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Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
755
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Posted - 2014.01.21 10:41:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote: my humble opinion
Thanks for clarifying your opinion. Honestly, conveying your thoughts as your opinion would be far more constructive to this type of conversation. All of us play the game differently to a degree, and there is nothing wrong saying how you would have done it though.
I, for one, would have probably not said my piece had you opened with "Nice fight guys. Now if it were me, I'd have done..." You post how you want though, because I live in a free country and all that jazz :) Wormhole Minister of High Society @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
265
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Posted - 2014.01.21 13:37:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote: Letting people go ... and not causing the most harm to your enemy... Thats the problem right there and reason why you dont understand it. We are not enemies. W-Space Realtor |
Nash MacAllister
Anomalous Existence Surely You're Joking
105
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Posted - 2014.01.21 15:29:00 -
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Axloth Okiah wrote:Joan Greywind wrote: Letting people go ... and not causing the most harm to your enemy... Thats the problem right there and reason why you dont understand it. We are not enemies.
Exactly. There is no reason for the corps that actually live and fight regularly in w-space to be enemies. Sure we shoot each other, but it is all in good fun. There are far more groups out there carebearing in w-space that deserve the animosity if one must have it. We just evicted a bunch of ****s because they were the most obnoxious, offensive folks I have ever had the pleasure of meeting in Eve. Quite a distinction... Lol The enemy of my enemy is... -ájust another guy that needs killin' |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
477
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Posted - 2014.01.21 15:37:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote:
I guess the post didn't exactly convey what I think, which is my fault. "Disgusting" was the wrong word to use I admit, it is just in my humble opinion wormhole space could be so much more, but currently it is extremely lacking. Didn't mean to make it look like I'm shitting on the fight, it was a really good post and fight.
All I can do to change the current state of WH is to post on these forums, wish I could do more. Again if you think WH are amazing and complete then all the power to you, I am just trying to get a point across 1 wh denizen at a time.
It is not letting people go that annoys me, it is as a wh community we are forced, to let the pods of the ships we just destroyed go, so we have a small chance of more fights. The lengths we go to just to have fights is staggering. Fights should be easier than this to find, more fights should be had, not creating pseudo religions and letting pods go.
I love WH space and hope in the future it can live up to its full potential. Anyways will stop posting after this as to not hijack you thread
Think there is a difference in caring for kills and caring for killmails. Podding someone is mostly a nuisance and only necessary if him remaining able to reship would danger your OP. Else, how would you roam with the guys you just shot afterwards?
Everyone loves to roam null in AF-gangs. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
Moving pictures: The Enyo |
Key Dett
Sky Fighters
15
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Posted - 2014.01.21 16:31:00 -
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Nash MacAllister wrote:Axloth Okiah wrote:Joan Greywind wrote: Letting people go ... and not causing the most harm to your enemy... Thats the problem right there and reason why you dont understand it. We are not enemies. Exactly. There is no reason for the corps that actually live and fight regularly in w-space to be enemies. Sure we shoot each other, but it is all in good fun. There are far more groups out there carebearing in w-space that deserve the animosity if one must have it. We just evicted a bunch of ****s because they were the most obnoxious, offensive folks I have ever had the pleasure of meeting in Eve. Quite a distinction... Lol
This hits the nail on the head. In the first round on the video I specifically told my guys to let the pod go. I did this hoping to get a 2nd round and Polarized/syj did not disappoint. In the last round, Kynric was podded but it was because both sides knew it was the last hurrah. Once it was clear polarized had won they graciously allowed the rest of pods out.
I do not view groups like SSC, Kill, Polarized, Disavowed, SYJ and other Pvp wormhole groups as a enemy. These are the groups that can provide these type of skirmishes for my guys. If I ruthlessly killed their pods and didn't honor agreements we would be less likely to get fights going forward. For me it's more valuable to get the fights than to kill extra billion or two in pods. The larger fights is why I play not to gank miners or pad killboards.
@ Witchway
I could have kept Sky on field and killed a few more tengus and maybe a Loki or 2. The problem was going to be I would have lost most of the fleet. Sky will gladly take difficult fights however we will not suicide a fleet for a few extra kills. |
unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
79
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Posted - 2014.01.21 16:38:00 -
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Sounds like everyone had fun! I love reading those battlereports, keep em coming! |
Joan Greywind
No Swag Initiative
305
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Posted - 2014.01.21 17:10:00 -
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Nice video, it is much better when the actual comms are inputted also instead of the usual house music.
I gotta say that was one of the most chilled out fc's I heard. |
Hidden Fremen
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
290
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Posted - 2014.01.21 17:31:00 -
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Key Dett wrote:I could have kept Sky on field and killed a few more tengus and maybe a Loki or 2. The problem was going to be I would have lost most of the fleet. Sky will gladly take difficult fights however we will not suicide a fleet for a few extra kills.
Welps can be fun... I don't always post in >Wormholes>, but when I do, I immediately regret it because the thread is so sh*t... |
Nash MacAllister
Anomalous Existence Surely You're Joking
106
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Posted - 2014.01.21 17:33:00 -
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illy velo wrote:GF all,
My first battle against my old crew. Many good times with Gunner, Jace and Nash back in the day. Here's to many more battles ahead.
You are dead to me. The enemy of my enemy is... -ájust another guy that needs killin' |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
74
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Posted - 2014.01.21 17:41:00 -
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Not to back Joan, but if you had podded them all out.... it's not like they wouldn't come back and do it again. It's a cool gesture I guess, but I would say those that come to fight understand that podding happens - especially in wh. I've let maybe 3 pods go in my eve career. All very new folks that I guess at the time seemed like the right thing to do.
All I'm saying is let's not get some unwritten understanding that pods should be let go. They shouldn't. It can happen, but doesn't have to. I don't let pods go and never will. I got podded earlier this week in empire (???? yeah right ????). I don't even know who it was. Never really looked. I poached a few mission BS, got a kill right activated and pop. I'm not quitting eve and neither will sky fighters if they happen to get podded.
short version - wh 'rules' are getting out of hand - don't make more. |
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Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
755
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:43:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:wh 'rules' are getting out of hand - don't make more.
You mean like your rule that we have to pod? You play your way, let others play their way. Wormhole Minister of High Society @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
272
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Posted - 2014.01.21 20:07:00 -
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Key Dett wrote:These are the groups that can provide these type of skirmishes for my guys. If I ruthlessly killed their pods and didn't honor agreements we would be less likely to get fights going forward. I think december made it abundantly clear what happens when agreements arent honoured and grudges are made...
W-Space Realtor |
Blademaster Hattori
Flying With Animals Animal Farms
32
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Posted - 2014.01.21 21:47:00 -
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They were not too happy with our Ishtar Army last night, but it was nice to see people for fights PI_Trader - Creating, designing and managing your PI sales market tool |
Winthorp
Sky Fighters
612
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:04:00 -
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Blademaster Hattori wrote:They were not too happy with our Ishtar Army last night, but it was nice to see people for fights
My damn Devoter jumping back and forth getting session changes to catch all the T3's scurrying away missed getting on all the KM's.
Was disappoint you wouldn't sing on comms to save the last few T3's.
We don't understand why you ran though you had better numbers in better ships? But i did make a point to have the guys pod you as with our numbers we couldn't afford you reshipping. -1 But click like so i can beat Banes likes.-á |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
76
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Posted - 2014.01.22 11:42:00 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:wh 'rules' are getting out of hand - don't make more. You mean like your rule that we have to pod? You play your way, let others play their way.
I like snarky - it suits you. Your 'rough' interpretation of what I said is..... bad. I'm reaching out to my contacts in CNN - they need more guys like you. |
JamesWyh
Probe Patrol Polarized.
15
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Posted - 2014.01.22 14:55:00 -
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Awesome stuff happening with our us/az. Very proud alliance leader here :)
We had an interesting run in with Animal farm which sounds very similar with yours |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
759
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Posted - 2014.01.22 15:34:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Proclus Diadochu wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:wh 'rules' are getting out of hand - don't make more. You mean like your rule that we have to pod? You play your way, let others play their way. I like snarky - it suits you. Your 'rough' interpretation of what I said is..... bad. I'm reaching out to my contacts in CNN - they need more guys like you.
Delusional and condescending don't really suit you, but fear not, I've contacted the boys at Fox News and they have a spot reserved just for you! Wormhole Minister of High Society @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
Key Dett
Sky Fighters
16
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Posted - 2014.01.22 15:44:00 -
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unimatrix0030 wrote:Sounds like everyone had fun! I love reading those battlereports, keep em coming!
We missed you guys by minutes last night. We got to the mag you were connected to as you finished rolling. |
Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Polarized.
316
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Posted - 2014.01.23 14:14:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Not to back Joan, but if you had podded them all out.... it's not like they wouldn't come back and do it again. It's a cool gesture I guess, but I would say those that come to fight understand that podding happens - especially in wh. I've let maybe 3 pods go in my eve career. All very new folks that I guess at the time seemed like the right thing to do.
All I'm saying is let's not get some unwritten understanding that pods should be let go. They shouldn't. It can happen, but doesn't have to. I don't let pods go and never will. I got podded earlier this week in empire (???? yeah right ????). I don't even know who it was. Never really looked. I poached a few mission BS, got a kill right activated and pop. I'm not quitting eve and neither will sky fighters if they happen to get podded.
short version - wh 'rules' are getting out of hand - don't make more.
you fail to understand the point
i cant be bothered. if were in a fight pods will be killed without second thought, we had some smartbombing tengu that sent several home.
but once the fight is over, i am not going to chase pods through my system. i am not going to camp my static for endless hours try to catch those pods. the only thing they can do is selfdestruct. and what could i possible gain from them selfdestructing? i cant even scan down their corpse.
the pods in my system are dscan clutter that i can do without. we let them go back, they are out of my system, they are where they want to be, everyone wins. The fact that they can fight again against us or maybe even you is just the cherry on top
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
78
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Posted - 2014.01.23 14:53:00 -
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I think you guys might be missing my point. I just don't want another unwritten rule. I wasn't trying to tell anyone what to do or what not to do with pods.
I'll try to be more clear:
I don't let pods go (though your camping/clean up arguement has much merit). I'm not judging anyone for their actions one way or the other on post battle pod management (heh).
If WH guys get podded I don't think it will deter them coming back in the future.
We already have the arbitrary 'WH bros have to fight or they are unwothy' thing going. I just don't want to see 'we have to let pods go after a good fight' get traction.
I don't want to have Kieth Richards pulling out 'the code' and reading me my list of infractions at the end of the day. We fight, we choose not to fight, we pod, we choose not to pod - whatever. There's just too many folks telling other folks how it has to be done. I'm against that. So... my post was a request not to make letting pods go a rule. I fear for losing that mad max picture they put under wh life and having it replaced with a picture of Miss Manners. |
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Talaq
Anomalous Existence Surely You're Joking
13
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Posted - 2014.01.23 15:44:00 -
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There isn't a rule to not pod, in all fairness this just happens between groups that skirmish in w-space more often, it's just a courtesy thing cause the next day we might just fly together vs someone else.
(cept Bane ofc, the APB stands for allways pod Bane.)
It's always dependent on who is there, if there is a corp that just always pods post fight, I'm sure they can expect the favor back at them if the role's are reversed.
AE Diplomat I have the heart of a Pirate, It's in a jar on my desk.
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chris elliot
Yoyodyne corporation Shadow Cartel
331
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Posted - 2014.01.23 19:46:00 -
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Sith1s Spectre wrote:
Who are you and what have you done with Ama? The Ama i know struggles to write full sentences, posts **** pics in nullsec local, gets themselves banned and gets kicked from our TS server constantly :P
As a fellow obsessive boob poster I too am surprised at the quality if his post. |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
356
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Posted - 2014.01.23 20:06:00 -
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I didn't even know we were still active in WHs anymore... |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
783
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Posted - 2014.01.23 20:12:00 -
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Onomerous wrote:I didn't even know we were still active in WHs anymore...
You do have a c2 corp in your alliance lol No trolling please |
Talaq
Anomalous Existence Surely You're Joking
13
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Posted - 2014.01.23 20:22:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:Onomerous wrote:I didn't even know we were still active in WHs anymore... You do have a c2 corp in your alliance lol
shh we are cloaked
AE Diplomat I have the heart of a Pirate, It's in a jar on my desk.
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Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
783
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Posted - 2014.01.23 20:37:00 -
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Talaq wrote:
shh we are cloaked
OMG AFK CLOAKING! NERF! NERF! No trolling please |
Nash MacAllister
Anomalous Existence Surely You're Joking
108
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Posted - 2014.01.23 21:02:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:Onomerous wrote:I didn't even know we were still active in WHs anymore... You do have a c2 corp in your alliance lol
Nobody in alliance knows where we come from, but they are happy when our fleets show up. The enemy of my enemy is... -ájust another guy that needs killin' |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
356
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:33:00 -
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Nash MacAllister wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Onomerous wrote:I didn't even know we were still active in WHs anymore... You do have a c2 corp in your alliance lol Nobody in alliance knows where we come from, but they are happy when our fleets show up.
I knew we had added some good corps to the Alliance but didn't know anything about them. Now I know!!
p.s. WHs are the best part of EVE... if you can get people to fight you. |
Malcolm Rennolds
Inquisition FiS Division Surely You're Joking
20
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Posted - 2014.01.26 04:09:00 -
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I view wormholes as group voracious tribal bands living under a isk faucet, drinking together one night and heartily brawling together the next. W-space can be Valahala, a eternity of good food, good booze and good fights, or it can be Nastrond where you fly ships of toenails and writhe around in snake venom.
Yet, I like pod kills. I'm also too lazy to try for them, especially vs people I respect or who might have reinforcements coming. In a 20v20 it's easy enough to afford a hic/dictor. In a 2v3 it's not worth the dps or utility loss. When I get a clean sweep or catch someone failing to roll a hole correctly I'll shoot there ship but I'm not gonna hold it on field while I bring a bubble or hictor**.
I'm not saying people shouldn't pod or that they should seek gf's instead of wins. Just realize that if you consistently seek wins over something resembling a gf your gonna find people pos'ing up and logging off instead of fighting. You view wormholes as the wild, untamed frontiers where everyone and everything must be killed so you can live alone in peace with your friends? Burn/pod/blob to your hearts content, that's certainly a valid view and one that I had when I lived in a c6. You want fights? You want people to match fleet comp/size? You want more than 10% of wormholes to have active corps that will fight? Make losing fun. Make people feel like they had a chance, had a good time even when they lose. Ask yourself "What would random lowsec pirate living in Tama/Rancer/Amamake do here?" and then do the opposite.
*Yeah it's a loaded term, sue me. My definition is:
Approximately equal fleets, both fleets had an equally effective trick (every fleet has a trick, or is a bad fleet) No one excessively brought reinforcements (3 person fleet brings in a cloaky loki scout, fine. 3 person fleet has 8 people log in, it might be gg but it's not a gf) No one excessively upshipped (Example: had someone hold me on a wormhole a few weeks ago while they reshipped from bombers to t1 BC's to t3 BC's, and when that didn't work to t3 BC's with battleship support at which point I jumped, cloaked and ran away) No on sh*t posted in local (unless funny or clever and clearly without malice).
**Unless you're from a blobby corp and I remember to turn my damn drones off. |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
785
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Posted - 2014.01.26 04:55:00 -
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Malcolm Rennolds wrote:I view wormholes as group voracious tribal bands living under a isk faucet, drinking together one night and heartily brawling together the next. W-space can be Valhalla, a eternity of good food, good booze and good fights, or it can be Nastrond where you fly ships of toenails and writhe around in snake venom.
Your words string together perfection; that which the dreams of children and kittens are born. Please, continue. Wormhole Minister of High Society @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
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