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Logical 101
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:00:00 -
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http://isk.thealphacompany.net/
When you buy a ship, purchase modules, invest in caps, pick up a BPO, open the market, set out on a mission, undock in a fleet for some PvP, throw up (or take down) a POS, begin research and do anything and everything else that either involves or potentially involves the loss or gain of ISK... do you put a dollar value on it?
This isn't a question about RMT, PLEX or even ISK really, rather, I'm asking if you assign real world values to that which takes place in EVE, or do you ignore the articles that refer to how X person embezzled Y amount of ISK from of Z bank and put a down payment on their new home or fixed their car with it and just perceive all this as "entertainment"? |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
9225
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:05:00 -
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Just another tool for tool's to use when creating whine threads about how much people took from their poorly protected corp assets, or to place a monetary value on their epeens, or to stroke epeens when you ***** on a juicy mail.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Karen Avioras
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
145
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:11:00 -
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I can't get the money (without ban) so it really doesn't matter |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2184
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:13:00 -
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A good point. I've found that people who try to live off PLEX are, generally speaking, never actually enjoying the game as much as people who just pony-up the subscription fees and forget about it. To a PLEX addict, EvE has become a job. A chore. I already have a real job, thanks, I don't need a second one. I play EvE (and games in general) to relax and have fun, not make some kinds of stupid quota. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
Etria Issen
Imperial Varista
21
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:14:00 -
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It is kind of amusing to hear the "dollar value" of some of the impressive heists and scams in EVE. I can't say I've ever attached a dollar value to it myself though. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1256
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:21:00 -
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Logical 101 wrote:http://isk.thealphacompany.net/
When you buy a ship, purchase modules, invest in caps, pick up a BPO, open the market, set out on a mission, undock in a fleet for some PvP, throw up (or take down) a POS, begin research and do anything and everything else that either involves or potentially involves the loss or gain of ISK... do you put a dollar value on it?
Occasionally I do, mentally, but its never something I act on. I don't sell my deadspace loot and OPE and turn around and buy plex, its sort of an academic thing, for my own amusement. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
61
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:41:00 -
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I find it more amusing that people don't put isk value on anything they do. For example, a few of the T3 subsystems sell for LESS then they cost to build. its like people who run sits and salvage and make unit x think the salvage comes out of thin air, so if they sell it for less then two nano ribbons, then they are making isk.
So I really don't think most people place a real world value on their stuff. Esp if 99% can't be bothered to put an isk values on there own labor. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
4712
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:44:00 -
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It's situational.
When you are talking about RMTing or people who use their gametime specifically to earn a PLEX... it makes sense to covert ISK to $$ and/or do a cost-benefit thing.
In any other matter though, it only has pure comedic value. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Etria Issen
Imperial Varista
24
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:47:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:It's situational.
When you are talking about RMTing or people who use their gametime specifically to earn a PLEX... it makes sense to covert ISK to $$ and/or do a cost-benefit thing.
In any other matter though, it only has pure comedic value.
Though it does sound infinitely more awesome to say "I killed someone flying a $1000 ship." then to say "Yeah, their ship was worth a few billion ISK." to someone.
They have no idea how much ISK is worth, but they can get an idea of a dollar amount...
Note: I did not even convert that ISK to USD, so I just made up numbers. |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
2614
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Posted - 2014.01.15 21:01:00 -
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I thought about it the other day. I'd won about 100mil ISK betting on NFL games in EVE Bet. It took a couple of weeks and several high-risk bets, but I doubled my investment. I was pretty primed about that 100mil , but then I realized all my winnings were worth about US. $3.33. |
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Marsha Mallow
39
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Posted - 2014.01.15 21:06:00 -
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You can't discuss ISK vs RL values without considering time and how people value it at an individual level. It's really there that perceptions of earned/wasted/enjoyed are relevant. - |
Snagletooth Johnson
Snagle Material Services CAStabouts
70
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Posted - 2014.01.15 21:18:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:You can't discuss ISK vs RL values without considering time and how people value it at an individual level. It's really there that perceptions of earned/wasted/enjoyed are relevant. The whole "time is money" argument is irrelevent. It's the last breath argument for the people who believe that someday someone will pay them to play video games and they won't have to get a real job.
The economy is based on supply and demand. If it drops often, and lots of people do it, then supplyt is higher then demand and the item is cheap, if it's a rare dop and demand is high, then it's an expensive item. It doesnt matter if it took you 15 seconds or 15 days to get any said item. No one is paying you to play a game. You are not being paid to play games, get that idea out of you're head. Once you do, then you'll realize, the ore really is free. |
Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
1185
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Posted - 2014.01.15 21:21:00 -
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I used to keep a note of people that would laugh I you ran a mission and didn't blitz it as you were not making optimal isk per hour .
Sort of people who whatever you did, you were wasting your time because there were faster and more efficient ways to do it.
Morons that miss the point that "sometimes you just want to take it slow and enjoy the fire works."
List got too Long so I stopped telling them what I was really doing.
It's still just a game to me. No matter how frustrated that'll make the diehards and their ilk
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Marsha Mallow
39
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Posted - 2014.01.15 21:28:00 -
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Snagletooth Johnson wrote:Marsha Mallow wrote:You can't discuss ISK vs RL values without considering time and how people value it at an individual level. It's really there that perceptions of earned/wasted/enjoyed are relevant. The whole "time is money" argument is irrelevent. It's the last breath argument for the people who believe that someday someone will pay them to play video games and they won't have to get a real job. The economy is based on supply and demand. If it drops often, and lots of people do it, then supplyt is higher then demand and the item is cheap, if it's a rare dop and demand is high, then it's an expensive item. It doesnt matter if it took you 15 seconds or 15 days to get any said item. No one is paying you to play a game. You are not being paid to play games, get that idea out of you're head. Once you do, then you'll realize, the ore really is free. I don't mean time vs money or opportunity cost. I'm talking purely about how people value their own time and how they 'spend it'. It isn't uniform, and it doesn't always have any type of monetary value attached. - |
ElQuirko
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
3190
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Posted - 2014.01.15 21:29:00 -
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Logical 101 wrote:When you buy a ship, purchase modules, invest in caps, pick up a BPO, open the market, set out on a mission, undock in a fleet for some PvP, throw up (or take down) a POS, begin research and do anything and everything else that either involves or potentially involves the loss or gain of ISK... do you put a dollar value on it?
No.
...it makes my killboard less painful that way. Dodixie > Hek |
trader joes Ichinumi
Straightedge and Compass Industrial The Crimson Tower
13
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Posted - 2014.01.15 22:29:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:A good point. I've found that people who try to live off PLEX are, generally speaking, never actually enjoying the game as much as people who just pony-up the subscription fees and forget about it. To a PLEX addict, EvE has become a job. A chore. I already have a real job, thanks, I don't need a second one. I play EvE (and games in general) to relax and have fun, not make some kinds of stupid quota.
Completely agreed. I had recently rejoined. My character had 200k isk to his name. My friend gave me enough to buy +3 implants(the only purchase I really wanted) and I had a lot of fun spending a few weeks working my guy up to 10 million isk. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
157
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Posted - 2014.01.15 23:31:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:I find it more amusing that people don't put isk value on anything they do. For example, a few of the T3 subsystems sell for LESS then they cost to build. its like people who run sits and salvage and make unit x think the salvage comes out of thin air, so if they sell it for less then two nano ribbons, then they are making isk.
So I really don't think most people place a real world value on their stuff. Esp if 99% can't be bothered to put an isk values on there own labor.
I had a very frustrating discussion along these line with someone recently ...
THEM ... I sell quite a few Vexor cruisers a week at ## ISK each cruiser.
ME ... so let me get this straight you sell Vexors for below cost ?
THEM ... no of course not I buy my mats really cheap and even mine some myself.
ME ... but if you sold those mats at current Dodi market sell you would make way more ISK then you get from making cruisers at your current pricing. You are making a loss.
THEM ... no no no as I said I buy the mats really cheap and even mine some of them
ME ... gives up and makes a note of where to buy Gallente Cruisers for below production cost |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16467
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Posted - 2014.01.15 23:34:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:DaReaper wrote:I find it more amusing that people don't put isk value on anything they do. For example, a few of the T3 subsystems sell for LESS then they cost to build. its like people who run sits and salvage and make unit x think the salvage comes out of thin air, so if they sell it for less then two nano ribbons, then they are making isk.
So I really don't think most people place a real world value on their stuff. Esp if 99% can't be bothered to put an isk values on there own labor. I had a very frustrating discussion along these line with someone recently ... THEM ... I sell quite a few Vexor cruisers a week at ## ISK each cruiser. ME ... so let me get this straight you sell Vexors for below cost ? THEM ... no of course not I buy my mats really cheap and even mine some myself. ME ... but if you sold those mats at current Dodi market sell you would make way more ISK then you get from making cruisers at your current pricing. You are making a loss. THEM ... no no no as I said I buy the mats really cheap and even mine some of them ME ... gives up and makes a note of where to buy Gallente Cruisers for below production cost But, but, the minerals I mine are free...........
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1125
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Posted - 2014.01.15 23:45:00 -
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I pretty much only use the ISK to $$$ conversion when discussing EVE shenanigans with non-eve players. Nobody understands what ISK is, everyone gets the value of a US dollar. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
158
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Posted - 2014.01.15 23:55:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:I pretty much only use the ISK to $$$ conversion when discussing EVE shenanigans with non-eve players. Nobody understands what ISK is, everyone gets the value of a US dollar.
That could be embarrassing ...
Player: "EVE is awesome, I harassed this mining guy for two hours and he eventually gave me 10 million to go away !!"
Non-player: "Wow, you made 10 million in 2 hours? that is cool, ummh how much is 10 million, is it a lot ? "
Player: "ummmh ... about 35 US cents real money" |
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3026
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Posted - 2014.01.16 00:02:00 -
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I think of it in terms of in-game lateral. I want to keep my account plexed and have ISK enough for work ships (presently ninja looters and suicide gankers) and fun ships (like unique ships, max stat ships, and themed fit ships). Every loss reduces that lateral a bit. Every successful gank increases it. If I were to get a huge windfall of isk/loot I would say to myself "sweet! free titan skillbooks and jump freighters!" rather than "damn, this dude just lost hundreds of dollars in PLEX to me."
The headlines that grab attention about the RL cost of scams and losses are meant to impress in the eyes of non-eve players. Its a good marketing tool. For people familiar with the game, I think the reaction to those headlines is different, and weighted against their own holdings and goals uniquely. When I see a really savage burn go down my reaction is usually "dang. wish I was there to ninja that wreck..."
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
816
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Posted - 2014.01.16 00:20:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:A good point. I've found that people who try to live off PLEX are, generally speaking, never actually enjoying the game as much as people who just pony-up the subscription fees and forget about it. To a PLEX addict, EvE has become a job. A chore. I already have a real job, thanks, I don't need a second one. I play EvE (and games in general) to relax and have fun, not make some kinds of stupid quota.
^ This
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
694
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Posted - 2014.01.16 00:26:00 -
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I make buttloads of money and burn up 4 plex a month on top of a 400m isk a month pos bill. In like. Hours.
We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3026
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Posted - 2014.01.16 00:33:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:A good point. I've found that people who try to live off PLEX are, generally speaking, never actually enjoying the game as much as people who just pony-up the subscription fees and forget about it. To a PLEX addict, EvE has become a job. A chore. I already have a real job, thanks, I don't need a second one. I play EvE (and games in general) to relax and have fun, not make some kinds of stupid quota. ^ This I would say the rule of thumb is if it takes you more than an hour to get the ISK for a PLEX you are better off paying for the sub. That's how I see it, anyway.
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Alex Grison
Grison Industrial Group
848
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:48:00 -
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the cost of nothing is not worth of it. when you put it in your spaaaceship and you take it out into space. becuase in yo spaceship you can go any place and then you get to where you are going and you put it in the bank. you can thank the bank for being the money holders yes |
Yosef Brinalle
University of Caille Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:53:00 -
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Snagletooth Johnson wrote:The whole "time is money" argument is irrelevent. It's the last breath argument for the people who believe that someday someone will pay them to play video games and they won't have to get a real job.
The economy is based on supply and demand. If it drops often, and lots of people do it, then supplyt is higher then demand and the item is cheap, if it's a rare dop and demand is high, then it's an expensive item. It doesnt matter if it took you 15 seconds or 15 days to get any said item. No one is paying you to play a game. You are not being paid to play games, get that idea out of you're head. Once you do, then you'll realize, the ore really is free.
If what you say is true then RMT must not exist right? Glad you cleared that up for me. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2256
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:56:00 -
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Logical 101 wrote:http://isk.thealphacompany.net/
When you buy a ship, purchase modules, invest in caps, pick up a BPO, open the market, set out on a mission, undock in a fleet for some PvP, throw up (or take down) a POS, begin research and do anything and everything else that either involves or potentially involves the loss or gain of ISK... do you put a dollar value on it?
This isn't a question about RMT, PLEX or even ISK really, rather, I'm asking if you assign real world values to that which takes place in EVE, or do you ignore the articles that refer to how X person embezzled Y amount of ISK from of Z bank and put a down payment on their new home or fixed their car with it and just perceive all this as "entertainment"?
No because I'm playing a video game turbo nerd. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
715
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:57:00 -
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Gogela wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:A good point. I've found that people who try to live off PLEX are, generally speaking, never actually enjoying the game as much as people who just pony-up the subscription fees and forget about it. To a PLEX addict, EvE has become a job. A chore. I already have a real job, thanks, I don't need a second one. I play EvE (and games in general) to relax and have fun, not make some kinds of stupid quota. ^ This I would say the rule of thumb is if it takes you more than an hour to get the ISK for a PLEX you are better off paying for the sub. That's how I see it, anyway.
Same, I only would plex if I reach a point where I'm rolling in isk.
The tv license costs more than eve and tv is a total load of ****. |
Logical 101
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
347
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:01:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:No because I'm playing a video game turbo nerd. Turbo?
**** that, I'm supercharged.
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RAW23
669
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:44:00 -
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When donating to PLEX for Good, of course.
Otherwise, only when I want to make myself feel good about playing (my wallet balance is worth thousands of dollars ) or bad about playing (why is my wallet balance worth more than my real life bank account ).
Recently my wallet has been low enough for neither of these to apply and I haven't considered it much. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
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