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Jenshae Chiroptera
149
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Posted - 2011.11.09 01:08:00 -
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Okay, just to cover the bases, let us run through the general tips for mining in dangerous areas.
- Tank up - implants, CPU rigs, Damage Control, et cetera.
- Carry drones - ECM if they haven't been nerfed yet might help.
- Align to a safe point.
- Book mark two points - drift between them along the length of the belt, with "Approach" then if someone arrives, your speed is up to instantly warp away to them.
- D-scan - find a good guide that will help you set up your D-scan. You want to watch it for approaching ships and warp away.
I also suggest you might want to stop looking at your fellow miners as competition but now as compatriots. Make an intelligence channel so that you know what system the gankers are active in, try to put out scouts, start marking them with negative standing so that they have to keep making more alts to get the same results.
Then come back and let us know how this goes, so that CCP have some concrete information to act upon. CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you. |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
307
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Posted - 2011.11.09 01:13:00 -
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I thought you were bored with everything since you are the best at everything you try? Why this interest with EVE Online mining which I'm sure you will get bored with soon. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
149
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Posted - 2011.11.09 01:14:00 -
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Mortis vonShadow wrote:I thought ...
Please try to keep your comments on topic, thanks.
CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you. |
Stahlregen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.09 01:15:00 -
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Also go get a root. EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A VHS INTO THE SLOT. IT'S CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE MOVES ALONGSIDE THE MAIN CHARACTER, RIDDICK. I DO EVERY MOVE AND I DO EVERY MOVE HARD. MAKIN' WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME NECRO BASTARDS. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY ESCAPED THE GALAXY'S MOST DANGEROUS PRISON. I CAN. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
40
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Posted - 2011.11.09 01:23:00 -
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Miners have been able to mitigate ganking since ganking was discovered. However, because it's much easier to get a free ride, they will instead play victim in order to get CCP to capitulate, and do their job for them. Considering the direction the game has been heading in, it's much more favorable for miners to not look after their own safety. Mama bear will be there to make the mean wolves go away.
Unfortunately, the carebears grossly underestimate how motivated hungry wolves become. Safety is a concept most fleeting, while they still roam the forest. |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
32
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Posted - 2011.11.09 01:28:00 -
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Buy an Eve account for your dog and train him to bark when he senses a gank approaching.
Animals have sixth senses for sensing danger. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
734
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Posted - 2011.11.09 01:30:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Okay, just to cover the bases, let us run through the general tips for mining in dangerous areas.
- Tank up - implants, CPU rigs, Damage Control, et cetera.
- Carry drones - ECM if they haven't been nerfed yet might help.
- Align to a safe point.
- Book mark two points - drift between them along the length of the belt, with "Approach" then if someone arrives, your speed is up to instantly warp away to them.
- D-scan - find a good guide that will help you set up your D-scan. You want to watch it for approaching ships and warp away.
I also suggest you might want to stop looking at your fellow miners as competition but now as compatriots. Make an intelligence channel so that you know what system the gankers are active in, try to put out scouts, start marking them with negative standing so that they have to keep making more alts to get the same results. Then come back and let us know how this goes, so that CCP have some concrete information to act upon. Most miners have zero interest in saving their exhumers from being ganked by following your suggestions. They feel they are entitled to afk mine while doing other things. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
273
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Posted - 2011.11.09 01:36:00 -
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I heard a good way to avoid the gallente ice mining suicide ganks is to simply not mine in gallente space c/d |
Vigdis Thorisdottir
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2011.11.09 01:45:00 -
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I'm all for the ganking to continue. Not because I find it entertaining or funny or sporting in any way.
But because I get pissed when I need to talk to someone in my lame industry corp, see them online, then try to talk to them only to find they're afk mining. With all the ganking going on, my corp channel is dead, but at least I know the people who are in it are actually playing the game.
Play and pay attention to your game and it's easy to not get ganked. Mining too boring to justify your attention? Then maybe that means it's a good time to try X-ing up when I'm trying to form a combat fleet.
/rant |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
40
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Posted - 2011.11.09 01:51:00 -
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Vigdis Thorisdottir wrote:I'm all for the ganking to continue. Not because I find it entertaining or funny or sporting in any way.
But because I get pissed when I need to talk to someone in my lame industry corp, see them online, then try to talk to them only to find they're afk mining. With all the ganking going on, my corp channel is dead, but at least I know the people who are in it are actually playing the game.
Play and pay attention to your game and it's easy to not get ganked. Mining too boring to justify your attention? Then maybe that means it's a good time to try X-ing up when I'm trying to form a combat fleet.
/rant And now you probably understand why true carebears are such loathed and vitriolic creatures. Sounds like you belong in a pvp corporation, or at least one that doesn't shy away from pvp-oriented activities. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
736
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Posted - 2011.11.09 01:51:00 -
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Vigdis Thorisdottir wrote:I'm all for the ganking to continue. Not because I find it entertaining or funny or sporting in any way.
But because I get pissed when I need to talk to someone in my lame industry corp, see them online, then try to talk to them only to find they're afk mining. With all the ganking going on, my corp channel is dead, but at least I know the people who are in it are actually playing the game.
Play and pay attention to your game and it's easy to not get ganked. Mining too boring to justify your attention? Then maybe that means it's a good time to try X-ing up when I'm trying to form a combat fleet.
/rant This guy or girl gets it.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
149
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Posted - 2011.11.09 01:52:00 -
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Vigdis Thorisdottir wrote:... Play and pay attention to your game and it's easy to not get ganked. Mining too boring to justify your attention? Then maybe that means it's a good time to try X-ing up when I'm trying to form a combat fleet.
/rant
I can't mine with 100% attention and I do most of my mining in worm holes. The best I can do is semi-AFK, where I have two screens, I read on one, click D-scan on the other and glance across from time to time. CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you. |
Brock Nelson
41
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Posted - 2011.11.09 01:54:00 -
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Nothing's going to stop gankers
So, why do you guys continue to try to find ways to fight them? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1013
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Posted - 2011.11.09 01:59:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Vigdis Thorisdottir wrote:... Play and pay attention to your game and it's easy to not get ganked. Mining too boring to justify your attention? Then maybe that means it's a good time to try X-ing up when I'm trying to form a combat fleet.
/rant I can't mine with 100% attention and I do most of my mining in worm holes. The best I can do is semi-AFK, where I have two screens, I read on one, click D-scan on the other and glance across from time to time.
What if mining were something like the old asteroids game, where you used your mining lasers to blow the crap out of asteroids until they're in small enough pieces to scoop up into your mining ship's gaping maw by actively flying it to do so? zapzapzap! omnomnom!
Mining becomes an active-piloting activity involving real player skill. Miners pay attention and get ganked less. It becomes way harder to multibox efficiently, so mineral prices rise, capitals become expensive again, people actually care about T1 hull prices. A low denomination Interbus postage stamp is issued with my face on it.
Everybody is happy. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Jenshae Chiroptera
149
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:13:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Vigdis Thorisdottir wrote:... /rant I can't mine with 100% ... What if mining were ...
Quoted to OP. I like it the way it is because I can accomplish two things at once. I can see this as a good change, I probably wouldn't mine though as I would swop over to other active pursuits when I am giving the game my full attention. CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
40
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:15:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:A low denomination Interbus postage stamp is issued with my face on it. See, it's thinking like that why the US Postal Office is billions of dollars into the red. |
VaMei
Meafi Corp
64
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:35:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Align to a safe point.
Are you suggesting that passive alignment actually does anything in Eve?
Or, are you suggesting that a ship with an active align speed of 75m/s, and that needs to be w/in 10km of its target for 290s with max skills (over 640 with min) can actually do its job?
Either way... Here's your sign. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
150
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:37:00 -
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VaMei wrote:... can actually do its job? ...
Works for me but under different conditions than you are probably imagining. CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
20
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:40:00 -
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VaMei wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Align to a safe point. Are you suggesting that passive alignment actually does anything in Eve? Or, are you suggesting that a ship with an active align speed of 75m/s, and that needs to be w/in 10km of its target for 290s with max skills (over 640 with min) can actually do its job? Either way... Here's your sign. Mining while aligned (there is no such thing as active or passive) is easy, and reduces the risk of mining to almost zero. All you need is two well placed bookmarks to fly between, and turn around when you feel the need.
Yes it takes planning, yes it is a little work, but do it and the ganker will have to work much more, if he even thinks is worth it. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
150
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:43:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:... Mining while aligned ... is easy, and reduces the risk of mining to almost zero. All you need is two well placed bookmarks to ... In this case, we mean, where I just sit next to a rock, while being aligned one point, such as POS, while not moving. This helps cut only the align time out of warping away. CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1018
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:49:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:... Mining while aligned ... is easy, and reduces the risk of mining to almost zero. All you need is two well placed bookmarks to ... In this case, we mean, where I just sit next to a rock, while being aligned to one point, such as POS, while not moving. This helps cut only the align time out of warping away.
No it doesn't.
Seriously, don't get me started on this, I'm just asking you nicely, as a personal favour, not to repeat the myth that stationary alignment makes any difference whatsoever to warp-out time. I don't mind if you keep doing it - it's your ship - but please don't tell others to. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
742
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:49:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:... Mining while aligned ... is easy, and reduces the risk of mining to almost zero. All you need is two well placed bookmarks to ... In this case, we mean, where I just sit next to a rock, while being aligned to one point, such as POS, while not moving. This helps cut only the align time out of warping away. If the ganker has a good warpin that still isn't always enough time to get out. Using two bookmarks and aligning back and forth between them at 75% top speed is the best way to be assured of getting out before you can be killed.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
150
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:54:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:... If the ganker has a good warpin that still isn't always enough time to get out. Using two bookmarks and aligning back and forth between them at 75% top speed is the best way to be assured of getting out before you can be killed.
That is a lot of back and forth when you only have one asteroid in a grav site. CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you. |
VaMei
Meafi Corp
65
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:54:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:In this case, we mean, where I just sit next to a rock, while being aligned to one point, such as POS, while not moving. This helps cut only the align time out of warping away. Your ship is a vector in the physics simulation. When you are not moving you have location but no facing. The direction you see your ship facing is an effect produced by your client.
Skills and fittings being equal, a ship facing away and a ship facing toward will align at the same rate. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
321
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:57:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: In this case, we mean, where I just sit next to a rock, while being aligned to one point, such as POS, while not moving. This helps cut only the align time out of warping away.
If you are at zero-velocity, your warp-off speed is the same in every direction, no matter which way your ship points. Just make sure that your exit vector isn't littered with cans, rocks or other ships. And if you can get someone to apply a stasis web to you, you'll warp off far faster.
(Easily tested if you ever play around with a freighter after a gate jump.) |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
743
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:01:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:... If the ganker has a good warpin that still isn't always enough time to get out. Using two bookmarks and aligning back and forth between them at 75% top speed is the best way to be assured of getting out before you can be killed.
That is a lot of back and forth when you only have one asteroid in a grav site. I don't think you are understanding how it works.
You create one bookmark 175k or more away from your asteroid then create another bookmark 175k or more away from the other side of your asteroid. Then you warp to your asteroid and start mining while aligning to and flying towards one of your waypoints at 75% speed. Before you get out of the mining laser range you align and fly towards the other waypoint at 75% speed. Exhumer top speeds are pretty slow so you'll have plenty of time in between having to turn around and if a ganker warps in you just warp to whichever bookmark you are aligning to and you instantly warp before the ganker can even lock you. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
417
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:05:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
What if mining were something like the old asteroids game, where you used your mining lasers to blow the crap out of asteroids until they're in small enough pieces to scoop up into your mining ship's gaping maw by actively flying it to do so? zapzapzap! omnomnom!
Mining becomes an active-piloting activity involving real player skill. Miners pay attention and get ganked less. It becomes way harder to multibox efficiently, so mineral prices rise, capitals become expensive again, people actually care about T1 hull prices. A low denomination Interbus postage stamp is issued with my face on it.
Everybody is happy.
Asteroids the game used space physics. EVE is set in a swimming pool with nebulae painted on the walls. I don't think CCP is in the mood to rewrite the game code to make a lot of people very upset.
What you are actually describing is how mining was done in Freelancer. So either CCP is good with it since apparently they and Microsoft share a bed now or they'll have MS lawyers up their ass for stealing intellectual property.
Take your best guess.
Mr Epeen
If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
150
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:05:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:... Exhumer top speeds are pretty slow so you'll have plenty of time in between having to turn around and if a ganker warps in you just warp to whichever bookmark you are aligning to and you instantly warp before the ganker can even lock you.
Thanks. Now why are you being helpful for a change? *Gets suspicious.* Ideas & stuff No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1019
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:05:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:... If the ganker has a good warpin that still isn't always enough time to get out. Using two bookmarks and aligning back and forth between them at 75% top speed is the best way to be assured of getting out before you can be killed.
That is a lot of back and forth when you only have one asteroid in a grav site. I don't think you are understanding how it works. You create one bookmark 175k or more away from your asteroid then create another bookmark 175k or more away from the other side of your asteroid. Then you warp to your asteroid and start mining while aligning to and flying towards one of your waypoints at 75% speed. Before you get out of the mining laser range you align and fly towards the other waypoint at 75% speed. Exhumer top speeds are pretty slow so you'll have plenty of time in between having to turn around and if a ganker warps in you just warp to whichever bookmark you are aligning to and you instantly warp before the ganker can even lock you.
Pro-tip - don't warp to your bookmark at 0, because you never know who might be waiting there... Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
743
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:06:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:... Exhumer top speeds are pretty slow so you'll have plenty of time in between having to turn around and if a ganker warps in you just warp to whichever bookmark you are aligning to and you instantly warp before the ganker can even lock you. Thanks. Now why are you being helpful for a change? *Gets suspicious.*
When am I ever not helpful? Well other than trolling people for making bad threads about the CSM...
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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