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Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:11:00 -
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Updated the SiSi client, clicked on launcher.exe to test it......nothing. It stays in the process list for about a second and then quits again. I have searched for an error log or something similar, but could not find one. I even tried logserver, to no avail....
Please provide me with information as on what I have to do to let YOU know what goes wrong, then I will do so.
WinXP Pro 32 bit, fully up to date. Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Inanna Zuni
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:13:00 -
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**PLEASE** bear in mind that some of us using the Windows client actually have nothing to do with the MS operating system whatsoever but are actually using Linux / Wine. As such, while it is nice to see stuff for the MS-users out there don't presume that the direct-individual access to patches, etc. will ever go away. Patching for linux/wine users cannot be automated and anything which tries to do so without having a [stop] button will be doomed to failure*.
Inanna
(* and drive even more of us away) |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
139
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:18:00 -
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please can we get the option to turn this off when it isnt patching?
also can we get the same option as now not to clean up the instal data, so we can patch multiple clients from the same downloaded data, please CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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Levitikon
Constructive Influence Northern Associates.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:20:00 -
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Lots of this post is written in all-caps, because it's friggin' important.
Ok. Every mmo on market has a launcher. so, nothing special here (funny fact - I considered EVE launcher-less design to be an next gen solution - no crappy extra app needed to run).
That said.
since you're implementing launcher, MAKE SURE TO LEVERAGE EVE'S ADVANTAGES and DO NOT WRITE CODE THAT WILL BE NEVER USED OR APPRECIATED BY 99,99% OF PLAYERBASE (aka. staging). In other words - PLEASE ADD BUILT-IN MULTI-ACCOUNT SUPPORT and preferably multi-character support. Why? Staging is pretty much useless (I know it sounds nice on paper), because there is a very small chance people will spend long enough in character creator to get EVE-proper downloaded and installed in the background. So, in the end, they will be stuck on waiting screen whether you waste precious coding resources or staging, or not. Chances that this feature will actually improve new player retention are pretty damn slim - mostly because waiting for EVE to install is not where churn happens - it's mostly at horrible, Win95 based (CCP words, not mine) user interface that users are subjected to after they log to game proper. So, if you want to improve player retention, this is where you should be focusing all your efforts.
Another obvious problem with staging, is that it will not be used by anyone who already has a character. I can estimate and bet 10B isk to you, that in month time, more than 99,99% player launcher interactions would not use staging.
Instead, focus on strengthening unique points of EVE, and that is: -extremely widespread multiboxing use (WHICH ALREADY GENERATES CRAZY ARPU, AND CAN BE FURTHER IMPROVED) -multicharacter use; no other game puts such emphasis on using alts, and alts are gateway drugs to true multiboxing
Instead of staging (another Incarna, coding resource allocation-wise), give us following features: 1. Ability to select account from launcher. 2. Ability to launch/stage multiple accounts at once. 3. Ability to chose which character to log in. 4. Mixture of the above. 4. Tabbed clients, in longer term (not as a brand new, multi-session capable client that will require full EVE rewrite, just as a way to manage multiple EVE client windows, new UI scaling framework you devblogged about recently will nicely into it)
Make it easy to multibox and encourage people to do so. It will make playerbase happy and will make you much more money than some than staging character creation ever could . |
Malrock
Mea Culpa Enigma
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:49:00 -
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someone has played wow for too much... launcher is pretty much a copy of WOW's launcher....
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Learath
Incendiary Industries
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:49:00 -
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Just FYI, if you're dumb enough to try to do this it'll kill your tq and sisi clients for free. THANKS! |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
32
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:11:00 -
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CCP Mandrake wrote:The launcher will not interfere with your settings. By having two clients in two separate folders you will have two different launchers as well, each starting eve up with that specific client settings as usual. So each client will still have his own settings folder in AppData, even if one of them is in a directory that is just a junction point pointing to the EVE folder containing the launcher?
Also, I'd like to remind you that I am still a fan of the "Clear cache after patching" checkbox or a "clear all cache" button on the launcher. I don't care much which, as long as I won't have to start and restart the client to clear the cache. So if I can do this by accessing settings via the launcher, that's fine too, although the first 2 options would be better IMO. |
M'nu
Autocannons Anonymous
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:11:00 -
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Didnt bother to read the thread, but, what is that ship? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:14:00 -
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M'nu wrote:Didnt bother to read the thread, but, what is that ship? Wyvern, with a Moros in the background. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
TheSmokingHertog
Black Hole INC
3
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:20:00 -
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CCP Topknot wrote:Akara Ito wrote:Please add an option to set a maximum download speed This is already in there.
Good, thats needed over here. |
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M'nu
Autocannons Anonymous
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:M'nu wrote:Didnt bother to read the thread, but, what is that ship? Wyvern, with a Moros in the background.
No, the one in the box on the right hand side, in the devblog.
Looks like a Merlin and a Slasher had sex. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:29:00 -
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M'nu wrote:No, the one in the box on the right left hand side, in the devblog.
Looks like a Merlin and a Slasher had sex. Thats a Templar, the amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers.
That's a Tyrfing, the Minmatar Fighter-Bomber (assuming you're talking about the picture in the blog, not the ones in the right-hand-side column, since those are just randomly picked chronicles). GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
M'nu
Autocannons Anonymous
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:36:00 -
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Tippia wrote:M'nu wrote:No, the one in the box on the right left hand side, in the devblog.
Looks like a Merlin and a Slasher had sex. Thats a Templar, the amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers.That's a Tyrfing, the Minmatar Fighter-Bomber (assuming you're talking about the picture in the blog, not the ones in the right-hand-side column, since those are just randomly picked chronicles).
Damn, I was nerdbonering all over the place thinking it was some new ship, I got my directions all messed. lol Thanks
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Kassasis Dakkstromri
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
98
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:57:00 -
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CCP Cascade wrote:Komen wrote:I would say 'no' but I think I'm outvoted.
I am not for this, except for the part where you say this means it simplifies the task of releasing patches.
For that, I say 'yes'. The rest of the gaudy clutter can kindly go jump into a car crusher. What you are seeing is far from anything final. Can you elaborate a bit rather than saying no? Can you look at it the other way around and ask yourself: "What would I like to see in this window?" What feature would improve things for you?
Can't all this be done and still keep the traditional client window/ splash screen (ie current Incarna)? Keep the cool streamlined and efficient patching stuff on the backside, and just add appropriate progression bar, and buttons to what we have graphically?
We aren't doing away with the way the client looks now are we?? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.11.10 00:16:00 -
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Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:Can't all this be done and still keep the traditional client window/ splash screen (ie current Incarna)? Keep the cool streamlined and efficient patching stuff on the backside, and just add appropriate progression bar, and buttons to what we have graphically? GǪor, just to be completely contrary and to brainfart a bit for a secondGǪ
If you're making a launcher, why are you picking the GÇ£cutoff pointGÇ¥ where you've set it: between patching and log-in? Have you thought about any problems/benefits/possibilities with placing it somewhere else?
For instance, would it be possible to make it so that (and what problems would arise if) the launcher deals with patching and logging in GÇö the main client then deals with character selection and gameplay. That should allow for the oft-requested ability to switch characters without having to relog (or, indeed, any of the things that are now handled by shutting down the client and relogging)GǪ or at least to hide the process: you still technically relog, but what actually happens is that the main client just restarts with the same account info, so you don't have to enter it again. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 01:40:00 -
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I give this idea two thumbs down. I don't see any issue with the current format which seems to work well enough. Frankly I love the fact that I can copy your installation folder anywhere, anytime and run it no problem. Try doing that with other games. Yeah right.
I also don't like a launcher period. (ala WOW) trying to stream in the background. I get a dirty feeling just thinking of that stupid WOW launcher. Besides we have a great format. Launch eve.exe, login, pew pew. Whats better than that?
Please reconsider this decision. I see no upside and only potential for disaster. At the very least make this optional like WIS.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
36
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Posted - 2011.11.10 01:42:00 -
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Probably mentioned on the pages before, but please support multi-client environments in a way that people with several clients on the same machine or in the same house only have to download patches/updates ONCE ONLY with that tool. I hate Windows 7 for that ****.. all my boxes have to DL the stuff on their own and waste bandwidth.
And think about what Tippia said above. Switching characters shouldn't need a restart of the client. If you got problems with LogOffski, try to finally plug that friggin hole in your code. |
La Merovingian
Veto. Veto Corp
7
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Posted - 2011.11.10 01:55:00 -
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Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:Updated the SiSi client, clicked on launcher.exe to test it......nothing. It stays in the process list for about a second and then quits again. I have searched for an error log or something similar, but could not find one. I even tried logserver, to no avail.... Please provide me with information as on what I have to do to let YOU know what goes wrong, then I will do so. WinXP Pro 32 bit, fully up to date.
Same problem here, only Win 7 Ultimate, 64-bit.
Ran SisiLauncher tool to update client. Navigated to the /.../CCP/Singularity folder, and voila, there is the launcher.exe file waiting patiently. I double click.
Nothing.
Checked processes while running it, tried running as shortcut from desktop, tried running pinned on taskbar. Every time, same results. Process pops up. Processes dies.
I'll happily submit a bug report with dxdiag files or whatever else you'd like. Just point me in the right direction. :) |
Sheol Duncan
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
10
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:55:00 -
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My fear is that it's simply adding another button to press every time I want to log into Eve. As I understand it, this launcher would open up, check if there is a patch, download the patch if so, and then toss us onto our regular log in screen with the pretty 3d background. I'd be more than happy to see that screen go in favor of a more simplified page, but I'd rather not have both the current page and a launcher. Is there any way you could add the log in section into the launcher?
If not, I would definitely like to see a way to skip the launcher unless there is another patch, also I'm not interested in passive downloads, as it means another process running in the background of my computer 24/7 for the few times where there actually is an update. |
Beckett Firesnake
Confrerie des ombres Confrerie de la Lumiere Alliance
4
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Posted - 2011.11.10 05:16:00 -
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I have 3 computers. Shall I have to update the three separatly as today or shall we be able to make only one dowload for the three? |
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.10 05:32:00 -
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CCP Cascade wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:CCP Topknot wrote:But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers. Really!? Who are you guys, and where have you been hiding? Hi Lors Dornick, Since we're making a new system for updating, installing and repairing your client, it is important that we get to the bottom of what benefits people see in the current tools that are out there. We all know that people use them differently and see different benefits and drawbacks for them and the question was more to get to the core of the concern rather than guessing. Guessing does not fit in well in a two way communication. The specific concern Tippia raised, has been raised in several replies in this thread and is something we will take a look at together as a team. As mentioned in the dev blog and previous replies, this is an early version where you have the chance to come up with cool new features, ask questions and help form the launcher into something you will be happy to use.
My point was Devs that not only ask for feedback, they act on said feedback and now even start to resolv issues we didn't even know we had ;)
This has escalated beyond refocus on WiS and is starting to look like a race to see who'll get most free beer at fanfest ;)
Not that I'm complaining in any way.
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Nicole Louise
Blue Moon Ventures
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 07:38:00 -
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Would be fantastic to be able to launch all accounts from the one log in screen as someone said earlier. I run three and its not a pain but anything new is great. I embrace change.
Also someone said it would be nice to have either SISI or Tranq log in buttons on this, I like that too. |
DarthMopp
I.D.I.O.T. Sev3rance
26
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Posted - 2011.11.10 07:40:00 -
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*yawns*
Whys everyone coming around the corner with a launcher nowadays?
Doesn-¦t matter. Do we get a EULA for the launcher or will it be covered with the general EULA we already have?
I dont wanna see that thing go boink like that ORIGIN crap that EA distributed with Battlefield 3. Goddamn Datacrawler.
So, whats the further plans with the EvE Launcher? Getting a Steam Clone online? Tough of course i could understand this. Valve is earning loads of money with this crap.
Seriously...only one wish for the launcher: Make it optional!
Thanks :) |
M1AU
Farstriders New Eden Industrie Alliance
27
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:02:00 -
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CCP Topknot wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪsoooo. Manual patching? Question back: What is it that you like about the manual patchers? We would really like to get rid of manual patchers eventually because it would simplify our build process a lot and like Mandrake said, give us a better environment to push out smaller updates. But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers.
As others pointed out, manual patching could be handy especially for Linux / WINE users. There are people out there which simply can't or won't run a MS operating system and as EVE through WINE worked for me the last 4 years, I'd rather like it to stay that way. If the new launcher always works, fine, but any fallback is appreciated. |
TxShadow
Shadows Of The Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:05:00 -
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Crunchmeister wrote:Just make sure that this front end is capable of launching multiple clients. It would be pointless otherwise.
Also, how about letting us log off a character without having to restart the client. Just take us back to the character selection screen and choose a new char on the same account!
Agree here, if this "thing" doesn't fully support MULTIPLE instances from MULTIPLE directories, then make it possible to stay with our old and current system. Because we have during the years learned of ways to adapt this game to work with multiple accounts, due to your official lack of support (witch is ironic with the power of 2 u keep trying to sell). Many have noticed that if u have dual screen, the best way is to have 2 installations with separate cache and settings to keep them on different screens and maybe also graphical setting.
Remember, in many cases there are eve players that have more experience in EVE then GM/CCP employees. We have learned to adapt around your designs for years, and after half a decade, you get used to things "your own way".
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I find your lack of Macintosh support "disturbing". But then, Windows users always need extra hand-holding.
This made me laugh so hard i nearly fell of the chair. Seriously, ANY no-knowledge child can use a Mac, (and they often do), so i agree with you that Mac need this tool, hell i think THEY need it 10x more then any windows user would.
And i am willing to bet that ANY windows user, even the dumbest one, can use a Mac, but put a mac user in front of a PC, and he might not even be able to start it, let alone use it. This is because it takes at least some know how to use a PC, and to be able to really tweak them take some own thinking. A Mac, you cant even tweak anything if you compare. Apple is your daddy telling you what software u can run, and what function you can use, you have to hack tools just to change things.
No please CCP, let these Mac users get this new toy... let them Beta test your software, and see how they like it.
Crunchmeister wrote:Odd. Most Windows users consider Apple products to be geared to the technologically challenged who need training wheels and a hand-holding.
You forgot diaper and bib, but indeed right.
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CowRocket Void
Angelus.Mortis RED.Legion
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:13:00 -
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/me has to write new login scripts now :(. Yeah, I'm that lazy.
All well, adapt and overcome, amirite? |
CowRocket Void
Angelus.Mortis RED.Legion
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:21:00 -
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/me has to write new login scripts now. (Yeah, I'm that lazy)
All well, adapt and overcome, amirite? |
Dorn Val
Defective Clones Sailors of the Sacred Spice
5
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:01:00 -
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Can you set up the launcher so that I can update both my Tranquility and Singularity clients and choose which one I'd like to launch? I think you'd get more peeps on the test server if it were easier to update and log into ;) |
Skinagi
Picon Prayers
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:01:00 -
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Hi I think i've found a bug with the launcher.
It's no big deal, but with this bug the launcher not even launch :D
When Eve is installed in a folder with spaces like "EVE Singularity" the updater of the launcher can't start. Here is the command launch to update the launcher :
C:\Users\Skinagi\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE\d_jeux_eve singularity\updater.exe /path=D:\Jeux\EVE Singularity /url="http://cdn1.eveonline.com/EveOnlineLauncher/launcherupdate_0_21.dat" /execute=launcher.exe
And if you copy/paste that in a command launcher you've got : 'C:\Users\Skinagi\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE\d_jeux_eve' n'est pas reconnu en tant que commande interne ou externe, un programme ex+¬cutable ou un fichier de commandes. (french OS :D)
The command is not recognized.
For the moment I will remove the space of the folder to make the launcher work :D
Hope this helps.
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Skinagi
Picon Prayers
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:09:00 -
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Ouch. It seems that the launcher doesn't really like my Windows 7 64bits ... :-/ |
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