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Athren Soulsteal
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Posted - 2006.03.24 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Athren Soulsteal on 24/03/2006 19:20:40 This is from a petition I have, The GM posted this:
Quote: Regarding the blueprints issue, it does seem extraordinary, switching the Mine Blueprint copies for Civilian Shield Booster Blueprint originals. If that was the solution to the resolving of the unlimited copies issue, I'm recommending on second thought, that you put this up for discussion on the forums.
Before we start discussing this here is a little background history. I started playing at BETA, when EVE went gold a lot of us Beta Testers had an advantage because we know the best trade runs, we knew the best areas to Ninja mine and how to setup profitable manufacturing bases. Within the first week I had ninja mined enough bisq that I was ungodly rich. I began buying every blue print I could find. I would buy originals when possible but there was actually a shortage of BPOS so I would buy Unlimited run BPCs.
Originally CCP thought that limiting the amount of originals would take care of the market because manufactures would grab these and guard them. After all any corp that had a BPO would corner the market in the area by being the only ones to manufacture the item. What they had not counted on was the laziness of the EVE players. They found that they could buy a BPO then make ten (10) copies and sell the copies for more than the original. Any sales after that was pure profit.
So within a month you had players that were buying up ever BPO they could find and making and selling thousands of BPCs and you had players like me that were buying the BPCs and manufacturing everything. It was great to be a manufacture because the BPC sellers were constantly trying to undercut the other corps so you could get a BPC for almost nothing, the free market system of supply and demand had kicked in and CCP had no idea what they had done. You see at the time BPC were unlimited run, CCP assumed that because you could not research BPC they would not be as desirable as BPOsą.
A side note, back then if you wanted to build stuff you had to train for the profession. Training was not the sped up version it is today. If you wanted to build ships then you had to train shipbuilding, and then frig building, then production, etcą If you wanted to be a ship retailer you had invested months and months of training. Back then Manufacturing was and actual profession.
Ok getting back on track, about six months into the game I owned a BPO/BPC for every raceĘs frigate, cruiser, industrial and level 1 battleship as well as almost every piece of equipment in the game from ammo (all types small to large) to ship upgrades. Of the BPs I owned 90% of them were unlimited run BPC, 8% were BPOs and 2% were the new limited run BPCs. Then came the Jove/Prat welfare Miner II debacle so I left.
This brings us to present day. last month when I restated my account I first looked at my avatars assets and noticed that I had maybe 6% of my blueprints. Then I remembered that I used to keep them in small secure cans. Back before anchoring you could not pick up a secure can without the password. So those of us that traveled would keep valuables in the cans, if our ships were destroyed all we had to do was wait till the area was clear and grab our stuff.
Anyway I had just a secure can at the base I was at so I opened it and saw it was full of BPs (about 84). I picked select all and pulled them to my dock. Poof almost the entire BPs disappeared. I figured it was a lag bug so I undocked and re-docked, nothing. I went to the next system and checked the can there. The same thing happened. I jumped 12 jumps to another of my old MFG bases but this time I picked the first BP and pulled it down by itĘs self. It worked; ok I picked the next one, this one disappeared. After experimenting I realized that all my unlimited run BPOs had disappeared while my original and limited run BPCs remained. But I had one other oddity, Back at the second base where I manufactured Ammo my BPOs for mines (explosive devices) were gone, in their place I had five (5) Civilian Shield Booster Originals.
This brings us to the discussion part. When the game changes and items are removed should or shouldnĘt the GMs replace items with in game items of similar type or value? For example say that CCP decided to remove the Thorax from the game, do they have a responsibility to replace the Thorax BPO with another ship BPO or is it ok to replace it with a miner 1 BPO?
Oh and I told the original GM that I did not care about the Unlimited Run BPCs because they should never have existed.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.24 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/03/2006 19:22:40 Mines can no longer be used, and were removed ages ago.
The item and BPO still exist, and can be bought on market (though its not listed). But its not usable.
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Athren Soulsteal
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Posted - 2006.03.24 19:29:00 -
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Yes mines still exist, at the base I had a stock pile of asp, andconda and python mines. But there is no market for them so I can not sell them and thats beside the point.
What is your opinion on items removed from the game, should the BPOs be substituted? You spent your time and isk to buy a BPO only to have it made worthless.
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Alexis DeTocqueville
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Posted - 2006.03.24 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/03/2006 19:22:40 Mines can no longer be used, and were removed ages ago.
The item and BPO still exist, and can be bought on market (though its not listed). But its not usable.
Quote: When the game changes and items are removed should or shouldnĘt the GMs replace items with in game items of similar type or value? For example say that CCP decided to remove the Thorax from the game, do they have a responsibility to replace the Thorax BPO with another ship BPO or is it ok to replace it with a miner 1 BPO?
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.03.24 19:33:00 -
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I thought unlimited run BPCs were converted to max run bpcs? --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
Gonada
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Posted - 2006.03.24 19:34:00 -
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GMs replace items with in game items of similar type or value? ---------------------------------------
no, why? because if you never had of left the game, you would not have had to be in this position.
you left the game, the game is a dynamic and everchanging thing. so if your not there to participate, make descisions, at that time, too bad for you.
theres many examples of this, but it all boils down to the fact that you dont ever leave a online game and exect everything to be the same when you get back.
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Kolthar
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Posted - 2006.03.24 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada GMs replace items with in game items of similar type or value? ---------------------------------------
no, why? because if you never had of left the game, you would not have had to be in this position.
you left the game, the game is a dynamic and everchanging thing. so if your not there to participate, make descisions, at that time, too bad for you.
theres many examples of this, but it all boils down to the fact that you dont ever leave a online game and exect everything to be the same when you get back.
True but i dont expect to come back to a game and see half my items go *poof* when i move them to a different container like the OP did :)
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.24 19:48:00 -
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They also didn't remove unlimited run BPCs--they converted them to 10x max run BPCs.
On the other hand, its weird that your items actually disappeared...
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Athren Soulsteal
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Posted - 2006.03.24 19:53:00 -
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Edited by: Athren Soulsteal on 24/03/2006 19:55:56
Quote: no, why? because if you never had of left the game, you would not have had to be in this position.
Why think you Jonny Storm I was a little cold. Did I forget to mention that I had not asked that ANY of the BPs be replaced. The issue was actualy started when I started moving my ships. The drone bays had shrunk so in most of the ships I had 75/50 space thus I had to move drones out of the bay before I could undock. The problem was that moving drones out of the bay caused them to POOF especally if the drone was a harvestor. That is what I petitioned
Are you new to MMOGs? I have yet to see one that you could not take some time away from and come back and start exactly where you left off.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.24 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Athren Soulsteal
Quote: no, why? because if you never had of left the game, you would not have had to be in this position.
Why think you Jonny Storm I was a little cold. Did I forger to mention that I had not asked that ANY of the BPs be replaced. The issue was actualy started when I started moving my ships. The drone bays had shrunk so in most of the ships I had 75/50 space thus I had to move drones out of the bay before I could undock. The problem was that moving drones out of the bay caused them to POOF especall if the drone was a harvestor.
That doesn't sound normal either. Last time I had to move drones out of the bayof a pre-RMR ship, they didn't "poof" for me. And to lose harvesters
I suggest you petition.
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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2006.03.24 19:57:00 -
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Well I think they shoudl give you something, after all you obviousley put a lot of work into get them in the 1st place. ----------------------------------------------
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.03.24 20:00:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 24/03/2006 20:01:04
Originally by: Hllaxiu I thought unlimited run BPCs were converted to max run bpcs?
I have some which are xlots maximum run, for some odd reason. They're still ever going to be used because they're ME0, mind you :)*
(*except the shuttle one, but come on, they're what 50k @ )
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2006.03.24 20:15:00 -
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You should definitely petition this.
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Athren Soulsteal
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Posted - 2006.03.24 20:38:00 -
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1. I did petition the loss of the drones,, and the responce has been humorious.
2. I did not care about the BPCs because I did not really work that hard for them. Keep in mind that back then I was mining Bisq in Kuben a 0.4 system. Rare ores were everywhere and just like the rest of the market I would buy Zid and mega for 200-300 isk because there was no NPC market. So I was buying minerals for almost nothing and building ships which at that time only a few ppl were skilled enough to build. Basickly I was a robber baron. I stll had my ships and thousand of items in over 30 bases so I lost nothing I could not replace except my Harvestors
3. To get back on track, what are your oppinions: When the game changes and items are removed should or shouldnĘt the GMs replace items with in game items of similar type or value? For example say that CCP decided to remove the Thorax from the game, do they have a responsibility to replace the Thorax BPO with another ship BPO or is it ok to replace it with a miner 1 BPO?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.24 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Athren Soulsteal
When the game changes and items are removed should or shouldnĘt the GMs replace items with in game items of similar type or value? For example say that CCP decided to remove the Thorax from the game, do they have a responsibility to replace the Thorax BPO with another ship BPO or is it ok to replace it with a miner 1 BPO?
As far as I know, CCP has never ever ever ever ever removed any item from the game.
Ever.
Period.
So your question is entirely hypothetical.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.03.24 20:43:00 -
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...except 0-run BPC's. But they'er not precisely an "item", I admit.
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Athren Soulsteal
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Posted - 2006.03.24 21:26:00 -
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in game, using the search function in the market look for an Asp mine
it will be listed there and perhaps you will even see a BPO for it there but you can not use them anymore. That is because the use of mines was removed from the game.
Therefor this is not a hypothetical debate but based on history of the game. Any one that owned any of the mine BPO has faced this issue and I am simply putting this up for disscussion as was suggested by the GM.
No one has any opinions on this? This is a great topic for discussion I don't want to expain why yet because I don't want to taint anyone's opinion.
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Turin
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Posted - 2006.03.24 21:44:00 -
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My opinion is. You got robbed dude. That being said, im not surprised. Most MMO companies have a track record for being rather unsympathetic to players who loose items due to game changes, and rarely do anything to try and soften the blow to those who are negativly effected.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.24 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/03/2006 21:45:19
Originally by: Athren Soulsteal in game, using the search function in the market look for an Asp mine
it will be listed there and perhaps you will even see a BPO for it there but you can not use them anymore. That is because the use of mines was removed from the game.
Therefor this is not a hypothetical debate but based on history of the game. Any one that owned any of the mine BPO has faced this issue and I am simply putting this up for disscussion as was suggested by the GM.
No one has any opinions on this? This is a great topic for discussion I don't want to expain why yet because I don't want to taint anyone's opinion.
They were not removed, the ability for launchers to use them was disabled.
The items themselves still exist.
No item worth a single ISK has ever been removed from EVE. If such items were removed from your hangar, it was a bug, and you should petition.
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