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K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:56:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:K Suri wrote:btw. Your FA boyfriend started the name calling. Have you chatted him for name calling yet? Well? Have you? If I were to witness him doing it in every thread he posted in I would call him out on it. Bullshit. I didn't (name call in "every thread") and you did (call me out).
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
104
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:06:00 -
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Wow is not as "safe" as people think. The only thing that is different is that when you die, you don't lose your stuff.
PVP in WOW, having PVP servers, is rough if you get corpse and graveyard camped. Your only hope is that someone with higher skills comes along and distracts them - or log in an alternate.
WoW suffers heavily from the "he who has no life wins" principle meaning that if you don't have time to raid constantly and get all twinked up with epics, you will get spanked in PVP. EvE is actually more friendly to casual players this way because you can spend an hour hitting an exploration site and come away with a couple of officer or deadspace modules.
The offline skill training that WoW does not have makes skilling up in profession much harder - making a million heavy leathers to skill up leatherworking.... get the idea.
I don't think that EvE has to be WoWed up to get the kind of player base that Blizzard has, but it could benefit from better mechanics that make it harder to get ganked.
Let's face it, it's the local in 0.0 and the use of gates. The gates are killing the game, because the people with the least in skills and poorest of playstyles are facilitated and rewarded by gate mechanics.
Eliminate these gates and let ships dial in a system to system warp "Star Trek Style" and this would retain players. For most players, when you run out of things to do in high sec, and you have blobs of griefers waiting for you in low and 0.0, what's the point? People want to be challenged, not insta-raeped. Get rid of gates and the warp bubble will be displaced by the combat probe and there is something that really matters: a chance.
If WoW had permaloss and all of the major choke points had gankers, it would not have 11 million subscribers. If EvE gets rids of choke points, and being already large enough that there are not enough griefbears to cover every inch of space, people will stop getting bored in high sec and leaving.
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E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
116
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:11:00 -
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WoW also dpeends upon developed content rather than sand box.
Also WoW is in decline while EvE is constantly growing.... I have actually Un-subbed my acounts, We need more to do, not more to wear. E-mail me when CCP has decent content a casual player can access in a 1-2h play period that is actually fun and contributes to long term goals. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
53
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:13:00 -
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K Suri wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:K Suri wrote:btw. Your FA boyfriend started the name calling. Have you chatted him for name calling yet? Well? Have you? If I were to witness him doing it in every thread he posted in I would call him out on it. Bullshit. I didn't (name call in "every thread") and you did (call me out).
Relax, I have only called YOU an idiot in the threads I have posted in recently. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |
Krios Ahzek
42
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:14:00 -
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K Suri wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:K Suri wrote:btw. Your FA boyfriend started the name calling. Have you chatted him for name calling yet? Well? Have you? If I were to witness him doing it in every thread he posted in I would call him out on it. Bullshit. I didn't (name call in "every thread") and you did (call me out).
I'm beginning to like these forums. Tasty drama.
Although... I wonder, what do people actually talk about here when there's no huge suicide ganking campaign? Villain. Hero. Warrior. Lover. |
Aggressive Nutmeg
30
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:21:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Let's face it, it's the local in 0.0 and the use of gates. The gates are killing the game, because the people with the least in skills and poorest of playstyles are facilitated and rewarded by gate mechanics.
Eliminate these gates and let ships dial in a system to system warp "Star Trek Style" and this would retain players. For most players, when you run out of things to do in high sec, and you have blobs of griefers waiting for you in low and 0.0, what's the point? People want to be challenged, not insta-raeped. Get rid of gates and the warp bubble will be displaced by the combat probe and there is something that really matters: a chance.
If WoW had permaloss and all of the major choke points had gankers, it would not have 11 million subscribers. If EvE gets rids of choke points, and being already large enough that there are not enough griefbears to cover every inch of space, people will stop getting bored in high sec and leaving.
Rings true to me. |
Krios Ahzek
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:25:00 -
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If there were no gates we'd never see anyone, ever.
If they remove gates, they better add a 3D 10 AU range, instantly updated, scanner/map of the solar system that you can use to warp to anyone or anything within 10 AU. There's no way I'd want to use probes all the time. I have no tears to cry. |
K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
23
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:34:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:K Suri wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:K Suri wrote:btw. Your FA boyfriend started the name calling. Have you chatted him for name calling yet? Well? Have you? If I were to witness him doing it in every thread he posted in I would call him out on it. Bullshit. I didn't (name call in "every thread") and you did (call me out). I'm beginning to like these forums. Tasty drama. Although... I wonder, what do people actually talk about here when there's no huge suicide ganking campaign? And more to the point, if it's so "right" and so "normal" why IS it being talked about so much? |
K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
23
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:35:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:K Suri wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:K Suri wrote:btw. Your FA boyfriend started the name calling. Have you chatted him for name calling yet? Well? Have you? If I were to witness him doing it in every thread he posted in I would call him out on it. Bullshit. I didn't (name call in "every thread") and you did (call me out). Relax, I have only called YOU an idiot in the threads I have posted in recently. Gimme a kiss sweetie. You're an absolute treasure. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
53
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:36:00 -
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K Suri wrote:KrakizBad wrote:K Suri wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:K Suri wrote:btw. Your FA boyfriend started the name calling. Have you chatted him for name calling yet? Well? Have you? If I were to witness him doing it in every thread he posted in I would call him out on it. Bullshit. I didn't (name call in "every thread") and you did (call me out). Relax, I have only called YOU an idiot in the threads I have posted in recently. Gimme a kiss sweetie. You're an absolute treasure.
Don't want turbonigg** aids, thanks. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |
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Krios Ahzek
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:38:00 -
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K Suri wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:K Suri wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:K Suri wrote:btw. Your FA boyfriend started the name calling. Have you chatted him for name calling yet? Well? Have you? If I were to witness him doing it in every thread he posted in I would call him out on it. Bullshit. I didn't (name call in "every thread") and you did (call me out). I'm beginning to like these forums. Tasty drama. Although... I wonder, what do people actually talk about here when there's no huge suicide ganking campaign? And more to the point, if it's so "right" and so "normal" why IS it being talked about so much?
I'd say it's because it's the only large strategic operation that's currently happening in game. I have no tears to cry. |
Russell Casey
One Ton Reverberation Project
76
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:48:00 -
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E man Industries wrote:WoW also dpeends upon developed content rather than sand box.
Also WoW is in decline while EvE is constantly growing....
I thought EVE died last summer. |
K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:50:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:I'd say it's because it's the only large strategic operation that's currently happening in game. That's one view despite the fact that strategic is a misnomer. That was a Goons justfication for it so they don't get their ass kicked for griefing.
Someone once said that Goons have misjudged CCP here. They have MADE suicide ganking a hot topic and their intent, if there ever was one, may backfire on them. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
26
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:59:00 -
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K Suri wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:I'd say it's because it's the only large strategic operation that's currently happening in game. That's one view despite the fact that strategic is a misnomer. That was a Goons justfication for it so they don't get their ass kicked for griefing. Someone once said that Goons have misjudged CCP here. They have MADE suicide ganking a hot topic and their intent, if there ever was one, may backfire on them. Except it isn't griefing.
Per CCPs definition, it is nearly impossible to grief a group of people as large as all ice miners in Gall space.
In fact, as they are providing a way out (moving to another empire), Goons are definitely not griefing.
Ugh I'm defending Goons... I feel dirty. |
K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
24
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Posted - 2011.11.10 00:07:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:K Suri wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:I'd say it's because it's the only large strategic operation that's currently happening in game. That's one view despite the fact that strategic is a misnomer. That was a Goons justfication for it so they don't get their ass kicked for griefing. Someone once said that Goons have misjudged CCP here. They have MADE suicide ganking a hot topic and their intent, if there ever was one, may backfire on them. Except it isn't griefing. Per CCPs definition, it is nearly impossible to grief a group of people as large as all ice miners in Gall space. In fact, as they are providing a way out (moving to another empire), Goons are definitely not griefing. Ugh I'm defending Goons... I feel dirty. If I were to buy a Mack and mine in Bramiel (sic) I would get popped by a Goon. If I were to buy another Mack and mine in Bramiel I would get popped again by a Goon. If I were to buy another Mack and mine in Bramiel I would get popped again by a Goon.
How many times do I need to do this before it's called griefing as per CCP's "rules"? And if moving locations is a defense to deny griefing can I go to another Gall ice field and mine ice? I bet not.
The rule is ambiguous and "justifying" the campaign by using the wording of the definition should ALSO allow for the interpretation of griefing for the ganked. Does that make sense? |
Krios Ahzek
43
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Posted - 2011.11.10 00:08:00 -
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They doubled gallente ice prices, as long as they bought some before to profit from it, it's not griefing but a valid gameplay maneuver. I have no tears to cry. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
26
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Posted - 2011.11.10 00:10:00 -
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K Suri wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:K Suri wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:I'd say it's because it's the only large strategic operation that's currently happening in game. That's one view despite the fact that strategic is a misnomer. That was a Goons justfication for it so they don't get their ass kicked for griefing. Someone once said that Goons have misjudged CCP here. They have MADE suicide ganking a hot topic and their intent, if there ever was one, may backfire on them. Except it isn't griefing. Per CCPs definition, it is nearly impossible to grief a group of people as large as all ice miners in Gall space. In fact, as they are providing a way out (moving to another empire), Goons are definitely not griefing. Ugh I'm defending Goons... I feel dirty. If I were to buy a Mack and mine in Bramiel (sic) I would get popped by a Goon. If I were to buy another Mack and mine in Bramiel I would get popped again by a Goon. If I were to buy another Mack and mine in Bramiel I would get popped again by a Goon. How many times do I need to do this before it's called griefing as per CCP's "rules"? And if moving locations is a defense to deny griefing can I go to another Gall ice field and mine ice? I bet not. The rule is ambiguous and "justifying" the campaign by using the wording of the definition should ALSO allow for the interpretation of griefing for the ganked. Does that make sense? If you were to continue going to the Gall ice fields after being ganked over and over, you're either stupid or a bot. Especially because Goons are quite vocal about their campaign.
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K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
24
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Posted - 2011.11.10 00:16:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:They doubled gallente ice prices, as long as they bought some before to profit from it, it's not griefing but a valid gameplay maneuver. That's my point. I'll explain.
What if I decided to go after a rich player over and over again?
Does the very fact that there is salvage preclude a griefing petition because I can simply say it's for economic reasons - as per the CCP definition. |
K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
24
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Posted - 2011.11.10 00:19:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:K Suri wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:K Suri wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:I'd say it's because it's the only large strategic operation that's currently happening in game. That's one view despite the fact that strategic is a misnomer. That was a Goons justfication for it so they don't get their ass kicked for griefing. Someone once said that Goons have misjudged CCP here. They have MADE suicide ganking a hot topic and their intent, if there ever was one, may backfire on them. Except it isn't griefing. Per CCPs definition, it is nearly impossible to grief a group of people as large as all ice miners in Gall space. In fact, as they are providing a way out (moving to another empire), Goons are definitely not griefing. Ugh I'm defending Goons... I feel dirty. If I were to buy a Mack and mine in Bramiel (sic) I would get popped by a Goon. If I were to buy another Mack and mine in Bramiel I would get popped again by a Goon. If I were to buy another Mack and mine in Bramiel I would get popped again by a Goon. How many times do I need to do this before it's called griefing as per CCP's "rules"? And if moving locations is a defense to deny griefing can I go to another Gall ice field and mine ice? I bet not. The rule is ambiguous and "justifying" the campaign by using the wording of the definition should ALSO allow for the interpretation of griefing for the ganked. Does that make sense? If you were to continue going to the Gall ice fields after being ganked over and over, you're either stupid or a bot. Especially because Goons are quite vocal about their campaign. I'm splitting hairs to a degree but the definition doesn't have "stupidity" as an option to justify griefing.
What if were simply new and didn't understand the mechanics or use the forums? How does someone make the call on "stupid" versus "new" versus "ignorant". Is it part of the policy?
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
26
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Posted - 2011.11.10 00:44:00 -
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As with the law, ignorance is no excuse.
Goons have provided a way out of being their target, and a very reasonable way out (game wise). It is not griefing. |
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K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
24
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Posted - 2011.11.10 00:48:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:As with the law, ignorance is no excuse.
Goons have provided a way out of being their target, and a very reasonable way out (game wise). It is not griefing. I used to think like this too. |
FeralShadow
Black Storm Cartel
18
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Posted - 2011.11.10 00:56:00 -
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Didn't read any of the posts again except a few but I have also thought about the automatic expulsion from NPC corps after N days. It could even be into another NPC corp, but this secondary corp will be able to be war decced. The first one is for new players, the second one is for people who are experienced. This will likely cause a massive amount of people to make 1 man corps, but the point is the same: They are deccable, and thus, not perfectly safe. Just like everybody else. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
105
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Posted - 2011.11.10 01:08:00 -
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FeralShadow wrote:Didn't read any of the posts again except a few but I have also thought about the automatic expulsion from NPC corps after N days. It could even be into another NPC corp, but this secondary corp will be able to be war decced. The first one is for new players, the second one is for people who are experienced. This will likely cause a massive amount of people to make 1 man corps, but the point is the same: They are deccable, and thus, not perfectly safe. Just like everybody else.
I am actually wondering if a deccable NPC corp would be cool.
I know that it's a griefbear wet dream but once, in noob camp, a couple of corpies got ganked and we put a BC and 2 cruisers together and gave the campers considerable hell.
A good time was had by all.
But like any good idea, people will wreck it. Democracy for example.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
848
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Posted - 2011.11.10 01:21:00 -
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K Suri wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:K Suri wrote:btw. Your FA boyfriend started the name calling. Have you chatted him for name calling yet? Well? Have you? If I were to witness him doing it in every thread he posted in I would call him out on it. Bullshit. I didn't (name call in "every thread") and you did (call me out). Are you eight years old? I have a young nephew that often uses the "but he started it!" defense when he's in trouble for acting out.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Christina Bamar
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:16:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:Christina Bamar wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:What EVE needs is a Goonswarm/TEST like alliance that puts rifters in newbie hands and teaches them how to live in Nullsec, but one that would actually recruit newbies off of the recruitment channel. you mean like Agony Unleashed or Eve-Uni? I read the Eve-Uni wiki. The ENTIRE THING. It's a good information resource. BUT. I'll be damned if I have to follow fascist laws about what I'm allowed to do or not because some troll has wardecced the corp. Besides, who wants to join Eve Hogwarts if it's possible to start being a Death Eater right away? I have no idea who Agony Unleashed is, but I haven't seen a single recruitment ad anywhere. Just read their wiki: ''Well, our ideal candidate would have at least 10 million SP in frigates''. See, that's where it fails. You need to grab the noobs before they spend 5 months alone in highsec and get bored. If this https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=31172Is serious (I wouldn't put my money on it) it's actually a great step towards that theoretical alliance. Just FYI, those are the requirement for actually joining Agony the corporation. We also run PvP classes for the larger EVE community, which don't have those same restrictions, and don't involve joining Agony. Agony isn't a training corporation, it's a 0.0 PvP corporation that offers training courses. http://www.agony-unleashed.com/wiki/index.php/Agony_PVP_Universityis the wiki page for our public classes. I already attend an university during the day, why would I want to join a space university ? Also, I'd have to pay 40 million ISK for the class? Sorry, I think I'd prefer learning everything the hard way. Less space school, more corps that find ways to make newbies matter. I don't get why every corp has SP requirements and such when it's been proven multiple times that tackling rifters can actually make a difference.
Eh, do what you like. We offer classes as a service for people who want them. Considering we've filled every class we've run for the past 6 years it would seem that some people do see the value (it's actually 20 mil for a basic class). It's hard for a brand new player to get good advice/instruction from experienced PvPers, much less to go out on a roam with them, much less while being able to stay in their current corp.
The reason a lot of corps (ours included) have things like SP requirements is that it takes time and effort to bring up new members. We only accept so many people at a time, and try to keep a good balance of old-timers to newer people (talking about new to the corp, not new to the game). Each time we accept a new trial we're dedicating a certain amount of time to bringing them into the fold, and we want to have a certain amount of faith that they'll still be around in 3, 6, 12 months. The simple fact of the matter is that a lot of new players come and go, and your chances of someone sticking around who has 10m SP are much higher than that guy with 1m SP who just joined the game. If you're a large corp you can probably absorb this cost without too much trouble, but if you're a small or tightly-knit corp this sort of heavy turnover is killer. New players take the most effort to bring on, and are the most likely to leave. You can either dedicate more time and effort to training up brand new recruits, or you can be selective in who you take. For most mature corps the later is much easier and more consistent.
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Ayuren Aakiwa
The Multinational Company.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:42:00 -
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@ The OP
You are dumb |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
857
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:58:00 -
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Ayuren Aakiwa wrote:@ The OP
You are dumb Don't be too hard on him. We don't want him to get discouraged and stop providing us with so much entertainment.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
29
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:23:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Ayuren Aakiwa wrote:@ The OP
You are dumb Don't be too hard on him. We don't want him to get discouraged and stop providing us with so much entertainment. Like HIS post is going to have a massive impact on my wellbeing.
Kinda proves my point actually. He's an Eve player with THAT level of intellect? |
Elric Astrius
MarSec Industries Gold Star Alliance
3
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Posted - 2011.11.10 10:32:00 -
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K Suri wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Ayuren Aakiwa wrote:@ The OP
You are dumb Don't be too hard on him. We don't want him to get discouraged and stop providing us with so much entertainment. Like HIS post is going to have a massive impact on my wellbeing. Kinda proves my point actually. He's an Eve player with THAT level of intellect?
I must say after reading 14 pages of this discussion that you are right on multiple levels when it comes to the intellect, however just because a player lacks intellegence doesnt prevent them from functioning at a basic level. Perhaps the main argument about the comparison with WOW is that with the nerfs people are complaining that CCP is trying to steer their PvE in the same way while you can choose to go into null sec and PVP with your corp; you are also able to play it safe. I think EVE is and always will be for those who are more mature and adulterated. I mean sure I am still clueless with PVP and trying to teach an old dog new tricks isnt the easiest but I am attempting to learn. I think in retrospect that the universe of New Eden is a melting pot and with this we are going to get our share of yahoos, but in the end after a few months of skilling up we see some of it weeded out, i think that some players are just stubborn to admit that EVE is just too complex for them. Sure I got a 5 subject note book to write in and help keep notes on websites and advice that goes along with the information and make my deicisions based on that but its not just the use of intellect alone that creates an EVE player.... I think EVE players are more driven then WOW players by a long shot and with this determination we do try to enforce a code that should be followed.
As one other player stated the "SP requirements" are to help sort out who is more dedicated and can only accept limited individuals based on this. My corp when I joined asked for my API, and honestly I like the system of security... now for ***** and giggles i activated a 7 day trial and revived/cancelled right after my 70 Goblin... They got a "guild finding" system that runs along EVE's dynamics and well according to an article (linked here)
http://www.pcworld.com/article/243465/world_of_warcraft_loses_2_million_subscribers_in_a_year.html
The game is reaching its peak and honestly there are many threads within the community's forums that beg the question of whether the game is dying, and well remember I am not a WOW player sure i was a little after BC but I am not one of those 10 year olds ( I am 27) and well the game of WOW was attractive back in 2004, but i went right from there to EVE in 2006 and well not to get personal i had situations where i had to quit for a period of time and returned now and plan on staying permamently... I just thought we should clear some misconceptions with the subject. I mean from an objective standpoint I think EVE will grow steadily as the WOWmania has settled they are using the new expansion as a way of establishing some level of players but I am even going as far to say that will fail along with D3 which is introducing the "cash shop" right off the bat on release and well I only determine the downfall when games start adding "cash shops" ... Sega however used this to their advantage with Spiral Knights which has reached over 1 million accounts... However this deviates from the original message, It comes down to what we as the players believe and have our faith in ... If we have enough people stating loudly that EVE will fail.. Its only a matter of time before it does and I REFUSE to see this happen.
Sure I got alot to learn again about EVE but I am not giving up.... Do i see some similarites about WOW... yes but WOW is copying EVE in alot of ways and it digusts me to know that they have to sink this low for players. As stated before its what "we" believe as the playerbase in New Eden that truly matters. So this question should go to say ... Do you believe in New Eden? Would you Die for her? Would you ... Would you... You finish that statement ... EVE provides endless possibilties and well these are just my thoughts on the matter. |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
16
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Posted - 2011.11.10 10:38:00 -
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/signed
And no it has nothing to do with the fact I have "Cloaking" trained |
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