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Mah Boobz
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.16 22:19:00 -
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I've noticed a LOT of threads get locked that aren't pro-CCP threads. After looking over the forum rules, I noticed that ANY thread posted on eve-o will violate at least one rule, in one way or another. (including isd/dev posts)
From my perspective, it looks like ISD and CCP generally lock threads that aren't pro-CCP, while supporting any that are "thank you" or "I <3 CCP" posts.
So the question is, are the forum rules simple in place to censor people that don't agree with CCP?
Is it time that new rules were set, or possibly a "CSM" for the forums to prevent abuse?
I'd like to hear the community feedback on this issue.
P.S. please keep it clean, as this is a serious question. |
Etria Issen
Imperial Varista
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Posted - 2014.01.16 22:21:00 -
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This is probably because the "non-pro CCP" threads are complaint threads. There are places for those. And many of them aren't even valid complaints - they're just the OP screaming and yelling about something they don't like, without any actual criticism or something.
A "I <3 CCP" kind of thread isn't really breaking a rule, as they just discuss something they like?
There's not some kind of conspiracy going on or something. This is just like TWC claiming CA is "censoring" the "truth" about anti-Rome 2 threads: when really its because complaint threads outside the intended areas are breaking the rules. |
Kryptik Kai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.16 22:23:00 -
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Post constructively and in the appropriate forum and omg the thread won't get locked! Its amazing!!! "Shiny.-á Lets be bad guys." -Jayne Cobb |
Mah Boobz
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.16 22:29:00 -
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Etria Issen wrote:This is probably because the "non-pro CCP" threads are complaint threads. There are places for those. And many of them aren't even valid complaints - they're just the OP screaming and yelling about something they don't like, without any actual criticism or something.
A "I <3 CCP" kind of thread isn't really breaking a rule, as they just discuss something they like?
There's not some kind of conspiracy going on or something. This is just like TWC claiming CA is "censoring" the "truth" about anti-Rome 2 threads: when really its because complaint threads outside the intended areas are breaking the rules.
Very interesting point of view. And it is true that a lot of the anti-CCP threads start off with a rant, however some (and I can't link locked threads sorry) have plenty of content, are well thought out and expressed in a sensible and productive manor, however still get locked.
Also, some "I <3 CCP" threads lack content, or are simply there to (pardon the expression) buttkiss.
P.S. Thank you for a well written reply. |
Doji Okakura
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Posted - 2014.01.16 23:26:00 -
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Mah Boobz wrote:So the question is, are the forum rules simple in place to censor people that don't agree with CCP? From what I've seen, most threads directly criticizing CCP are neither constructive nor relevant. The tone isn't constructive, and the content isn't relevant. It's mostly just rage and flame bait. That gets locked. Constructively critical threads roll on until the terrible posting reaches epic proportions, which is an inevitability when we consider that many people who post here have completely nonconstructive agendas. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2014.01.16 23:34:00 -
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I was going to ask what you are smoking and if I could have some, but then I used reading 101 and read the thread. As has already been said, all of the locked threads have no content to them, nor anything valid. Sitting here going OMG CCP MINING IS BROKE FIX IT!!! EVE IS DYING!!@#!@#!@# is a lot different from:
CCP, I have been trying this feature out that you made for mining. I think you made it over powered, and its harder for me to do what I need to do, i'm wondering if other people are having issues as well? Please look into this thing and fix it, or explain why it was made the way it was.
See the difference?
Even if a thread has content past the opening post, usually it gets locked because the opener still will not come back with anything legit, and just spout more ranting.
The biggest reason honestly that I LOVE YOU CCP TY!!!!!! don't get locked often is praise is easyer to convey and accept then getting screamed at in a manner that can't really fix your issue. Its like dealing with tech support, if someone calls you screaming there poc is broken fix it, that gives you no data no anything. Just an idiot screaming. But if you call and are polite and consise you will get stuff fixed. |
Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.16 23:41:00 -
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Mah Boobz wrote:I've noticed a LOT of threads get locked that aren't pro-CCP threads.
Dude, your boobs. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.01.16 23:52:00 -
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You would be amazed with the amount of discontent and hate you can get away with on these forums if you word it the right way.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Etria Issen
Imperial Varista
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:03:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:You would be amazed with the amount of discontent and hate you can get away with on these forums if you word it the right way.
That's really the key in many things though. If you can word stuff right, you can get away with an amazing amount of things. Of course, you can also really prove a point well with the right wording also. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:20:00 -
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Sophistry and Illusion ... consign them to the flames ... |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:20:00 -
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Do you also believe that 911 was caused by George W Bush and moon-landing never occurred? |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2014.01.17 01:23:00 -
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Forum moderation We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.17 04:52:00 -
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OP is correct. Am I surprised by this revelation - you're kidding, right?
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Xol'tan
Fallen RaVens
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Posted - 2014.01.17 06:31:00 -
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This is the general discussion subforum, anything should be discussed here.
Otherwise there should be one more subforum called "The Screamer's Stand" where I can complain and complain about anything I like and not get my thread locked. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.17 07:04:00 -
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There are no rules, only consequences.
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Felicity Love
Whore and Peace Forsaken Asylum
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Posted - 2014.01.17 07:43:00 -
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Mah Boobz wrote:I've noticed a LOT of threads get locked that aren't pro-CCP threads.
Constructive criticism, good.
Mindless ranting, with or without the assistance of recreational substances, bad.
... and it's still the best game in pixel space.
Can't have a proper Apocalypse without "The Man", Johnny Cash. -áTrue story.
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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2014.01.17 07:53:00 -
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Most of it is incidental. As we know (and as is plain to see), much of topics that get created in General Discussion are of fairly poor quality.
The ones that get locked, as far as I have observed, are mainly topics which either have no content (one-line original posts, posts that are just a topic title and a smiley face as the entire body of the post, walls of text with unintelligible messages, etc.) as well as redundant topics (topics that touch on the same subject as another open, non-expired topic).
Now, it happens that a topic which criticizes CCP tends to exhibit one or more of these "spam"-type characteristics. There is often also an inflammatory element, which, while it makes sense that you might be angry when you have something to criticize, you can express your opinions without, or with minimal, negative emotions. Besides, I've seen a lot of criticism (and indeed made some myself) which is valid, properly formulated, and also angry, one despite the other, and vice versa. But I've never seen a post which was more valid than it was inflammatory ever get locked or removed.
However, that's not to say there isn't a problem.
There are clear signs of bias in the ranks of the moderators, and without naming any specifics, I have witnessed in the past certain posts benefit from the increased exposure of being posted in the wrong forum section, and remaining in the wrong forum section after inspection by a moderator.
Similarly I have seen posts getting moved to the another forum section and left to die as a result, sometimes entirely deserved (if they were simply posted in the wrong place) and sometimes a bit undeserved (one thread gets moved, while another thread on the same topic gets to stay, even though they are both in the wrong place).
Most worryingly, on a few occasions in the past 5-8 years, I've seen some posts being posted in the right forum section, later getting inspected by a moderator, who in his words evaluated that the post was in the right place, and subsequently moved it to the wrong forum section to "give it more exposure". Not acceptable.
But over-all, I personally feel that the team of moderators are a bunch who work very hard for their paychecks, and their team of volunteers are a group who very much respect the privilege they pay for. I offer a large kudos to all of them (except those biased ones described above. Not you. You make the forum a worse place for everyone.) Do YOU like to undock? |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.01.17 08:30:00 -
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isn't discussing moderation (aka, this thread) against the forum rules? |
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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.01.17 08:58:00 -
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Quote:Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category.
Thread gets locked for discussion of moderation.
Also, if you scream wolf (bias), please present proof via a support ticket or via e-mail to internal affairs. If you dont have any proof, well, dont scream wolf or no one will believe you. ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons Interstellar Services Department @ISD_Eshtir | @ISD_CCL |
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