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Khadrea Shakor
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
18
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Posted - 2014.01.24 11:18:00 -
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Patri Andari wrote:The truly amazing thing this highlights is that people still run missions for faction navies. Gotta believe they have not seen any good LP conversion is a long time anyway.
Yeah, those are crazy people.
Take me, for example. Because I want to earn those Loyalty Points to get my Navy Drake BPC, in order to build it for myself. Using minerals i refined myself. From ore I mined myself.
Crazy people. Right? |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1801
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Posted - 2014.01.24 13:08:00 -
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Khadrea Shakor wrote:Patri Andari wrote:The truly amazing thing this highlights is that people still run missions for faction navies. Gotta believe they have not seen any good LP conversion is a long time anyway. Yeah, those are crazy people. Take me, for example. Because I want to earn those Loyalty Points to get my Navy Drake BPC, in order to build it for myself. Using minerals i refined myself. From ore I mined myself. Crazy people. Right? right.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2078
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Posted - 2014.01.24 13:44:00 -
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dexington wrote:I can't really see how this is going to have a big impact, when you consider how much LP is being made with incursions and fractional warfare.
Actually, Incursions make way way less than ALL null sec ratters combined. Consider how few people run Incursions (hundreds at one time, if there is one to run), and compare that to the 10's of thousands running null sec anom's non-stop. FW throws more into the mix than Incursions, but even then, a much smaller percentage of the player base is involved with FW than will be ratting in null.
There is going to be a massive impact on LP in the market. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4460
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Posted - 2014.01.24 13:55:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:dexington wrote:I can't really see how this is going to have a big impact, when you consider how much LP is being made with incursions and fractional warfare. Actually, Incursions make way way less than ALL null sec ratters combined. Consider how few people run Incursions (hundreds at one time, if there is one to run), and compare that to the 10's of thousands running null sec anom's non-stop. FW throws more into the mix than Incursions, but even then, a much smaller percentage of the player base is involved with FW than will be ratting in null. There is going to be a massive impact on LP in the market.
10s of thousands lol.
Divide 620-sih bil per day (the estimate of the null sec bounty isk infusion) by just 10,000 and see if you come up with a respectable income level. Unless you think that an average of 65 mil per day (ie the amount of money you can get from running an hour of non SOE lvl 4 missions in a T1 battleship) is a respectable income lol.
That amount of isk (620 bil) represents maybe 3-4 thousand null sec ratters making a decent-ish per day income. It looks like a lot because CCP many anomalies the core of the system's upgrade system and the lions share of that reward is liquid isk instead of the LP that is the big part of mission rewards.
You're prejudice against all things null sec is sickening.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4460
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Posted - 2014.01.24 13:58:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:trader joes Ichinumi wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:I doubt it. In many cases they might have well stayed in empire and ran missions and generated far more LP. Also FW is probably the greater danger to navy LP. I don't know about you, but people running 15,000 LP/ hour in high sec are pretty much running at a high rate. Given how much bounty ISK is generated in null, this is going to have a huge effect on LP valuation in high sec. Yes and no. Navy LP items will be reduced, so implants, ships, ammo, etc., will drop in value. The real question is how items that require tags will fare. On one hand, more LP means cheaper items. On the other hand more LP chasing the same amount of tags will increase tag prices which keeps item prices up. On a side note, I wonder if we'll see a buff to, and a tag reduction reduction requirement of faction weapons which would act as an isk sink? The ESS also gives out tags. So tag prices should drop. Not those kind of tags. You only get tags if you "take all" from the ESS instead of using the "share" option. The share option dumps the accumulated isk into everyone's wallet appropriately (i.e. fairly.) The "take all" tags are simply markers you cash in, e.g. a "one million" tag is worth one million isk. The LP is granted directly to you as you collect bounties. You only get LP if there's an ESS in the system. It seems like a lot of work to get and additional 10.5% in bounties, especially when you consider that non-ESS bounties are being reduced to 95%. The LP is a nice touch, but between Navy LP stores (which is already pretty low in value,) and faction warfare, the idea of adding a flood of Navy LP from null ratting seems pretty silly. So unless you have a lot of Navy LP, I wouldn't worry about it.
I think it should have been CONCORD LP since they are the ones who give the bounties. Either that or CCP should have made new corps with new LP stores.
I don't think anyone has anything to worry about, the ESS idea is so dumb alliances are already banning it's use as a matter of policy, not just because it attracts neuts to ratting ground, but because it stands to create drama among alliance mates. |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
59
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Posted - 2014.01.24 14:31:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:dexington wrote:I can't really see how this is going to have a big impact, when you consider how much LP is being made with incursions and fractional warfare. Actually, Incursions make way way less than ALL null sec ratters combined. Consider how few people run Incursions (hundreds at one time, if there is one to run), and compare that to the 10's of thousands running null sec anom's non-stop. FW throws more into the mix than Incursions, but even then, a much smaller percentage of the player base is involved with FW than will be ratting in null. There is going to be a massive impact on LP in the market. 10s of thousands lol. Divide 620-sih bil per day (the estimate of the null sec bounty isk infusion) by just 10,000 and see if you come up with a respectable income level. Unless you think that an average of 65 mil per day (ie the amount of money you can get from running an hour of non SOE lvl 4 missions in a T1 battleship) is a respectable income lol. That amount of isk (620 bil) represents maybe 3-4 thousand null sec ratters making a decent-ish per day income. It looks like a lot because CCP many anomalies the core of the system's upgrade system and the lions share of that reward is liquid isk instead of the LP that is the big part of mission rewards. You're prejudice against all things null sec is sickening.
124m LP a day is nothing to sneeze at, even if it converts at 100 (i.e. 10% of current values). Check your math. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4460
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Posted - 2014.01.24 15:11:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:
124m LP a day is nothing to sneeze at, even if it converts at 100 (i.e. 10% of current values). Check your math.
I was commenting on his standard BS about "10s of thousands of people doing anoms". There is no such thing, especially considering that there are only 40-50,000 charatcers in all of null sec at any given time. Wasn't talking about the LP.
But, it won't be that much LP being made anyway. Alliances are already banning friendly use of the ESS because of it's potential to cause drama among corp/alliance mates. In some places the things will be kill on site (whether it's blue or otherwise). |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1370
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Posted - 2014.01.24 15:32:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote: 124m LP a day is nothing to sneeze at, even if it converts at 100 (i.e. 10% of current values). Check your math.
This is making the big big BIG assumption that every single rat killed in nullsec, including mission rats and those in combat plexes, and every kill by ninja-ratting ishtars, are all done with active ESS's in system (and with those at their juiced up level, not the just-dropped level).
Never going to be anywhere close to 100% coverage, even if the structure sees massive adoption by nullsec entities.
Also lol "10s of thousands." There's 30k on TQ right now, I wonder how many 10's of thousands of them are ratting in null right now. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
59
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:16:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Loraine Gess wrote: 124m LP a day is nothing to sneeze at, even if it converts at 100 (i.e. 10% of current values). Check your math.
This is making the big big BIG assumption that every single rat killed in nullsec, including mission rats and those in combat plexes, and every kill by ninja-ratting ishtars, are all done with active ESS's in system (and with those at their juiced up level, not the just-dropped level). Never going to be anywhere close to 100% coverage, even if the structure sees massive adoption by nullsec entities. Also lol "10s of thousands." There's 30k on TQ right now, I wonder how many 10's of thousands of them are ratting in null right now.
All right, what would you say is a fair number? Half of nullsec? MTUs are practically required equipment for mission runners. Saying we hit 40m LP/day a total due to inefficiencies would still equate to ~640 medium plexes worth of LP at minmatar's T4 rate. That's actually slightly greater than minmatar's actual plex numbers yesterday, going by the ingame militia office. FW was said to kill a lot of LP stores and offers. If the ESS module gets even close to that we're going to see a splash in the markets, the only question is how big it will be.
*It should also be noted the other 3 factions are achieving equal or lesser results in LP/day each, due to their strategic situations. My math is not currently counting for defensive plexing inefficiencies, either. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1375
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:38:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Saying we hit 40m LP/day a total due to inefficiencies would still equate to ~640 medium plexes worth of LP at minmatar's T4 rate.
33% of all nullsec bounties being covered by the ESS seems like a huge overestimate. I think 33% is near the top end of what we might see IF large alliances everywhere adopt usage of the structure. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
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Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
59
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Posted - 2014.01.24 19:43:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Loraine Gess wrote:Saying we hit 40m LP/day a total due to inefficiencies would still equate to ~640 medium plexes worth of LP at minmatar's T4 rate. 33% of all nullsec bounties being covered by the ESS seems like a huge overestimate. I think 33% is near the top end of what we might see IF large alliances everywhere adopt usage of the structure.
It doesn't have much of a downside anymore. With a not-terrible intel channel you're still basically invincible. Even if you just abandon it every time a neut enters the system I think there's still good profit in it, which should lead to widespread adoption sooner or later.
On that note: Can it be anchored near POS towers? That would reduce its only real downside and leave the perceived drama. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2079
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Posted - 2014.01.24 20:17:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Batelle wrote:Loraine Gess wrote:Saying we hit 40m LP/day a total due to inefficiencies would still equate to ~640 medium plexes worth of LP at minmatar's T4 rate. 33% of all nullsec bounties being covered by the ESS seems like a huge overestimate. I think 33% is near the top end of what we might see IF large alliances everywhere adopt usage of the structure. It doesn't have much of a downside anymore. With a not-terrible intel channel you're still basically invincible. Even if you just abandon it every time a neut enters the system I think there's still good profit in it, which should lead to widespread adoption sooner or later. On that note: Can it be anchored near POS towers? That would reduce its only real downside and leave the perceived drama.
So with widespread adoption looking imminent, my original post stands. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
103
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Posted - 2014.01.24 20:28:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:[ So with widespread adoption looking imminent, my original post stands.
Then so does mine? (it was for the sake of simplicity that faction antimatter is too expensive).
Really, what does it matter? The LP store has a hard floor on prices anyway. People aren't going to buy things in the LP store that are selling on the market for less than the components and isk to purchase. And if they do, the people like you are going to do the bare minimum amount of research required not to buy items selling below their actual value.
LP is a decent supplement to your income but this doesn't seem like a 'the sky is falling scenerio.' |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2079
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Posted - 2014.01.24 20:34:00 -
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Noxisia Arkana wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:[ So with widespread adoption looking imminent, my original post stands. Then so does mine? (it was for the sake of simplicity that faction antimatter is too expensive). Really, what does it matter? The LP store has a hard floor on prices anyway. People aren't going to buy things in the LP store that are selling on the market for less than the components and isk to purchase. And if they do, the people like you are going to do the bare minimum amount of research required not to buy items selling below their actual value. LP is a decent supplement to your income but this doesn't seem like a 'the sky is falling scenerio.'
I used to get 5,000-6,000 ISK / LP on some items. (Repub Fleet TE's). Now, that number has been decimated by various game mechanic changes, not involved with this one.
But it is an example of how bad this can indeed impact on income, when there is a flood of Empire Navy LP into items than crossover into other LP stores.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
502
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Posted - 2014.01.24 20:44:00 -
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Anomaly One wrote:Well, thanks for the tip Dinsdale :( and I was just skilling up to do missions (lvl 2 missions atm) meh wasted sp.. back to mining, such **** income in high sec really..
just don't run for a navy corp and you will be fine. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1381
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Posted - 2014.01.24 20:53:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Batelle wrote:Loraine Gess wrote:Saying we hit 40m LP/day a total due to inefficiencies would still equate to ~640 medium plexes worth of LP at minmatar's T4 rate. 33% of all nullsec bounties being covered by the ESS seems like a huge overestimate. I think 33% is near the top end of what we might see IF large alliances everywhere adopt usage of the structure. It doesn't have much of a downside anymore. With a not-terrible intel channel you're still basically invincible. Even if you just abandon it every time a neut enters the system I think there's still good profit in it, which should lead to widespread adoption sooner or later. On that note: Can it be anchored near POS towers? That would reduce its only real downside and leave the perceived drama.
Assuming 1k isk/ LP, the LP reward theoretically completely replaces the 15% held by the ESS. However, you still have the cost of the ESS, the volume of it, the potential for blue drama, and the fact that LP will be less than 1k/LP, and are a PITA to retrieve. When thinking about ALL of nullsec bounties everywhere, from every activity, I think the proportion that happen with an ESS deployed will be significant, but not anywhere close to 50%. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
unidenify
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2014.01.24 21:06:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Loraine Gess wrote:Batelle wrote:Loraine Gess wrote:Saying we hit 40m LP/day a total due to inefficiencies would still equate to ~640 medium plexes worth of LP at minmatar's T4 rate. 33% of all nullsec bounties being covered by the ESS seems like a huge overestimate. I think 33% is near the top end of what we might see IF large alliances everywhere adopt usage of the structure. It doesn't have much of a downside anymore. With a not-terrible intel channel you're still basically invincible. Even if you just abandon it every time a neut enters the system I think there's still good profit in it, which should lead to widespread adoption sooner or later. On that note: Can it be anchored near POS towers? That would reduce its only real downside and leave the perceived drama. Assuming 1k isk/ LP, the LP reward theoretically completely replaces the 15% held by the ESS. However, you still have the cost of the ESS, the volume of it, the potential for blue drama, and the fact that LP will be less than 1k/LP, and are a PITA to retrieve. When thinking about ALL of nullsec bounties everywhere, from every activity, I think the proportion that happen with an ESS deployed will be significant, but not anywhere close to 50%.
what we do know for sure is that it will reduce value on LP, (question is how much impact)
I think what will happen 1. Null sec alliance check which navy has highest rate 2. Null stack on ESS that generate this navy LP 3. this Navy LP rate crash due to flow from Null sec 4. Go back to 1.
this is on assumption that Null sec Corp/Alliance will use ESS |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
655
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:01:00 -
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Noxisia Arkana wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:[ So with widespread adoption looking imminent, my original post stands. Then so does mine? (it was for the sake of simplicity that faction antimatter is too expensive). Really, what does it matter? The LP store has a hard floor on prices anyway. People aren't going to buy things in the LP store that are selling on the market for less than the components and isk to purchase. And if they do, the people like you are going to do the bare minimum amount of research required not to buy items selling below their actual value. LP is a decent supplement to your income but this doesn't seem like a 'the sky is falling scenerio.'
if you are running for sisters, and blitzing properly, its about 2/3rds of your income, its by no means supplemental to a good mission runner, it is the method by which mission runner incomes can reach over 100m/hr.
In any case the change to moongoo to increase null alliance income reliance on pilot activity has literally given a mission runner a choice of 200 non strategic corps to recruit themselves into null without having to sign onto structure grinds or blobs at all - ie its not as if this stuff is -hard to access- anymore.
and yes I'll be recruiting soon, and yes the terms will be generous - ie I'll probably wind up basically insulating corp members from the costs of renting the system. Given different tax regimes in different corps it may actually be more wallet isk to shoot my hubs than it will be to shoot someone elses forsaken hubs.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2079
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:16:00 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Anomaly One wrote:Well, thanks for the tip Dinsdale :( and I was just skilling up to do missions (lvl 2 missions atm) meh wasted sp.. back to mining, such **** income in high sec really.. just don't run for a navy corp and you will be fine.
And what about the crossover items, that are available in Navy stores and non-Navy NPC LP stores? Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
thetwilitehour
GoonWaffe
223
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:23:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Anomaly One wrote:Well, thanks for the tip Dinsdale :( and I was just skilling up to do missions (lvl 2 missions atm) meh wasted sp.. back to mining, such **** income in high sec really.. just don't run for a navy corp and you will be fine. And what about the crossover items, that are available in Navy stores and non-Navy NPC LP stores?
Except of course the devaluation of Navy LP means heavy mission runners will move to non-Navy LP stores, and drive down prices there as well. As planned, our slow destruction of the income in High sec is continuing.
Of course it makes sense, if your mommy goes to work with you to keep you safe, you shouldn't expect to make the same amount of money as an adult. |
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2079
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Posted - 2014.01.25 01:00:00 -
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thetwilitehour wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Anomaly One wrote:Well, thanks for the tip Dinsdale :( and I was just skilling up to do missions (lvl 2 missions atm) meh wasted sp.. back to mining, such **** income in high sec really.. just don't run for a navy corp and you will be fine. And what about the crossover items, that are available in Navy stores and non-Navy NPC LP stores? Except of course the devaluation of Navy LP means heavy mission runners will move to non-Navy LP stores, and drive down prices there as well. As planned, our slow destruction of the income in High sec is continuing. Of course it makes sense, if your mommy goes to work with you to keep you safe, you shouldn't expect to make the same amount of money as an adult.
**** off. Like the deal you just cut with PL to make sure all your botting systems never will be attacked again? Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
656
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Posted - 2014.01.25 01:58:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:thetwilitehour wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Anomaly One wrote:Well, thanks for the tip Dinsdale :( and I was just skilling up to do missions (lvl 2 missions atm) meh wasted sp.. back to mining, such **** income in high sec really.. just don't run for a navy corp and you will be fine. And what about the crossover items, that are available in Navy stores and non-Navy NPC LP stores? Except of course the devaluation of Navy LP means heavy mission runners will move to non-Navy LP stores, and drive down prices there as well. As planned, our slow destruction of the income in High sec is continuing. Of course it makes sense, if your mommy goes to work with you to keep you safe, you shouldn't expect to make the same amount of money as an adult. **** off. Like the deal you just cut with PL to make sure all your botting systems never will be attacked again?
Chokepoint, disband dot, a couple of other gangs whos tags escape me and occasionally mordus angels are seen in Vale, and are not in anyway affected by the above deal. Nor would the above deal have prevented the TEMP invasion.
However those entities are out for fun, where as PL and the CFC murder pets for keeps when they get going, so from the extracting rent perspective, that is plain due diligence.
In any case, the benefits of the deal are accessible to the garden variety bear via renting or getting recruited.
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2893
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Posted - 2014.01.25 12:48:00 -
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Even Dinsdale argued against the original version of the ESS, saying it was bad and not worth using.
Your voice was quite useful. Be careful what you wish for, I guess. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2085
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Posted - 2014.01.25 14:48:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Even Dinsdale argued against the original version of the ESS, saying it was bad and not worth using.
Your voice was quite useful. Be careful what you wish for, I guess.
True on the 1st part. The ESS in the original form was punitative to null sec players, arbitrary , and badly designed.
But this new version, now is equally punitative to high sec mission runners, while a gift to null sec players. That is equally wrong.
Here you are gloating, so I know it will be good for null and bad for high sec. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Gimme more Cynos
Du nervst geh sterben
127
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Posted - 2014.01.25 17:05:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
But this new version, now is equally punitative to high sec mission runners, while a gift to null sec players. That is equally wrong.
Erm, no.
There are currently 2 sorts of mission runners:
Those, where LP is the primary income Those, where LP is only a tiny fraction of the income
The first ones are better with not doing missions for the empire factions ( SOE SOE SOE SOE!!)
The other ones don't care that much, as it doesn't make too much of a difference if you're getting 500isk / LP or 300isk / LP by selling your stuff directly to buy orders (hope you see what I did here)
Result = Buff to 0.0 (which is good) with a very limited impact on Highsec.
Peeps doing missions in Highsec will still have the opportunity to make a huge killing in ISK by doing missions for non-empire corps.
It might also end up in a buff to missions, as more isk = more Tag demand = rise in price for allready limited tags which can be looted and farmed easily in HS missions.
Of course these points are depending on the actual use of the ESS.
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Garnoo
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
96
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Posted - 2014.01.25 23:10:00 -
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mayby its the time to move to nullsec... People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back - this is EvE |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1074
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Posted - 2014.01.26 07:12:00 -
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Garnoo wrote:mayby its the time to move to nullsec...
move to null, and experience tidi in all it's glory?, no thank you... i'll just keep running seo missions, the value of navy LP is not something that concerns me. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
59
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Posted - 2014.01.26 10:16:00 -
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dexington wrote:Garnoo wrote:mayby its the time to move to nullsec... move to null, and experience tidi in all it's glory?, no thank you... i'll just keep running seo missions, the value of navy LP is not something that concerns me.
Confirming the point of eve is to fly more missions to earn more isk to fly more missions to... fly more missions. |
Cheng Musana
Purple Space Ponys AAA Citizens
52
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:24:00 -
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Had a thought about it. A carrier pilot running his sanctums and getting 50 mil ticks and has his ESS running on 0.2LP/1000 ISK will get around 10.000 LP every 20 mins. There is no travel time, no mission gates just warp to sites and blap everything in your sight. And if he uses a mobile depot he deploys it and if a neutral comes in just fit like 6 warpcore stabs and run for it. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1075
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Posted - 2014.01.26 12:00:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:dexington wrote:Garnoo wrote:mayby its the time to move to nullsec... move to null, and experience tidi in all it's glory?, no thank you... i'll just keep running seo missions, the value of navy LP is not something that concerns me. Confirming the point of eve is to fly more missions to earn more isk to fly more missions to... fly more missions.
Confirming this guy is right, there is only one way to play eve, and this is the right way.
Thanks you random dude, you really understand what eve is all about, you saved us all from play eve the wrong way, ccp should given you some kind of reward. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
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