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Veritaal
Veri-Tech Tax Haven
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Posted - 2014.01.29 20:08:00 -
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So, I'm considering changing up my mission ships, and I'm looking for opinions on what I should upgrade to. However, pretty much any upgrade involves gritting my teeth to get a racial BS skill to V and AWU V.
I'm running SOE missions, so I'll be going up against pretty much any faction.
Right now both characters are in cruise CNRs.
I'm thinking Golem/Kronos. Or maybe 2 Vindicators (for the sexayness). |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1095
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Posted - 2014.01.29 22:04:00 -
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Golem/kronos is probably going to be a lot of micro management, the kronos can one/two shot everything cruiser down at decent range, so it needs more or less constant attention until it's only battleships left, but even battleships die fast if they get in void/anti range.
I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Qalix
Long Jump.
63
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Posted - 2014.01.29 22:32:00 -
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Stick with what you have. It's plenty good for what you're doing. Use the ISK to get yourself ready to do something more interesting and exciting. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1447
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Posted - 2014.01.29 22:47:00 -
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gevlon had a pretty hilarious pre-rubicon guardian mwd-kronos fit that basically had infinite capacitor and armor.
There's also domi + domi, sin + sin, tengu + tengu, and ishtar + ishtar. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1095
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Posted - 2014.01.30 06:48:00 -
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Batelle wrote:gevlon had a pretty hilarious pre-rubicon guardian mwd-kronos fit that basically had infinite capacitor and armor.
Considering the changes to marauders this is really not a good idea, you can't remote rep a marauder in bastion mode and there is no point in bringing a marauder unless you plan on using bastion mode. If you want to use a remote rep setup, you want to bring a faction battleship.
Batelle wrote:There's also domi + domi, sin + sin, tengu + tengu, and ishtar + ishtar.
Dual sin is just a awful idea, it's the most expensive drone boat and one of the worst in pve. Dual ishtar can be good if you benefit from resist bonus, but it's not as good a dual domi.
Dual domi is the only real choice if you plan on using drone boats, set them up to run remote cap and rep and you have a very good setup for level 4 missions.
I guess dual tengu is viable in level 4 missions, i wouldn't use it but that personal opinion. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Janeway84
Aliastra Gallente Federation
74
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Posted - 2014.01.30 12:11:00 -
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Sentry domi and loki with webs could be useful since drone changes them sentries need all the hlep they can have for hitting them targets better
For missions with lots of battleships, 2 x any battleship probably works :)
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Cypher Decypher
Flowery Twats
26
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Posted - 2014.01.30 14:30:00 -
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I've been using dual rr Domis to run SoE missions. Until the ODL nerf they were unquestionably the best combination for any mission.
Since the patch I haven't bothered even taking them out. I've seen the stats and read other Domi fliers' reports and they're not pretty.
So like you I'm umming & aahing over what to use next. Not a missile boat combo though. I can't stand 'em
PS No, Remote TL's don't work with drones. Only guns. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1816
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Posted - 2014.01.30 14:50:00 -
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dexington wrote:Batelle wrote:gevlon had a pretty hilarious pre-rubicon guardian mwd-kronos fit that basically had infinite capacitor and armor. Considering the changes to marauders this is really not a good idea, [...]
it wasn't a good idea before marauder changes either.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
stoicfaux
3977
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Posted - 2014.01.30 15:09:00 -
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dexington wrote: Considering the changes to marauders this is really not a good idea, you can't remote rep a marauder in bastion mode and there is no point in bringing a marauder unless you plan on using bastion mode. If you want to use a remote rep setup, you want to bring a faction battleship.
Slow down there, Sparky. Bastion is a cute thing to have; it is not a critical requirement.
Bastion provides ridiculous tanking ability, which simply lets you under-fit your tank even more. A marauder just doesn't need a big tank that often in level 4s. If you're running two ships, then you'll need even less tank. So the main reason to use Bastion in a two man team is if a gank squad jumps you or if something goes terribly wrong in regards to triggers on a few missions/pockets.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1458
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Posted - 2014.01.30 15:13:00 -
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dexington wrote:Batelle wrote:gevlon had a pretty hilarious pre-rubicon guardian mwd-kronos fit that basically had infinite capacitor and armor. Considering the changes to marauders this is really not a good idea, you can't remote rep a marauder in bastion mode and there is no point in bringing a marauder unless you plan on using bastion mode. If you want to use a remote rep setup, you want to bring a faction battleship.
faction battleships don't have 50% ammo savings, huge cargoholds, or long-range tractor beams. Its a pre-rubicon setup, but thats irrelevant. Still does what its supposed to, which is kill stuff, not be a gank target, loot and salvage, be massively overtanked, and pay virtually zero attention to the second account. I'm aware its rather unorthodox.
dexington wrote:Batelle wrote:There's also domi + domi, sin + sin, tengu + tengu, and ishtar + ishtar. Dual sin is just a awful idea, it's the most expensive drone boat and one of the worst in pve. Dual ishtar can be good if you benefit from resist bonus, but it's not as good a dual domi. Dual domi is the only real choice if you plan on using drone boats, set them up to run remote cap and rep and you have a very good setup for level 4 missions. I guess dual tengu is viable in level 4 missions, i wouldn't use it but that personal opinion.
sin can blops jump. Dual sin is the dream team for nullsec plexes. Ishtar and tengu are also pretty good for that (i do ishtar + tengu often, which takes some effort). Tengu is the complete package, excelling in everything except raw dps, so getting two helps. Dual Domi works pretty much everywhere.
I know it was a rather unorthodox response, given the OP. But those are some of MY carebearing dream teams. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
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dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1097
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Posted - 2014.01.30 15:54:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:dexington wrote: Considering the changes to marauders this is really not a good idea, you can't remote rep a marauder in bastion mode and there is no point in bringing a marauder unless you plan on using bastion mode. If you want to use a remote rep setup, you want to bring a faction battleship.
Slow down there, Sparky. Bastion is a cute thing to have; it is not a critical requirement. Bastion provides ridiculous tanking ability, which simply lets you under-fit your tank even more. A marauder just doesn't need a big tank that often in level 4s. If you're running two ships, then you'll need even less tank. So the main reason to use Bastion in a two man team is if a gank squad jumps you or if something goes terribly wrong in regards to triggers on a few missions/pockets.
Are you arguing that it's better to use a kronos without bastion mode, then a vindicator? I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1097
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Posted - 2014.01.30 16:10:00 -
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Batelle wrote:faction battleships don't have 50% ammo savings, huge cargoholds, or long-range tractor beams. Its a pre-rubicon setup, but thats irrelevant. Still does what its supposed to, which is kill stuff, not be a gank target, loot and salvage, be massively overtanked, and pay virtually zero attention to the second account.
I'm not saying marauders are bad, just that they don't work very well with remote support anymore.
Batelle wrote:sin can blops jump. Dual sin is the dream team for nullsec plexes. Ishtar and tengu are also pretty good for that (i do ishtar + tengu often, which takes some effort). Tengu is the complete package, excelling in everything except raw dps, so getting two helps. Dual Domi works pretty much everywhere.
I know it was a rather unorthodox response, given the OP. But those are some of MY carebearing dream teams.
I was convinced the OP was asking about missions in hi-sec, and the domi is just better then the sin in hi-sec.
Whether or not to use T2/T3 crusier for level 4 missions is a personal choice, there are pros and cons to using them and there efficiency varies from mission to mission.
I personally don't think it would run with two ishtar, simple because i normally chat or watch movies while doing missions, so i prefer ships with more buffer tank then cruisers. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1458
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Posted - 2014.01.30 16:22:00 -
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dexington wrote: Are you arguing that it's better to use a kronos without bastion mode, then a vindicator?
Depends on how you judge the relative worth of the advantages a non-bastioned kronos has over a Vindicator. Here they are for reference, as there are many.
37.5% better repping Improved kinetic/therm resistances higher scan res, significantly higher lock range, and max locked targets Better capacitor 50% falloff bonus 10% faster warp speed (2au/s vs 2.2au/s) Tractor beam bonus FOUR utility highslots twice the cargohold -50% cap use from guns (adds up to a lot) -50% ammo use MJD bonus
Now, that said, if you're going for the buddy-guardian route, the only real reason to use a kronos over an armor vindi is the looting capability and the falloff bonus. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Ace Echo
The Shadow Raiders Fleet Coordination Coalition
50
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Posted - 2014.01.30 16:23:00 -
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dexington wrote:[quote=Batelle] I personally don't think it would run with two ishtar, simple because i normally chat or watch movies while doing missions, so i prefer ships with more buffer tank then cruisers.
Not to mention MJDs. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1097
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Posted - 2014.01.30 18:38:00 -
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Batelle wrote:dexington wrote:Are you arguing that it's better to use a kronos without bastion mode, then a vindicator? Depends on how you judge the relative worth of the advantages a non-bastioned kronos has over a Vindicator.
We are talking about missions, and it boils down to isk/hr, and there is just no way a kronos without bastion mode is going to get close to performing as well as a vindicator. You can find all the points where the kronos has an advantage, it's never going to beat the fact that the vindicator has a lot more dps and better mobility. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1470
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Posted - 2014.01.30 18:48:00 -
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dexington wrote:Batelle wrote:dexington wrote:Are you arguing that it's better to use a kronos without bastion mode, then a vindicator? Depends on how you judge the relative worth of the advantages a non-bastioned kronos has over a Vindicator. We are talking about missions, and it boils down to isk/hr, and there is just no way a kronos without bastion mode is going to get close to performing as well as a vindicator. You can find all the points where the kronos has an advantage, it's never going to beat the fact that the vindicator has a lot more dps and better mobility.
And how exactly is adding bastion mode going to help with either of those two things? "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3132
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Posted - 2014.01.30 20:02:00 -
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I'm currently using a Vargur and two sentry Rattlesnakes. The Rattlesnakes do cap transfer and can rep drone armor and shield. |
Mavis O'Day
Fractal Multiversity Security Division
2
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Posted - 2014.02.02 00:21:00 -
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Golem + Nightmare > everything else. Or RNI + Navy Apoc as low-skill alternative. |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
891
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Posted - 2014.02.02 01:59:00 -
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I run mission in all factions space. And as of yet I haven't found a mission that my two Auto-cannon Machs doing 1500dps each, or two Arty Machs doing 1100dps each cant finish in under 15 minutes; Most mission taking considerably less.
Best Tank, Gank Tank.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Venorati
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.02.02 02:48:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:I run mission in all factions space. And as of yet I haven't found a mission that my two Auto-cannon Machs doing 1500dps each, or two Arty Machs doing 1100dps each cant finish in under 15 minutes; Most mission taking considerably less.
Best Tank, Gank Tank.
1500 dps mach? Could I see that fit? |
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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
904
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Posted - 2014.02.02 03:17:00 -
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Sure,
[Machariel, Missions]
7x 800mm Repeating Cannon II (Hail L) Automated Targeting Unit I
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Gist X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive Federation Navy Tracking Computer (Optimal Range Script) Or SeBo for speedy locks
4x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer 2x Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Damage Control II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Large Core Defense Field Extender II
4x Garde II 5x Warrior II
[Statistics - Goldiiee]
Effective HP: 97,191 (Eve: 84,213) - Cold Effective HP: 108,145 (Eve: 93,472) - Hot Tank Ability: 1,048.07 DPS - Cold Tank Ability: 1,622.62 DPS - Hot Damage Profile -EM: 25.00%, Ex: 25.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 25.00% Shield Resists - EM: 67.66%, Ex: 76.76%, Ki: 72.11%, Th: 74.12% - Cold Shield Resists - EM: 73.36%, Ex: 80.86%, Ki: 77.03%, Th: 78.69% - Hot Speed; 1453.15 m/s Capacitor (Lasts 3m 36s)
Volley Damage: 5,887.17 (Hot) 5224.50 (Cold) DPS: 1,800.79 (Hot) 1,597.21 (Cold)
RF-EMP, RF-Fusion, RF-Phased Plasma; 1683.63 (Hot) 1456.20 (Cold)
[Implants - Max Mach]
Slot 6: Inherent Implants 'Squire' Engineering EG-606 (For fitting artillery) Slot 7: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Motion Prediction MR-706 Slot 8: Speed or Medium Guns implant Slot 9: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-906 Slot 10: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Large Projectile Turret LP-1006
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Fozzy Dorsai
Friendly but Irritating
36
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Posted - 2014.02.04 23:41:00 -
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Consider the CNR Tengu combination. It will make effective use of your missile skills. As you know and have experienced the battleship takes out battleships really well. And with the smaller ships the Tengu will shine and if there's none left it is still a good battleship killer. It is also handy for when you need to get something faraway as it will get there and back before your battleship even gets halfway there. |
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