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Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
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Posted - 2014.02.03 08:31:00 -
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I would like to propose adding a SHUTTLE bay to battleship class ships, where a 5000 m3 shuttle can fit.
Simple? |
Ele Rebellion
Underground Coalition
11
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Posted - 2014.02.03 08:45:00 -
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+1 Most battleships have a shuttle bay when you look at them... so why not have a shuttle bay? |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2680
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Posted - 2014.02.03 09:09:00 -
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I'd love a shuttle bay for all my ships but I don't know what kind of complications it could cause. Oh god. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1350
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Posted - 2014.02.03 09:37:00 -
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Why? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
494
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Posted - 2014.02.03 09:52:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Why?
Because it would be better then not having one. Agree? |
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
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Posted - 2014.02.03 14:46:00 -
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+1
I don't see how an extra 5000m3 bay could hurt. But can't you actually fit a shuttle in most battleships?
I also like the idea idea of being able to drop a hulk out of a mega. Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur.-á |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.02.03 14:54:00 -
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Did you pull this from the one line bad idea thread? Blue-Fire Best Fire |
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
3933
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Posted - 2014.02.03 15:14:00 -
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Sure, no problem, and easily balanced.
For each shuttle clamped onto the BS, have it occupy a high slot.
In theory, you could have a BS with zero DPS but 8 shuttles attached. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what? |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2402
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Posted - 2014.02.03 15:31:00 -
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What would you ever use it for? |
Alundil
Sky Fighters
388
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Posted - 2014.02.03 18:56:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:Sure, no problem, and easily balanced.
For each shuttle clamped onto the BS, have it occupy a high slot.
In theory, you could have a BS with zero DPS but 8 shuttles attached.
As long as they were "kamikaze-shuttles" absolutely. Imagine the hilarity.
wrt to OP: I think that this would be a neat idea. From an implementation perspective, I could see this being relevant and even desirable under some specific use cases.
Current Use Case: -- Pilot realizes that current ship is missing some small components (scripts, paste and small modules) or perhaps POS is missing something (reactor blue prints, etc etc). Given the abysmal (though more realistic) warp speed of battleships post Rubicon, a shuttle would be far more preferable (and more believable as well) for quick trips. -- A place to store corpses for those long trips to and fro home systems outside of main cargohold where they might be damaged by ammo crates bouncing around ( )
Future Use Case: -- Once low planetary orbit and atmospheric flight is possible, a pilot sees a particularly interesting planet and decides to investigate as a possible planetary PI target (might replace the "God Mode" (PI survey view of any planet surface from any point in the system) with something more interactive and visually appealing. This could be extended to atmo-flight on moons as well.
Proposed mechanic: -- When the pilot of the battleship activates the shuttle, it is launched from the shuttle bay in much the same manner as from existing SMA structures. This places a lock on the battleship preventing another pilot from boarding the ship (ie: pilot who's now in the shuttle "took the keys"). However, this places the battleship in a very vulnerable position and renders it attackable. Attacks on this unpiloted battleship, in high sec and low sec, would generate a suspect flag on the aggressing pilot(s) but not a Concord response since there's no pilot in the ship. These unpiloted ships would be destroy-able, would follow existing loot drop mechanics, and would generate killmails for the agressing pilot(s).
Benefits: -- Offers battleship pilots a possible, if risky, way to quickly get around system(s) without having to warp the fatty battleships all over the place unless it's needed. -- Offers additional targets to be 'sploded -- Offers additional targets to be 'sploded (for 'sploding someone else's assets) Clone mechanics enchancements Deep Space Probe Revival |
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1557
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:00:00 -
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For one, it means I can have a shuttle with me already in case I need it for something. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Xerxes Von Braun
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:09:00 -
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Never know when you need to transport plex to jita. |
James Nikolas Tesla
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
63
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:32:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:What would you ever use it for? Escape pod. Activate your shuttle and you are jettisoned into your shuttle and your BS has its self destruct activated. 1/27/14 A hell of a good day to be a miner!
Please help me with my ORE Battleship. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=315675 |
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
3933
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:44:00 -
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James Nikolas Tesla wrote:Danika Princip wrote:What would you ever use it for? Escape pod. Activate your shuttle and you are jettisoned into your shuttle and your BS has its self destruct activated. Expanding on this, the shuttle would immediately attempt to warp in a random direction for 200km.
Then autopilot towards a designated location, defaulting to the station where the medclone is stored if not specified. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what? |
Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
498
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Posted - 2014.02.04 04:51:00 -
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Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:+1
I don't see how an extra 5000m3 bay could hurt. But can't you actually fit a shuttle in most battleships?
I also like the idea idea of being able to drop a hulk out of a mega.
Yes you can, but it takes up space which could be better utilized for ammo.
I want a specific bay for JUST ONE shuttle ship, no ore can fit no ammo nothing but a single shuttle.
Trust me it would be a huge help. |
Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
498
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Posted - 2014.02.04 04:51:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:Sure, no problem, and easily balanced.
For each shuttle clamped onto the BS, have it occupy a high slot.
In theory, you could have a BS with zero DPS but 8 shuttles attached.
Troll. |
Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
498
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Posted - 2014.02.04 04:56:00 -
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Aquila Sagitta wrote:Did you pull this from the one line bad idea thread?
Can you explain why this is a bad idea? You know use whatever little gray matter you may have to formulate a complete thought and elaborate why you think this is a bad idea? |
Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied
116
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Posted - 2014.02.04 07:39:00 -
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*Hops in his shuttle and flies to X.* *Extensive GIA network receives word I hopped out of my (insert expensive faction battleship name).* *GIA operative hops in my ship.* *I come back sad faced.* |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
278
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Posted - 2014.02.04 10:47:00 -
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James Nikolas Tesla wrote:Danika Princip wrote:What would you ever use it for? Escape pod. Activate your shuttle and you are jettisoned into your shuttle and your BS has its self destruct activated. Escape pod.
Escape Pod
Escape Pod If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
69
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Posted - 2014.02.04 10:50:00 -
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+1
I can't think of a single reason not to do this. Also, didn't the Nestor initially have a shuttle bay? |
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2697
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Posted - 2014.02.04 10:51:00 -
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Kaerakh wrote:*Hops in his shuttle and flies to X.* *Extensive GIA network receives word I hopped out of my (insert expensive faction battleship name).* *GIA operative hops in my ship.* *I come back sad faced.*
Maybe dock up before switching ships?
Oh god. |
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
3935
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Posted - 2014.02.04 15:00:00 -
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Cyndrogen wrote:Nikk Narrel wrote:Sure, no problem, and easily balanced.
For each shuttle clamped onto the BS, have it occupy a high slot.
In theory, you could have a BS with zero DPS but 8 shuttles attached. Troll. Really?
Offering a suggestion rather than mocking an idea is the new definition of troll?
You are suggesting the addition of an effective Ship Maintenance Bay, capable of launching a pilot-ready ship, and you consider paying for it by using a high slot to be so ridiculous, that you refer to the person as a troll for even suggesting it?
Consider this, Cyndrogen, if your idea has value, and adds to the functionality of a BS, why should it be free? And a single high slot is hardly a crippling price to pay, not even claiming a hard point here. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what? |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1042
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:46:00 -
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interesting for fluff reasons and makes transporting BS's between stations faster/cheaper.
but ur escape pod is ur escape pod.
If the benefits beyond this are so obvious and so many, can u tell me some? There are no vets in EVE. Only varying levels of Noobery. |
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
139
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Posted - 2014.02.04 18:03:00 -
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Dun'Gal wrote:+1
I can't think of a single reason not to do this. Also, didn't the Nestor initially have a shuttle bay?
It still does, on the bottom. With a tiny little useless shuttle in it. Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur.-á |
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
139
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Posted - 2014.02.04 18:08:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:Cyndrogen wrote:Nikk Narrel wrote:Sure, no problem, and easily balanced.
For each shuttle clamped onto the BS, have it occupy a high slot.
In theory, you could have a BS with zero DPS but 8 shuttles attached. Troll. Really? Offering a suggestion rather than mocking an idea is the new definition of troll? You are suggesting the addition of an effective Ship Maintenance Bay, capable of launching a pilot-ready ship, and you consider paying for it by using a high slot to be so ridiculous, that you refer to the person as a troll for even suggesting it? Consider this, Cyndrogen, if your idea has value, and adds to the functionality of a BS, why should it be free? And a single high slot is hardly a crippling price to pay, not even claiming a hard point here.
Because battleships are gimped already, so we should gimp them more when we add a non-combat feature?
Ask logistics why this should be a thing, or people with decked out pods. This idea puts them in space longer, with the perk of free battleships from morons. It's like ******* eve Christmas.
Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur.-á |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2699
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Posted - 2014.02.04 18:14:00 -
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Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:With a tiny little useless shuttle in it. How is a shuttle useless? I use them pretty much every day, the only problem is, I can't take a Leopard everywhere because I don't have enough cargo space. Sometimes I fit cargo expanders so I can fit my leopard in a ship. LOL.
Oh god. |
Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied
116
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Posted - 2014.02.04 18:26:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Kaerakh wrote:*Hops in his shuttle and flies to X.* *Extensive GIA network receives word I hopped out of my (insert expensive faction battleship name).* *GIA operative hops in my ship.* *I come back sad faced.* Maybe dock up before switching ships?
Then what's the point? I can just buy one or pod surf which is arguably safer. The pod has the fastest alignment time in the game, and a 600 m/s top speed isn't going to save you from a gate camp full of 1km/s+ mwd ships. This idea has literally no point and just wastes man hours for trying to make the game more like Star Trek. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2700
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Posted - 2014.02.04 18:32:00 -
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The point is having a Leopard available to use wherever you dock up. Oh god. |
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
139
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Posted - 2014.02.04 18:46:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:With a tiny little useless shuttle in it. How is a shuttle useless? I use them pretty much every day, the only problem is, I can't take a Leopard everywhere because I don't have enough cargo space. Sometimes I fit cargo expanders so I can fit my leopard in a ship. LOL.
The shuttle on the nestor is completely useless, as in you can't board it. Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur.-á |
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
3935
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Posted - 2014.02.04 18:50:00 -
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Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:Because battleships are gimped already, so we should gimp them more when we add a non-combat feature? That's a harsh judgement of BS class ships.
As to this being a noncombat feature, so is anything relating to increasing cargo space. Assuming you packaged the shuttle before hand, that would require 500m3 in the cargo hold.
Now just grabbing a Raven class off the shelf, you start with 665m3 of space. Minus the 500, leaves you 165m3. That can really cut into your ammo storage.
But wait, I can pop an expander onto it. Never mind how useful low slot items are, even for a missile ship with a shield tank. So, 1 Expander II, brings cargo up to 848m3, leaving 348 for your ammo. Not really a lot, so loot won't be left with much room. A second expander brings you up to 1,081m3, minus the 500 leaving you 581. Heck, that's almost full room for ammo again.
Now, you have less room to fit Ballistic control systems, power relays, and don't forget a DCU. With 5,120 remaining structure that travels at 25 m/s slower than before, your defensive posture is reduced.
Or, skip the tractor beam, clap on the high slot shuttle clamp, and keep your launchers happy with a faster ship too.
Clearly, having even a packaged shuttle in the cargo hold requires compromises. Why should this be a free bonus?
Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:Ask logistics why this should be a thing, or people with decked out pods. This idea puts them in space longer, with the perk of free battleships from morons. It's like ******* eve Christmas.
Maybe you misunderstood, I am arguing for the idea.
Short of a capital ship, or a player acting like a valet to drop off a ship, you can't put a pilot ready ship into the field right now.
The tactical consequences of this should not be simply brushed off as a non combat feature, or did you never consider why pods have such slow travel speeds with no cargo capacity?
The clever ones will find a way to use it. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what? |
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