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Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
270
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Posted - 2014.02.04 14:51:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:Moneta Curran wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:Moneta Curran wrote:Thomas Mickelson wrote:Ok so I use a Myrmidon for ratting, I got 4 curators and can usually rip stuff up before the rats even get into lock on range. Now all of a sudden they can't hit the broadside of a barn, and at that, Omnidirectional tracking links seem to be activitable now, and I thought they were passive before.
CCP plan to fix this? Or was this intentional? Nice way of showing you have been living under a rock for the last couple of months. Are you familiar with the concept of patch notes? I am quite sick of tards throwing this around. Not all of EvE's playerbase are basement dwellers that can read every patch note or read every forum. Granted if you are the type that does not have time to read patch notes that should be explained at the begining and then take a massively passive nature to one's OP. But you sir are a **** along with whoever else screams "shoulda read the patch notes grrr slurpgurggleyarr" Common sense would dictate that if something has been changed intentionally, it must have been documented in the patch notes. Failing to grasp this and creating another pointless thread here is nothing but a shameful display of cluelessness and poor judgement. Common sense would dictate that one should read the OP, interpret from it that the poster did not read the patch notes and then recognize and see that the last question of the OP was, "Or is this intentional?" All the first responder needed to do was say, 'Yes this change was intentional and you can read up on it in Patch # ....... But no this is general discussion where no one knows how to answer a question properly. Point, set and match.
While you may be content with your dimwitted comeback, you fail to see that my original question, "Are you familiar with the concept of patch notes?" already covered all of those assumptions regarding the OP.
Please try to improve your reading comprehension skills before you try to lecture others on how to address silly questions.
I will concur that perhaps people like the OP and you do need to have everything spelled out for them in the most simple terms..
You presume that it is somehow our duty to inform the clueless and the lazy. It is not. |
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
428
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Posted - 2014.02.04 15:32:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Arsine Mayhem wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Sentries are so last year. It's all about light combat drones now. Trust me. Mr Epeen These stats also effect combat drones. 1. No saneperson fits omnis to a boat using light drones. 2. Lights have had a significant buff with the drone shield recharge changes
1. Unless those light drones are your point defence against targets that are too small and close for your sentries to track
2. Which doesn't help when the poor dears get alpha'd |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2391
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Posted - 2014.02.04 15:48:00 -
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Moneta Curran wrote:Thomas Mickelson wrote:Ok so I use a Myrmidon for ratting, I got 4 curators and can usually rip stuff up before the rats even get into lock on range. Now all of a sudden they can't hit the broadside of a barn, and at that, Omnidirectional tracking links seem to be activitable now, and I thought they were passive before.
CCP plan to fix this? Or was this intentional? Nice way of showing you have been living under a rock for the last couple of months. Are you familiar with the concept of patch notes?
See, above we have a nice and simple question. No flames and simple statement about an observation and then asking if it was planned and if not if it has been recognized. Hell, he also admits that he may have missed the reported change.
Following that we have the typical GD ass hat response in the form of an insult and then a half assed attempt to point the OP in the some vague direction to the patch notes. Your response did nothing.
Moneta Curran wrote:While you may be content with your dimwitted comeback, you fail to see that my original question, "Are you familiar with the concept of patch notes?" already covered all of those assumptions regarding the OP.
Please try to improve your reading comprehension skills before you try to lecture others on how to address silly questions.
I will concur that perhaps people like the OP and you do need to have everything spelled out for them in the most simple terms..
You presume that it is somehow our duty to inform the clueless and the lazy. It is not.
You also seem to have missed my prior comment on how not everyone has the time to keep up with patch notes and the General Discussion is the place to come and ask simple questions like this.
P.S. Someone calling another out about insults when their original question was preceded by an insult is pure hypocrisy
P.S.S. If you really were an intelligent individual and wanted to actually help the community you would have provided the OP with a link to the patch notes that contained the changes....But I guess that was too much work for someone of your capacity. |
Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
270
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Posted - 2014.02.04 16:00:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote: ..and the General Discussion is the place to come and ask simple questions like this.
Ehm, no.. it's not.. and since this is the cornerstone of your argument, you are completely wrong.
In the spirit of enlightening our misguided fellow players, let me provide you with a helpful link:
Eve New Citizens Q&A |
Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
218
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Posted - 2014.02.04 19:36:00 -
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Ships & Modules.... Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2391
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Posted - 2014.02.04 20:10:00 -
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Moneta Curran wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote: ..and the General Discussion is the place to come and ask simple questions like this. Ehm, no.. it's not.. and since this is the cornerstone of your argument, you are completely wrong. In the spirit of enlightening our misguided fellow players, let me provide you with a helpful link: Eve New Citizens Q&A
Wow, so you provide that link to the New Citizens forum to prove an invalid point and not a link to the patch notes in your first response. Shaking my head. If you had put an once of this effort into your first response none of this would be going on.
EDIT: Technically there is a sub forum for every potential topic so technically GD is really a waste of space....with your line of thought that is. |
Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
270
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Posted - 2014.02.04 20:17:00 -
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Pok Nibin wrote:Ships & Modules....
Right, forgot about that one.. anyway, they struck me as newbs.
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Lugia3
Emerald Inc.
794
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Posted - 2014.02.04 20:28:00 -
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Because Archon blobs care about a microscopic amount of capacitor being used by the omni... "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
123
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Posted - 2014.02.04 20:54:00 -
[189] - Quote
Slade Trillgon wrote:Moneta Curran wrote:Thomas Mickelson wrote:Ok so I use a Myrmidon for ratting, I got 4 curators and can usually rip stuff up before the rats even get into lock on range. Now all of a sudden they can't hit the broadside of a barn, and at that, Omnidirectional tracking links seem to be activitable now, and I thought they were passive before.
CCP plan to fix this? Or was this intentional? Nice way of showing you have been living under a rock for the last couple of months. Are you familiar with the concept of patch notes? See, above we have a nice and simple question. No flames and simple statement about an observation and then asking if it was planned and if not if it has been recognized. Hell, he also admits that he may have missed the reported change. Following that we have the typical GD ass hat response in the form of an insult and then a half assed attempt to point the OP in the some vague direction to the patch notes. Your response did nothing. Moneta Curran wrote:While you may be content with your dimwitted comeback, you fail to see that my original question, "Are you familiar with the concept of patch notes?" already covered all of those assumptions regarding the OP.
Please try to improve your reading comprehension skills before you try to lecture others on how to address silly questions.
I will concur that perhaps people like the OP and you do need to have everything spelled out for them in the most simple terms..
You presume that it is somehow our duty to inform the clueless and the lazy. It is not. You also seem to have missed my prior comment on how not everyone has the time to keep up with patch notes and the General Discussion is the place to come and ask simple questions like this. P.S. Someone calling another out about insults when their original question was preceded by an insult is pure hypocrisy P.S.S. If you really were an intelligent individual and wanted to actually help the community you would have provided the OP with a link to the patch notes that contained the changes....But I guess that was too much work for someone of your capacity.
I like this. Fuktards in abundance in this game. |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
123
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Posted - 2014.02.04 20:56:00 -
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Moneta Curran wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote: ..and the General Discussion is the place to come and ask simple questions like this. Ehm, no.. it's not.. and since this is the cornerstone of your argument, you are completely wrong. In the spirit of enlightening our misguided fellow players, let me provide you with a helpful link: Eve New Citizens Q&A
Umm, no, that's for noobs as you might gather from the name of it. |
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Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
270
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:28:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:Moneta Curran wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote: ..and the General Discussion is the place to come and ask simple questions like this. Ehm, no.. it's not.. and since this is the cornerstone of your argument, you are completely wrong. In the spirit of enlightening our misguided fellow players, let me provide you with a helpful link: Eve New Citizens Q&A Umm, no, that's for noobs as you might gather from the name of it.
Yes...., so perfectly suitable for people who aren't familiar with patch notes. Noobs. |
Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
270
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:29:00 -
[192] - Quote
double post removed |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2636
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:35:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone.
I want to officially clarify that the fact that drone attributes are not properly displaying in show info is a bug and that your Omnis are in fact applying their bonuses correctly. The issue with show info is a long standing bug that has to do with the way the client displays attributes on items that aren't your ship (or directly fitted to your ship). We're looking into getting it fixed, but it's not a simple issue.
As for the discussion on the strength of Sentry drones after this change, I will reiterate what I've said before. We don't want to make Sentries just like other weapons, the fact that they are very distinct with their own strengths, weaknesses and tactics is part of what makes them valuable to the game. We do always want to ensure that they have excellent strengths to make up for their special weaknesses. But the honest truth is that Sentries were too good relative to other comparable weapons. Their damage envelope (the combination of range, damage and tracking) is very good and was one of several contributing factors that were leading to Sentries becoming overly dominant in almost all areas of EVE. Like I said in the original post, the fact that these changes reduce the power of Omnis is completely intentional. Nerfing the base stats of sentries while leaving the incredibly effective Omnis was not going to be the best way to approach the issue, as that would leave us in a place where Sentries would have been underpowered when no Omnis are fitted and overpowered when people stack lots of them. We totally understand that bringing Omnidirectionals in line was a bitter pill to swallow for people who use Sentries a lot, but we are confident that the game is in a better place with these changes then it would be without them.
There are obviously lots of other changes we need to make to drones and the ships that use them, but the best way to approach these kinds of issues is in an iterative manner, making focused changes and watching the results carefully.
We also are aware that the Rattlesnake isn't in quite as strong of a place as many other Pirate BS right now, and that is high on our agenda at the moment.
So yes, there has been a nerf. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3143
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:46:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:Moneta Curran wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote: ..and the General Discussion is the place to come and ask simple questions like this. Ehm, no.. it's not.. and since this is the cornerstone of your argument, you are completely wrong. In the spirit of enlightening our misguided fellow players, let me provide you with a helpful link: Eve New Citizens Q&A Umm, no, that's for noobs as you might gather from the name of it. As an Eve New Citizens Q&A forum regular, I can assure you that account age and experience matters not to asking questions there. It is a troll-free zone (though sometimes they sneak in for a drive-by) filled with people that try to help and answer all questions.
However, anything ship related really belongs in Ships & Modules.
I do recommend avoiding whines / tirades about broken mechanics, and instead phrasing the same message as "Did X change?" or "What am I missing?" or "How do I best accomplish X now?" and so forth. |
Winchester Steele
322
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Posted - 2014.02.05 02:08:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:MaligoLibens wrote:don't use a myrmidon. it is not a viable ship anymore. This is sad but true. I used to run L4s in a Myrmidon. Did it for over a year, loved every moment of it. Then came the first "drone hate" patch. Heavy drones became the laughing stock of EvE and your lights & mediums draw so much aggro that actually tanking your ship became pointless, because the rats never actually fired at you, just your drones. Traded up to a Gila, then a Rattlesnake, basically as an excuse to switch to sentries. At least those I know I can recall in time when twenty rats decide to alpha my drones one second after launch. But that wasn't good enough, obviously, because now they've nerfed all the sentries as well. Which comes as a total surprise to exactly no drone boat user ever. Good thing I still have mining to fall back on for my EvE excitement, eh?
For some reason I feel as though all your posts should be read in Mort Goldman's voice. Do you ever do anything besides cry?
At least Dinsdale brings tinfoil to the party.
"Please don't spit in my eggs, please don't spit in my eggs, please don't spit in my eggs."
... |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
269
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Posted - 2014.02.05 03:00:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:
So yes, there has been a nerf.
No one ever said otherwise.
Its a significant nerf for Rattlers/Geddons/Phoons etc using Garde.
However hull bonused ships like the Domi and Ishtar, especially if fighting from range with bouncers, are far less effected.
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Signal11th
Northern Coalition.
1277
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Posted - 2014.02.05 10:07:00 -
[197] - Quote
As usual CCP required fix to stop abuse of a certain mechanic effects everyone else apart from the people whom the fix was needed for. Powered by-áreaTh-áFilter V1.23 "All posts by this pilot are personal held views and not representitive of-áany-ácorp or alliance I am currently a member of. Like I'd give a-ásh*t anyway. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster. |
Layla Firoue
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2014.02.05 12:23:00 -
[198] - Quote
Signal11th wrote:As usual CCP required fix to stop abuse of a certain mechanic effects everyone else apart from the people whom the fix was needed for.
It-¦s a nerf to the slow cats doctrine without involving mass Domi fleets too much exactly what the CFC wanted. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1202
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Posted - 2014.02.05 13:54:00 -
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MaligoLibens wrote:don't use a myrmidon. it is not a viable ship anymore.
yeah .. it stopped being an excellent drone boat with the addition of the bandwidth mechanism now it's just mediocre
like all nerfed things, it was overdone in the 1st instance |
Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
74
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Posted - 2014.02.05 14:57:00 -
[200] - Quote
I use sentries exclusively the nerf mainly makes the use of sentries more active because u have to overheat and swap scripts other than that the actual nerf if u are using them right is not to bad |
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2204
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:01:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone.
I want to officially clarify that the fact that drone attributes are not properly displaying in show info is a bug and that your Omnis are in fact applying their bonuses correctly. The issue with show info is a long standing bug that has to do with the way the client displays attributes on items that aren't your ship (or directly fitted to your ship). We're looking into getting it fixed, but it's not a simple issue.
As for the discussion on the strength of Sentry drones after this change, I will reiterate what I've said before. We don't want to make Sentries just like other weapons, the fact that they are very distinct with their own strengths, weaknesses and tactics is part of what makes them valuable to the game. We do always want to ensure that they have excellent strengths to make up for their special weaknesses. But the honest truth is that Sentries were too good relative to other comparable weapons. Their damage envelope (the combination of range, damage and tracking) is very good and was one of several contributing factors that were leading to Sentries becoming overly dominant in almost all areas of EVE. Like I said in the original post, the fact that these changes reduce the power of Omnis is completely intentional. Nerfing the base stats of sentries while leaving the incredibly effective Omnis was not going to be the best way to approach the issue, as that would leave us in a place where Sentries would have been underpowered when no Omnis are fitted and overpowered when people stack lots of them. We totally understand that bringing Omnidirectionals in line was a bitter pill to swallow for people who use Sentries a lot, but we are confident that the game is in a better place with these changes then it would be without them.
There are obviously lots of other changes we need to make to drones and the ships that use them, but the best way to approach these kinds of issues is in an iterative manner, making focused changes and watching the results carefully.
We also are aware that the Rattlesnake isn't in quite as strong of a place as many other Pirate BS right now, and that is high on our agenda at the moment. So yes, there has been a nerf.
And yes, the dev in question has zero clue about "balancing" weapon systems, and thinks wiping out the effectiveness of a weapon system that people throw millions of SP into and buy billions of ISK of ships dedicated to using that weapon system, all to cater to a vocal whiny bunch of null sec blobbers, is perfectly reasonable. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Cyrek Ohaya
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:44:00 -
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Launcher/Turret projection has been nerfed in the past, and now sentry drones, and I don't think now it isn't the time to play victim, still, makes me wonder if CCP wants to tone down general damage projection but keep all EWAR ranges untouched.
This drone update might have come a little too harsh but don't you think 179km Wardens 3 omnis without rigs sounded a lot nasty? |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2207
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:18:00 -
[203] - Quote
Cyrek Ohaya wrote:Launcher/Turret projection has been nerfed in the past, and now sentry drones, and I don't think now it isn't the time to play victim, still, makes me wonder if CCP wants to tone down general damage projection but keep all EWAR ranges untouched.
This drone update might have come a little too harsh but don't you think 179km Wardens 3 omnis without rigs sounded a lot nasty?
You can pick an choose your examples all day. Don't you think rails at 200 km is a bit nasty? Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
506
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:24:00 -
[204] - Quote
Katran Luftschreck wrote:I suppose asking for a refund on all my sentry drone SP so I can put it into basic gunnery is out of the question?
So what you're saying is you trained the minimum skills to use the ship, modules, and drones, did not train support skills, and expect said equipment to function as well as before after they are properly balanced.
Train the damn support skills. Free Ripley Weaver! |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2207
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:27:00 -
[205] - Quote
Soldarius wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:I suppose asking for a refund on all my sentry drone SP so I can put it into basic gunnery is out of the question? So what you're saying is you trained the minimum skills to use the ship, modules, and drones, did not train support skills, and expect said equipment to function as well as before after they are properly balanced. Train the damn support skills.
I have 121 M SP. You can see all my skills on Chribba's Eveboard. My ship support skills are PERFECT, as in all 5's.
And yes, I would indeed like the millions of SP I put into drones back to apply to other ships, now that drones are utterly useless in a PvE environment. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4584
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:28:00 -
[206] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone.
I want to officially clarify that the fact that drone attributes are not properly displaying in show info is a bug and that your Omnis are in fact applying their bonuses correctly. The issue with show info is a long standing bug that has to do with the way the client displays attributes on items that aren't your ship (or directly fitted to your ship). We're looking into getting it fixed, but it's not a simple issue.
As for the discussion on the strength of Sentry drones after this change, I will reiterate what I've said before. We don't want to make Sentries just like other weapons, the fact that they are very distinct with their own strengths, weaknesses and tactics is part of what makes them valuable to the game. We do always want to ensure that they have excellent strengths to make up for their special weaknesses. But the honest truth is that Sentries were too good relative to other comparable weapons. Their damage envelope (the combination of range, damage and tracking) is very good and was one of several contributing factors that were leading to Sentries becoming overly dominant in almost all areas of EVE. Like I said in the original post, the fact that these changes reduce the power of Omnis is completely intentional. Nerfing the base stats of sentries while leaving the incredibly effective Omnis was not going to be the best way to approach the issue, as that would leave us in a place where Sentries would have been underpowered when no Omnis are fitted and overpowered when people stack lots of them. We totally understand that bringing Omnidirectionals in line was a bitter pill to swallow for people who use Sentries a lot, but we are confident that the game is in a better place with these changes then it would be without them.
There are obviously lots of other changes we need to make to drones and the ships that use them, but the best way to approach these kinds of issues is in an iterative manner, making focused changes and watching the results carefully.
We also are aware that the Rattlesnake isn't in quite as strong of a place as many other Pirate BS right now, and that is high on our agenda at the moment. So yes, there has been a nerf. And yes, the dev in question has zero clue about "balancing" weapon systems, and thinks wiping out the effectiveness of a weapon system that people throw millions of SP into and buy billions of ISK of ships dedicated to using that weapon system, all to cater to a vocal whiny bunch of null sec blobbers, is perfectly reasonable.
We can talk about your tinfoil-hattery all day and night.
But it pales in comparison to the rank ignorance and foolishness one would have to have in order to believe that insulting game developers is the best way to get that same developer to listen to you.
For years you've been doing this, and rather than create a following that could exert pressure (that could lead to change you want) you've alienated every single possible ally you could have had and have actually made it EASIER for the people you spew hate at to succeed. There is nothing more destructive to the Dinsdale worldview than a Dinsdale post lol.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2214
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Posted - 2014.02.06 00:46:00 -
[207] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone.
I want to officially clarify that the fact that drone attributes are not properly displaying in show info is a bug and that your Omnis are in fact applying their bonuses correctly. The issue with show info is a long standing bug that has to do with the way the client displays attributes on items that aren't your ship (or directly fitted to your ship). We're looking into getting it fixed, but it's not a simple issue.
As for the discussion on the strength of Sentry drones after this change, I will reiterate what I've said before. We don't want to make Sentries just like other weapons, the fact that they are very distinct with their own strengths, weaknesses and tactics is part of what makes them valuable to the game. We do always want to ensure that they have excellent strengths to make up for their special weaknesses. But the honest truth is that Sentries were too good relative to other comparable weapons. Their damage envelope (the combination of range, damage and tracking) is very good and was one of several contributing factors that were leading to Sentries becoming overly dominant in almost all areas of EVE. Like I said in the original post, the fact that these changes reduce the power of Omnis is completely intentional. Nerfing the base stats of sentries while leaving the incredibly effective Omnis was not going to be the best way to approach the issue, as that would leave us in a place where Sentries would have been underpowered when no Omnis are fitted and overpowered when people stack lots of them. We totally understand that bringing Omnidirectionals in line was a bitter pill to swallow for people who use Sentries a lot, but we are confident that the game is in a better place with these changes then it would be without them.
There are obviously lots of other changes we need to make to drones and the ships that use them, but the best way to approach these kinds of issues is in an iterative manner, making focused changes and watching the results carefully.
We also are aware that the Rattlesnake isn't in quite as strong of a place as many other Pirate BS right now, and that is high on our agenda at the moment. So yes, there has been a nerf. And yes, the dev in question has zero clue about "balancing" weapon systems, and thinks wiping out the effectiveness of a weapon system that people throw millions of SP into and buy billions of ISK of ships dedicated to using that weapon system, all to cater to a vocal whiny bunch of null sec blobbers, is perfectly reasonable. We can talk about your tinfoil-hattery all day and night. But it pales in comparison to the rank ignorance and foolishness one would have to have in order to believe that insulting game developers is the best way to get that same developer to listen to you. For years you've been doing this, and rather than create a following that could exert pressure (that could lead to change you want) you've alienated every single possible ally you could have had and have actually made it EASIER for the people you spew hate at to succeed. There is nothing more destructive to the Dinsdale worldview than a Dinsdale post lol.
Yeah, I have zero respect for most of the dev's, and the reasons are well-known and documented. But perhaps I scream at them because normal discourse has utterly failed in the past.
The meta-game is rigged. That is as clear as anything in the world of Eve. So I post because clearly it incites people like you, which gives me some modicum of pleasure. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19155
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Posted - 2014.02.06 00:55:00 -
[208] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And yes, the dev in question has zero clue about "balancing" weapon systems, and thinks wiping out the effectiveness of a weapon system that people throw millions of SP into and buy billions of ISK of ships dedicated to using that weapon system, all to cater to a vocal whiny bunch of null sec blobbers, is perfectly reasonable. When has this ever happened?
Quote:The meta-game is rigged. That is as clear as anything in the world of Eve. Which meta-game are you talking about, and how is it rigged? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
699
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:07:00 -
[209] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Yeah, I have zero respect for most of the dev's, and the reasons are well-known and documented. But perhaps I scream at them because normal discourse has utterly failed in the past.
The meta-game is rigged. That is as clear as anything in the world of Eve. So I post because clearly it incites people like you, which gives me some modicum of pleasure.
Except that people that previously might have engaged with you, now write it off as dinsdaletinfoil, a particularly thick and crunchy type of tinfoil used for the construction of particularly radiowave resistant hats and full body suits.
In any case, I have been using my proteus drone fit after the nerf, if you actually compare a myrmidon and a drone fit proteus, you'll see they are in fact very similar. (bandwidth, bonuses, gunpower is quite close etc).
With T2 omnis, I had to move the proteus to 40 km instead of 45 km to kill the station at the end of the maze, and since I was testing stuff, I killed dewak Humphries with garde IIs and spike m, and had to fly back about 6km to make Humphries fly into optimal of the drones since he orbits at 45.
The only problem I see is that the myrm can't carry sufficient drones at present, and therefore is fussily overreliant on mobile depots and its cargo to carry a spare drone to switch to a racial set to manage the shortened optimal in the more common way of switching drones (rather than rolling back as I did - which is feasible 2 gates deep in piths penal, but not so much in an anomaly).
As far as the metagame goes, I'll only ever say one thing to that, and that is moongoo nerf, which was a great thing for null generally and not done with respect to doing the CFC any favours. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:20:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone.
I want to officially clarify that the fact that drone attributes are not properly displaying in show info is a bug and that your Omnis are in fact applying their bonuses correctly. The issue with show info is a long standing bug that has to do with the way the client displays attributes on items that aren't your ship (or directly fitted to your ship). We're looking into getting it fixed, but it's not a simple issue.
As for the discussion on the strength of Sentry drones after this change, I will reiterate what I've said before. We don't want to make Sentries just like other weapons, the fact that they are very distinct with their own strengths, weaknesses and tactics is part of what makes them valuable to the game. We do always want to ensure that they have excellent strengths to make up for their special weaknesses. But the honest truth is that Sentries were too good relative to other comparable weapons. Their damage envelope (the combination of range, damage and tracking) is very good and was one of several contributing factors that were leading to Sentries becoming overly dominant in almost all areas of EVE. Like I said in the original post, the fact that these changes reduce the power of Omnis is completely intentional. Nerfing the base stats of sentries while leaving the incredibly effective Omnis was not going to be the best way to approach the issue, as that would leave us in a place where Sentries would have been underpowered when no Omnis are fitted and overpowered when people stack lots of them. We totally understand that bringing Omnidirectionals in line was a bitter pill to swallow for people who use Sentries a lot, but we are confident that the game is in a better place with these changes then it would be without them.
There are obviously lots of other changes we need to make to drones and the ships that use them, but the best way to approach these kinds of issues is in an iterative manner, making focused changes and watching the results carefully.
We also are aware that the Rattlesnake isn't in quite as strong of a place as many other Pirate BS right now, and that is high on our agenda at the moment.
Just for grins.
1) "We want drones to be different"......obviously why they mirrored Omni's off of Tracking Computers 2) Rattler is better than that hunk of crap Nestor.
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