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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:32:00 -
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I live in null-sec and I get a large portion of my income from there. I do rat from time to time but not enough where a 5% reduction will cause me problems.
I do like it because it also effects all the renters which effects the renter empires. Renters should step back and think about what their greed is feeding.
When you rent from cfc you support hulhagedon ice interdiction, tech price fixing and host of other anti-game/player programs the cfc throws out there......all designed to ruin your game.
Think about it. |
Mr Blah Blahson
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:35:00 -
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I almost want to vote +1 for ESS just because the communication style of the OP is kind of annoying. Can't you present your idea properly, and without the attitude?
Look, I get really pissed at CCP too. We all do. Doesn't mean we present our concerns like rowdy 16 year olds. Calm the hell down, sheesh. |
Genseric Tollaris
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
44
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:35:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Genseric Tollaris wrote:250mil an hour for incursions seems a bit much including the lp. including the LP? debatable, but only for the very top end. certainly by no means average. they can make ~150m/hour in pure isk alone, though.
Is 150mil an hour in assaults and hq's? In vanguards that'd be about 2.5 min a site if I'm not mistaken. |
TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises Almost Awesome.
108
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:35:00 -
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it will only be useful if we can see on the star map which systems have an ess deployed in it. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18920
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:35:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:I live in null-sec and I get a large portion of my income from there. I do rat from time to time but not enough where a 5% reduction will cause me problems.
I do like it because it also effects all the renters which effects the renter empires. Renters should step back and think about what their greed is feeding.
When you rent from cfc you support hulhagedon ice interdiction, tech price fixing and host of other anti-game/player programs the cfc throws out there......all designed to ruin your game.
Think about it. Ok. When you think about it, it has nothing to do with there being any reason or rationale behind a flat 5% income nerf to nullsec rank and file. They're inventing a problem so they can propose a (horribly designed and deeply flawed) solution, and if they have to manufacture a huge artificial problem to give their pet solution any reason to exist, it means that it has no reason to exist to begin with. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Dave Stark
4197
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:37:00 -
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Genseric Tollaris wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Genseric Tollaris wrote:250mil an hour for incursions seems a bit much including the lp. including the LP? debatable, but only for the very top end. certainly by no means average. they can make ~150m/hour in pure isk alone, though. Is 150mil an hour in assaults and hq's? In vanguards that'd be about 2.5 min a site if I'm not mistaken.
hq's certainly, that's what most communities run these days. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
89436
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:40:00 -
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Oh good God. When I get a headache trying to grasp just exactly what a new piece of equipment being introduced to the game does exactly, despite my 5 years of knowledge in the game..............this is just sad.
What an unnecessary confusing wad of nonsense. That Dev Blog about it is the most pathetic Dev Blog ever written. Period.
Scrap this idea now. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Mr Pragmatic
872
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:42:00 -
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I like this idea. Long live the ESS. Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |
Genseric Tollaris
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
44
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:47:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Genseric Tollaris wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Genseric Tollaris wrote:250mil an hour for incursions seems a bit much including the lp. including the LP? debatable, but only for the very top end. certainly by no means average. they can make ~150m/hour in pure isk alone, though. Is 150mil an hour in assaults and hq's? In vanguards that'd be about 2.5 min a site if I'm not mistaken. hq's certainly, that's what most communities run these days.
Well, high sec has wardecs, ganking, trading, duels, ways to make good isk in relative saftey, and it's right next to low sec, all the things that I enjoy. Now I'm thinking of moving back. Damn, maybe you guys have a point. |
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
538
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:53:00 -
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Worst Idea ever. I was looking for the name of the Dev and now I have it CCPSoniclover you need to be re-trained. I have shared my opinion on coms and POD cast all that is wrong with this peice of ****, waste of dev time ESS crap.
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
4229
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:53:00 -
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Funding things is about to get a lot easier. +1 for the ESS.
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Syna Anima
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
13
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:58:00 -
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You may add Providence to that list. Such a bad feature/deployable. CCP should get out of their cave and play their own game. Gÿà Join us today! Gÿà |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
111
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:02:00 -
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Electrique Wizard wrote:Notorious Fellon wrote:I fail to see how the ESS adds "fun". Sure, one could argue that *maybe* it might add opportunity for conflict.
The mechanics seem very bizarre to me. All that just for a 5% loss/gain? No one will use the dumb thing. If you dont deploy it in your carebearing system I will. I'll drain your bounties and your tears all with one anchorable structure.
I get that idea, but I guess from my vantage point I would not consider said structure worth the space in my cargo hold. Nor would it be worth risking its cost. For it to collect enough ISK, it would need to sit unmolested for a period of time while the ratters kept on ratting. When one appears in a system with ratters, they will stop. Sure, some may be ignorant enough to keep going for a few hours. I don't think that many will keep working rats just to give you 20% while you hang out in system. If you leave system, they will shoot the ESS. |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Fatal Ascension
687
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:02:00 -
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.... So.... i like it.... i dont live in null for the money, and if it drives a bit more pew pew... all the better.
Nulla Curas |
Dave Stark
4198
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:06:00 -
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Genseric Tollaris wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Genseric Tollaris wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Genseric Tollaris wrote:250mil an hour for incursions seems a bit much including the lp. including the LP? debatable, but only for the very top end. certainly by no means average. they can make ~150m/hour in pure isk alone, though. Is 150mil an hour in assaults and hq's? In vanguards that'd be about 2.5 min a site if I'm not mistaken. hq's certainly, that's what most communities run these days. Well, high sec has wardecs, ganking, trading, duels, ways to make good isk in relative saftey, and it's right next to low sec, all the things that I enjoy. Now I'm thinking of moving back. Damn, maybe you guys have a point.
i quite frankly would rather you all buggered off and stayed in null, less competition for fleet spots in high sec incursions. *shrug* but, that doesn't stop the ESS being terrible and the 5% bounty nerf being so far unjustified. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18921
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:07:00 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:.... So.... i like it.... i dont live in null for the money, and if it drives a bit more pew pew... all the better. That's just it: it won't. If anything, it'll just drive the pew-pew away since there's even less reason to go after people in the same system. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Niec Mogul
Republic University Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:08:00 -
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Here's what will make this thing actually interesting:
Dude undocks to rat somewhere in null, but...what's this? An ESS is deployed? It's not his! He looks at the overview and sees:
* 1.14 AU - Encounter Surveillance System * 1.14 AU - Mobile Scan Blocker
Uh-oh!! Hmm, he could go ratting anyways, but he's losing 20% of the bounties to someone else. He could warp on over to that ESS and empty it, or blow it up...but...that pesky scan blocker. There could be a pile of baddies in there! Oh no!
What to do, what to do. Call in 100 buddies? Send a cloaky scout? **** pants and dock up? Kiss 20% of the bounties goodbye? Hmm, lots of options.
Should be fun to watch. This thread is already pretty entertaining! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18921
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:11:00 -
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Niec Mogul wrote:Here's what will make this thing actually interesting:
Dude undocks to rat somewhere in null, but...what's this? An ESS is deployed? It's not his! He looks at the overview and sees:
* 1.14 AU - Encounter Surveillance System * 1.14 AU - Mobile Scan Blocker Are there people in local? GǪfixed, and like now, that's really all that matters. In fact, he doesn't even undock to spot the ESS or MSB to begin with. When the system is clear, the ESS gets cleared out as well. Until then, no-one rats anyway so no bounties are being lost (or gained, depending on your perspective). All that's left is a constant ratting at a new, reduced bounty level.
Things being the way they've always been hardly counts as GÇ£making them interestingGÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
MasterAsher
Sons of The Forge SpaceMonkey's Alliance
8
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:12:00 -
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Niec Mogul wrote:Here's what will make this thing actually interesting:
Dude undocks to rat somewhere in null, but...what's this? An ESS is deployed? It's not his! He looks at the overview and sees:
* 1.14 AU - Encounter Surveillance System * 1.14 AU - Mobile Scan Blocker
Uh-oh!! Hmm, he could go ratting anyways, but he's losing 20% of the bounties to someone else. He could warp on over to that ESS and empty it, or blow it up...but...that pesky scan blocker. There could be a pile of baddies in there! Oh no!
What to do, what to do. Call in 100 buddies? Send a cloaky scout? **** pants and dock up? Kiss 20% of the bounties goodbye? Hmm, lots of options.
Should be fun to watch. This thread is already pretty entertaining!
Scan blocker doesnt work around the ess...
Also local....if there is a non blue who the hell will rat?
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
629
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:12:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:I live in null-sec and I get a large portion of my income from there. I do rat from time to time but not enough where a 5% reduction will cause me problems.
I do like it because it also effects all the renters which effects the renter empires. Renters should step back and think about what their greed is feeding.
When you rent from cfc you support hulhagedon ice interdiction, tech price fixing and host of other anti-game/player programs the cfc throws out there......all designed to ruin your game.
Think about it.
During the original gallente ice interdiction, I sold them over 500 brutixes, around 300 of which were built by my alt from minerals sold in dodixie.
Think about that.
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ZynnLee Akkori
Perkone Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:12:00 -
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I don't see the problem. You get your 5% or more back just by visiting the ESS. ISK efficiency is only a mining thing, right? Null is about HTFU shooting-spaceships, right?
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Dave Stark
4199
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:15:00 -
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ZynnLee Akkori wrote:I don't see the problem. You get your 5% or more back just by visiting the ESS. ISK efficiency is only a mining thing, right? Null is about HTFU shooting-spaceships, right?
who are you going to shoot when they're all in high sec running missions? |
MasterAsher
Sons of The Forge SpaceMonkey's Alliance
8
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:15:00 -
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ZynnLee Akkori wrote:I don't see the problem. You get your 5% or more back just by visiting the ESS. ISK efficiency is only a mining thing, right? Null is about HTFU shooting-spaceships, right?
To be honest i think 99% of null would prefer a 5-10% isk nerf to anoms over how this item is....think about that. |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
101
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:20:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Tippia wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:If neither the defenders nor the offenders will use it then whats the problem?? Then it's just a 5% income nerf for nullsec rank and file that completely lacks and reason or purpose. Seems to me it has its purpose. CCP hired an economist specifically for this reason.....but let me guess I am sure you know more or better than that person......well of course you do, what was I thinking?
good to see that after the financial crisis there are still a few who trust in economists. being one myself, I don't much.
In the regard of the 5% nerf: how do you know what their assumption was regarding how much ESS would be used? CCP might have assumed that ESS will lead to more ISK in the game. |
Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2309
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:20:00 -
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ZOMG A THING I DONT LIKE
I better have a ******* rant
FFS Have an apple, read a book.
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Niec Mogul
Republic University Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:20:00 -
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MasterAsher wrote:Niec Mogul wrote:Here's what will make this thing actually interesting:
Dude undocks to rat somewhere in null, but...what's this? An ESS is deployed? It's not his! He looks at the overview and sees:
* 1.14 AU - Encounter Surveillance System * 1.14 AU - Mobile Scan Blocker
Uh-oh!! Hmm, he could go ratting anyways, but he's losing 20% of the bounties to someone else. He could warp on over to that ESS and empty it, or blow it up...but...that pesky scan blocker. There could be a pile of baddies in there! Oh no!
What to do, what to do. Call in 100 buddies? Send a cloaky scout? **** pants and dock up? Kiss 20% of the bounties goodbye? Hmm, lots of options.
Should be fun to watch. This thread is already pretty entertaining! Scan blocker doesnt work around the ess... Also local....if there is a non blue who the hell will rat?
The blog says the scan blocker won't hide the ESS, but that's the point; you'd see both, but not what's nearby.
It doesn't counter local, as you've noted, but I wouldn't put it past anyone to start just ripping off their bluebloc neighbors. I mean ****, why not? Anyone that's ever said "Awox hahaha!" should have no problem with this idea. |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
111
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:25:00 -
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Niec Mogul wrote:MasterAsher wrote:Niec Mogul wrote:Here's what will make this thing actually interesting:
Dude undocks to rat somewhere in null, but...what's this? An ESS is deployed? It's not his! He looks at the overview and sees:
* 1.14 AU - Encounter Surveillance System * 1.14 AU - Mobile Scan Blocker
Uh-oh!! Hmm, he could go ratting anyways, but he's losing 20% of the bounties to someone else. He could warp on over to that ESS and empty it, or blow it up...but...that pesky scan blocker. There could be a pile of baddies in there! Oh no!
What to do, what to do. Call in 100 buddies? Send a cloaky scout? **** pants and dock up? Kiss 20% of the bounties goodbye? Hmm, lots of options.
Should be fun to watch. This thread is already pretty entertaining! Scan blocker doesnt work around the ess... Also local....if there is a non blue who the hell will rat? The blog says the scan blocker won't hide the ESS, but that's the point; you'd see both, but not what's nearby. It doesn't counter local, as you've noted, but I wouldn't put it past anyone to start just ripping off their bluebloc neighbors. I mean ****, why not? Anyone that's ever said "Awox hahaha!" should have no problem with this idea.
Said people would quickly find themselves unable to dock where the rest of their ships are.
It is possible to get kicked from an alliance for less offense. Said tactics only work on noob corps who don't research potential recruits.
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Silent Rambo
State Protectorate Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:30:00 -
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With all the bitter vet whining that is happening, I haven't really heard any strong arguments against it other then "it sucks, and its bad, and I hate it" or "wahhh a whole 5% nerf, ill only make 95 mil when I could have made 100mil".
The only real issue I've heard is there isn't enough incentive to use this thing. Pretty simple fix, Id say bump it up to a 10% nerf (90% isk based on now) and give a 20% bonus to ratting (120% based on now) with this thing around. Drives conflict, enables PvP, and gives people more of an incentive to work together. If you cant work together towards ISK making goals then just gtfo of EvE. |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
253
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:35:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:Niec Mogul wrote:MasterAsher wrote:Niec Mogul wrote:Here's what will make this thing actually interesting:
Dude undocks to rat somewhere in null, but...what's this? An ESS is deployed? It's not his! He looks at the overview and sees:
* 1.14 AU - Encounter Surveillance System * 1.14 AU - Mobile Scan Blocker
Uh-oh!! Hmm, he could go ratting anyways, but he's losing 20% of the bounties to someone else. He could warp on over to that ESS and empty it, or blow it up...but...that pesky scan blocker. There could be a pile of baddies in there! Oh no!
What to do, what to do. Call in 100 buddies? Send a cloaky scout? **** pants and dock up? Kiss 20% of the bounties goodbye? Hmm, lots of options.
Should be fun to watch. This thread is already pretty entertaining! Scan blocker doesnt work around the ess... Also local....if there is a non blue who the hell will rat? The blog says the scan blocker won't hide the ESS, but that's the point; you'd see both, but not what's nearby. It doesn't counter local, as you've noted, but I wouldn't put it past anyone to start just ripping off their bluebloc neighbors. I mean ****, why not? Anyone that's ever said "Awox hahaha!" should have no problem with this idea. Said people would soon find themselves unable to dock where the rest of their ships are. It is possible to get kicked from an alliance for less offense. Said tactics only work on noob corps who don't research potential recruits.
Except you can just do it with an anonymous alt?
That's pretty much the status quo, already in nullsec. Who do you think uses most siphon units? Alts stealing from their own alliance mates moons because they know when they aren't around |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
100
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:39:00 -
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Tippia wrote:A deployable that makes you gamble 20% of your bounties for 0GÇô5% gain, assuming no-one else steals them first. And to invent a reason for it to exist, they've decided to make a flat reduction of all bounties by 5% so there can be a GÇ£problemGÇ¥ for this abortion to GÇ£solveGÇ¥.
All right, thanks for the info. Now i understand the complaints.
What i don't understand is why put something like this in the game. I mean, really... why? Does this improve the gameplay? How? Bored at the office are we, ccp?
Well, back to my things.
o/
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