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Richard O'Brian
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Posted - 2006.03.31 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Richard O''Brian on 31/03/2006 12:24:16 it isnt GMT anymore thats for sure.
GMT has had the clocks move forward by one hour so the server shut down here in the UK is actually at 12 instead of 11.
Just thought i would let you know the obvious bug :)
cos im sure everyone in the uk would rather have the old downtime of 11-12 back.
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DOGNOSH
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Posted - 2006.03.31 11:36:00 -
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always do your research before you post something like that ! us in the UK are not the be all and end all of the universe it is a known fact that EVE runs on GMT always !
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Richard O'Brian
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Posted - 2006.03.31 11:40:00 -
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hehe i know we arent the be all but doesnt the change of the time by +1 effect the whole world tho? i could be wrong, eve time aside this means the downtime is in real life an hour later now? i havent been playing for long so i dont know if it has ever changed. since no db activity happens in the down time with any char it wouldnt screw anything up it just means when u log off for dt at 12 when u log back on it will still be 12 if u know what i mean.
not complaining really just seems they have forgotton
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DOGNOSH
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Posted - 2006.03.31 11:41:00 -
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eve time is universal as far as i know someone correct me if i am wrong but 11 am here on eve is 11 am in USA ? which means moving clock forwards and back just because we do it in the UK would be unfair to others
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Richard O'Brian
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Posted - 2006.03.31 11:44:00 -
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i thought GMT was the center tho cos u see time GMT +1 +2 -1 -2 etc so you would assume when we GMT add an hour it means everyone else has to to keep there GMT + 1 + 2 etc other wise grenwich mean time would be GMT +1 right now!? thats just wrong
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Flicky G
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Posted - 2006.03.31 11:45:00 -
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*LOL*
And I was getting all annoyed.
CCP: Could you please put one of your commical error warnings in the "unable to conect to server" popup. One which mildly insults us dozey brits would be warmly welcomed!
have a nice day! Flicky
PS. to the op.... lol.... *juxtaposition* GMT is GMT, the UK are now an hour ahead..... not that GMT has magically changed....woah!....imagine that... :)
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Richard O'Brian
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Posted - 2006.03.31 11:46:00 -
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ah i see what u mean now yeah i know that gmt doesnt change but i thought eve time was GMT +0 or is it just coincidence
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Aelus Cortus
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Posted - 2006.03.31 11:46:00 -
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Well normally Eve time is on GMT (UK) time, but since NOT all parts of the world change their time (US doesn't for example) i guess Eve time doesn't get changed.
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Hunero
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Posted - 2006.03.31 11:48:00 -
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Just to point out that the UK is now on BST (British Summer Time) and no longer on GMT. GMT is universal and doesnt move hence why EVE time wont change either.
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Flicky G
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Posted - 2006.03.31 11:54:00 -
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Richard:
Well. GMT is Greenwich Mean Time, and is universally accepted as the zero point to which all other parts of the world refer to when working out how far round the sun has got at any particular point in time.
So, as people all over the world play eve.... GMT is an obvious choice for eve time. The conincidence is that *you* live in the UK.
Regards :) Flicky
Just to note... thats right the rest of you don't get your lunch break till we say so :)
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DOGNOSH
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Posted - 2006.03.31 12:18:00 -
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i wish GMs would put a sticky in here about this subject as it would really help
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Richard O'Brian
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Posted - 2006.03.31 12:23:00 -
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thanks for clearin that up, that was my only worry was that it was set to the time on my clock in the uk and its currently an hour out so yeah its just all a big coincidence, im just gonna have to wait till they put the clocks back to make it look right hehe. STICKY THIS
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Casabian
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Posted - 2006.03.31 12:52:00 -
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To probably explain this a bit better, i'll use this:
Through the winter, the UK runs on Greenwich Mean TIme (GMT) Through the summer, we run on British Summer Time (BST)
So, the fact is that the Eve time is still on GMT, just us British are strange enough to change over timezones twice a year
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Jadiin
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Posted - 2006.03.31 13:07:00 -
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Not everyone has "daylight savings". I believe Africa doesn't and I think I hear USA doesn't as well and probably many more. Iceland, where CCP is based doesn't have daylight saving hence they stay with GMT and therefore no change in Evetime.
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roeddog
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Posted - 2006.03.31 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jadiin Not everyone has "daylight savings". I believe Africa doesn't and I think I hear USA doesn't as well and probably many more. Iceland, where CCP is based doesn't have daylight saving hence they stay with GMT and therefore no change in Evetime.
Actually, we in the US do have DST. It begins for us on Sunday at approx. 0200 local. What is really strange about it is that some states, like Arizona do not change their clocks, but the Navajo Indian Nation (which encompasses 4 states, AZ, NM, CO, UT) in Arizona does. There is some talk here about making DST a permanent deal.
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Andom
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Posted - 2006.03.31 16:36:00 -
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daylight savings tends to reduce the energy consumption during the summer (people wake up and turn on lights and things later than they would've). Originally it was intended to give farmers 'an extra hour' in which to work. It's an odd concept.
Some states don't have it, and I think most(all?) of canada does.
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Mysterious Stranger
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Posted - 2006.03.31 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Andom daylight savings tends to reduce the energy consumption during the summer (people wake up and turn on lights and things later than they would've). Originally it was intended to give farmers 'an extra hour' in which to work. It's an odd concept.
Some states don't have it, and I think most(all?) of canada does.
Canada does have Daylight Savings Time but the only province that doesn't follow it is Saskatchewan.
That being said why do we have to spring our clocks ahead on Sunday? All of my assignments are due on Monday ------------------------------------------- Hard work MAY pay off later, but procrastination always pays off now! |
Glane Sardar
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Posted - 2006.03.31 17:18:00 -
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Tend to get this every year and always seems to be posters from the UK who go on about it having changed. Eve is and always is on GMT.
This is so that if there is a corp op at 15:00 EVE time, everyone will know what time it is, irrespective of what the local time really is. None of this having people having some op at 15:00 DST, UST, ???
Not a bug :)
Daylight saving time is a good idea for most parts of the world, especially in summer, but suspect that scottish farmers might not agree |
QSquared
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Posted - 2006.04.01 04:35:00 -
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Quote: Well normally Eve time is on GMT (UK) time, but since NOT all parts of the world change their time (US doesn't for example) i guess Eve time doesn't get changed.
lo, I live in the USA, we have Daylight Savings time, it was invented by Benjamin franklin, and YES, HAS been adopted by alot of the world. BUT No one has ever standardized WHEN Daylight Savings time goes into effect. The United staes just changed when it goes into effect for example, expanding it past it's original usage, for the first time in a couple hundred years.
IN ANY case, we in the USA DO have Daylight Savings time, but GMT is universal and NEVER has DST app0lied to it. I live oon the east cost, and we are GMT -5 most of the year. We call our standard time Eastern Standard time (EST), and Our dylight time Eastern Daylight Time (EDT). Our other time zones are CST/CDT MST/MDT and PST/PDT You may perhaps heard of these before.
NOW lastly, not EVERY part of the world observes DST, so it's stupid ot enforce it. Personally, I HATE DST and woudl prefer we either centered on DST, or NON DST, and never changed, it's annoying to lose and gain an hour of sleep every year.
~Q A Nod is as good as a wink to a blind bat! ;-) ~Q (http://www.TheKnightsTemplar.us) |
Pella Padraig
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Posted - 2006.04.01 05:52:00 -
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Indeed the US does change their time, well most of us do. Arizona does not which makes my life so much easier.
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Navapia Wingblade
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Posted - 2006.04.01 10:19:00 -
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Edited by: Navapia Wingblade on 01/04/2006 10:20:11 As has already been pointed out, EVE time is GMT, but UK time is currently BST (GMT+1) ---------- I think I just had an evilgasm.... Are you a bufty or a beauty? Visit http://www.matryx.org.uk/eve/ using the in-game-browser to find out! |
Andrue
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Posted - 2006.04.01 20:14:00 -
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As a final pedantic note Eve probably doesn't run on GMT - it runs on UTC. For most practical purposes there is no difference but there are some high precision or scientific applications for which the difference matters.
Most modern operating systems including the one we all run Eve on operate on UTC. You can actually see the times on files change from summer to winter as Explorer applies/doesn't apply an offset to the values recorded by the file system.
You can safely see this happening by enabling/disable DST in your settings while looking at the contents of a folder. -- (Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
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silent uk
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:56:00 -
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Its annoying, but looking at it from a database perspective i see why it is done, however, i do wish they would push back the down time to when it normally is, rather than having to wait an extra hour til downtime and stuff (downtime is now 12-1 insted of 11-12 in the UK).
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Woodsie SS14
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Posted - 2006.04.02 09:04:00 -
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It's all irellevant really, we have a reference point and it's universally accepted as GMT so why on earth dont we all just use the 24hour clock and use GMT universally, who says the sun should rise at 0600 and set at 1800 anyway?
The world is such a small place these days it would simplify things if we all had the exact same time - no need to offset, no need to put clocks back and forth twice a year just one universal time, I want it to be 1800 hours the world over and pub-o-clock where I live Yaaaar. Vote now!
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Andrue
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Posted - 2006.04.02 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 02/04/2006 11:33:37
Originally by: Woodsie SS14 It's all irellevant really, we have a reference point and it's universally accepted as GMT so why on earth dont we all just use the 24hour clock and use GMT universally, who says the sun should rise at 0600 and set at 1800 anyway?
The world is such a small place these days it would simplify things if we all had the exact same time - no need to offset, no need to put clocks back and forth twice a year just one universal time, I want it to be 1800 hours the world over and pub-o-clock where I live Yaaaar. Vote now!
You wait until we get to other planets. Only Earth revolves around it's access in 24 hours Mars is a few minutes short.
Actually even Earth doesn't revolve around its access in 24 hours - anyone want to try and explain why?
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Lukas Bohr
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Posted - 2006.04.02 11:34:00 -
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Also, Eve is a space sim; the concept of time zones doesn't even make sense in such a context... the only reason we have time zones on Earth is so that the time of day that the Sun is visible from our rotating planet is roughly the same at any point on the globe, but that makes no sense in space because you can always see the nearest star (well, unless it is eclipsed by something).
Fortuitously, it also happens that having a single time across the entire game universe is good for players because it makes it easy to tell when particular events are going to take place.
Having said all that, it might be a good idea to add an option to display local time for those people who really want it. That way, they won't complain, although they probably will confuse themselves
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Lukas Bohr
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Posted - 2006.04.02 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue Edited by: Andrue on 02/04/2006 11:33:37 You wait until we get to other planets. Only Earth revolves around it's access in 24 hours Mars is a few minutes short.
Most of the others aren't even close. The fact that a Martian sol is roughly the same length as an Earth day is complete coincidence.
Quote: Actually even Earth doesn't revolve around its access in 24 hours - anyone want to try and explain why?
There are several factors to consider, including:
- The fact that Earth's orbit is elliptical, not circular.
- The fact that the Earth is in orbit around the Sun, rather than just spinning on its axis at a fixed position relative to it.
- The fact that Earth's axis is tilted relative to the the ecliptic plane, which is the plane in which the Earth orbits the Sun. This is what creates the seasons, including the extra-long days and nights inside the Artic circle.
- The rate of rotation of the Earth around its axis (which gives rise to the length of the sidereal day).
- The rate at which the Earth is orbiting the Sun (since this also affects the observed position of the Sun in the sky).
All of these things combine together to result in the observed length of a day/year. You could sit down and work out the mathematics if you were that way inclined.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2006.04.02 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lukas Bohr
Originally by: Andrue Edited by: Andrue on 02/04/2006 11:33:37 You wait until we get to other planets. Only Earth revolves around it's access in 24 hours Mars is a few minutes short.
Most of the others aren't even close. The fact that a Martian sol is roughly the same length as an Earth day is complete coincidence.
Oh yeah but I picked Mars because it's the first likely extra terrestrial colony.
But Mars (and probably most planets) has another issue - no large ocean to dump the date line into :D -- (Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
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Maximus Epeenus
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Posted - 2006.04.02 13:12:00 -
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britain is no longer on GMT we are on BST, Eve is always GMT i dont see whats hard about this...
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