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Steiv Dallas
Munch and Crunch Security Runners
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Posted - 2014.01.31 17:33:00 -
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I am a fairly new player and I'm just getting to the point where I am learning enough to be interested in PvP but still can't afford it. In high sec I have occasionally received offers to duel and because I can't afford to replace my ship and modules, I have to decline. Not much fun for anyone and not much opportunity to learn. So here is my idea, and I think it has a lot of good roleplaying value as well:
Systems can designate certain areas as Dueling Arenas. For game purposes there could be structures for spectators, galactic ESPN cameras, advertisement billboards, resorts, etc. Real gambling on outcomes could be offered to players not involved.
Players who want to duel could go to these Arenas and enter the que, stating their interest in dueling and their ship. Any player who wants to take them up on the offer could respond. Multiple ship duels could be agreed to.
There could be options for prizes. Anything agreed by contract, from no prize, to ISK, to items, to pink slips (winner gets the other's ship). A contract is setup with money or items held in the contract until the duel is finished.
The combat would be totally normal, however, there is a Surrender button that can be pushed at any time, and that pilot who pushes first loses (and the . Damage occurs as normal, but if the pilot doesn't want to lose the entire ship, the Surrender button ends the combat- all targeting and firing on that ship or by that ship ends. Pod killing is not allowed (at least in high sec, where rules can be enforced). When the entire duel is completed (if multiple ships), the contracts are paid out.
If you don't manage to hit the surrender button before your ship is destroyed, then that is just bad luck and you collect the insurance, but still have to pay out the prize. if the prize is the sip itself, the platinum insurance value should go to the winner (encourages the winner not to destroy the ship).
I'm sure I'll come up with other ideas to flesh this out, but that's it for now. Anyone else like the idea?
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Steiv Dallas
Munch and Crunch Security Runners
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:56:00 -
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Another idea for this: Perhaps the size of the duels is based on the size of the Arena. Busy systems have smaller arenas, systems with not much going on can have arenas that could host larger fleet duels.
Could also become a "Trial by Combat" contract option for PVE or PVP.
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Ix Method
Gang Plank Industries
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Posted - 2014.01.31 21:51:00 -
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Oh for fucks sake.
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Yeah, that's all I've got. Travelling at the speed of love. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2252
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Posted - 2014.01.31 21:52:00 -
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If you want to fight, you have to risk your ship.
Pretty much one of the founding principles of EVE, so you're barking up the wrong tree with this suggestion. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1504
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Posted - 2014.01.31 21:59:00 -
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If you want to duel without losing your ship, to test out fits and all, then you need to agree beforehand to stop at structure and trust that he will do it. This is pretty much a perfect system.
Corp members are way more likely to be trustworthy for this sort of thing. And not NPC corp mind you.
If a player organization wants to host duel tournaments with prizes, they are perfectly capable of doing so themselves through existing game mechanics. In fact, several corps and organizations already do this, with various rules. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
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Posted - 2014.01.31 22:20:00 -
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No. This is EVE. Not WoW. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
4778
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Posted - 2014.01.31 22:27:00 -
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If you create an area where people can "safely" PvP (on the real server, not the test one) then people will begin to ask...
- "How come I was blown up in less than 3 seconds when I was in low-sec? My fit lasted 5 minutes in the arena!"
- "Why should I go out into low-sec or null-sec to find PvP when I can get roughly the same experience but in a more controlled enviroment that won't result in me being blobbed, overmatchdd, or outwitted? I can also 'save' my ship in when things go wrong... unlike low and null-sec."
My advice? Find a PvP group that will take you in (explain that you want to learn) and to stop looking at your ship as if it is your precious. A noobship can fit a MWD and warp scrambler... it's useful for PvPing. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
852
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Posted - 2014.01.31 22:30:00 -
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Test server No trolling please |
Judas Lonestar
Stryker Industries Ocularis Inferno
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Posted - 2014.01.31 23:43:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:Test server
This.
If you want hand holding go play on the test server or duel corpmates. Otherwise welcome to Eve. The reason we play the game is because we can kill you, dont expect to get a lot of support to add mechanics to make that more difficult than it already is. |
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
633
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Posted - 2014.01.31 23:48:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:No. This is EVE. Not WoW. this.
if you want duels go to some weird assed fantasy mmo which holds your hand all the way to endgame content and gives you the armor and weapons with in a week or two _______________________ http://i.imgur.com/d9Ee2ik.jpg
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Katia Echerie
Eclipsed Moon Services
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Posted - 2014.02.01 00:19:00 -
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Honestly I don''t exactly see the problem with this as long as its player run. Perhaps if we could get a new deployable structure which would allow formal duels with no outside interference it could become an interesting in game "sport", per se. Some of the mechanics are already there (dueling/Crimewatch). All that is needed is a structure 2 players in a duel engagement could deploy that would prevent any assistance from any other pilot. That is all that could actually add to gameplay. It wouldn't be able to be exploited because it limits to whoever is in a formal duel engagement. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16632
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Posted - 2014.02.01 08:13:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:No. This is EVE. Not WoW.
Bane Nucleus wrote:Test server /thread
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
I am disposable
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.01 10:41:00 -
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I actually think an instanced simulation mode that allowed "virtual combat" would be a great addition. The arena thing doesn't sound like EVE at all. Of course the danger of such a mode would be that some might avoid real PVP due to it. I can see arguments for both sides of the matter. |
I am disposable
Republic University Minmatar Republic
94
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Posted - 2014.02.01 10:42:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:Test server
Sucks. |
Gawain Edmond
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2014.02.01 10:48:00 -
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i can't see a reason why anyone would play for anything other than pink slips unless a nice faction mod was on the line that was worth more than the ship that you're fighting against and if you were playing for pink slips you wouldn't ever hit the surrender button so that the other person couldn't get your ship and if they wanted it bad enough to stop shooting you then you'd blow them up and win and lets face it winning is better than getting a second rate ship (proven to be second rate by the fact it lost) |
Zappity
Kurved Space
785
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Posted - 2014.02.01 11:23:00 -
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Join RvB. And stop being poor. There are loads of things you can do for isk and T1 frigates and destroyers (with meta fits) are dirt cheap. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
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Posted - 2014.02.01 12:03:00 -
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Why would you need game mechanics for this?
You can run it yourself. This is a sandbox after all. Don't ask the devs to do your work for you. |
Steiv Dallas
Munch and Crunch Security Runners
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Posted - 2014.02.03 13:45:00 -
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Wow, brutal. Stop being poor... Heheh, yeah. Well, since some of us have jobs, mortgages, kids, sex lives, etc, we don't have the time to devote to grinding hours per day. I figured this would be a way to get more people into PvP by letting them try it out without poking into a .4 location just to get annihilated the first time by gate campers and lose interest in the game. Maybe limit the number of places where these occur, and have a buy in price to play that goes to the prize money, as well as competition "decorations". But hey, I guess if it limits the opportunities for gankers to prey on the newbies, we can't have that. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:03:00 -
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Pro-tip... a newbie in a properly fitted frigate and back-up right behind him/her is just as much of a threat as a veteran in a properly fitted frigate... possibly even more so because their equipment is dirt cheap and easily replaced by the people backing him/her... meaning that the newbie does not (and should not) fear death.
Also... stop grinding for money and think of smarter ways to get it. Find a market for a certain product and ship stuff there... scam someone ("I'll double your ISK if you send me some!"), steal stuff from mission runners and ransom them, grab loot from battlefields in low-sec using a fast frigate, join a corp with the intention of stealing from it (or sell information to someone who will). None of these thing require much, if any, character skills to perform. You can do them from day one.
I personally do some of the above activities about an hour or two a night, for two nights, and net an average of 500 mil a month. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Icarus Able
Revenant Tactical
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:55:00 -
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Steiv Dallas wrote:Wow, brutal. Stop being poor... Heheh, yeah. Well, since some of us have jobs, mortgages, kids, sex lives, etc, we don't have the time to devote to grinding hours per day. I figured this would be a way to get more people into PvP by letting them try it out without poking into a .4 location just to get annihilated the first time by gate campers and lose interest in the game. Maybe limit the number of places where these occur, and have a buy in price to play that goes to the prize money, as well as competition "decorations". But hey, I guess if it limits the opportunities for gankers to prey on the newbies, we can't have that.
Go join a good corp. Problem solved. |
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Shayla Aki
Wraithguard. Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.02.03 20:51:00 -
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Steiv Dallas wrote:Wow, brutal. Stop being poor... Heheh, yeah. Well, since some of us have jobs, mortgages, kids, sex lives, etc, we don't have the time to devote to grinding hours per day. I figured this would be a way to get more people into PvP by letting them try it out without poking into a .4 location just to get annihilated the first time by gate campers and lose interest in the game. Maybe limit the number of places where these occur, and have a buy in price to play that goes to the prize money, as well as competition "decorations". But hey, I guess if it limits the opportunities for gankers to prey on the newbies, we can't have that.
Wow, how much time out of your week does that mortgage take? Mine is something like 15 seconds, just to make sure that "autopay" is checked (don't want to drop sov, after all). I have all of the "time constraints" that you listed (in addition to a 2 1/2 hr commute each day), and I still make enough money to fly T2 and get it blown up. This is EVE, HTFU and stop making excuses; especially about money. |
Zappity
Kurved Space
801
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Posted - 2014.02.04 08:19:00 -
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Steiv Dallas wrote:Wow, brutal. Stop being poor... Heheh, yeah. Well, since some of us have jobs, mortgages, kids, sex lives, etc, we don't have the time to devote to grinding hours per day. Yes, I have all those things too. If you can't figure out how to make ISK without grinding then you could buy a couple of plex for about $35 (since you have a job). This will convert to two plex which can be sold on the market for about 1.25B. This will buy you over 100 T2 fit T1 frigates and at least double that in cheaper meta 3 versions. That will keep you going for quite a while, even in RvB or lowsec.
This is the only time I have done the grind since my tutorial missions. I make my money on the market. It does not take much time at all as long as you don't get sucked into the 0.01 ISK game. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.02.04 09:38:00 -
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to OP. NO!!!!
Eve is a game of consequences.. Do not want to loose your ship? Then try to not get into a fight or do not even undock.
Eve is a game about loosing the ships. Learn that and improve your experience tenfold. All the excitement come sfromt he fact that you MAY loose a ship and that you managed to NOT loose it. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1236
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Posted - 2014.02.04 09:40:00 -
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Steiv Dallas wrote:Wow, brutal. Stop being poor... Heheh, yeah. Well, since some of us have jobs, mortgages, kids, sex lives, etc, we don't have the time to devote to grinding hours per day. I figured this would be a way to get more people into PvP by letting them try it out without poking into a .4 location just to get annihilated the first time by gate campers and lose interest in the game. Maybe limit the number of places where these occur, and have a buy in price to play that goes to the prize money, as well as competition "decorations". But hey, I guess if it limits the opportunities for gankers to prey on the newbies, we can't have that.
Let me explain somethign simple to you and to several others. Gankers donot care on noobs! Gankers and mercs prefer to hunt Older players! That fly shiny expensive ****. We usually do not even pursue real noobs because its not worth the effort of clicking !!!
So stop with that MYTH that gankers are trying to grief noobs. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Trii Seo
Flaring Prophet
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Posted - 2014.02.04 10:07:00 -
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There's already dueling feature, why not organize an arena yourself and try to make living off entry fees? Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
Covert pilots unite! Safer working conditions, less accidental limb loss due to unfortunate Cyno accidents! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=258986 |
Torskelrak
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.04 14:02:00 -
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As much as I disagree with the OP slightly, I feel they are onto something.
Maybe each race / region has a "battle royal" style arena. People can go there to fight / dual as solo or small gangs and make a name for themselves. Other Pilots can watch & maybe bet on who is going to win.
Have a leaderboard in each region and at the end of the year the top 2/3 teams are automatically entered into an New Eden Tournament for best solo pilot.
If its moderated then you can enter into different ship classes.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1042
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:03:00 -
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Steiv Dallas wrote:Wow, brutal.
welcome to eve There are no vets in EVE. Only varying levels of Noobery. |
Steiv Dallas
Munch and Crunch Security Runners
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Posted - 2014.02.07 15:20:00 -
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Thanks, there is some interesting info here. I don't want to go the plex route, feels like cheating. And I have noticed that the ability to make a lot of isk is like a snowball. People making a lot are high in level, where the ability to make a lot is much easier. Getting to that point takes a long time. So in order to give the PvP experience at lower levels, figured this could be an option. Just funny to see such hostility from people who could just not use a feature they don't like. |
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