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DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
267
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Posted - 2011.11.09 11:19:00 -
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Azahni Vah'nos wrote: Where is this enrichment of the game you speak of, because all I see is the watering down of content and features to enable microtransactions.
Watering down of content? No. More content is being added. Watering down of features? No. Addition of features. Clearly, you see wrong. You can even access these 'microtransactions' by buying a PLEX with ISK, if you desire.
And what's wrong with microtransactions for vanity, if they can be purchased with a supply/demand affected in-game currency? EVE is already rampant with the effects of out of game forces. The 'sandbox' is already gone. Just look at PLEX. You can literally pay to win. Are you complaining about PLEX? Of course not. You're complaining about ship skins and pants.
Even your signature is totally against the NeX store. When was that all the rage, like 3 months ago? Obviously, you're butthurt. We get it. No need to rub your butthurt in our faces.
Jade Constantine wrote: You know perfectly well that people like the OP will be whining immediately for ship skins to be invulnerable because he paid "real money" for it. He is the type of player who really doesn't "get" Eve and unfortunately CCP envisaged NeX on precisely this misunderstanding of the core product they own.
Being the OP, I know perfectly well that I won't pay real money for vanity items. Or even 'real' items. I haven't bought a PLEX for cash, and are not planning too. Will I skin a Hurricane for PVP? Probably not. Will I skin a Dominix for PVE? Probably. Try again. Or don't. You may embarrass yourself.
Clearly, you're not the player who 'gets' EVE. EVE is the vision of CCP, not YOU. EVE is what CCP make it. If CCP decide that EVE is to have a NeX store, then EVE has a NeX store. I accept whatever damn thing CCP will do with the game, because they aren't screwing things up for me. |
Rellik B00n
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
15
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Posted - 2011.11.09 11:26:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote: Pretty much right there with ya. Just don't forget, you need not spend a dime of real cash on a NeX item.
And yet in the end CCP are paid in cash for the item, making it a $ purchase outside the sub. Im not arguing for or against the vanity stuff here Im simply stating a fact: it doesnt matter how many times someone says "but you dont have to pay RL monies for it!" As you effectively ARE spending RL money on it, just not necessarily yours!
To put it another way if all stocks of PLEX dried up and no one seeded anymore to market, how would you pay for your vanity item?
Not to mention the stupidity of a link between how players pay for their accounts and how players would choose to pay for a popular vanity item.
edit: see post 43(?) for more |
DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
267
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Posted - 2011.11.09 11:37:00 -
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Rellik B00n wrote:[quote=Ranger 1] And yet in the end CCP are paid in cash for the item, making it a $ purchase outside the sub. Im not arguing for or against the vanity stuff here Im simply stating a fact: it doesnt matter how many times someone says "but you dont have to pay RL monies for it!" As you effectively ARE spending RL money on it, just not necessarily yours!
To put it another way if all stocks of PLEX dried up and no one seeded anymore to market, how would you pay for your vanity item?
It doesn't matter if someone else pays for the vanity item. That's their choice. EVE is full of PLEX, purchasing using cash by players who want extra ISK. CCP is already earning money from a MT system. Why not increase the money earned, by introducing something nice? CCP spend this money on EVE, and EVE gets better. Remember, WoD development has stalled.
By the way, the supply of PLEX can't really dry up . Supply/demand. Low supply of PLEX, and the price skyrockets. Obviously, people will like to take advantage of this, and more PLEX will be bought.
I don't care how ship skins are brought into EVE. That's why I made this thread. I don't want ship skins to be delayed again. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
775
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Posted - 2011.11.09 11:42:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote: Watering down of content? No. More content is being added.
While short-circuiting player industry completely. Ship skins via NeX water down the player-led industrial sandbox of eve because its a content provision that has nothing to do with the gameplay of players.
Quote:Watering down of features? No. Addition of features. Clearly, you see wrong. You can even access these 'microtransactions' by buying a PLEX with ISK, if you desire.
You are intentionally missing the point.
Quote:And what's wrong with microtransactions for vanity, if they can be purchased with a supply/demand affected in-game currency?
Because they short circuit player industry in a single server player led industrial sandbox ... not sure how many times people have to repeat this to you before you understand it.
Quote:EVE is already rampant with the effects of out of game forces. The 'sandbox' is already gone. Just look at PLEX. You can literally pay to win. Are you complaining about PLEX? Of course not. You're complaining about ship skins and pants.
Ah the old "Eve is no longer a virgin so we may as well put her out on the street turning tricks to meth addicts for every last dime" argument. We hear this one a lot from NeX quislings. So I counter with.
Since you can access player industry content with Plex/ISK coverted currency if YOU please. Why do you need NeX as well?
Quote:Being the OP, I know perfectly well that I won't pay real money for vanity items. Or even 'real' items. I haven't bought a PLEX for cash, and are not planning too. Will I skin a Hurricane for PVP? Probably not. Will I skin a Dominix for PVE? Probably. Try again. Or don't. You may embarrass yourself. Clearly, you're not the player who 'gets' EVE. EVE is the vision of CCP, not YOU. EVE is what CCP make it. If CCP decide that EVE is to have a NeX store, then EVE has a NeX store. I accept whatever damn thing CCP will do with the game, because they aren't screwing things up for me.
Right so you are the kind of player or didn't protest last summer at the 18 months of abandonment and NeXCarna focus over proper space content right. You are happy being spoon fed whatever the company decides and you don't think customers have a right to provide feedback and direction to a product they support with their subscriptions.
At least we know now what kind of quisling you are.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
108
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Posted - 2011.11.09 12:05:00 -
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Rellik B00n wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: Pretty much right there with ya. Just don't forget, you need not spend a dime of real cash on a NeX item.
And yet in the end CCP are paid in cash for the item, making it a $ purchase outside the sub. Im not arguing for or against the vanity stuff here Im simply stating a fact: it doesnt matter how many times someone says "but you dont have to pay RL monies for it!" As you effectively ARE spending RL money on it, just not necessarily yours! To put it another way if all stocks of PLEX dried up and no one seeded anymore to market, how would you pay for your vanity item? Not to mention the stupidity of a link between how players pay for their accounts and how players would choose to pay for a popular vanity item. edit: see post 43(?) for more It amazes me how many people don't understand this. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
268
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Posted - 2011.11.09 12:09:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Words You're missing my entire point!
You're not really complaining that something is ruining EVE. You're complaining that something EXTRA isn't being done to EVE. I would love ship skins to be player-created, but they don't need to be right now. They aren't player-created. They can't be reprocessed into minerals. They're based off a system entirely driven by RL forces outside of EVE's sandbox (PLEX).
NeX doesn't help EVE's authenticity, but it doesn't hurt it either.
Ship skins in NeX store? No harm done. No need to complain. Ship skins created by players? Sure, later, to make EVE more 'authentic'. Remember: later. Players want ship skins ASAP.
Iteration. Take customs offices for example. CCP will make PI more player-driven by making customs offices player-operated. Then by adding DUST 514. Customs offices were completely outside of the sandbox, and still are. They're just there. Who put them there? Why didn't players do it? The sandbox is ruined!
Did you complain? No, it probably didn't occur to you.
NeX harms EVE less than PLEX does. See things in perspective.
Thank you. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1297
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Posted - 2011.11.09 12:29:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Ship skins in NeX store? No harm done. No need to complain. Ship skilns in the NeX store robs the game of a possible new industry and manufacturing chain. Harm done.
Quote:NeX harms EVE less than PLEX does. How do PLEX harm EVE?
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
775
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Posted - 2011.11.09 12:29:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Words You're missing my entire point! You're not really complaining that something is ruining EVE. You're complaining that something EXTRA isn't being done to EVE. I would love ship skins to be player-created, but they don't need to be right now. They aren't player-created. They can't be reprocessed into minerals. They're based off a system entirely driven by RL forces outside of EVE's sandbox (PLEX).
Its a defeatest attitude. If the Eve community strongly communicate the desire to have player manufactured ship skins we'll get player manufactured ship skins just as we got a near complete 180 degree turn on the virtual abadonment of core eve gameplay this autumn. This is not a time for "suck it up" this is a time for us to let CCP know in the strongest possible terms that they need to work with the subscription and PLEX model they have and preserve the integrity of the player-led sandbox in eve online.
Quote:NeX doesn't help EVE's authenticity, but it doesn't hurt it either.
It definitely hurts it for the reasons I and many others have explained to you in posts above.
Quote:Ship skins in NeX store? No harm done. No need to complain.
The harm done is manifest in the erosion of the sandbox. Just as NeX clothes were the death knell of Incarna then NeX ships will do great harm to the notion of player customization of possessions in space.
Quote:Ship skins created by players? Sure, later, to make EVE more 'authentic'. Remember: later. Players want ship skins ASAP.
If you put these things into NeX there will never be a later. Because NeX is the dirty cheap lowtech lazy way of delivery.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
240
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Posted - 2011.11.09 12:30:00 -
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OP LOVES his sparkleponies!
I'll follow Alyssa Yotosala's example:
[ ] - U mad? [ ] - Can I haz your stuffz? [ ] - Troll, x/10 [ ] - Who would _____ someone with a name like _____ [x] - WOW is that way ====> [ ] - Haters gonna hate[/quote]
Skins should be earned like faction ships should be earned, then resold for ISK which will drive the ECONOMY - STUPID - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
775
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Posted - 2011.11.09 12:32:00 -
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Tippia wrote:DarkAegix wrote:Ship skins in NeX store? No harm done. No need to complain. Ship skilns in the NeX store robs the game of a possible new industry and manufacturing chain. Harm done. Quote:NeX harms EVE less than PLEX does. How do PLEX harm EVE?
He is going on the PLEX = Eve losing its virginity so lets ***** her out for nickel and dime handjobs out on skid row through the NeX store argument.
But not realizing that PLEX is a pretty complicated concept that does actually help Eve quite a lot by giving players in cash poor or currency challenged countries(situations) the ability to play the game by selling their labour to others.
Of course to NeX quislings its an easy argument to make that surendering a bit of your principle by stomaching PLEX sales means you should surrender all of it to a cash shop eve stripped of any player industrial element in the division of content.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
217
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Posted - 2011.11.09 12:54:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Words You're missing my entire point!.
Yeah, he's very good at that. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
270
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Posted - 2011.11.09 12:57:00 -
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Tippia wrote:DarkAegix wrote:Ship skins in NeX store? No harm done. No need to complain. Ship skilns in the NeX store robs the game of a possible new industry and manufacturing chain. Harm done. It robs EVE of something which isn't there...? CCP can shove skins into the NeX store, and then add player creation of skins through LP or whatever later.
Quote:Quote:NeX harms EVE less than PLEX does. How do PLEX harm EVE? Apparently it hurts the 'authenticity' of EVE by allowing outside forces to manipulate the distribution of power and ISK in the economy. I don't care, though. PLEX helps CCP. PLEX helps poor players. PLEX harms something incorporeal, an unattainable and completely self-contained sandbox.
I tried to be reasonable, but some of you are too stubborn. A last try for now, hmm?
'Sandbox erosion' will not occur because of NeX ship skins. NeX ship skins are outside of the sandbox. Just like customs offices were. They can be added later. PLEX affect the sandbox more than NeX does. Go complain about PLEX instead.
Ciar, I dislike sparkleponies. I like ship skins. Do you like ship skins?
Also, Jade, you win the award of overuse of the word 'quisling'. You even manage to use it incorrectly. Oops.
'A traitor who collaborates with an enemy force occupying their country.' So, the enemy is CCP? The country is EVE? How dare CCP invade EVE!
And, no. The 'enemy' is not NeX. The NeX store is a country besides EVE, whom we occasionally trade with. |
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
108
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Posted - 2011.11.09 12:59:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote: Where is this enrichment of the game you speak of, because all I see is the watering down of content and features to enable microtransactions.
Watering down of content? No. More content is being added. Watering down of features? No. Addition of features. Clearly, you see wrong. You can even access these 'microtransactions' by buying a PLEX with ISK, if you desire. Seems your standards with what you regard as content and features are extremely low.
So remind me again why we need Aurum if they can be bought with PLEX/ISK? I really don't care if I could get them for free, the whole microtransaction process circumvents the player run economy and manufacturing processes. This may come as a shock to you, but I actually care about the future of EVE.
Quote:And what's wrong with microtransactions for vanity, if they can be purchased with a supply/demand affected in-game currency? EVE is already rampant with the effects of out of game forces. The 'sandbox' is already gone. Just look at PLEX. You can literally pay to win. Are you complaining about PLEX? Of course not. You're complaining about ship skins and pants.
Even your signature is totally against the NeX store. When was that all the rage, like 3 months ago? Obviously, you're butthurt. We get it. No need to rub your butthurt in our faces. Because it makes those items worthless as an additional avenue of gamplay in EVE. In a sandbox game they should have added something more than a one off meaningless purchase that doesn't involve any of the in-game mechanics or other players.
No I see PLEX as borderline with my thoughts on it's inclusion in the game. On a positive note It allows players to remain in the game but it does not circumvent the economy or the players who produce items to sell on the market. A couple of the downsides is it becomes an attractive method for bots to remain in the game and encourages people to farm even more ISK, both of which don't help the in-game economy.
Rub my butt in your face? ... sorry, but that will have to remain a mere fantasy of yours. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1297
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Posted - 2011.11.09 13:02:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:It robs EVE of something which isn't there...? If it is added, then it is there. If it is there and not in the form of standard industry, then the game has indeed been robbed of a new industry and manufacturing chain.
Quote:CCP can shove skins into the NeX store, and then add player creation of skins through LP or whatever later. GǪor just not add them in the NeX store to begin with, since there are far better ways of adding the same content.
Quote:Apparently it hurts the 'authenticity' of EVE by allowing outside forces to manipulate the distribution of power and ISK in the economy. I would like to hear how that is supposed to happenGǪ
Quote:NeX ship skins are outside of the sandbox. Just like customs offices were. Custom offices were not outside the sandbox GÇö they were the same old ISK sink, now injected in the middle of a manufacturing chain, rather than at the beginning of one.
Quote:PLEX affect the sandbox more than NeX does. Go complain about PLEX instead. As soon as someone explains how they affect the sandboxGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Roime
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
10
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Posted - 2011.11.09 13:18:00 -
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Ship customization is something I've wanted since my first day in space, and will spend ludicrous amount of any relevant currency if/when it's finally possible.
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
49
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Posted - 2011.11.09 13:50:00 -
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This will make highsec ganking even mor lulz than today. Expect increased number of carebear tears and demands for more safety in highsec to protect those NeX/AUR-skins. We are on the slippery slope. |
Rellik B00n
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
15
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Posted - 2011.11.09 13:51:00 -
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Roime wrote:Ship customization is something I've wanted since my first day in space, and will spend ludicrous amount of any relevant currency if/when it's finally possible.
"hey lads people are offering totally reasonable arguments as to why NEX for skins is a bad idea, please come post in my thread to help me out" |
Tristan North
The Scope
41
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Posted - 2011.11.09 13:53:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Tristan North wrote:What about nebulae sold by nex? And new ship models, and engine trails. Vanity stuff, isn't it? No, none of the above are vanity items. Nebulae are part of the environment. New ship models, such as the 4 being introduced next expansion, are core content available as BPO's and sold on the market. Engine trails are a basic game mechanic, finally reintroduced after being enhanced and optimized in what will hopefully avert their former frame rate killing performance.
You're wrong, nebulae could be vanity, just sell them to who's owning a system. New ship models are vanity if you sell it in the nex, engine trails too. What's the difference between having a diffrent skin or having a different ship model with engine trails? It doesn't affect gameplay. I really don't understand why people want the nex, you feel that 15Gé¼ every month is not enough?
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Lord Ryan
True Xero
94
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Posted - 2011.11.09 13:54:00 -
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"Unsubbing my 68 billion alts now!" -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Hark Hanam
Elarion Nation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:02:00 -
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The core of any mmorpg is the economic system : for everything you need to do, you need to cross the economic part of the game. It's obvious.
Mixing that In-game economics with RL economics is dangerous because it change in an unpredictable way the economics.
Saying that plex does not affect the economy of eve is a weak analysis : It indeed CREATE a need for player : the need for PLEX, PLEX are made out of RL money : it does not add isk, it does not add "i win" button stricto sensu, but it does modify a lot of things in the game economic balance : it allow some player to own a valuable item that is needed by others, an item they can create with a creditcard. So, PLEX create a new need : the need of F2P eve. People are not equal RL money wise. The MMO is made of people. Giving people the opportunity to "use" that money lever to gain power / credits over other people in the game DO CHANGE the game, you are no more "an avatar", it is no more "virtual". EVE IS REAL. With poor and rich player, where poor work for rich and where rich do have easiest way to build their "in game" projects. And with a lot of mid-classe who don't give a phrack but won't invest themselves to keep it "that game i play on sunday night".
CCP DID plan to change the buisness model of EVE because they wanted to have a F2P-like which seemed to be "better". Who can blame ? It appears it wasn't. Most of F2P are hidden casinos saying the game is cheaper when it's not. Once the ads effect is done and the scam is over, F2P is no more the "shiny brand new way of doing mmo". The buisness model hits the fan : people who fled the F2P casinos are now saying : put the fan in reverse mode to suck it up. People who have no problem with it asks "why people with more gametime should be more powerful than people with more RL money ?".
A part of the community is extremely hostile to the NEX store. CCP did mistakes with their buisness plan. A part of the community is favorable to the NEX store with limits (and some player may even be favorable to the NEX store without limits but they are docked.)
The choice is NOT ours : if CCP is forced in a way or in another to go the NEX store way, they will, that's it. If they are happy that some people enjoy the nEX store and don't want to hear the others... We can be helpful to them with posts and feedback to guide them to a successful product, saying if we like or dislike something, but it's definitively not our roles to say what should be in the nex store, if it's good or bad for the game, neither it is to put pressure on other player with things like the OPost stating "you are stupid if [insert any opinion]".
And for my feedback I would simply say : If i had to run 10 times more than others in a soccer game to reach my goal because i didn't spent those 20 extra Gé¼, i would clearly play tennis instead. Some people enjoy spending money : who can blame ?
Say the ship skin is my goal in EVE, if i had to farm km / missions 10 times more than others to reach it, i would clearly play soccer instead : because soccer is real just like EVE, because soccer is fun just like EVE, because the goal is to kicks things in team just like EVE and because soccer is cheap just like..wait a minute. |
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Black Dranzer
55
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:05:00 -
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I won't get mad, but if they cost more than 250 Aurum a pop I'll just laugh.
In before they cost 2500. |
Roime
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
10
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:11:00 -
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Rellik B00n wrote:Roime wrote:Ship customization is something I've wanted since my first day in space, and will spend ludicrous amount of any relevant currency if/when it's finally possible.
"hey lads people are offering totally reasonable arguments as to why NEX for skins is a bad idea, please come post in my thread to help me out"
Took me a while to get your point :D never even spoken to the OP, nor do I agree with him 100%, I just came with my 2 cents. Ship skins are cool, I want them.
As they have no effect on game balance in any way, I'd rather pay CCP for vanity pimpin mah space ships than some other player.
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Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
143
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:25:00 -
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People will not complain unless you can't buy/sell them on the market or if the price is outrageous.
Don't screw this up a second time, CCP. |
Rellik B00n
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
15
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:26:00 -
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Roime wrote:Rellik B00n wrote:Roime wrote:Ship customization is something I've wanted since my first day in space, and will spend ludicrous amount of any relevant currency if/when it's finally possible.
"hey lads people are offering totally reasonable arguments as to why NEX for skins is a bad idea, please come post in my thread to help me out" Took me a while to get your point :D never even spoken to the OP, nor do I agree with him 100%, I just came with my 2 cents. Ship skins are cool, I want them. As they have no effect on game balance in any way, I'd rather pay CCP for vanity pimpin mah space ships than some other player.
but... but.. but.. thats so bloody reasonable of you dammit, cant you call me a noob or somet just to make me feel like this is the EvE online forums? |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
50
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:41:00 -
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I have to admit that I haven't read the enitre thread.
My view is that selling 'vanity' crap for converted Plexes isn't going to kill this game.
Want a pink Raven, fine, pony up ...
Don't want to waste RL money or Plexes on Pink Ravens, well just don't.
If they would start to sell game changing stuff for Aur, then I'll get pissed, and most likely quit.
But as long as it's vanity stuff, I'll keep playing, giggling at people with more isk than brains, and possibly joining them if I happen to have too much isk and too much beer at the same time.
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Sinistra Arc
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:54:00 -
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T-Jay Charante wrote:Montevius Williams wrote:Ship skin = Vanity. I have no issue at all with it being on the Nex market. If your ship is destroyed however, you need to buy a new skin. Thats my view. The Spaceship Barbies will rage, if that's the case.
You know it will be and therefore the fancy will wear off real quick. Or,
people will skin the ships they only keep in station.
Fancy that. |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:06:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:DarkAegix wrote:Solhild wrote:NeX allows content for Aurum, thus ISK.Content is immersion and enhances player experiences I've always been uncomfortable with the vanity only argument as it means you only get the full content experience if you pay more and more Aurum, thus ISK.If we were building the game without this consideration, ship skins/logos, etc. would probably be earned from LP, be awarded for completing missions, running a corp, or having great standings - NeX means all of those options and game depth are replaced by Aurum, thus ISK. FYP. Don't pay a cent if you don't want to. Thank you, you saved me the trouble.
Don't worry, you've repeated your view enough times and I get it - I just don't see that NeX, or the way the store works is as harmless as you do. I don't even think it fits EVE.
Sadly. |
T'Laar Bok
37
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:10:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Ships skins may be coming this winter.
Are people really zoomed in far enough the actually see their ship or anyone elses in space? Ship skins seems like something else that only you can see in station.
Amphetimines are your friend. |
Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
111
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:16:00 -
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stopped at your awful quote. I pay 15 dollars a month already as a customer i have the right to get mad when a company tries to scam me out of more money. At least give us like 10 skins to choose from and put premium ones in the Nex store. But you know Hellmar will put them on the market for like 15k Aurum or something.
CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
233
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:18:00 -
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Rellik B00n wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: Pretty much right there with ya. Just don't forget, you need not spend a dime of real cash on a NeX item.
And yet in the end CCP are paid in cash for the item, making it a $ purchase outside the sub. Im not arguing for or against the vanity stuff here Im simply stating a fact: it doesnt matter how many times someone says "but you dont have to pay RL monies for it!" As you effectively ARE spending RL money on it, just not necessarily yours! To put it another way if all stocks of PLEX dried up and no one seeded anymore to market, how would you pay for your vanity item? Not to mention the stupidity of a link between how players pay for their accounts and how players would choose to pay for a popular vanity item. edit: see post 43(?) for more
Exactly correct. Give this man a cigar.
CCP is paid in cash, just not by the person wanting the vanity item. More income for CCP that doesn't involve a subscription increase is GOOD!.
CCP is paid by the person that buys the PLEX with cash, because they wish to sell it for in game currency.
The person that buys the PLEX with cash gets exactly what they want for their money. They get ISK.
The person that buys the vanity item with and ISK purchased PLEX gets exactly what they want. The vanity item in question without spending their own cash to aquire it.
CCP gets exactly what they want. The get the income from the original PLEX purchase..
Not seeing a problem here.
As to what happens if people stop buying PLEX... seriously?
PLEX supplies drop, cost of PLEX raises sharply, PLEX becomes much more profitable, people buy more PLEX.
Pretty basic economy 101. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
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