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Theresa Podiene
Iron Hawk Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.01.25 09:49:00 -
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Hi all,
I started playing around a year ago after one of my friends from another MMO introduced me to the game. I've always liked resource gathering and exploring in other games, so I thought I would do the same here with mining and a bit of exploring.
I joined up with a corporation specializing in mining in high security space (My current one), but not too long after that there was some disagreement in the corporation and many of the members left. It was messy and I ended up taking a break from the game for a long while because of it.
I recently came back to give the game a second try and tried to ease back into the game by mining a bit, but my Hulk got blown up by other players who said I was in their area of space and asked 10m for the right to mine there. I'd already donated a lot of my money to my corporation (Which has already gone inactive), so I don't even have enough to make up for the losses, much less pony up for that fee. I didn't even know that that place was claimed by a corporation to begin with.
I don't think I'm quite ready to go into more dangerous areas of space yet (Where as I understand it, most of the active corporations will be) and I really don't want to repeat my experience with my first corporation. I just lost my ship and it's really a downer to have be basically back where I started...I've always been terrible at PvP (although I'm happy to join my guilds for PvP events in other games) and I just feel stuck in a rut right now, I guess.
Sorry if that sounded like a rant! I guess I'm just looking for some advice from more experienced players here. I really want to give the game a good try, but I'm not sure what I can do right now, to be honest.
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Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
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Posted - 2014.01.25 10:23:00 -
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imo unless you are a semi-afk mission runner, high sec sux. Go buy some plex to get new ships and join a wormhole or null corp. Or... buy som plex to hire MERCs to run those high sec scamps out hehe - though that can be expensive. GÇö+¬GÇö |
Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2014.01.25 10:45:00 -
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The above isn't exactly true. What you have to realise is that EVE is very much about player interaction and people skills and you putting in active effort to keep others from taking advantage of you. Treat EVE like how you'd act on a subway platform at 2am in some back water part of town: Don't trust anyone, be ready to run of fight, make sure to be prepared by knowing your surroundings or taking some fighting lessons, don't be alone and bring some pepper spray or perhaps a concealed shotgun if you're tired of that ****.
If you took the "pay me 10 mil to be allowed to mine here" serious then uhm... yeah. |
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
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Posted - 2014.01.25 11:02:00 -
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imo it's true. Nice words, but he is in a dead corp. Best to move on to better payouts than what high sec offers for mining. Dont trust anyone is an interesting meme, but the real rule is to not fly what you cannot afford. That rule broken, so best to invest with a plex or two and find better places to work so that those losses can be covered in the future. GÇö+¬GÇö |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1326
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Posted - 2014.01.25 11:07:00 -
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10 mil only? Those bastards are frakking up the market with their ghetto prices...
Come to Adirain, for 50 mil you will get lifetime licence to mine sweet lowsec rocks, 1st class customer service and gift bag. Your name will be also added to a list of participants in our annual lottery where you have a chance to win massive amounts of ships, modules, ISK and even PLEX.
And piece of advice as a freebie: don't mine in hulk if you are alone, get tankier miner more suitable for solo and for love of god put tank on it instead of cargo or yield increasing mods. Or don't mine at all and make others explode. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Wafflehead
Hurricane Research
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Posted - 2014.01.25 11:10:00 -
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Just remember everyone starts somewhere, EVE can be a very unforgiving game and it can put you in some of the worst ruts you will ever experience.
That being said.. do not give up. Mining is not the best source of income, although if you enjoy it and you are happy with the income then mine!, get back out there.
Mission running will give you more ISK and will give you a better understanding of the combat mechanics in the game which will in turn help you with PVP (understanding modules, tracking, speed, dropoff etc).
There are plenty of active HS corps, have a look through the recruitment section of the forums. |
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
187
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Posted - 2014.01.25 11:14:00 -
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See, thats a better offer. I just don't think paying 10 isk to mine high sec is even worth it. And being in a dead corp is even worse. GÇö+¬GÇö |
Gregor Parud
111
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Posted - 2014.01.25 11:25:00 -
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Omega Sunset wrote:imo it's true. Nice words, but he is in a dead corp. Best to move on to better payouts than what high sec offers for mining. Dont trust anyone is an interesting meme, but the real rule is to not fly what you cannot afford. That rule broken, so best to invest with a plex or two and find better places to work so that those losses can be covered in the future.
Corps in low sec and 0.0 aren't somehow exempted from having non-effort idiots or people who can't be trusted. As such the answer isn't "go to low sec or 0.0" but "get more informed and be more active". |
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
189
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Posted - 2014.01.25 11:32:00 -
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@Greg Don't fear the game, man. Better payouts elsewhere. OP has issues with game income, not trust issues. GÇö+¬GÇö |
Gregor Parud
111
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Posted - 2014.01.25 11:42:00 -
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OP has experience and knowledge issues, which aren't solved by "spending plex and going to WH or 0.0". |
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Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
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Posted - 2014.01.25 11:50:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:OP has experience and knowledge issues, which aren't solved by "spending plex and going to WH or 0.0". But broke. Nothing wrong with selling a plex or two and investing in your business fleet. Then later, after making better isk in much better places, he can buy the plex back and dump it into game time, no loss. Has skill, yes - has ships, no. See the problem? Hint: it's not trust issues. GÇö+¬GÇö |
Tyrendian Biohazard
Ubiquitous Hurt
242
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Posted - 2014.01.25 12:23:00 -
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Don't worry about corporations failing or going inactive. It is very common in EVE to hop corps until you find the right now that fits your play style, interests, and play times. Find one that is right for you.
It also sounds like you take a lot of things at face value. Money donation to corp, paying off ransomers for mining rights, etc. These are things that people do to make money. Do what you want in the game. If it is mining, search/hop around until you find a decent mining corp that runs fleets, has voice comms, and are social. You'll have a much better time mining with you're with people and talking away for a few hours.
As mentioned, EVE is very much a social game. You just need to find where you fit and enjoy yourself. Once you do that the game will make a lot more sense. My twitch stream to help new players: http://www.twitch.tv/biohazrd51
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Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2014.01.25 12:28:00 -
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Omega Sunset wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:OP has experience and knowledge issues, which aren't solved by "spending plex and going to WH or 0.0". But broke. Nothing wrong with selling a plex or two and investing in your business fleet. Then later, after making better isk in much better places, he can buy the plex back and dump it into game time, no loss. Has skill, yes - has ships, no. See the problem? Hint: it's not trust issues. OP, or do something different. Exploration is good, you can make a living here doing that. Or train up as a combat pilot, some of the best isk in the game comes from pew-pew, pvp and/or pve.
Someone who seriously considers paying 10 mil for a "mining permit" has experience issues and probably shouldn't join a WH or 0.0 group right away. Also, high sec is amazingly good for combat exploration so stop the dumb "must buy plex to get going yo" dumb stuff. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1327
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Posted - 2014.01.25 12:39:00 -
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Just to be totally clear and not being persecuted for wrong advertisement when I happen to find myself on same grid with OP: there is no such thing as mining permit and paying it to first douche that you meet is totally idiotic. If you want to mine and have protection while doing it join a corp that can and will provide such protection for you due to controlling their space (which is possible even without sov, there are lowsec areas where you cannot just simply jump in and do whatever without locals taking interest in you).
Generally speaking in Eve either you fight or run or pay somebody to fight for you. Sooner you understand it, smoother your Eve adventure will be. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
189
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Posted - 2014.01.25 13:17:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:
Someone who seriously considers paying 10 mil for a "mining permit" has experience issues and probably shouldn't join a WH or 0.0 group right away. Also, high sec is amazingly good for combat exploration so stop the dumb "must buy plex to get going yo" dumb stuff.
You are joking, right? I'd just as soon go get a combat ship and blap them compared to EVER handing out shake down isk to a bunch of high sec carebears. So I would be lacking in experiance for doing so? If you re-read the original post, he said he didn't have the isk and so they attacked. So wrong answer, again.
Combat exploration? you think that up all yourself or did you get the ideal from my previous post and try to use it against me? So you're advice is trust no one, stay in high sec and run combat to fund mining. imo, big fail ideal. Why dont you just suggest he biomass and get it done with?
And why are you using an alt here? It's more for forum trolls to use alts. Just sayin cuz you started this little debate here.
GÇö+¬GÇö |
Gregor Parud
114
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Posted - 2014.01.25 13:25:00 -
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Omega Sunset wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:
Someone who seriously considers paying 10 mil for a "mining permit" has experience issues and probably shouldn't join a WH or 0.0 group right away. Also, high sec is amazingly good for combat exploration so stop the dumb "must buy plex to get going yo" dumb stuff.
You are joking, right? I'd just as soon go get a combat ship and blap them compared to EVER handing out shake down isk to a bunch of high sec carebears. So I would be lacking in experiance for doing so? If you re-read the original post, he said he didn't have the isk and so they attacked. So wrong answer, again. Combat exploration? you think that up all yourself or did you get the ideal from my previous post and try to use it against me? So you're advice is trust no one, stay in high sec and run combat to fund mining. imo, big fail ideal. Why dont you just suggest he biomass and get it done with? And why are you using an alt here? It's more for forum trolls to use alts. Just sayin cuz you started this little debate here.
a) you're an alt as well so there's that b) you state "high sec sucks and should do exploration in 0.0" thus my reply is "high sec exploration is hilariously worthwhile" c) the OP shows to not be that knowledgeable on the game just yet, so the answer will never go "join 0.0", the answer also wouldn't be "never leave high sec" but then again I never stated as such, I stated "right now you're not ready for WH or 0.0" which is factually true so you can leave your hyperbole strawman bullshit elsewhere. d) anyone seriously planning to try and kill gankers has zero understanding of how **** works
So yes, your "lol your problem is being in high sec, move to 0.0 and all your problems will be solved yo, P.s. sell some plex while you're at it cause can't make the moneys" is dumb as hell.
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Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
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Posted - 2014.01.25 13:44:00 -
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Just pay the 10 million isk. Surely you can cough up that much. Buy a PLEX and use it to get a tanked Skiff and a permit. The New Order has sovereignty over all highsec systems, and we do keep Code-compliant miners safe. For more information, see www.minerbumping.com Once you are all set up and safe, join a well established and active corporation that does what you like to do.
I don't agree about low/null being better than highsec. I've done lowsec, nullsec, and to a lesser degree, womsec. Low is ok, null and holes have their moments, but highsec by far has been the most fun for me. Of course, I don't mine or run missions. I'm a pirate, and highsec has the most opportunities for someone in my field.
Eve being a game about player interaction, more players in local means more opportunities for that interaction, which means more fun.
everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com |
Roel Yento
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.25 13:46:00 -
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You need to find yourself an active corp, no problem leaving to join a new one. Get yourself a venture and start over. Hope you learned from your mistakes, don't donate all your money and tank up your miner to survive small ganks at the least. You should also watch tutorials and read about this game to help learn how things work since you seam to not understand much. Again find a good corp and they can help teach you.
Losses happen, deal with them, pick yourself back up, and try to learn from your mistakes. If you can't handle hardship then find a game that has no consequences for messing up. If you like a challenge, stay and in time as you do other things and speak with people, you will learn what you need to do to not fail and hopefully turn a profit and have fun. |
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
189
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Posted - 2014.01.25 13:55:00 -
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@ greg a. News to me, this is my alt now? You are posting in NCQA with an alt debating, kinda sad. Or is that your 3m old main? Even my alt is older than that, and more SP. b. I didn't say explore in 0.0, I suggested he join a guild in better places to mine, such as j-space or null, better isk. c. he seems to have more knowledge than your postings. d. words don't express... :/ You seem to have me all figured out with your jedi mind skills. end of line until you produce a propper posting character. GÇö+¬GÇö |
Gregor Parud
117
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Posted - 2014.01.25 14:08:00 -
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Omega Sunset wrote:@ greg a. News to me, this is my alt now? You are posting in NCQA with an alt debating, kinda sad. Or is that your 3m old main? Even my alt is older than that, and more SP. b. I didn't say explore in 0.0, I suggested he join a guild in better places to mine, such as j-space or null, better isk. c. he seems to have more knowledge than your postings. d. words don't express... :/ You seem to have me all figured out with your jedi mind skills. end of line until you produce a propper posting character.
a) So you're in WH or 0.0 space in a one man corp with no kills or losses to your name, and you're a main. Right. Or do you mean you give advice while not having factual first hand experience? So either you're an alt or you have no idea, make your choice b) "high sec sux. Go buy some plex to get new ships and join a wormhole or null corp", "And you left out my mention of wormhole space, which would be my first choice" c) lol d) see A
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Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
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Posted - 2014.01.25 14:28:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Omega Sunset wrote:@ greg a. News to me, this is my alt now? You are posting in NCQA with an alt debating, kinda sad. Or is that your 3m old main? Even my alt is older than that, and more SP. b. I didn't say explore in 0.0, I suggested he join a guild in better places to mine, such as j-space or null, better isk. c. he seems to have more knowledge than your postings. d. words don't express... :/ You seem to have me all figured out with your jedi mind skills. end of line until you produce a propper posting character. a) So you're in WH or 0.0 space in a one man corp with no kills or losses to your name, and you're a main. Right. Or do you mean you give advice while not having factual first hand experience? So either you're an alt or you have no idea, make your choice b) "high sec sux. Go buy some plex to get new ships and join a wormhole or null corp", "And you left out my mention of wormhole space, which would be my first choice" c) lol d) see A More jedi mind tricks, eh? from yout 3 month old main. You are so trolling, dude. My alt still has more SP than your main there.
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Gregor Parud
117
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Posted - 2014.01.25 14:32:00 -
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Who said I'm a main, nice try to avoid/change the subject btw. |
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
189
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Posted - 2014.01.25 14:53:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Who said I'm a main, nice try to avoid/change the subject btw. I said that's your main. You are a three monh old player in an npc corp trolling NCQA. It's that or no respect to use your main here so on an alt for purposes of trolling NCQA. So which is it, noob or troll?
And to clerify, yes my alt is skilled and seasoned and I often run support for my alt with this char. There are sometimes good reasons to keep your main in a solo or small corp while providing support for other characters. But you knew that already, right? I mean a clock is right at least twice a day, no?
Nlow look at what you are doing to this guys thread heh GÇö+¬GÇö |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1328
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Posted - 2014.01.25 14:55:00 -
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Guys, maybe we could get back on topic? Although I'm sure OP is already gone others might find this thread useful unless we will troll sh!t out of it as it would be usual GD trash. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
189
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Posted - 2014.01.25 15:13:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Guys, maybe we could get back on topic? Although I'm sure OP is already gone others might find this thread useful unless we will troll sh!t out of it as it would be usual GD trash. hah no doubt, as if I want to sit around all day doing this on my Bday.
OP, dont be afraid to take chances in this game, you'll have a blast. Just get back up quick, learn from past mistakes, move into bigger and better things. That sums up the whole of my posts on the topic.
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Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2014.01.25 15:15:00 -
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Omega Sunset wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Who said I'm a main, nice try to avoid/change the subject btw. I said that's your main. You are a three monh old player in an npc corp trolling NCQA. It's that or no respect to use your main here so on an alt for purposes of trolling NCQA. So which is it, noob or troll? And to clerify, yes my alt is skilled and seasoned and I often run support for my alt with this char. There are sometimes good reasons to keep your main in a solo or small corp while providing support for other characters. But you knew that already, right? I mean a broken clock is right at least twice a day, no? Nlow look at what you are doing to this guys thread heh
Your logic isn't logical. So this is your main who supports your... alts... and because I choose to post on this character it has to be my main. Stop trolling and stop telling newbies silly stuff like "buy plex".
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Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
189
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Posted - 2014.01.25 15:26:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:I brought you Bday cake! Oh! Thank you so much!! GÇö+¬GÇö |
Sofia Tsero
EVE University Ivy League
7
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Posted - 2014.01.25 15:43:00 -
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I think you'd have been blown up regardless of whether you had the 10M or not, but maybe that's just me.
And not to pimp out my own corp, but if you're trying to ease back into EVE then give EVEUni a shot. It'll give you access to the mining campus and fleet ops. I'm not a miner so I don't know a hell of a lot other than what's on the wiki page, but there's always someone you ask about it before you apply. |
Heddy Lamarr
New Eden Fedo Lovers Society
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Posted - 2014.01.25 15:53:00 -
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OP the whole 10 m for a mining permit is just a scam to extort money from you courtesy of James 315 and his band of merry morons. Its an extortion racket pure and simple. Once they get the 10m they'll simply find more ways to milk money out of you and then probably gank you for lol's anyway. Forgive me if that's obvious to you but your post seems to suggest that you take the whole permit thing pretty seriously.
My advice would be to pack up your remaining goodies and travel elsewhere in hi-sec. Hi-sec is big and that particular form of extortion doesn't exist everywhere. Then join another large mining / industrial corp - totally unrelated to your former one - and let them help you get back on your feet. You may not have money on your side but you do have SP's and any good mining corp would be mad not to snap up a high SP miner. Of course personally I'd rather have all my teeth extracted one by one with rusty pliers than mine but that's just me.
Happy Birthday Omega Sunset!!! |
Cara Forelli
Darkstorm Corporation
250
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Posted - 2014.01.25 15:56:00 -
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OP, here is a useful guide on finding the right corp for you by NightCrawler 85. There are plenty of high sec industrial corporations that would be glad to have you and may even help you replace your mining ship. If not, start in a venture and work your way up to a procurer (and fit a heavy tank on it to discourage miners).
If you do find yourself interested in PvP you can look for a corp that goes on occasional roams, or find a more combat oriented corporation. Eve Uni is a nice well rounded corp for new players. Brave Newbies do a lot of combat and are very new player friendly. RvB is a group that will except anyone, but is explicitly combat oriented (not much opportunity to make ISK).
If you can't find a good corp on the first (or second) try, give it a few weeks and then move on. It can be difficult to find your niche, but once you land you will be happy that you kept at. The right people to fly with make all the difference.
Omega - Don't tell new players to buy plex, or at least qualify your suggestion. The way you said it made it sound like it was her only option. There are plenty of ways to be successful in EVE without spending extra real life money. Many new players fall in to the trap of buying plex to fund shiny new ships, which they promptly lose due to lack of experience and then leave the game because they don't want to buy more plex. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
New player with questions? Like to answer questions? Join my public channel in game:-áHouse Forelli |
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