGB and a cloaked Tackle/Buffer cruiser in system or in the last room, only drop a MTU (and BM) when I leave the room, and only fly in systems I know away from the gank magnet hubs.
For some missions, Blockade, Gone Berserk, Pirate Invasion and few others I can't remember off the top of my head I drop sentries to add to the overall dps as long as everything is approaching and outside the sentries optimal (different sentries depending on mission).
I have never noticed if the rats ignore my sentries, but missions like Vengeance, and Buzz Kill (Frig and Cruiser heavy) take me 10 to 15 minutes (Landing on gate to warp out). And the light drones only get launched if I screw up and miss a frig on approach (hardly ever happens) with the guns.
The EG-606 allows me to switch to artillery, without changing anything but the guns, a targeting range scripted Sebo, and a T1 auto-targeter for the two extra locks. And then I am dropping 15k volleys out past 130km; 7 solo guns one shot frigs, 2 gun groups (4 and 3) popping two cruisers at a time, and usually 2 groups and another one group for most BS's. Anything that gets inside 50 km I let the sentries clean up and keep shooting heavy stuff.
I also use the exact same rig & implant setup to FC/Run Incursions, so I am never in a predictable time and place to be used as a gank-bank payday.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Nicolai Xperte
No Fracks Givin Inc
30
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Posted - 2014.01.21 06:45:00 -
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For me Pre-Rubicon my Omni-Tank CNR was my goto missioner until Rubicon and the Bastion Module now my 1k+ dps Beam Pally. I don't always bring out my Absolution.
But when I do it makes the Blue's rage, lol. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
621
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Posted - 2014.01.21 10:09:00 -
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Nicolai Xperte wrote:For me Pre-Rubicon my Omni-Tank CNR was my goto missioner until Rubicon and the Bastion Module now my 1k+ dps Beam Pally.
The CNR is still nice but if you're fighting Sansha or Blood Raiders a tach paladin is pretty awesome. |
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
69
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Posted - 2014.01.21 14:21:00 -
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Gimme more Cynos wrote:Ivan St wrote:RattlesnakeUse cruise missiles and sentries, keep your distance and you'll be fine. Don't worry about your tank, you are flying one of the best subcap shield tank ships (if not THE best) No subcap can beat marauders on tank nowadays.
Passive the rattle can beat a marauder, active I believe you are 100% correct. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
337
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Posted - 2014.01.21 14:25:00 -
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For overall flexibility I would have to go with the Vargur. However the Golem, Mach, and Rattler are certainly contenders. |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
859
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Posted - 2014.01.21 14:55:00 -
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Noxisia Arkana wrote:Goldiiee wrote: Yeah around 4 bil, and another 3.7bil? I think for implants.
I take extreme precautions, never just sit at the warp in, always fly in a fleet with an OGB and a cloaked Tackle/Buffer cruiser in system or in the last room, only drop a MTU (and BM) when I leave the room, and only fly in systems I know away from the gank magnet hubs.. Are you crazy? Just keep d-scan up and watch for combat probes. Keeping another account logged in to save you is rediculous. IF you are at a huge mission hub ESPECIALLY SOE, yes, you may get ganked. Otherwise it looks like your jumping at shadows. I have been doing this for 4 years now, I don't jump at shadows, I don't fly what I can't afford to lose and I have never lost a ship to a Gank.
Anyone doing SOE LP, is asking to get ganked. Much easier and safer to make 1 million Concord LP in a week and use the LP exchange.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
477
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Posted - 2014.01.21 15:22:00 -
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I'd say King strongly depends... 8/10 times it's gonna be a marauder with a oneslot-tank and 14 Tracking Computers, the rest is either a machariel or a tengu/navy raven. Sort of missions influence the top choice significanty, as paladins hands down dominate the amarr-region and so on.
"I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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