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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2006.04.18 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Juan Andalusian Minnie has the best bonus for how carriers are supposed to be used.
No i don't mean from a safespot.
please, present something to back the frak up your statements.
If you feel its best bonus, while we have done some numbers and flyed the thing in action, dont make your statment anything else but flaimbait.
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2006.04.18 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Xthril Ranger
Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Also, all sofar manufacored motherships are Nyxes... i wonder why
I bet it got something to do with that gallente dreadnought pilots is those with the least amount of skill training to do before jumping into a carrier. They have all the skills required to fly capital ships and use tech 2 drones. They just needed some leadership skills and was good to go. I still think most carrier pilots will choose gallente though.
To me it look like the minmatar carrier is made to not be primary and caldari/amarr is made to be tankable (and the thanatos to assign drones from afar ).
If the nidhoggur is not primary 33% more repaired is good. I am not the most experienced player here , but to me it looks like it might work in small scale fights. Engage the enemy at your own terms (isnt that the minmatar way?) and keep everyone in your gang alive.
The caldari and amarr is more for when you can't dictate when and how the fight is done and you need to struggle to keep these centerpieces alive.
Right now I tend to think that most carrier pilots use their ship from safespot , making thanatos the natural choice.
Small scale fights (5 or less BS + some support) = Thanathos can own em solo
Medium scale fights (10+ Bs + equal amount of support) = Thanathos whuld be beter than niddhoggur. Dropping enemy BS 50% faster removes need for repairing, and thanathos can still remote repair.
LArge scale battles (sheadload of stuff) = you cant even say "repair me" in TS, no one cares. LAg LAg LAg
Honestly, only plase where remote repairing workked is in strikly pre determined situation; like caldari championship
Not normal everyday PVP.
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Vathar
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Posted - 2006.04.18 10:55:00 -
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It's been posted before, but the repair time is NOT the deciding factor when it comes to repairing non capital ship ... locking time is much longer, which means that you don't gain much ... ____________
Space Shaman
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Aloysius Knight
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Posted - 2006.04.18 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Vathar It's been posted before, but the repair time is NOT the deciding factor when it comes to repairing non capital ship ... locking time is much longer, which means that you don't gain much ...
well yes and no
its the mix of locking time AND the arrays only working after the cycle
im not asking for a uber bonus that makes the minmatar carrier the 1win button
i just want to have a reson why i would want to fly it over they other carriers besides the fact its teh sex
10% reduction to cap use per lvl for armour and shield arrays combined with the changing of how arrays work, making them start at the begining of there cycle and having instalock for gangmates
or making it 5%-10% to fighter tracking per lvl
if one of them all happend, THEN you would have a carrier, not that current craptastic sh!tbox we have now
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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2006.04.18 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jurushy
well i am a mine carrier pilot an the specel bonus sux really :/
my opinion is why dont give any carrier ther racial figter as bonus for 5% or 10% (remember fighter are not really drones becouse Drones are unmanned and fighter have pilotes (look at the firebolg*****pit) which has famalies and childrends and so on )
normally carrier are use at a safe point not direckt in battle (first target carrier from 20-30 BS will brack every tank) they delegate the fighter to gangmates and repair ships which could warp out of the fight
but my favorit bonus for the mine carrier would be
CAN USE STARGATS LIKE NON CAPITAL SHIPS
or
can fit one XL turret per level
I would love to sue stargates and save all that fuel
After all the Charon has a mas off 1200000000 kg where as the Nidhoggur Has a mass off 922500000 kg which is a lot smaller.
So I see no reason to not let them use gates, I know previousley, devs have stated that they would only be aloud in to 05+ if the ability to give away controle of fighters was removed in high sec as there was no way for concord to responed to suside kestrals killing with fleets of remote figters.
The carriers are smaller by far than frighters so saying they are to big is just nonsense really. ----------------------------------------------
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.04.18 15:53:00 -
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HUm use stargates would pretty cool ,it would make the minie carrier a fast ,flexible carrier .
Before someone says that they would become too overepowered,don¦t ,cause the mine carrier as a crappy bonus and half of the DPS :)
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2006.04.18 15:57:00 -
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whuld fit in the mobility and gurellia warefare doctrine...
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.04.18 17:27:00 -
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Minies rise up and try to win the war for the carriers bonus.
This thread shall not die .
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.04.18 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Juan Andalusian Minnie has the best bonus for how carriers are supposed to be used.
No i don't mean from a safespot.
please, present something to back the frak up your statements.
If you feel its best bonus, while we have done some numbers and flyed the thing in action, dont make your statment anything else but flaimbait.
What makes anything you say less frak then ours? Nothing... so quit refuting counter arguments and oppinions with your own absoultes and outlook of EVE.
Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Selak Zorander
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Posted - 2006.04.18 18:11:00 -
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I have to admit that as a Nidhoggur pilot (yes i own it and i have flown it), that bonus means nothing to me.
With a lock time that is slower than just about anything in eve (i can fit three sensor boosters and a pilot in a tech 1 cruiser with no signature analysis skill can lock faster than me), the only place i get enough time to lock any major ship to remote rep it is at a POS or safe spot. Being on the actual battlefield is not the best idea as the thing does not tank all the well.
These are expensive ships and they are new ships. Just like any other new expensive ship, the instant the enemy fleet sees it in space, it will be called primary. Dread pilots would understand that. I can think of only one place to use a carrier that does not involve being at a safe spot or at a friendly POS. The bonus that the minmatar carrier provides could be more useful there provided that the carrier pilot can keep the cap recharge up to make it useful.
As for the suggestions, I think that all carriers should get two 5% combat bonuses. One being +5% to fighter damage, and the other 5% being something that helps along racial lines.
In terms of that the Gallante, Amarr, and Caldari would be set (+5% damage on the gallante one, +5% to armor resists on amarr, and +5% shield resists on Caldari). The issue would be what to give the minmatar carriers as the second 5% bonus. Suggestions of +5% to fighter tracking per lvl or maybe make them unique with a -5% fighter signature resolution per lvl. Obviously whatever the bonus was it can't be too powerful but it should be powerful enough to make the bonus useful.
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Isonkon Serikain
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Posted - 2006.04.18 23:36:00 -
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yet another thread that makes me wish I hadn't strayed into minnie ships.... Ison's notches |
Aleis
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Posted - 2006.04.19 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: Aleis on 19/04/2006 02:01:30 In an enlightened stand point and rational responce.
I agree that the bonus needs to be changed but for a different resone than just "Stop shafting Matari"
Although i don't fly Carriers I do Fly logistics, Both Logistic ships and logistic style set-up on Battleships and below, and all in Minmatr ships.
And there is only one thing that ever makes a difference in this role CAPACITOR In all the ships Battleship, Even in my Logistic ship for me to make use off all it's high slots for Repping I have to Dedicate Every Mid and low slot to further cap modules. and still only using up about half of the high slots for repping.
Cycle time has never been an issue with these setups.
Even if the Matari ship has the cap to sustain the transfers, Remember the other Carriers can also use remote Repairers. So if you talk about two Carriers doing a circle heal so can the others. So ask you self is that 2.5 seconds enough of a difference?
(2.5 seconds at Carrier lvl 5, keep in mind this is a Rank 14 skill. So more realisticly it will be only a 1.5 - 2 second bonus, in actualy practice.)
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2006.04.19 06:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Juan Andalusian Minnie has the best bonus for how carriers are supposed to be used.
No i don't mean from a safespot.
please, present something to back the frak up your statements.
If you feel its best bonus, while we have done some numbers and flyed the thing in action, dont make your statment anything else but flaimbait.
What makes anything you say less frak then ours? Nothing... so quit refuting counter arguments and oppinions with your own absoultes and outlook of EVE.
Because there is abaut every minmatar pilot par some trolls agree with me in here?
There is no smoke without fire, right?
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Aloysius Knight
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Posted - 2006.04.19 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Juan Andalusian Minnie has the best bonus for how carriers are supposed to be used.
No i don't mean from a safespot.
please, present something to back the frak up your statements.
If you feel its best bonus, while we have done some numbers and flyed the thing in action, dont make your statment anything else but flaimbait.
What makes anything you say less frak then ours? Nothing... so quit refuting counter arguments and oppinions with your own absoultes and outlook of EVE.
eh? we tell people the real numbers (please note, % doesn't mean jack crap with out also telling the real numbers as well)
you just flamebait, typhoon threads anyone?
offer constructive counter arrguments to our surjests or STFU TROLL
"so quit refuting counter arguments and oppinions with your own absoultes and outlook of EVE"
Hi pot, im kettle, nice to meet you
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2006.04.19 20:59:00 -
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What is this, somone moan abaut CPU on covert ops, and Tuxford is all over it.
we got 10+ pages of minmatar stuff and its kept ignored. atleast you culd say hi.
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Ecnav
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Posted - 2006.04.19 21:16:00 -
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RABBLE __ _ __ _ __ _ __ _ __ _ __ _ __ _ __ _ __ _ __ I don't have a sig |
Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.04.19 21:46:00 -
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/me is Tux in disguise :
Hello we decided that the minie carrier was an experience so we will give it a sig radius on the figthers have fun .
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Aloysius Knight
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Posted - 2006.04.20 06:36:00 -
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WERE IS THE LOVE CCP!
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.04.20 06:42:00 -
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I don't fly the ship, but I do think they need a better bonus, and I would like a reply from CCP (as well as the poor sobs that fly it) signature removed - please email us if you want to know why - Oldmailman([email protected])
Oldmailman? I want one of the known mods to edit my sig, not some nobody! |
Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.04.20 09:43:00 -
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I feel so leaft out .
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Kedor
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Posted - 2006.04.20 11:51:00 -
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Tuxford mention this thread in here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=326150&page=1#12
Just hang tight, he will look into this somewhere down the road.
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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2006.04.20 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kedor Tuxford mention this thread in here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=326150&page=1#12
Just hang tight, he will look into this somewhere down the road.
Thanks for the link, I guess i can be sort of happy now. ----------------------------------------------
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.04.20 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Juan Andalusian Minnie has the best bonus for how carriers are supposed to be used.
No i don't mean from a safespot.
please, present something to back the frak up your statements.
If you feel its best bonus, while we have done some numbers and flyed the thing in action, dont make your statment anything else but flaimbait.
What makes anything you say less frak then ours? Nothing... so quit refuting counter arguments and oppinions with your own absoultes and outlook of EVE.
Because there is abaut every minmatar pilot par some trolls agree with me in here?
There is no smoke without fire, right?
Been a Minmatar Pilot happily since 2003. So don't kid yourself to think someone who has fought for our ships more than you could ever hope is just trolling for the sake of trolling. I am telling you that other people may play, may eventually play, and combat may change from how YOU play and the people that agree with you play. Your circle of blobs or wolfpacks doesn't == EVE Combat.
That said, I have made it very clear I don't disagree with a bonus being changed. Just how you cry babies go about doing it.
Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Falke Chasseur
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Posted - 2006.04.21 09:28:00 -
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Everyone needs to play nice. Leave the judgement of who is trolling and who is not to CRC, and keep it courteous. I wouldn't temp Tux to use that new nerf-bat of his in a way you might regret ;)
-Falke
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tHe bOmB
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Posted - 2006.06.06 22:03:00 -
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So how long has it been since carriers have been out? And how many people have trained for them? I know of quite a few that fly them alreadyą and its shame that very few ppl will ever consider the minmatar one because of the obvious bonus issue, and that is a shame the devĘs should have been on this right awayą I guess it didnĘt hurt for them to give something that is over powered like the gal fighter bonusą but for some reason giving a total crap bonus wasnĘt eitherą so either it wasnĘt thought out which by now I think it should have beeną and changing drastically either nerfing or unnerfing the minmatar one will sure sture up even more whiningą
I just donĘt see why it hasnĘt been fixed up so that people would say well its been looked into, and at least they have changed it.. and even if its not the best its better then it wasą but as of now nothing has been done yet
Seriously a number of other bonusesą either recharge rate reduction in shields or capą or even reduced % in cap usage would have been a nice optioną a % hp bonus?
And im sure many others have thought out many other optionsą here are a lot of ideas im sure in this and other threads yet nothing really has been talked about or proposed/presented as a major alternative before the players
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.08.18 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight
Originally by: Kedor Tuxford mention this thread in here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=326150&page=1#12
Just hang tight, he will look into this somewhere down the road.
Thanks for the link, I guess i can be sort of happy now.
Can we get an update please dear tux?
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Madboy
Minmatar Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.08.18 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight
Originally by: Kedor Tuxford mention this thread in here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=326150&page=1#12
Just hang tight, he will look into this somewhere down the road.
Thanks for the link, I guess i can be sort of happy now.
Can we get an update please dear tux?
You still haven't trained for a Gal carrier? :P
lol, yeah a update would be nice..
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.08.18 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Madboy
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight
Originally by: Kedor Tuxford mention this thread in here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=326150&page=1#12
Just hang tight, he will look into this somewhere down the road.
Thanks for the link, I guess i can be sort of happy now.
Can we get an update please dear tux?
You still haven't trained for a Gal carrier? :P
lol, yeah a update would be nice..
hehe ;) call me a madman but i'am training for a minie carrier :)
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Wizie
Minmatar Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.04 05:50:00 -
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any changes? ----------------- Sig removed by some noob |
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