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Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
64
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:10:00 -
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I have recently discovered an anomaly in the targeting subroutines of the sleeper drones. The specifics of the technique for initiating the crash in the sleeper targeting AI has been at this point classified by my CEO. I may be authorized to provide specifics if the sleepers are able to adapt to this issue in the near future.
At this point I have been able to completely clear several C2 and C3 sites without the sleeper drones targeting my vessel. The technique also appears viable in C4s, though I have not completed adequate data collection to confirm this. This complete failure in their AI suggests that they are not able to adapt to situation at least not instantly. Which suggest that they are not being controlled actively. I am very curious to see if the sleepers adapt to this at all, if they do it would suggest they are not completely dormant and possibly that the fact they allow capsuleers to settle Anoikis is not just because they lack the ability to evict us, but that they are actively allowing our presence.
I believe that depending on how the sleepers respond to this new tactic, we could finally receive proof as to whether the sleepers are in fact dormant or not.
I will keep you posted of my findings, and I would appreciate any information you may have on other sleeper anomalies. |
Sofia Roseburn
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
114
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Posted - 2014.01.15 16:03:00 -
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I trust you've informed the relevant authorities of your actions. They tend to frown upon unsanctioned activities such as this. If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |
Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
64
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Posted - 2014.01.15 17:43:00 -
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I notified CONCORD several days ago when I first noticed the extremely odd behavior, I have not yet heard back from them as to whether or not this discovery has been reported to them before. |
Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox
80
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Posted - 2014.01.15 18:21:00 -
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Dreygun wrote:I notified CONCORD several days ago when I first noticed the extremely odd behavior, I have not yet heard back from them as to whether or not this discovery has been reported to them before.
i hope we don't get CONCORD officials knocking on our door as a result |
Ollie Rundle
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
146
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:21:00 -
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Dreygun wrote:At this point I have been able to completely clear several C2, C3, and even a C4 site without the sleeper drones targeting my vessel. This complete failure in their AI suggests that they are not able to adapt to situation at least not instantly.
An interesting observation which - if independently verifiable - has interesting applications as you correctly note.
Forgive my ignorance but I note that the battlecruiser fits you seem to prefer rely solely on drones for damage output, boosted by modules that augment said damage and optimal firing solutions alongside those that increase the targeting range of your own ship's sensors.
Do your sentry drones also elude the Sleeper targeting subroutines and, if so, is that effect independent of their range from the Sleeper vessels? O. Rundle The Synenose Accord Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Sofia Roseburn
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
114
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:25:00 -
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Dreygun wrote:I notified CONCORD several days ago when I first noticed the extremely odd behavior, I have not yet heard back from them as to whether or not this discovery has been reported to them before.
The point being then that you continue to act unsanctioned, thus putting your pilot license at risk.
It's your own to do with as you wish, I'd just caution you to think before you act considering the potential outcomes. If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |
Raphael Ordo
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
71
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:26:00 -
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Personally, I've never actually agreed to the widespread belief that the sleepers are actually 'sleeping'. In my own opinion, their nature resembles more that of some other living creatures, that uses unihemispheric slow-wave sleep.
They are history incarnate. As an historian, I would be very interested in studying this behaviour more closely. Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris |
Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
2016
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:06:00 -
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Sofia Roseburn wrote: relevant authorities Who would that be?
Interbus?
The only authorities in Anoikis are the capsuleers with the bigger stick.
Interesting research Mr Dreygun, as always. Hope you garner something useful from it! Personally I've never understood the fascination with Sleeper drones; mostly harmless little guys. I generally leave them alone so long as they reciprocate, although some of my pilots enjoy culling them for salvage. We've even gone so far as to protect them when threatened by outsiders. Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) H4WK. CEO | Just another innocent explorer-á pâä
Herrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
67
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Posted - 2014.01.15 23:24:00 -
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Ollie Rundle wrote:Dreygun wrote:At this point I have been able to completely clear several C2, C3, and even a C4 site without the sleeper drones targeting my vessel. This complete failure in their AI suggests that they are not able to adapt to situation at least not instantly. An interesting observation which - if independently verifiable - has interesting applications as you correctly note. Forgive my ignorance but I note that the battlecruiser fits you seem to prefer rely solely on drones for damage output, boosted by modules that augment said damage and optimal firing solutions alongside those that increase the targeting range of your own ship's sensors. Do your sentry drones also elude the Sleeper targeting subroutines and, if so, is that effect independent of their range from the Sleeper vessels?
the sleeper AI becomes further bizarre at this level. The sleepers will approach the sentries and engage them but upon withdrawl back to the drone bay the sleepers will become confused often not attempting to attack them after they are redeployed. They also will not attack my ship regaurdless of their range after the initial scambling of their targeting AI. I have seen a sleeper Battleship orbit me at 20k and not even draw a targeting solution. I withdrew my drones and just sat there drifting in a bizarre stalemate. It was quite the uncanny experience. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2192
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Posted - 2014.01.15 23:27:00 -
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I think it may be because whatever fools were behind the Sleeper AI made them hate capsuleer drones so much that they can no longer think about anything else? Like, once they see a drone they go into some kind of hate-spasm that locks them up completely when their only target of choice is removed from play? Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
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Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
67
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Posted - 2014.01.15 23:31:00 -
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Sofia Roseburn wrote:Dreygun wrote:I notified CONCORD several days ago when I first noticed the extremely odd behavior, I have not yet heard back from them as to whether or not this discovery has been reported to them before. The point being then that you continue to act unsanctioned, thus putting your pilot license at risk. It's your own to do with as you wish, I'd just caution you to think before you act considering the potential outcomes.
I have given them ample time to provide any sort of cease and desist order, I would have assumed a discover of this significance would have been given a bit higher priority response. |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
324
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Posted - 2014.01.15 23:40:00 -
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This is fascinating. Hope to hear more.
-Eran |
Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
549
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Posted - 2014.01.16 01:03:00 -
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Sofia Roseburn wrote:I trust you've informed the relevant authorities of your actions. They tend to frown upon unsanctioned activities such as this.
I want to point out the irony of a #*@&ing toaster commenting on relevant authorities. Shut the #*@& up. I'm not even sure how Sansha's *!@& came out of your mouth long enough for you to speak anyway. Editor: TheMittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Zanzibar Heroshima
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
27
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Posted - 2014.01.16 01:16:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Sofia Roseburn wrote:I trust you've informed the relevant authorities of your actions. They tend to frown upon unsanctioned activities such as this. I want to point out the irony of a #*@&ing toaster commenting on relevant authorities. Shut the #*@& up. I'm not even sure how Sansha's *!@& came out of your mouth long enough for you to speak anyway.
Well, that's impolite. |
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
313
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Posted - 2014.01.16 01:16:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:I think it may be because whatever fools were behind the Sleeper AI made them hate capsuleer drones so much that they can no longer think about anything else? Like, once they see a drone they go into some kind of hate-spasm that locks them up completely when their only target of choice is removed from play?
You understand that the architects behind the entire Sleeper civilization far predate capsuleers and the like, yes?
You might be on to something, however. It's been a long-documented observation that Sleepers typically select primary targets based on damage output, and we have also observed them performing "tank tests" to see which ships boast the lowest damage resistance profiles. They also of course target supporting logistics ships. As to why the Sleeper drones choose not to target the drone-deploying ship in Dreygun's case is a mystery.
Tread carefully, Dreygun. CONCORD knows more about the supposedly extinct Sleeper race than I think they let on. Digging further into the mystery and coming out in public about it might make you an unfortunate target. I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.
Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever |
Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
2018
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Posted - 2014.01.16 01:26:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:I want to point out the irony of a #*@&ing toaster commenting on relevant authorities. Shut the #*@& up. I'm not even sure how Sansha's *!@& came out of your mouth long enough for you to speak anyway. I'd like to buy you a drink. Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) H4WK. CEO | Just another innocent explorer-á pâä
Herrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
313
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Posted - 2014.01.16 01:31:00 -
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I would also like to state that if CONCORD views these tactics of confusing the Sleeper AI as an unacceptable use of one's capsuleer license due to the possible impacts it has on the bulk Ancient Salvage market, we will follow guidelines in order to preserve our licenses. I would, however, remind any CONCORD officials reading this that sentry turrets found in C5 and C6 anomalies and signatures makes this tactic inadvisable in those classes of space; at best these tactics bring back the ability to clear C4 and lower anomalies while solo, which was "a thing" before the heavy missile firmware changes crippled the Tengu's ability to perform this function.
We're not looking for trouble from Big Brother just yet. I eagerly wait an official response. I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.
Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever |
Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
68
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:36:00 -
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Raphael Ordo wrote:Personally, I've never actually agreed to the widespread belief that the sleepers are actually 'sleeping'. In my own opinion, their nature resembles more that of some other living creatures, that uses unihemispheric slow-wave sleep. They are history incarnate. As an historian, I would be very interested in studying this behaviour more closely.
yea I too am not certain that the sleepers are sleeping or that they are extinct. The way that they respond to this new threat could give us all some background as to whether or not they are still capable to rewriting their primary programming. If they are aware of their surroundings and aware of us and capable of changing then why have they not moved to evict us. They seem to have the ability especially the smaller corps.
why have there been no further reports of incidents like the blazing angels? What are they waiting for? |
Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
68
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:48:00 -
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Streya Jormagdnir wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:I think it may be because whatever fools were behind the Sleeper AI made them hate capsuleer drones so much that they can no longer think about anything else? Like, once they see a drone they go into some kind of hate-spasm that locks them up completely when their only target of choice is removed from play? You understand that the architects behind the entire Sleeper civilization far predate capsuleers and the like, yes? You might be on to something, however. It's been a long-documented observation that Sleepers typically select primary targets based on damage output, and we have also observed them performing "tank tests" to see which ships boast the lowest damage resistance profiles. They also of course target supporting logistics ships. As to why the Sleeper drones choose not to target the drone-deploying ship in Dreygun's case is a mystery. Tread carefully, Dreygun. CONCORD knows more about the supposedly extinct Sleeper race than I think they let on. Digging further into the mystery and coming out in public about it might make you an unfortunate target.
Of course it has never been my intention to go against CONCORD whether or not I agree with all their decisions I am still dependent on their infrastructure at least until origin becomes more self sustaining. I would move to ask CONCORD and all related entities to release any information they have on the sleepers so that we as settlers of anoikis have a better chance at understanding the mysteries of New Eden and Anoikis's history |
Ollie Rundle
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
146
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Posted - 2014.01.16 05:03:00 -
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Dreygun wrote:Ollie Rundle wrote:Forgive my ignorance but I note that the battlecruiser fits you seem to prefer rely solely on drones for damage output, boosted by modules that augment said damage and optimal firing solutions alongside those that increase the targeting range of your own ship's sensors.
Do your sentry drones also elude the Sleeper targeting subroutines and, if so, is that effect independent of their range from the Sleeper vessels? the sleeper AI becomes further bizarre at this level. The sleepers will approach the sentries and engage them but upon withdrawl back to the drone bay the sleepers will become confused often not attempting to attack them after they are redeployed. They also will not attack my ship regaurdless of their range after the initial scambling of their targeting AI. I have seen a sleeper Battleship orbit me at 20k and not even draw a targeting solution. I withdrew my drones and just sat there drifting in a bizarre stalemate. It was quite the uncanny experience.
Again, I commend you bringing these observations to light but switching to drones and logistics-capable ships is hardly a new tactic for the Sleeper's targeting priorities. In fact, some 18-24 months ago non-capsuleer piloted ships in known space began mimicking these target priorities possibly utilising some of the reverse-engineered technology which has been acquired from w-space over the six years since we became aware of it.
I believe the tactic you're describing - recalling drones in after they've been acquired as targets with the result of throwing automated targeting solutions into disarray - is a relatively common one used by known-space mission runners to protect their drones and their vessels. While it's a useful tactic that often succeeds it doesn't always work in k-space of course and this point of difference may be the most important part of your discovery.
Your observations and the conclusions you draw from it - namely that the Sleeper drones are only autonomous up to a hard-wired limit rather than possessive of a more intuitive sentience - remain intriguing.
You mentioned that your strategy has been tested and found to work in systems classes up to C4. I wonder if they also work in the higher class w-space systems, particularly in those systems and sites where capital escalations can occur? O. Rundle The Synenose Accord Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
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Solarienne
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
171
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Posted - 2014.01.16 09:13:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote:I want to point out the irony of a #*@&ing toaster commenting on relevant authorities. Shut the #*@& up. I'm not even sure how Sansha's *!@& came out of your mouth long enough for you to speak anyway. I'd like to buy you a drink.
I wouldn't be doing that without ensuring the glass is made of pexiglass and donning a hard hat first. Vea isn't exactly reknowned for her extensive marble collection.
Other than that, let us know how it goes! "Pulled from the grime and uncertainty that my life had been, I opened my eyes for the first time and saw in the distance, oh so far away, Utopia. -áMy path may be the broken backs of those who stand against me, but one day, I will stand at the gates and I will be Home." - Sascha Ishenko; Meditations on Servitude |
Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
69
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Posted - 2014.01.16 13:06:00 -
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posting error |
Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
69
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Posted - 2014.01.16 13:07:00 -
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Ollie Rundle wrote:Dreygun wrote:Ollie Rundle wrote:Forgive my ignorance but I note that the battlecruiser fits you seem to prefer rely solely on drones for damage output, boosted by modules that augment said damage and optimal firing solutions alongside those that increase the targeting range of your own ship's sensors.
Do your sentry drones also elude the Sleeper targeting subroutines and, if so, is that effect independent of their range from the Sleeper vessels? the sleeper AI becomes further bizarre at this level. The sleepers will approach the sentries and engage them but upon withdrawl back to the drone bay the sleepers will become confused often not attempting to attack them after they are redeployed. They also will not attack my ship regaurdless of their range after the initial scambling of their targeting AI. I have seen a sleeper Battleship orbit me at 20k and not even draw a targeting solution. I withdrew my drones and just sat there drifting in a bizarre stalemate. It was quite the uncanny experience. Again, I commend you bringing these observations to light but switching to drones and logistics-capable ships is hardly a new tactic for the Sleeper's targeting priorities. In fact, some 18-24 months ago non-capsuleer piloted ships in known space began mimicking these target priorities possibly utilising some of the reverse-engineered technology which has been acquired from w-space in the years since we became aware of it. I believe the tactic you're describing - recalling drones in after they've been acquired as targets with the result of throwing automated targeting solutions into disarray - is a relatively common one used by known-space mission runners to protect their drones and their vessels. Of course, while it's a useful tactic that often succeeds it doesn't always work in k-space and this singular point of difference may be the most important part of your discovery. Your observations and the conclusion you draw from them - namely that the Sleeper drones are only autonomous up to a hard-wired limit rather than possessing a more intuitive sentience - remain intriguing. You mentioned that your strategy has been tested and found to work in system classes up to C4. I wonder if it also works in the higher class w-space systems, particularly in those systems and sites where capital-initiated escalations can occur?
I am certainly aware that sleeper drones will target capsaleer drones and that cycling drones is a useful way to mitigate damage across both, but this is an entirely different matter. Once the tactic is initiated the drone vessel is effectively cloaked towards the sleepers. They can get as close as they want for as long as they want and they will never draw a targeting solution. To my knowledge this is not a commonly known phenomenon, if it were I assume the knowledge would be much more wide spread in guides.
The specifics of the technique limit its utility to only certain sites I have not yet attempted this feat in higher class systems and doing so would be very difficult I lost 1 vessel in the process of figuring out the details of what I know so far. I am not sure it could sustain any higher class sites, but I will update you if I can confirm or deny this later.
Sleeper escalation can be done in a C4. I am unsure as to what effect this would have on this technique I have not tried to initiat the targeting crash with any other vessels present though it could be possible to run this technique in a fleet maybe even with escalation I simply don't have the data to confirm or deny this at this time.
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
354
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Posted - 2014.01.16 19:04:00 -
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A post consisting of primarily attempts to bypass the profanity filter and for personal attack has been removed. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan | @ISD_CCL |
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Kale Silence
Sebietar Scavenging and Hacking
4
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Posted - 2014.01.16 19:52:00 -
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Dreygun wrote:I have recently discovered an anomaly in the targeting subroutines of the sleeper drones. The specifics of the technique for initiating the crash in the sleeper targeting AI has been at this point classified by my CEO. I may be authorized to provide specifics if the sleepers are able to adapt to this issue in the near future.
At this point I have been able to completely clear several C2, C3, and even a C4 site without the sleeper drones targeting my vessel. This complete failure in their AI suggests that they are not able to adapt to situation at least not instantly. Which suggest that they are not being controlled actively. I am very curious to see if the sleepers adapt to this at all, if they do it would suggest they are not completely dormant and possibly that the fact they allow capsuleers to settle Anoikis is not just because they lack the ability to evict us, but that they are actively allowing our presence.
I believe that depending on how the sleepers respond to this new tactic, we could finally receive proof as to whether the sleepers are in fact dormant or not.
I will keep you posted of my findings, and I would appreciate any information you may have on other sleeper anomalies.
What kind of site were these labeled as by your sensors? Data? Combat? Relic sites?
I would be very interested in studying these anomalies if your CEO would allow.
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Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
69
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Posted - 2014.01.16 20:37:00 -
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Kale Silence wrote:Dreygun wrote:I have recently discovered an anomaly in the targeting subroutines of the sleeper drones. The specifics of the technique for initiating the crash in the sleeper targeting AI has been at this point classified by my CEO. I may be authorized to provide specifics if the sleepers are able to adapt to this issue in the near future.
At this point I have been able to completely clear several C2, C3, and even a C4 site without the sleeper drones targeting my vessel. This complete failure in their AI suggests that they are not able to adapt to situation at least not instantly. Which suggest that they are not being controlled actively. I am very curious to see if the sleepers adapt to this at all, if they do it would suggest they are not completely dormant and possibly that the fact they allow capsuleers to settle Anoikis is not just because they lack the ability to evict us, but that they are actively allowing our presence.
I believe that depending on how the sleepers respond to this new tactic, we could finally receive proof as to whether the sleepers are in fact dormant or not.
I will keep you posted of my findings, and I would appreciate any information you may have on other sleeper anomalies. What kind of site were these labeled as by your sensors? Data? Combat? Relic sites? I would be very interested in studying these anomalies if your CEO would allow.
All have been combat sites so far. I have probably already given out more details then I should have. |
Shelby Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
35
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Posted - 2014.01.16 21:13:00 -
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Kale Silence wrote:Dreygun wrote:I have recently discovered an anomaly in the targeting subroutines of the sleeper drones. The specifics of the technique for initiating the crash in the sleeper targeting AI has been at this point classified by my CEO. I may be authorized to provide specifics if the sleepers are able to adapt to this issue in the near future.
At this point I have been able to completely clear several C2, C3, and even a C4 site without the sleeper drones targeting my vessel. This complete failure in their AI suggests that they are not able to adapt to situation at least not instantly. Which suggest that they are not being controlled actively. I am very curious to see if the sleepers adapt to this at all, if they do it would suggest they are not completely dormant and possibly that the fact they allow capsuleers to settle Anoikis is not just because they lack the ability to evict us, but that they are actively allowing our presence.
I believe that depending on how the sleepers respond to this new tactic, we could finally receive proof as to whether the sleepers are in fact dormant or not.
I will keep you posted of my findings, and I would appreciate any information you may have on other sleeper anomalies. What kind of site were these labeled as by your sensors? Data? Combat? Relic sites? I would be very interested in studying these anomalies if your CEO would allow. Go and talk with my big sister if you wanna study some anomalies Miss Silence!
I'm sure she'd be willing to help!
Well...I'm mostly sure!! |
Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
553
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:29:00 -
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ISD Tyrozan wrote:A post consisting of primarily attempts to bypass the profanity filter and for personal attack has been removed. So, you want to explain the difference between a series of random symbols and *****? Also, there is no such thing as a personal attack on Nation, you ninny, they're machines. Unfeeling, unthinking, machines. You're probably one of them, too, like that CONCORD whathername was.
Yeah I ******* hate Nation. Given the opportunity I would crack their planets, destroy their stations, and rend their cyborg bodies into component atoms. For one of them, which is really Sansa's sockpuppet, to talk about the relevant authorities is as ludicrous as a Gallente ***** to talk about modesty.
You will note that I have used each and every word without self censoring and let the official filter do the work for me. You disgust me and make me sick. Editor: TheMittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
2081
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:38:00 -
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Shelby Dusette wrote:Kale Silence wrote:What kind of site were these labeled as by your sensors? Data? Combat? Relic sites?
I would be very interested in studying these anomalies if your CEO would allow.
Go and talk with my big sister if you wanna study some anomalies Miss Silence! I'm sure she'd be willing to help! Well...I'm mostly sure!! Well aren't you off to a quick start little button.
But aye, your assumption is correct.
Alizabeth Vea wrote:ISD Tyrozan wrote:A post consisting of primarily attempts to bypass the profanity filter and for personal attack has been removed. So, you want to explain the difference between a series of random symbols and *****? Also, there is no such thing as a personal attack on Nation, you ninny, they're machines. Unfeeling, unthinking, machines. You're probably one of them, too, like that CONCORD whathername was. Yeah I ******* hate Nation. Given the opportunity I would crack their planets, destroy their stations, and rend their cyborg bodies into component atoms. For one of them, which is really Sansa's sockpuppet, to talk about the relevant authorities is as ludicrous as a Gallente ***** to talk about modesty. You will note that I have used each and every word without self censoring and let the official filter do the work for me. You disgust me and make me sick. So, about that drink...
Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) H4WK. CEO | Just another innocent explorer-á pâä
Herrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
553
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Posted - 2014.01.17 01:04:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote: So, about that drink...
G-0? You're in luck, usually I'm in Goon space where you're not cleared to even dock, but the Angels are happy to freeport. Editor: TheMittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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