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Phaade
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
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Posted - 2014.01.26 00:41:00 -
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I cannot fathom how you continue to support links the way they are today, though slightly less ridiculous than they were in the past. Do you really believe it's reasonable for people to run around with such a massive combat advantage over anyone who chooses not to pay 30$ a month? It hurts those of us who like to PvP solo the most. Not a great move, considering solo PvP is the most fun you can have in Eve (in my humble opinion).
I cannot have links unless I pay for a second account, I personally fly a Command Ship / T3 on grid, or I have a friend sit off grid and not participate in combat. Since both latter options are not reasonable, the only logical explanation is that you wish to promote an individual having multiple accounts, and thus, make more money each month.
You choose to increase subscriptions in the short term while ignoring a blatant balance issue, thus long term subscription numbers. Not a great way to look at balancing your game, but I suppose it is your game. Luckily you have no competition in this niche (yet), or you may have to pay more attention to problems like this.
And "get friends who sit off grid and don't participate" or "train a link alt yourself" are not reasonable solutions.
Links have been ridiculous for years. The excuse that you are unable to program links to only function on grid is laughable.
Please fix links! |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2357
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Posted - 2014.01.26 01:04:00 -
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Do you have a suggestion for a change to links, or are you just ranting? |
James Nikolas Tesla
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
14
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Posted - 2014.01.26 04:30:00 -
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You might want to propose a fix so you will be taken more seriously. (Hopefully) Having a heart is what makes you strong, but it can also make you weak. |
Dilium
Diltech
14
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Posted - 2014.01.26 08:24:00 -
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James Nikolas Tesla wrote:You might want to propose a fix so you will be taken more seriously. (Hopefully)
Quote:Do you have a suggestion for a change to links, or are you just ranting?
Put them on grid, and/or put them into battlereport. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
966
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Posted - 2014.01.26 09:04:00 -
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On Grid is waiting on CCP to work out how to do it without killing the hamsters. n^2 issue atm which would lead to melt down in larger fights. We already have issues with drones, now imagine links compounding that. |
Phaade
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
132
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Posted - 2014.01.26 21:19:00 -
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Make links work on grid ONLY.
I'm sorry that went over your heads.
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Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2359
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Posted - 2014.01.26 21:20:00 -
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Phaade wrote:Make links work on grid ONLY.
I'm sorry that went over your heads.
Which is something CCP have said breaks everything. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2997
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Posted - 2014.01.26 21:48:00 -
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Fozzie has explicitly said that links and bonuses are something he wants and intends to rework sooner rather than later, but there are technical issues that need to be resolved first. Chill. Post on the Eve-o forums with a Goonswarm Federation character that drinking bleach is bad for you, and 20 forum warriors will hospitalise themselves trying to prove you wrong. |
Phaade
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
132
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Posted - 2014.01.27 00:11:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Phaade wrote:Make links work on grid ONLY.
I'm sorry that went over your heads.
Which is something CCP have said breaks everything.
Yet another death purely because of links; 75% of them are. This time, it was a 7 km/s Malediction with a 36km point and a 14km Scram (and friends).
I find it incredibly hard to believe CCP is incapable of programming links to function properly (on grid). It sounds far more like an excuse. If they truly can't, maybe they should consider new programmers.
There are plenty of AoE effects in this game. Don't tell me you can't give links a 200km (or whatever) radius. |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
456
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Posted - 2014.01.27 01:04:00 -
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The magnitude of warfare links needs to be reduced substantially, independent of the on-grid/off-grid distinction. Balance is very hard when the difference between linked and unlinked is so massive. Anything manageable without links will be grotesquely overpowered with links; anything manageable with links will be pathetically weak without. |
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
9528
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Posted - 2014.01.27 01:08:00 -
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Even if links worked ONLY while booster is on grid, youd probably complain next that they were located 10000km away on a manipulated grid and Grid-fu needs to be fixed. Then what after that? That the booster was 349km away just barely on a standard grid and now grid sizes need to be reduced? And if links were only 200km diameter, would you still complain that the CS was out of point range because they sat right on the limit?
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
143
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Posted - 2014.01.27 03:12:00 -
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Links are really NOT that hard to train into or do..... So.... I'd suggest training links. 'Fixing' them is a far larger, more challenging issue. The Law is a point of View |
Phaade
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
133
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Posted - 2014.01.27 05:23:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Even if links worked ONLY while booster is on grid, youd probably complain next that they were located 10000km away on a manipulated grid and Grid-fu needs to be fixed. Then what after that? That the booster was 349km away just barely on a standard grid and now grid sizes need to be reduced? And if links were only 200km diameter, would you still complain that the CS was out of point range because they sat right on the limit?
Everything you said is completely unfounded and, well, senseless. And you clearly use links.
I would not complain if a T3 landed on grid and my target gained links. Because I could have most likely killed / evaded / otherwise neutralized my target. More importantly, there would be some level of risk involved in the booster, rather than the present zero.
Are you going to continue to make unfounded, ridiculous statements, void of all reason? |
Phaade
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
133
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Posted - 2014.01.27 05:25:00 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Links are really NOT that hard to train into or do..... So.... I'd suggest training links. 'Fixing' them is a far larger, more challenging issue.
So you're saying I should pay 30 bucks a month?
Or should I sit in a safe 40 AU away and boost my friend who is pvping?
Or should I ask my friend to sit 40 AU away and boost me so I can pvp on a level playing field?
All three options are unreasonable. And you clearly use links.
Is it not better to address the problem than the symptom? |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2635
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Posted - 2014.01.27 05:43:00 -
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Phaade wrote:I cannot fathom how you continue to support links the way they are today, though slightly less ridiculous than they were in the past. Do you really believe it's reasonable for people to run around with such a massive combat advantage over anyone who chooses not to pay 30$ a month? It hurts those of us who like to PvP solo the most. Not a great move, considering solo PvP is the most fun you can have in Eve (in my humble opinion). ie. 1700m/s AB incursus that tanks 400 dps I cannot have links unless I pay for a second account, I personally fly a Command Ship / T3 on grid, or I have a friend sit off grid and not participate in combat. Since both latter options are not reasonable, the only logical explanation is that you wish to promote an individual having multiple accounts, and thus, make more money each month. You choose to increase subscriptions in the short term while ignoring a blatant balance issue, thus long term subscription numbers. Not a great way to look at balancing your game, but I suppose it is your game. Luckily you have no competition in this niche (yet), or you may have to pay more attention to problems like this. And "get friends who sit off grid and don't participate" or "train a link alt yourself" are not reasonable solutions. Links have been ridiculous for years. The excuse that you are unable to program links to only function on grid is laughable. Please fix links!
I'm compelled to point out that the OP is using a crap excuse to talk about links.
Eve is a MULTIPLAYER GAME.
Multi....as in more than one, plural, as in not singular.
If you find yourself in a solo fight... you've done it wrong and you deserve to die. Sure, its awesome to get a solo kill using whatever... but that is what makes it so challenging and rightly so. Links have bugger all to do with it unless your dumb enough to duel a guy in a local with more than the 2 of you and the other dude is hiding on the otherside of the system while his buddy pew pews you.
I have no objections to nerfing links so they only work on grid (i.e. they are visible) and that neutral boosting make people suspect (or get an LE timer to the people doing the shooting) to allow others to "reach out and touch them".
But complaining about links when your dumb enough to get ganked using them, without bringing any friends to help you is just plain useless. Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
143
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Posted - 2014.01.27 07:14:00 -
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Phaade wrote:Kenrailae wrote:Links are really NOT that hard to train into or do..... So.... I'd suggest training links. 'Fixing' them is a far larger, more challenging issue. So you're saying I should pay 30 bucks a month? Or should I sit in a safe 40 AU away and boost my friend who is pvping? Or should I ask my friend to sit 40 AU away and boost me so I can pvp on a level playing field? All three options are unreasonable. And you clearly use links. Is it not better to address the problem than the symptom?
I'm saying that fixing Links is a very challenging issue, in no way shape or form clear cut, easy, or likely to be fixable in the short term.
Yep, I'm a links pilot. Check my KB. Spend most my time in a Damnation or Guardian. I'm also aware of what it's like to use and not use links. Thanks for the obvious.
But as pointed out, Eve IS a multiplayer game. If you choose to solo, you choose to give up the advantages of those who don't.
Further, if you're arguing for the 'you can't fit links in small plexes' argument, then get behind the destroyer class booster ship movement.
You could always ask for 1v1's in local... Until then, you're gonna have to expect to run into links. Or griffins, or maulus, or other types of annoyances, all of which are far easier to balance and fix than links. The Law is a point of View |
Colt Blackhawk
Team Six. The North is Coming
239
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Posted - 2014.01.27 10:08:00 -
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Well burn links in a fire
Why CCP won-¦t do a ****? Why? Let us take a look:
-CCP has completely *** up gameplay for newbies. The missions are completely outdated and even carebear stuff like incursions need a high skilled toon and a lot of isk.
-PVP with only one account is only doable when joining big blob fleets. With links ofc^^ Otherwise you will get killed by players using link alts, neutral cloaky logi alts, falcon alts, multiboxers with 10 accounts in a sniper corm etc...
-So after CCP completely killed the game for new players they have only one choice: Force the old players to get more and more accounts. You had a loki booster? HAHAHA. You lost because the other guy had Loki AND Legion links^^
Actually when I see 30k people online I know that there are prolly 10k people and the rest are alts.
So yes CCP said they will do something with links, but wanna bet they won-¦t? Or let us be honest then everyone will be flying probably only with cloaky neutral logi alt instead of the booster^^ Damn this game is broken like hell but yes CCP we need more mobile structures^^ [09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1181
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Posted - 2014.01.27 10:33:00 -
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Phaade wrote:Make links work on grid ONLY.
I'm sorry that went over your heads.
They already stated they want that a LOT. But makign so is not without side effects and possibly the people tha can fix it are busy with thing slike massive lag in fleet fights. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
366
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Posted - 2014.01.27 11:16:00 -
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Phaade wrote:I cannot fathom how you continue to support links the way they are today, though slightly less ridiculous than they were in the past. Do you really believe it's reasonable for people to run around with such a massive combat advantage over anyone who chooses not to pay 30$ a month? It hurts those of us who like to PvP solo the most.
Just playing devils advocate, how does link on grid help you as a soloist? I mean the alt is still there and at up to 249 km's......you gonna burn off to kill them while getting beat down by his friends.
Not to say I am not against the idea of no ogb but not at the cost of breaking links. CCP has them outside of pos....baby steps here really. Want to be the killer of linkers, pack some probes and find them first to kill or get them stuck in a pos where they don't work anymore. |
Julius Rigel
135
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Posted - 2014.01.27 11:48:00 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:Just playing devils advocate, how does link on grid help you as a soloist? I mean the alt is still there and at up to 249 km's......you gonna burn off to kill them while getting beat down by his friends. I think that the idea of restricting them to on-grid is the one part of the whole debate that makes clear, logical sense: With almost all other offensive mechanisms (except fleet bonuses? Do those also work system-wide?), you have the anchoring principle that you can see what is attacking you. I think it makes sense that you should be able to warp onto a grid and at least have that natural feedback of "this is contributing to the fight", even if that has no other effect than simply providing the clear, concise Boolean state of "this guy is the only other, non-cloaked ship on the grid, so until someone warps or jumps onto the grid, this is exclusively the guy I have to deal with". That part makes sense to me.
Other things I don't agree with. For instance:
Phaade wrote:Do you really believe it's reasonable for people to run around with such a massive combat advantage over anyone who chooses not to pay 30$ a month? Yes, that seems entirely reasonable. It is a multiplayer game, so you can solve this problem by bringing multiple players.
Phaade wrote:You choose to increase subscriptions in the short term while ignoring a blatant balance issue, thus long term subscription numbers. This doesn't seem true at all. What data is this based on? From what I can tell (looking at server activity numbers, available at eve-offline and such), subscriptions have steadily gone up in the long term, not down.
Phaade wrote:And "get friends who sit off grid and don't participate" or "train a link alt yourself" are not reasonable solutions. Perhaps not, but "get friends to fit links and participate in the fight" IS entirely reasonable.
Phaade wrote:The excuse that you are unable to program links to only function on grid is laughable. So write a proper feature change proposal that explains in meticulous detail the problem, your proposed solution, the possible problems your proposed solution could cause, and how to implement it. "This needs to be fixed" is not a solution, and "this needs to be fixed by making your programmers fix it" is not an adequate idea for a solution in my opinion. Do YOU like to undock? |
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Jint Hikaru
Truly Transdimensional The Nova Foundry
1112
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Posted - 2014.01.27 12:42:00 -
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Phaade wrote:I It hurts those of us who like to PvP solo the most. Not a great move, considering solo PvP is the most fun you can have in Eve (in my humble opinion). ie. 1700m/s AB incursus that tanks 400 dps
So you want to SOLO, but with Links..... Hmmmm OK.
Despite the discussion about ion/off grid links, your OP really smacks of "Waaaa other peoples play styles are different than mine. Change the game!!!"
Also nobody is stopping you bringing your link friend On-Grid... I wouldn't advise it, but nobody is stopping you.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Dilium
Diltech
15
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Posted - 2014.01.27 20:01:00 -
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Quote:It is a multiplayer game, so you can solve this problem by bringing multiple players.
Quote:Eve is a MULTIPLAYER GAME.
When people use arguments like this, i sometimes suspect they have downgraded solo pvp to a mini-game because they are afraid their blobfests will suffer as a side effect of changes that is good for solo pvp. Right now i don't care if your precious booster alt is forced on grid or taken in on killmail somehow. Atleast then it will be there for all to see, like Falcon alt, as a token of your...playstyle.
Im not judging people using OGB, or maybe i am, but that is not relevant to the topic anyway. |
Kirkwood Ross
Golden Profession
129
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Posted - 2014.01.27 20:55:00 -
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On-grid boosting would be useless in large fleet fights as they would get alpha'd instantly. Also gridfu is still a problem. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1408
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Posted - 2014.01.27 22:33:00 -
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Phaade wrote:I cannot have links unless I pay for a second account, I personally fly a Command Ship / T3 on grid, or I have a friend sit off grid and not participate in combat.
You forgot, "Have a friend sit off grid with a second account." "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
367
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Posted - 2014.01.27 23:02:00 -
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Dilium wrote:Quote:It is a multiplayer game, so you can solve this problem by bringing multiple players. Quote:Eve is a MULTIPLAYER GAME. When people use arguments like this, i sometimes suspect they have downgraded solo pvp to a mini-game because they are afraid their blobfests will suffer as a side effect of changes that is good for solo pvp. .
Problem is the game really can't cater to solo. Make solo uber somehow and people will still group up and be even more uber.
CCP's MMO focus has to be in place. They know a larger part of the player base will group up. And not jsut for "We win" fleet/roam setups. Many group up to be you know....social. The whole
hey john, remember that little trip we took through catch a few weeks ago?
Yeah, yeah....some good times there man.
Eve kind of like rl...you can go the bar solo and drink alone. Or you can call up your friend and say its bar hopping time. latter tends to be more fun.
Or others approach to this game is specialization. OP and others like him seem to like generic eve action to be the all in one lone ship. Which is all good, sandbox game. Then you have peeps like me who at some point like specialties and odd ball fits.
One of my fun wolf fits is fleet support required. I to resolve the dilemma of how to tank and gank a wolf at the same time run MSE fit and gyro/te the lows. YOu might be asking wheres the point? Is none. I rely on others to tackle and a shield linker to boost tank is never kicked out of bed as it were. Lots of caveats to thiis build granted. But.....it hits pretty damn hard lol. I find it a nice break from the more common wolf fits.
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Dolorous Tremmens
The Scope Gallente Federation
95
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Posted - 2014.01.27 23:55:00 -
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I just saw a rant followed by whining, and even tears. You've made your position about links, and the only solution you'll accept is one that CCP has said is server breaking.
I'm not going to tell you to get friends to help, you should just get some friends. And some help. Get some Eve. Make it yours.
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Iyacia Cyric'ai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
94
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:24:00 -
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Phaade wrote:Yet another death purely because of links; 75% of them are. This time, it was a 7 km/s Malediction with a 36km point and a 14km Scram with friends landing 2 minutes later....cuz hey, there is no escaping something like that (outside neut range, untrackable, uncatchable, can't slingshot, etc). While I agree about your general sentiment about links, those Malediction stats can be achieved by merely overheating. Shouldn't blame links for everything. |
Phaade
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
137
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:24:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Phaade wrote:I cannot fathom how you continue to support links the way they are today, though slightly less ridiculous than they were in the past. Do you really believe it's reasonable for people to run around with such a massive combat advantage over anyone who chooses not to pay 30$ a month? It hurts those of us who like to PvP solo the most. Not a great move, considering solo PvP is the most fun you can have in Eve (in my humble opinion). ie. 1700m/s AB incursus that tanks 400 dps I cannot have links unless I pay for a second account, I personally fly a Command Ship / T3 on grid, or I have a friend sit off grid and not participate in combat. Since both latter options are not reasonable, the only logical explanation is that you wish to promote an individual having multiple accounts, and thus, make more money each month. You choose to increase subscriptions in the short term while ignoring a blatant balance issue, thus long term subscription numbers. Not a great way to look at balancing your game, but I suppose it is your game. Luckily you have no competition in this niche (yet), or you may have to pay more attention to problems like this. And "get friends who sit off grid and don't participate" or "train a link alt yourself" are not reasonable solutions. Links have been ridiculous for years. The excuse that you are unable to program links to only function on grid is laughable. Please fix links! I'm compelled to point out that the OP is using a crap excuse to talk about links. Eve is a MULTIPLAYER GAME.Multi....as in more than one, plural, as in not singular. If you find yourself in a solo fight... you've done it wrong and you deserve to die. Sure, its awesome to get a solo kill using whatever... but that is what makes it so challenging and rightly so. Links have bugger all to do with it unless your dumb enough to duel a guy in a local with more than the 2 of you and the other dude is hiding on the otherside of the system while his buddy pew pews you. I have no objections to nerfing links so they only work on grid (i.e. they are visible) and that neutral boosting make people suspect (or get an LE timer to the people doing the shooting) to allow others to "reach out and touch them". But complaining about links when your dumb enough to get ganked using them, in the absence of any alts or the flat out refusal to get them, without bringing any friends to help you is just plain useless.
I am sorry you are too afraid to attempt Solo PvP. You really should try it sometime, it is quite fun.
Apologies that I enjoy the thrill of engaging groups larger than one, and certainly in systems with more than just one other person in local. If that makes me dumb, then I, and all of those epic PvPers out there must be completely ********.
Furthermore, apparently you are too inept to understand a very simple concept:
SOMEONE REQUIRES MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS TO PVP AND HAVE LINKS AT THE SAME TIME, EVEN WITH FRIENDS.
Eve being multi-player does not mean I want to sit 40AU in a booster ship while my friends pvp. Nor do I want my friends to sit 40AU away in a booster ship while I pvp.
Please, next time you wish you respond, at least attempt to use that thing you call a brain. |
Phaade
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
137
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:31:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:Well burn links in a fire Why CCP won-¦t do a ****? Why? Let us take a look: -CCP has completely *** up gameplay for newbies. The missions are completely outdated and even carebear stuff like incursions need a high skilled toon and a lot of isk. -PVP with only one account is only doable when joining big blob fleets. With links ofc^^ Otherwise you will get killed by players using link alts, neutral cloaky logi alts, falcon alts, multiboxers with 10 accounts in a sniper corm etc... -So after CCP completely killed the game for new players they have only one choice: Force the old players to get more and more accounts. You had a loki booster? HAHAHA. You lost because the other guy had Loki AND Legion links^^ Actually when I see 30k people online I know that there are prolly 10k people and the rest are alts. So yes CCP said they will do something with links, but wanna bet they won-¦t? Or let us be honest then everyone will be flying probably only with cloaky neutral logi alt instead of the booster^^ Damn this game is broken like hell but yes CCP we need more mobile structures^^
Praise the Lord! A man with some sense! All too rare around these parts.
All valid points; I understand solo is an uphill battle, that's what makes it exhilarating. It's plenty steep without adding the stupidity of off grid boosters though. I can deal with almost any conventional threat by just flying intelligently with the scanner, knowing my engagement profile, etc.
It is, however, much more difficult to manage a stupidly fast interceptor with stupidly long points, or a frigate that tanks stupidly well, (the list goes on) without knowing that my target is even linked until I'm on grid with them.
To another poster, I like the T2 booster Destroyer idea; I think it's a great one. Again, needs to require links to function only on grid.
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Phaade
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
138
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:49:00 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:Dilium wrote:Quote:It is a multiplayer game, so you can solve this problem by bringing multiple players. Quote:Eve is a MULTIPLAYER GAME. When people use arguments like this, i sometimes suspect they have downgraded solo pvp to a mini-game because they are afraid their blobfests will suffer as a side effect of changes that is good for solo pvp. . Problem is the game really can't cater to solo. Make solo uber somehow and people will still group up and be even more uber. CCP's MMO focus has to be in place. They know a larger part of the player base will group up. And not jsut for "We win" fleet/roam setups. Many group up to be you know....social. The whole hey john, remember that little trip we took through catch a few weeks ago? Yeah, yeah....some good times there man. Eve kind of like rl...you can go the bar solo and drink alone. Or you can call up your friend and say its bar hopping time. latter tends to be more fun. Or others approach to this game is specialization. OP and others like him seem to like generic eve action to be the all in one lone ship. Which is all good, sandbox game. Then you have peeps like me who at some point like specialties and odd ball fits. One of my fun wolf fits is fleet support required. I to resolve the dilemma of how to tank and gank a wolf at the same time run MSE fit and gyro/te the lows. YOu might be asking wheres the point? Is none. I rely on others to tackle and a shield linker to boost tank is never kicked out of bed as it were. Lots of caveats to thiis build granted. But.....it hits pretty damn hard lol. I find it a nice break from the more common wolf fits.
They don't have to cater to solo, they simply have to make links reasonable. Increasing a ships velocity by 35% (or whatever it is) is absolutely ridiculous, especially in a game where speed is so critical in an engagement. And that's ONE of many bonuses!
Specialties and oddball fits are what make Solo PvP'rs shine, and what make a creative player able to take on the masses. So I'm not really sure what you mean.
If you want to fly in a group, that's your prerogative and perfectly fine. Links, either way, require someone to pay for an alt, which IMO is ridiculous.
There are things I like to do in this world with friends, and other things I like the thrill of doing alone. There are benefits and situations for both. Besides, Solo pvp blows blob pvp out of the water. Small gang stuff can be great fun too, but you have to have a solid group of great pvpers in specific fits, willing opponents, your friends to all be online....etc. There is no reason to bone Solo pvp the way links currently do.
(this may have been another poster) Targeting booster ships in fleet engagements does nothing but add the the strategy, tactic, and depth of fleet PvP, and that's something blob warfare definitely needs!! Saying that they "will just be alpha'd of field" is entirely wrong, unless you are so daft you place your CS's in the middle of the fight. If links reach 300km, then you place them 250km from your fleet, and guess what, you open the grid up to so many more possibilities! Warp ins, destroyers in formation around your command ships to prevent warp ins, the micro jump drive, the micro jump drive structure....all play to links being on grid A GOOD THING.
The mindlessness of having some tard alt in a safe spot 40AU from the fight for these MASSIVE bonuses to combat effectiveness.....................
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