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Atikisium Darwin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.19 12:23:00 -
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Hey Guys,
My doubt is quite simple.
Why to join a Corporation and what are the benefits and responsibilities upon joining?
Thanks. Atikisium |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
753
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Posted - 2014.01.19 12:38:00 -
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The main reason to join a corporation is that EVE is a multiplayer game, and all the most fun content is for groups of people. You can PvP together, mine together, whatever - work towards common goals. It is fun just to be part of something with a community of people.
The benefits and responsibilities vary widely from one corporation to the next. That is something you want to ask when you have a specific corporation in mind. everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com |
gfldex
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Posted - 2014.01.19 13:27:00 -
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First there are reason stemming from game mechanics. You need to be in a player corp to use the following options:
- run a player owned structure - run a customs office - run/build outposts
There are further plenty of activities that require a wide range of skillpoints. Unless you command an army of alts, a corp will be the only reasonable option if you want to enjoy those activities.
On top of that a good corp will provide you with access to knowledge and (in most cases) trustworthy business opportunities.
If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
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Posted - 2014.01.19 14:09:00 -
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Benefits may include access to POS services, co-operative industry, access to fleets (via the Fleet Finder), a Ship Replacement Program (SRP), corp-restricted contracting, intel on Alliance ops, etc. Responsibilities could include fueling POS, admission to fleets (or commanding them), not being a ****head (very important), train skills for ship doctrines, recruitment efforts, etc. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.19 15:35:00 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote:The main reason to join a corporation is that EVE is a multiplayer game, . . . EVE being a multiplayer game is the factor that makes it possible to join a (player) corporation - it is not a reason for doing so. |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
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Posted - 2014.01.19 15:49:00 -
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Atikisium Darwin wrote: responsibilities upon joining?
As so often in this game it depends on the corp and its leadership. Generally of course there is expectation that you won't blag everything about the corp to someone else or steal its entire stockpile of capital ships. But really as a basic member there is little responsibilities.
If you come in to do a job like a POS technician there is the expectation that you will do your job. In this case make sure your corp's tower is kept fuelled. |
Keno Skir
forward unt0 dawn
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Posted - 2014.01.19 15:50:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:Haedonism Bot wrote:The main reason to join a corporation is that EVE is a multiplayer game, . . . EVE being a multiplayer game is the factor that makes it possible to join a (player) corporation - it is not a reason for doing so.
It is a reason to join one, just not the only reason. Co-operative gameplay can be found inside of a corporate setting but (especially in the beginning) it can be hard to find it outside of one. Being part of a player owned corp can add the sense of identity that really makes the game for many people. BUDDY TRIALS - 21days + ISK bonus + Starting Assistance : https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=77facad8-d941-45ad-95bc-c1ec90919b6b&action=buddy Feel free to contact me with questions :) |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.19 16:02:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:Haedonism Bot wrote:The main reason to join a corporation is that EVE is a multiplayer game, . . . EVE being a multiplayer game is the factor that makes it possible to join a (player) corporation - it is not a reason for doing so. It is a reason to join one, just not the only reason. Nope. It facilitates all that you say in the rest of your post but it is not of itself a reason for joining a corp. |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
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Posted - 2014.01.19 16:18:00 -
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Another good reason to join a corporation is that it gets you away from all the parasites who hang around in NPC starter corps and poison the gameplay experience of new players with their terrible advice. everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
417
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Posted - 2014.01.19 16:23:00 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote:Another good reason to join a corporation is that it gets you away from all the parasites who hang around in NPC starter corps and poison the gameplay experience of new players with their terrible advice. And gives them the opportunity to obtain equally terrible advice from misguided corpmates. |
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Cara Forelli
Darkstorm Corporation
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Posted - 2014.01.19 16:29:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:Haedonism Bot wrote:Another good reason to join a corporation is that it gets you away from all the parasites who hang around in NPC starter corps and poison the gameplay experience of new players with their terrible advice. And gives them the opportunity to obtain equally terrible advice from misguided corpmates.
Good and (lots of) bad advice can be found in both npc and player corps. The reason to join a player corp is because they participate in the type of activities you enjoy. Want to do faction warfare? Join a group that does faction warfare. Want to mine and produce drones? Join an industrialist corp. Generally, because they have experience in their chosen path, player corporations will give better advice in their area of expertise and help you grow as a player in what most interests you.
OP check out this guide by NightCrawler 85, which has a great discussion of the pros/cons to joining a corp. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
New player with questions? Like to answer questions? Join my public channel in game:-áHouse Forelli |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.01.19 20:06:00 -
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EVE is a sandbox. The only content is player generated. It is much easier to create and find content with friends.
Fun in EVE comes from interacting with other players, both friends and enemies. It is almost more about the meta game than the actual game of shooting spaceships.
A corporation can also help to educate, and support you in EVE. Of course there are good corps and bad ones, so don't feel you have to stay in a bad one.
Solo you will find EVE a very boring place, and likely cancel your subscription in short order. |
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
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Posted - 2014.01.19 20:30:00 -
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Most/all stuff you can do by creating your own personal corp. You can create one per character or join multiple characters to the same corp (good when holding a corp name). From there you can go at it solo, make friends in other corps or other solo corps to co-op with, even join alliances. If you are training alts, it's not a bad way to go with your main ISK making character in your own corp, while your alts go off to fight expensive wars among the big drama loving corps/alliances etc. GÇö+¬GÇö |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
417
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Posted - 2014.01.19 20:57:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Solo you will find EVE a very boring place, and likely cancel your subscription in short order. Tau, you give an enormous amount of helpful information in this forum and I make a point of reading what you have to say about anything that interests me, so I'm very surprised to see you post this.
How do you know what another person will or will not find boring?
I've been playing for just over two years and have never been in a player corp other than EACS and yet I find EVE anything but boring. I have repeatedly compared the pros and cons of corp membership and can't find anything on the pro side that would outweigh the cons.
But that's just my take on the game - everyone is an individual and will react in their own unique way. Just as in RL, some will find working with others in a group enhances their experience while others, like me, would find it difficult to imagine a worse nightmare.
If, as a very experienced player, you tell a newbie categorically that being in a corp is the only way to enjoy EVE you're not doing him any favours. Suppose he joins a corp but finds that he doesn't like the experience. If he takes your word as gospel he may take the view that if that's the best the game has to offer then he may as well leave when in fact if he stayed on he may find that he enjoys the solo experience. How does that help either him or the game as a whole?
The OP has asked about the benefits of corp membership - please by all means tell him what you perceive them to be, but don't tell him what he will or will not think. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1785
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Posted - 2014.01.19 22:50:00 -
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One major advantage of joining a corporation is that you can legally shoot your new "friends" anywhere in game, including high security space. Getting accepted into a corporation is like wardeccing them, except there's no 24 hour waiting/warning period, and you don't have to cough up 50 million ISK.
This creates lots of opportunities for profitable ransoms, especially if your new "friends" were not expecting you to knife them in the back. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. EVE's golden rule: Never trust anyone in-game unless you are sleeping with them in real life. Even then, they may only be screwing you to screw you. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
417
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Posted - 2014.01.19 23:13:00 -
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One man's major advantage is the next man's major disadvantage. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.01.19 23:57:00 -
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Atikisium Darwin wrote:Hey Guys,
My doubt is quite simple.
Why to join a Corporation and what are the benefits and responsibilities upon joining?
Thanks. Atikisium
While technically you never HAVE to join a corporation in the first place, being in a corp can have mulitple benefits:
* Be part of a team / community, you can even make good friends among them. * Receive benefits that can't be gotten from NPC corporations (Player Owned Starbases, Player Owned Custom Offices, joining SOV null-sec). * Receive benefits from corporation related stuff. With this you should think of for instancE: Ship replacement programs, ore/mineral buy back programs, free hauling, internal salvaging people etc Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:19:00 -
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Yeaaahh once you get past your first 90 days, corp or no corp you will stay around if you like the game. You can join a corp on day one and just as well quit the game by your 90'th day. I can play-in/run guilds/corps and I can play soloish, just depends on the person. Sandbox games, you will see lots of people not heavily involved in guilds, or in small guilds, or just solo. It's the progression theme park games that you usually can't enjoy the game at level 98+etc unless you join some mega-guild that does all their grind-fest dailies to get the next glimpse of the pink flying glittery unicorn with a glowy rainbows trailing out of it's rear-end. GÇö+¬GÇö |
Snagletooth Johnson
Snagle Material Services CAStabouts
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:39:00 -
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Omega Sunset wrote:Y.....glimpse of the pink flying glittery unicorn with a glowy rainbows trailing out of it's rear-end. That would be WoW, in Eve, we call it moon goo. And it is glorious.
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Marcus Avon
New Eden Fedo Lovers Society
30
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Posted - 2014.01.20 11:28:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:I've been playing for just over two years and have never been in a player corp other than EACS and yet I find EVE anything but boring. I have repeatedly compared the pros and cons of corp membership and can't find anything on the pro side that would outweigh the cons.
Just under 2 months for me and I'm rapidly finding myself falling into this category. It seems pretty obvious how a large corp benefits by recruiting new members but the actual benefit to the individual player is something that still continues to elude me.
In fact I think its possible to argue that membership in a large corp is actually a moderate risk and a minor irritation what with the extra commitments, rules to follow, surrender of your API key and constant war decs. All this in exchange for what exactly?..... beats me.
I have joined a tiny - nothing required - corp for the tax benefits and I think that's about as far as I'm going to go until I can see an obvious benefit in joining a large corp that clearly outweighs the many cons.
I have a feeling though that you and I are in the minority on this so his advice was probably suitable for the vast majority of EVE players. |
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Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
424
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Posted - 2014.01.20 13:22:00 -
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Marcus Avon wrote:I have a feeling though that you and I are in the minority on this so his advice was probably suitable for the vast majority of EVE players. That could be so amongst the contributors to this forum but a survey conducted by CCP a while back suggested that the opposite is true for the player base as a whole. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3550
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Posted - 2014.01.20 14:03:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:Marcus Avon wrote:I have a feeling though that you and I are in the minority on this so his advice was probably suitable for the vast majority of EVE players. That could be so amongst the contributors to this forum but a survey conducted by CCP a while back suggested that the opposite is true for the player base as a whole.
Because that also includes alts etc. If CCP would look at my characters I own, about 12 of them are in NPC corps. That doesnt mean I like to play solo or dont want to be part of a corp, its because those particular alts dont need to be in a corp and if they were it would just be blowing up membership count.
Dont get me wrong. There is nothing wrong with not being in a corp, but personally I dont see any downsides to it...that is IF you are in the corp that SUITS you. If you are in the 'wrong' corp, then yes there are downsides to it (rules and API). But when you join the corp that fits you, neither the rules nor the API should be an disadvantage as you picked that corp because it suits you, if it does worry you...the corp isnt at fault, your own corp picking abilities is. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
425
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Posted - 2014.01.20 14:22:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:Marcus Avon wrote:I have a feeling though that you and I are in the minority on this so his advice was probably suitable for the vast majority of EVE players. That could be so amongst the contributors to this forum but a survey conducted by CCP a while back suggested that the opposite is true for the player base as a whole. Because that also includes alts etc. If CCP would look at my characters I own, about 12 of them are in NPC corps. That doesnt mean I like to play solo or dont want to be part of a corp, its because those particular alts dont need to be in a corp and if they were it would just be blowing up membership count. It was a questionnaire sent out to players asking about their primary play style, so I don't see how any of that is relevant.
J'Poll wrote:Dont get me wrong. There is nothing wrong with not being in a corp, but personally I dont see any downsides to it...that is IF you are in the corp that SUITS you. If you are in the 'wrong' corp, then yes there are downsides to it (rules and API). But when you join the corp that fits you, neither the rules nor the API should be an disadvantage as you picked that corp because it suits you, if it does worry you...the corp isnt at fault, your own corp picking abilities is. If I followed that advice I would be spending 100% of my EVE time searching for the corp that "suits" me. I'd rather be playing the game, thanks.
API and rules are by no means the only downsides for corp membership. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3550
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Posted - 2014.01.20 14:43:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:J'Poll wrote:Dont get me wrong. There is nothing wrong with not being in a corp, but personally I dont see any downsides to it...that is IF you are in the corp that SUITS you. If you are in the 'wrong' corp, then yes there are downsides to it (rules and API). But when you join the corp that fits you, neither the rules nor the API should be an disadvantage as you picked that corp because it suits you, if it does worry you...the corp isnt at fault, your own corp picking abilities is. If I followed that advice I would be spending 100% of my EVE time searching for the corp that "suits" me. I'd rather be playing the game, thanks. API and rules are by no means the only downsides for corp membership.
And who says you cant have fun playing the game while looking for the "perfect" group to fly with.
And name any other downsides on being in a corp that SUITS your gamestyle. Im not talking about being part of a corp that doesnt fit your gamestyle, if you are with people that match your gamestyle...there arent any dow sides I can think of as the group will think alike. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Cara Forelli
Darkstorm Corporation
236
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Posted - 2014.01.20 14:51:00 -
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Marcus Avon wrote:In fact I think its possible to argue that membership in a large corp is actually a moderate risk and a minor irritation what with the extra commitments, rules to follow, surrender of your API key and constant war decs. All this in exchange for what exactly?..... beats me.
What you describe sounds like a bad high sec corporation. There are many types of corps in EVE and they all offer different types of perks and or commitments. A wormhole corp is far different from a null sec bloc which is vastly different from a laid back faction warfare corp. And none of these have nearly as many downsides as you just described (ok...maybe null sec commitments). But in general, if you find a good corporation the benefits will outweigh the commitments.
That said, if you're happy as you are, don't worry about it! Exploration especially is mainly a solo venture and there just isn't much need for support from corp-mates. Just don't rule it out, as you might find you have changed your mind in a few months when you develop an interest in fleet combat or large scale production. And keep in mind that there are plenty of ways to interact with other players without joining a corp. Join public channels, go on public roams...just talk to interesting people in local. Interaction between players keeps ideas fresh and the game fun.
www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
New player with questions? Like to answer questions? Join my public channel in game:-áHouse Forelli |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3551
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Posted - 2014.01.20 15:06:00 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:Marcus Avon wrote:In fact I think its possible to argue that membership in a large corp is actually a moderate risk and a minor irritation what with the extra commitments, rules to follow, surrender of your API key and constant war decs. All this in exchange for what exactly?..... beats me. What you describe sounds like a bad high sec corporation. There are many types of corps in EVE and they all offer different types of perks and or commitments. A wormhole corp is far different from a null sec bloc which is vastly different from a laid back faction warfare corp. And none of these have nearly as many downsides as you just described (ok...maybe null sec commitments). But in general, if you find a good corporation the benefits will outweigh the commitments. That said, if you're happy as you are, don't worry about it! Exploration especially is mainly a solo venture and there just isn't much need for support from corp-mates. Just don't rule it out, as you might find you have changed your mind in a few months when you develop an interest in fleet combat or large scale production. And keep in mind that there are plenty of ways to interact with other players without joining a corp. Join public channels, go on public roams...just talk to interesting people in local. Interaction between players keeps ideas fresh and the game fun.
Want to stress stress on the last thing.
EVE is a MMO, play it multiplayer. That doesnt mean you must join a corp or must be part of a fixed group. But interacting with others can enhance your gameplay, even if it is just general chatter in a public chat with other capsuleer.
Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Samuel Triptee
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
13
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Posted - 2014.01.20 15:39:00 -
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Very good information!
I'll add a couple points to the list...
1. If you join a corporation and then leave for some reason, try not to burn the bridges on your way out. In other words, leave on good terms with the corporate directors if possible. You may need them in the future as allies.
2. Take your time finding the right fit for your style of game play. Chat with a few of the members. Each corporation will have a different feel because of the personalities of it's members. Spend the time to find a group you get along with. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3092
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Posted - 2014.01.20 15:56:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Solo you will find EVE a very boring place, and likely cancel your subscription in short order. Tau, you give an enormous amount of helpful information in this forum and I make a point of reading what you have to say about anything that interests me, so I'm very surprised to see you post this. How do you know what another person will or will not find boring? I don't, hence I clearly stated "likely".
Oraac Ensor wrote:I've been playing for just over two years and have never been in a player corp other than EACS and yet I find EVE anything but boring. I have repeatedly compared the pros and cons of corp membership and can't find anything on the pro side that would outweigh the cons. You and I are in the minority.
Oraac Ensor wrote:If, as a very experienced player, you tell a newbie categorically that being in a corp is the only way to enjoy EVE you're not doing him any favours. Suppose he joins a corp but finds that he doesn't like the experience. If he takes your word as gospel he may take the view that if that's the best the game has to offer then he may as well leave, when in fact if he stayed on he may find that he enjoys the solo experience. How does that help either him or the game as a whole? Hence I clearly stated, "Of course there are good corps and bad ones, so don't feel you have to stay in a bad one."
Oraac Ensor wrote:The OP has asked about the benefits of corp membership - please by all means tell him what you perceive them to be, but don't tell him what he will or will not think. Nothing I've posted in my 5 years can be construed as anything more than my opinion, especially in a thread where the OP calls for opinions. |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
759
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Posted - 2014.01.20 16:53:00 -
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I find it telling that the two people in this thread advocating staying in an NPC corporation both admit that they have never tried being in a player corporation (except for Marcus and his tax shelter corp, which doesn't count.
It is true that not every player corporation is created equal. Join the wrong one (for you) and you may wish you hadn't. Fortunately, they are easier to leave than they are to join.
Let's think a little bit about the pros and cons of player corps. Obviously not all of these things apply to all corps.
Pros: It greatly facilitates fleet activities. Large corps and alliances have fleets up all the time, and scheduled activities. Many people are attracted to EVE by large fleet battles. Random jackoffs in NPC corps don't get to participate in these things.
Community. It's fun to be part of a great community of players. To share in each other's victories and help each other overcome hardships. It is good to log on and see familiar faces.
Training/Mentoring. Not all corps will offer this, but NPC corps certainly do not.
Ship replacement programs.
Ore buy back programs.
Communal assets- POSes, POCOs, Titan bridge networks
Corp services - refining, hauling, etc
Wardecs - you can declare war on your rivals and kill their ships in highsec. This is lots of fun.
Cons:
AWOXing. This is only a con, of course, if you are the victim and not the perpetrator. Corp members can shoot each other in highsec. Most won't, but you always need to be a little bit suspicious. Good leadership can almost always prevent this from happening.
Bad leadership. Some corporations suck because they have a terrible CEO. A little research before joining goes a long way. Be especially wary of corps led by very new players - most of the time the CEO barely knows what game he is playing.
Wars. Wars are lots of fun, but they also put your assets at risk, so some people don't like them. To which I would say that if pointlessly accumulating assets is fun for you, stop playing video games and go get a job. everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
1364
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Posted - 2014.01.20 16:59:00 -
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After having observed the thread for a couple of days its time for me to join in on the discussion as well.
First off, you should have doubts. No matter what corporation you end up joining there will be disadvantages. It dosent matter how great the corp is, or how well you get along with the members or the leadership, it will never be "perfect". However, this is true for all routes you can take in EVE, the key is finding something where the benefits outweighs the disadvantages (or at least the benefits are so great that you dont mind the disadvantages so much). I know someone has already linked this, but im going to link it again to make sure it dident get missed. This "guide" is supposed to help you understand the benefits and disadvantages of the choices you have once you want to leave the NPC corp. Of course its not "set in stone" as in, benefits and advantages can change from corp to corp, person to person, but it might help answer some of your questions.
Second, its a very good question. While im a firm believer that most people wont be able to fully enjoy EVE without a steady group of people to play with, some simply prefer that play style. However, you are asking the question before you have really tried either option which leads me to believe that your.. concerned that it might end up badly based on experience from previous games.
In my experience corporations in EVE is a lot different from guilds/cabals/clans/whatever. You become a lot more.. tight with your group, you get to actually know people and talk to them outside of the weekly raid, and there is less off the whole "well you dont have full purple so we dont want to talk to you until you have done enough pugs to get what we want". This can be both good and bad, depending on your play style.
Some dont really want to get to close to the people they play with and prefer to stay on their own and just observe, others wants to be the center of attention, while some settles for being "something in between". But because of how EVE works, the different play styles, the different leadership styles, its possible to find corporations where you can be any of those things, you just have to look for them.
Third, i would suggest that you do join a corporation. Use the guide linked above to help you, if you join one that dosent suit you at all try another one, and repeat this 3 -4 times spending something like 2 weeks to a month in each corporation to make sure it really is not your thing (unless something drastic happens like they awox you as an example ).
If you at that point still dont feel 100% about being in a corp, leave and start your own solo corporation or just stay in the NPC corp. At least then when people ask you why your in a solo/npc corp you can say "I tried it, not for me, but good luck to you".
And with that, good luck and hope you find what your looking for, welcome to EVE Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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