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Viviseciant
Kalypso Security Services Inc
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Posted - 2014.01.19 18:08:00 -
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AWOXing. Eve is a game that encourages mistrust. Very devastating when succesful and used alot in null politics. So null sec recruiters want full api with your application. . LOL. If you're new or poor it's np. Funny thing, imo, is only the truly stupid will be caught that way. Gives a false sense of security at best I would think and discourages established carebears from making the switch.
I think this and nonconsensual pvp in high sec are also the driving force in fewer newbs sticking around after a few bad experiences. I have quit and started playing a few times. Every time I come back to the stagnation of eve. The good new for evies is the dedicated fan bois keep it chugging along.
This is not a cry to change anything. Eve is what it is. Kind of a paradoxical balancing act for CCP and I think they do as well as possible considering what I think they are striving for. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18963
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Posted - 2014.01.19 18:10:00 -
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What makes you say that it's stagnant? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1046
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Posted - 2014.01.19 18:20:00 -
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You didn't have to put "OPINION " in the subject. Your baseless assertions were quite evident. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |
Na Und
Galactronics
161
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Posted - 2014.01.19 18:49:00 -
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Only because I'm weary of reading these threads: apply Occam's Razor, folks--a portion of the playerbase does not enjoy mashing d-scan every few seconds.
I have no solution, only the observation that it's one of the most effed-up game mechanics I've ever experienced. |
Roel Yento
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
32
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Posted - 2014.01.19 18:56:00 -
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The game promotes judgment and decision making. It promotes finding people you can trust and working with them. The game also promotes overcoming obsticles and knowing sometimes you will fail. Whether you quit or not is based on if you like a game that challenges you in these ways and work through your failures or you quit because the game was too hard for you.
Awoxing happens, spies happen, corp theifs happen. There are ways to mitigate your chances of this happening. Choosing the right people to associate with is what helps mitigate the severity of these actions. You wont truly know how far you can trust someone until you are at risk of them taking advantage of you.
I have been awoxed once and never stolen from. I have had billions of assets open to other people who could steal from me or i could steal from them yet it hasn't happened.... yet. It could happen any time I know but what is the point of playing a game and never taking any risks? |
Dave Stark
4285
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Posted - 2014.01.19 19:01:00 -
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awoxing isn't why i don't live in null. null sec being terrible for basically everything other than **** waving is why i don't live in null. |
Viviseciant
Kalypso Security Services Inc
6
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Posted - 2014.01.19 19:08:00 -
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Tippia wrote:What makes you say that it's stagnant?
http://evenews24.com/2014/01/10/jesters-trek-another-way-of-saying-never/ |
Na Und
Galactronics
161
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Posted - 2014.01.19 19:08:00 -
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Roel Yento wrote:The game promotes judgment and decision making. It promotes finding people you can trust and working with them. The game also promotes overcoming obsticles and knowing sometimes you will fail. Whether you quit or not is based on if you like a game that challenges you in these ways and work through your failures or you quit because the game was too hard for you.
Awoxing happens, spies happen, corp theifs happen. There are ways to mitigate your chances of this happening. Choosing the right people to associate with is what helps mitigate the severity of these actions. You wont truly know how far you can trust someone until you are at risk of them taking advantage of you.
I have been awoxed once and never stolen from. I have had billions of assets open to other people who could steal from me or i could steal from them yet it hasn't happened.... yet. It could happen any time I know but what is the point of playing a game and never taking any risks?
Precisely the sort of bullcrap advice I expected here: "Trust people, but don't."
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18963
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Posted - 2014.01.19 19:23:00 -
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GǪwhich doesn't mention nullsec population. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Viviseciant
Kalypso Security Services Inc
6
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Posted - 2014.01.19 19:24:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:You didn't have to put "OPINION " in the subject. Your baseless assertions were quite evident.
My opinion is based up my experiences in this game since I first rolled a toon. The reasons I keep quitting and coming back. And fyi... I put it there in the hopes that people like you would not open the post. You have an opinion that is different than mine. Shock and astonishment. That does not make your opinion baseless. Just makes you wrong . And I should point out that was a joke. Forum warriors are having more fun. |
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Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
857
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Posted - 2014.01.19 19:34:00 -
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Brave Collective came out of nowhere and is doing fine. There's nothing stopping you from breaking the perceived stagnation. Nullsec entry requires more organization and effort than a casual player usually wants to put in. If you want to lead a force of people into nullsec, establish yourselves, and grow to contend with current power-houses, you have to understand things like diplomacy, you have to understand that trying to be 'elite' will get you nowhere, that niche has been filled. You have to be open to taking NEW pilots and turning them into warriors. You have to know your players and guide the culture, you have to have failsafes against disgruntled and burned out leadership, and you have to actually want to play with the people you join up against.
This was really hard for people in the days of World Of Warcraft, when you just needed to herd 40 cats. Eve online requires you to routinely find stuff to do for not 40, but sometimes 400 or 4000 people. Not everyone is cut out for that and CCP can't just magically give people the skills and time requires to make it happen.
A few years from now the null-map will have fresh faces as well as old ones. Everyone says null is dead all the time, but the reality is alliances are ever changing, goons just raised up an entire alliance, watched it bloom into its own coalition, and then put it down like a stray dog. The south almost never consistently holds the same group of people for very long. The long time players are there, and internal rot will destroy them before you ever do, but that doesn't mean nothing will ever change. Goons will exit this game one day, I don't know when or how, but one day the drive to play won't be there. Something better might come along or CCP might ruin the game too much, or N3/PL might crush us so badly we won't have the numbers to be relevant, but someone will take our place and probably be as annoying or worse, and you'll hate them just the same and still cry the same old song and dance about how null is stagnant. |
Demica Diaz
SE-1
123
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Posted - 2014.01.19 19:38:00 -
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Agree with OP. Requesting full API is not going to save you from infiltrator but it will deny you of people who wish to join but not willing to give up their privacy.
But I do not think it is reason why EVE population is in stalemate. Like I said in past, CCP cares for EVE players. Without EVE players there would be no CCP and EVE players hate radical changes. So game runs on top of the notch graphics but with ten years old gameplay pattern. EVE is the game with modern graphics but ancient core. So this leaves CCP in stalemate. Cater for EVE vets who are known to frown upon major changes or change game drastically in hope to bait more fish. Cant to both, just cant. Besides it seems that people getting tired of mmo genre.
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2342
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Posted - 2014.01.19 19:40:00 -
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Tippia wrote:What makes you say that it's stagnant?
The devil. Isn't it always the devil? Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Roel Yento
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
32
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Posted - 2014.01.19 19:57:00 -
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Na Und wrote:Roel Yento wrote:The game promotes judgment and decision making. It promotes finding people you can trust and working with them. The game also promotes overcoming obsticles and knowing sometimes you will fail. Whether you quit or not is based on if you like a game that challenges you in these ways and work through your failures or you quit because the game was too hard for you.
Awoxing happens, spies happen, corp theifs happen. There are ways to mitigate your chances of this happening. Choosing the right people to associate with is what helps mitigate the severity of these actions. You wont truly know how far you can trust someone until you are at risk of them taking advantage of you.
I have been awoxed once and never stolen from. I have had billions of assets open to other people who could steal from me or i could steal from them yet it hasn't happened.... yet. It could happen any time I know but what is the point of playing a game and never taking any risks? Precisely the sort of bullcrap advice I expected here: "Trust people, but don't."
As in real life, trust people to an extent. You shouldn't fully trust everyone you meet let alone right when you first meet them. It is something that is gained over time but you should also be aware there are certain factors in life that could cause someone to do something that would make them lose your trust. EVE is a game but as in real life, people can betray or take advantage of you, even those you trust. As in real life, you miss out on experiencing many things if you never take a risk and decide to trust someone. How exactly is this BS advice?
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Sul Glass
Iron Crown JINN.
21
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Posted - 2014.01.19 19:58:00 -
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Why Null sec population is stagnant? It is not "stagnant" it is empty. Look at the map.
So the question for me is how to get traffic into Null?
The perfect place for PVP, no concord, no gate/station guns and yet the PVPers hardly go there (except for pre planned huge fleets). On any given hour of any given day the majority of Null systems are EMPTY.
You can't get in and live in, except by kissing ass, renting or trying to join the very meta game that is make Null a barren desert.
It's a bloody sadness.
Solutions? I don't know; bubbles are a propblem, no base to keep ships is a problem, Sov is a damn problem. If Null was easier to fly in, low would be too and more pilots would venture out of high, this seems obvious to me. I would love to explore in Null and see all of New Eden (and this is from the pilot who has flown all around the outside of New Eden, round Null), it is never going to happen as is. Shame.
Fly Safe, Sul.
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Na Und
Galactronics
161
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Posted - 2014.01.19 20:00:00 -
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Roel Yento wrote:Na Und wrote:Roel Yento wrote:The game promotes judgment and decision making. It promotes finding people you can trust and working with them. The game also promotes overcoming obsticles and knowing sometimes you will fail. Whether you quit or not is based on if you like a game that challenges you in these ways and work through your failures or you quit because the game was too hard for you.
Awoxing happens, spies happen, corp theifs happen. There are ways to mitigate your chances of this happening. Choosing the right people to associate with is what helps mitigate the severity of these actions. You wont truly know how far you can trust someone until you are at risk of them taking advantage of you.
I have been awoxed once and never stolen from. I have had billions of assets open to other people who could steal from me or i could steal from them yet it hasn't happened.... yet. It could happen any time I know but what is the point of playing a game and never taking any risks? Precisely the sort of bullcrap advice I expected here: "Trust people, but don't." As in real life, trust people to an extent. You shouldn't fully trust everyone you meet let alone right when you first meet them. It is something that is gained over time but you should also be aware there are certain factors in life that could cause someone to do something that would make them lose your trust. EVE is a game but as in real life, people can betray or take advantage of you, even those you trust. As in real life, you miss out on experiencing many things if you never take a risk and decide to trust someone. How exactly is this BS advice?
And THAT is why you won't get people to move to null. QED |
Marsha Mallow
40
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Posted - 2014.01.19 20:09:00 -
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Viviseciant wrote:AWOXing Never been a victim of this, and I frequently fly to the wrong station in Jita.
Viviseciant wrote:nonconsensual pvp Some might argue you "consent" at the point of purchase in a PVP game - |
Roel Yento
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
32
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Posted - 2014.01.19 20:11:00 -
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Na Und wrote:Roel Yento wrote:Na Und wrote:Roel Yento wrote:The game promotes judgment and decision making. It promotes finding people you can trust and working with them. The game also promotes overcoming obsticles and knowing sometimes you will fail. Whether you quit or not is based on if you like a game that challenges you in these ways and work through your failures or you quit because the game was too hard for you.
Awoxing happens, spies happen, corp theifs happen. There are ways to mitigate your chances of this happening. Choosing the right people to associate with is what helps mitigate the severity of these actions. You wont truly know how far you can trust someone until you are at risk of them taking advantage of you.
I have been awoxed once and never stolen from. I have had billions of assets open to other people who could steal from me or i could steal from them yet it hasn't happened.... yet. It could happen any time I know but what is the point of playing a game and never taking any risks? Precisely the sort of bullcrap advice I expected here: "Trust people, but don't." As in real life, trust people to an extent. You shouldn't fully trust everyone you meet let alone right when you first meet them. It is something that is gained over time but you should also be aware there are certain factors in life that could cause someone to do something that would make them lose your trust. EVE is a game but as in real life, people can betray or take advantage of you, even those you trust. As in real life, you miss out on experiencing many things if you never take a risk and decide to trust someone. How exactly is this BS advice? And THAT is why you won't get people to move to null. QED
Yet people do move to null, not everyone but many move there and many leave. It is a cycle that will not end until the servers are shut down. Everyone in null at some point had to make the choice to move out there and have assets out there they could lose. Still didn't explain how my advice was BS. |
Viviseciant
Kalypso Security Services Inc
7
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Posted - 2014.01.19 20:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪwhich doesn't mention nullsec population. No growth in 5 yrs? So you disagree with the article? Increasing subs would hurt or help iyo? More subs would mean better resources going into the game. But some of that population boost should be in null and low shouldn't it?. Just cramming more peeps into mid and high sec is not really the best thing i think. Getting into a null corp is really the only way most people can live there. Because of trust issues full api needed. I understand why. Cant really blame em either. Eve is a harsh world. For me I would rather quit again than give anyone my jugular. And tell me i can give full api to corps with no worries. Lol. Yep. Safe as undocking from Jita 4\4 with 1.05 bil in the belly of that freighter. Without growth all it takes is another CCP game to take off and then i wonder how many resources will they sink into eve if there is a cash cow mooing at them? Maybe...maybe not. I brought up null because that is supposed to be the end game isn't it? Sov me some more. All I read is its broken. High sec is boring. Moving to null might be just as boring...mining is mining is mindless.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2219
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Posted - 2014.01.19 20:18:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:you have to understand that trying to be 'elite' will get you nowhere, that niche has been filled.
Hmmm, y'know that sounds kind of like... oh what's the word I'm looking for?
Stagnation, yeah that was it.
Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1966
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Posted - 2014.01.19 20:21:00 -
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Viviseciant wrote:AWOXing. Eve is a game that encourages mistrust. Very devastating when succesful and used alot in null politics. So null sec recruiters want full api with your application. . LOL. If you're new or poor it's np. Funny thing, imo, is only the truly stupid will be caught that way. Gives a false sense of security at best I would think and discourages established carebears from making the switch.
I think this and nonconsensual pvp in high sec are also the driving force in fewer newbs sticking around after a few bad experiences. I have quit and started playing a few times. Every time I come back to the stagnation of eve. The good new for evies is the dedicated fan bois keep it chugging along.
This is not a cry to change anything. Eve is what it is. Kind of a paradoxical balancing act for CCP and I think they do as well as possible considering what I think they are striving for.
I do not like to see anyone quit Eve, but if non-consensual attacks on folk in hi-sec are a game breaker for you, well, enjoy whatever game you move on to. This is not a signature. |
Roel Yento
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
32
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Posted - 2014.01.19 20:26:00 -
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Viviseciant wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪwhich doesn't mention nullsec population. No growth in 5 yrs? So you disagree with the article? Increasing subs would hurt or help iyo? More subs would mean better resources going into the game. But some of that population boost should be in null and low shouldn't it?. Just cramming more peeps into mid and high sec is not really the best thing i think. Getting into a null corp is really the only way most people can live there. Because of trust issues full api needed. I understand why. Cant really blame em either. Eve is a harsh world. For me I would rather quit again than give anyone my jugular. And tell me i can give full api to corps with no worries. Lol. Yep. Safe as undocking from Jita 4\4 with 1.05 bil in the belly of that freighter. Without growth all it takes is another CCP game to take off and then i wonder how many resources will they sink into eve if there is a cash cow mooing at them? Maybe...maybe not. I brought up null because that is supposed to be the end game isn't it? Sov me some more. All I read is its broken. High sec is boring. Moving to null might be just as boring...mining is mining is mindless.
Considering there is no end to the game other than offlining servers, sov null is no more endgame than being proficient at anything else you do in the game. Nothing wrong with giving api to corp you are joining. Not like you have to undock with your loaded freighter the moment you meet them. Also if you quit corp, delete the api. |
Viviseciant
Kalypso Security Services Inc
8
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Posted - 2014.01.19 20:29:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Viviseciant wrote:AWOXing. Eve is a game that encourages mistrust. Very devastating when succesful and used alot in null politics. So null sec recruiters want full api with your application. . LOL. If you're new or poor it's np. Funny thing, imo, is only the truly stupid will be caught that way. Gives a false sense of security at best I would think and discourages established carebears from making the switch.
I think this and nonconsensual pvp in high sec are also the driving force in fewer newbs sticking around after a few bad experiences. I have quit and started playing a few times. Every time I come back to the stagnation of eve. The good new for evies is the dedicated fan bois keep it chugging along.
This is not a cry to change anything. Eve is what it is. Kind of a paradoxical balancing act for CCP and I think they do as well as possible considering what I think they are striving for. I do not like to see anyone quit Eve, but if non-consensual attacks on folk in hi-sec are a game breaker for you, well, enjoy whatever game you move on to.
You should reread the post. I am saying new people. I been here on and off since 2006? If nonconsensual pvp was a breaker for me I would have quit in 2007. For good. |
Viviseciant
Kalypso Security Services Inc
8
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Posted - 2014.01.19 20:31:00 -
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Rolled in 2008. I knew it was a fat bottom number. |
Viviseciant
Kalypso Security Services Inc
8
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Posted - 2014.01.19 20:34:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:you have to understand that trying to be 'elite' will get you nowhere, that niche has been filled. Hmmm, y'know that sounds kind of like... oh what's the word I'm looking for? Stagnation, yeah that was it. Lol. Love your tagline. Belly laughed. |
Dyphorus
Meatshield Bastards The Bastards.
62
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Posted - 2014.01.19 21:00:00 -
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Of the time I've lived in 0.0, awoxing was barely even a concern. If you're in a strong corp that actually vets its member rather that accepting anyone that applies, it's not common. If you're in a renter corp full of null-bears that will take anyone that pays 50 mil a month to be there...
In my experience the one thing that really keeps people from leaving high sec is their aversion to any sort of risk. Like it or not, the majority of full time high-sec players are there because that where they want to be. They don't want to PvP, they don't want to have any chance of loosing something. They are high sec loving carebears because that's exactly what they want to be. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3250
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Posted - 2014.01.19 21:05:00 -
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Roel Yento wrote:The game promotes judgment and decision making. It promotes finding people you can trust and working with them. The game also promotes overcoming obsticles and knowing sometimes you will fail. Whether you quit or not is based on if you like a game that challenges you in these ways and work through your failures or you quit because the game was too hard for you.
Awoxing happens, spies happen, corp theifs happen. There are ways to mitigate your chances of this happening. Choosing the right people to associate with is what helps mitigate the severity of these actions. You wont truly know how far you can trust someone until you are at risk of them taking advantage of you.
I have been awoxed once and never stolen from. I have had billions of assets open to other people who could steal from me or i could steal from them yet it hasn't happened.... yet. It could happen any time I know but what is the point of playing a game and never taking any risks?
I agree with you, and it is good to find people you can trust to fly with. I look forward to joining your corp with an alt. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8659
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Posted - 2014.01.19 21:10:00 -
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Why does anybody pay attention to this guy? In fact how did he get elected to CSM in the first place? My EVE Videos |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
927
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Posted - 2014.01.19 21:30:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Why does anybody pay attention to this guy? In fact how did he get elected to CSM in the first place? He's not wrong though. Eve population, as a whole, has been stagnant for quite some time. Can you point to any specific source that article or this one uses which is in error?
You know, post something constructive that adds to the discussion, instead of just slinging poo at the other guy like a monkey in a tree. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8659
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Posted - 2014.01.19 21:46:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Why does anybody pay attention to this guy? In fact how did he get elected to CSM in the first place? He's not wrong though. Eve population, as a whole, has been stagnant for quite some time. Can you point to any specific source that article or this one uses which is in error? You know, post something constructive that adds to the discussion, instead of just slinging poo at the other guy like a monkey in a tree. He offers no solutions and no meaningful analysis besides some numbers and "most people decide they don't like EVE" and "you all don't want EVE to grow". I've seen other posts of his about this which amount to pretty much the same thing. My EVE Videos |
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