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Pax Althaleen
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Posted - 2006.03.29 01:44:00 -
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Hello everyone.
I'm new to EVE Online but I simply love the open-endedness of this Game and the Lightyears We can go as Players in It so to speak.
That stated - I've seen how alot of the smaller Historic details of EVE seem to have been left out (perhaps with good cause though).
I know that many Posters have said that You can use a little creative Licence when making up a BIO, and Its this that has Interested Me as I thought about what I would write in It.
Here are some questions I would like answered if anyone can...
1) What are the 5 Amarr Great Ruling Houses ? I know there are these 3 at least...
1st House - House Kor-Azor
2nd House - House Sarum
3rd House - House Torash
2) Would anyone like to see what I wrote up about the Practise of "Shathol'Syn" ?
Respectfully,
Pax
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Silver Night
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Posted - 2006.03.29 09:19:00 -
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Torash isn't actually one of the houses. i think you may not have seen some of hte other sources of fiction, such as the racial histories. The Amarr one has a number of details about the Heir families. If you go to 'backstory' on the right, and to races. There is something about each culture there. From memory the 5 Amarr houses that rule, and from whcih the emperor can come are: Sarum, Tash-Murkon, Kor-Azor, Kador, and Ardishapur. Khanid used to be a royal house, but broke off to form their own kingdom adjacent to the Empire. Torash is an Amarr holder. A member of hte aristocracy, but not actually one of the ruling families.
Anyway, for canon, pretty much everything in that 'backstory' section of the site is quite handy.
And we always want to see what people have written around here.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.03.29 21:42:00 -
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Tash-Murkon is kind of the bastard child of the royal heir houses, they weren't even one of them until Khanid left, and according to PF their Udorian ancestry makes them even more seperated, although Catiz Tash-Murkon is apparently Ni-Kunni, which confuses the hell out of me.
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Pax Althaleen
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Posted - 2006.03.30 01:55:00 -
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OK - So then as I understand It - This is how it sits right now...
There are 5 Ruling Amarri Households
1st House - House Kor-Azor
2nd House - House Sarum
3rd House - House Tash-Murkon
4th House - House Kador
5th House - House Ardishapur
And here is what I've written down about the "Shathol'Syn" Ritual.
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The "Shathol'Syn" - Is an Integral part of the Ancient Amarri Succession Ceremony. It is performed by Emperor Succession Combatants Who've been defeated in the Championship Battles.
The "Shathol'Syn" is a Ritual Suicide event that is carried out by the Heirs (Lords) of those Ruling Houses that have lost their Bid to Succession during the Amarri Championship Battles.
This specific part of the Ceremony begins at a point just before the Amarri Crown is placed on the Amarri Champion's Head -Thereby dictating that the new Champion is to be Hailed as Emperor.
That said - The Amarri Crown cannot be placed on the new Champion's Head until such time as the "Shathol'Syn" has been completed. In Amarri Culture - This Ritual ensures 3 specific things ;
1) That no other "Heir Apparent" is left living to contest the Succession once the Succession Ceremonies have been concluded.
2) Restoration of the Defeated Ruling House's Honor.
Being chosen as a Succession Champion is one of the Highest Amarri Honors that can be bestowed upon any Great House. Seeing as how only 5 Bids of Succession are normally granted (for the 5 Great Houses) - Only 1 Bid for Succession can be the Eventual Winner through these Succession Championship Battles. Now due to the Rarity and High Honor of being granted a Succession Bid - That Succession Bid is only an Honorable Bid as long as the Heir of that House is Victorious in their Succession Battles.
Losing a Succession Battle is the same as loosing face and its viewed as Dishonorable. This Dishonor disgraces the losing House and the only way to purge that Great House of the Dishonor - Is to have that House's Heir perform the "Shathol'Syn" on themselves - Thereby absolving that House of It's Dishonor suffered VIA the Succession Battles.
3) A new Heir can now take over and direct that House to perhaps even greater ends as It allows that Ruling House a better chance of success the next time the Amarri Succession Championships are held.
The act of Committing "Shathol'Syn" is accomplished by cutting the Jugular Vein with a Sharp Blade. Note that this quickly results in the Bleeding to Death of the Practitioner.
The "Sharp Blade" used in Amarri "Shathol'Syn" Rituals has varied over the Centuries but It has been in Modern times - A Laser Blade, while with the very Ancient Houses - The "Al'Syn Nedruege" has been Employed (It is known to resemble an Intricate English Shortsword, and all of the Ruling Houses have one for this Purpose)...
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Please be kind...
Respectfully,
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2006.03.30 08:39:00 -
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Not bad. Just a couple of points.
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It is performed by Emperor Succession Combatants Who've been defeated in the Championship Battles.
Rather than 'Battles' in that last bit, put 'Challanges' since the succession contests are not always battles. Or rather, it doesn't say there will be battles. The challange is issued by the Theology Council and is meant to reflect the current state of Amarr society to best determine who is more suited to ruiling over the other. The last one just happened to take the form of a frigate battle but they are not always done as such as the method is not set in stone. You never know, the next challange could be a dancing contest.
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This specific part of the Ceremony begins at a point just before the Amarri Crown is placed on the Amarri Champion's Head -Thereby dictating that the new Champion is to be Hailed as Emperor.
I am not sure the Emperor wears a crown. Maybe some of the die hard Amarr scholars can give a better answer but I don't recall hearing a crown mentioned in the past.
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The act of Committing "Shathol'Syn" is accomplished by cutting the Jugular Vein with a Sharp Blade. Note that this quickly results in the Bleeding to Death of the Practitioner.
They do not use a blade. At the last Shathol'Syn at the corrination of Doriam the ritual suicide was conducted by the heirs boarding an Imperial issue Apocalyps and they self destructed it in space one by one.
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The "Sharp Blade" used in Amarri "Shathol'Syn" Rituals has varied over the Centuries but It has been in Modern times - A Laser Blade, while with the very Ancient Houses - The "Al'Syn Nedruege" has been Employed (It is known to resemble an Intricate English Shortsword, and all of the Ruling Houses have one for this Purpose)...
In the world of EVE, 'English' does not exist. Such specific knowledge has been lost over the tens of thousands of years being cut off from Earth. So saying it resembles an English Shortsword makes no sense.
Finally, your reasons for the ritual suicide are a little off too. I guess what you have put is open to speculation but you should read this.
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This is done to minimize the risk of conflicts between the new Emperor and the old Privy Council, by removing all of the old ones and replacing the Privy Council with the next-in-line of the five royal families, thus starting anew.
It is all about having a 'clean slate' to work with rather than restoring honour to the family. Kind of like saying 'Well you had your one and only shot, so it is someone elses turn now.' This is similar to your first point, but a slightly different angle and the two can go hand in hand.
Hope all this helps.
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Pax Althaleen
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Posted - 2006.04.01 02:02:00 -
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Edited by: Pax Althaleen on 01/04/2006 02:04:54
TY so much for the Constructive Critism. Most of the Points You've made about My Post I agree with but for a couple of exceptions.
Now before I post further I just want to let You all know that after some good advice - I read the Amarr Succession Story from the Backstory Section before I went to write the Second draft of the "Shathol'Syn" Ritual (As I should have done 1st off but with that said - Lets just say that a Firewall was preventing Me from doing that when I had My creative writing Urge for this piece).
1) Methods of just how the Ritual Suicides are carried out seems to be open to Interpretation. Now what I mean by this is that while I see that after the last Challenges - The Heirs DID commit "Shathol'Syn" by using Spaceships to Self-Destruct in - It didn't seem obvious to Me that this was the only way that the Ritual was, or has been carried out in the past.
It seems to Me (And I believe the Backstory would support Me in this) that It may be up to those Individual Heirs to decide just how They will complete the "Shathol'Syn" for themselves - And then go about doing It.
Simply stated from what I've read - As long as the Heirs that have lost the Challenges perform the Ritual - The Privy Council begins anew and the Ritual of "Shathol'Syn" has been dutifully carried out - Right ?
2) I used the "English Shortsword" analogy as a reference and only that. It was used more to give a description of what It seems to resemble rather than what It actually is. The reason that I used this example was because I thought It would be an Item that a lot of People could relate to and see in their Mind's eye. In fact, I even named it (The Al'Syn Nedruege) to ensure that It gave the Implement some distance from that Item so It wouldn't be thought of as exactly that - An English Shortsword or anything too close to It...
Now the reason that I used a Blade as a possible "Shathol'Syn" Implement for the Older Families - Was due to the fact that It seemed that the "Shathol'Syn" Ritual is steeped in History and has been practised by the Amarr for a long time. It only seemed natural to Me that some Families would consider themselves more "Pure" than others and that this Individuality would acount for these Differences in how the "Shathol'Syn" Ritual COULD be carried out.
What I was getting at was more like this...
The "Old Ways" (Which are always a part of any culture) would allow for the "Al'Syn Nedruege" to be used by those "Older" and more "Pure" Ruling Families when and if They chose to do so.
The above stated - I now have the Second Version of this piece ready for Posting, but I would like to get these Points nailed down first so that when I do the Second Posting - It will be a Final Posting...
Sincerely and Respectfully,
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.04.01 03:53:00 -
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All of what Darius said is true, plus I'll add one other problem with your method...
Cutting the jugular is NOT kill quickly. It takes quite a few minutes to die from that. Cutting the carotid would be a much, much faster method.
Not that it's relevant anyway.
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