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DeT Resprox
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2014.02.04 10:16:00 -
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In the last few days, news spread that moon structures belonging to Defiant Legacy had been shot down in Bosboger in a callous act of piracy by members of WINMATAR alliance, a militia member of the Minmatar Republic.
Their reasons unknown at this point in time.....little is known if it is greed or preparations for something bigger. This was followed by the destruction of another mining base held by MELTDOWN.
An attempt to reason through diplomacy was attempted (the recordings of which remain confidential at present) by Annah Kitherin. When asked to make a statement that this would not occur Maximus Decimal replied:
"I don't think that a statement is an option. It's not something we're interested in,making arrangements".
Meetings were held by Council representatives of several Minmatar militia commanding officers within each corporation and alliance and a swift decision had been made to declare en-masse on WINMATAR.
Tonight, between 19:00 - 20:00 hours, some twelve declarations of war are going active against WINMATAR in a show of defiance against such actions against the Republic. An alliance who was once considered one of the loyalist Republic representatives has turned on its own.
The first shot, prior to any war going live, was fired last night as members of White Lotus shot down a Tornado at the helm of Maximus Decimal.
Minmatar militia representatives have mobilised and we expect heavy conflicts. DeT Resprox T.R.I.A.D CEO-á Matari Tribal War Chief Founding Member of Ushra'Khan |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
333
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Posted - 2014.02.04 10:37:00 -
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Not surprising. I'm thinking an apt nickname for the CEMWPA wars should be 'The Civil Wars'. Infighting is as predictable as the swinging pendulum of the war-front.
-Eran |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3216
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Posted - 2014.02.04 15:28:00 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:Not surprising. I'm thinking an apt nickname for the CEMWPA wars should be 'The Civil Wars'. Infighting is as predictable as the swinging pendulum of the war-front.
-Eran
The only infighting I've ever been part of in the warzone has been dealing with elements of Fweddit who believe that all Caldari Militia are far game. |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
342
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Posted - 2014.02.04 16:15:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Eran Mintor wrote:Not surprising. I'm thinking an apt nickname for the CEMWPA wars should be 'The Civil Wars'. Infighting is as predictable as the swinging pendulum of the war-front.
-Eran The only infighting I've ever been part of in the warzone has been dealing with elements of Fweddit who believe that all Caldari Militia are far game.
Give it more time you'll see what I'm talking about. Of course being apart of it is different than simply seeing it, as you point out. Let's hope for the latter though.
-Eran |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
482
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Posted - 2014.02.04 16:36:00 -
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To chime in with the above, there has been infighting in the Amarr Milita as well, was quite the news a few months back. Capsuleers really are a hard people to unite, even when they fight for the same side... Informative reports & links about the Nullsec Titanic battle Cultural exchange with Disciples of Ston |
Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
434
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Posted - 2014.02.04 16:41:00 -
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Jandice Ymladris wrote:To chime in with the above, there has been infighting in the Amarr Milita as well, was quite the news a few months back. Capsuleers really are a hard people to unite, even when they fight for the same side...
Well, half of Amarr wants to enslave Sebbies to save souls while the other half wants to enslave Sebbies to nibble on toes, and so there are fundamentals fundamentally involved, you know. |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
94
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:37:00 -
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Gosakumori Noh wrote:Jandice Ymladris wrote:To chime in with the above, there has been infighting in the Amarr Milita as well, was quite the news a few months back. Capsuleers really are a hard people to unite, even when they fight for the same side... Well, half of Amarr wants to enslave Sebbies to save souls while the other half wants to enslave Sebbies to nibble on toes, and so there are fundamentals fundamentally involved, you know. Which half are you in? |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3217
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:50:00 -
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Lady Noh has always struck me as being firmly in the 'toes' camp. |
Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
434
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:52:00 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Gosakumori Noh wrote:Jandice Ymladris wrote:To chime in with the above, there has been infighting in the Amarr Milita as well, was quite the news a few months back. Capsuleers really are a hard people to unite, even when they fight for the same side... Well, half of Amarr wants to enslave Sebbies to save souls while the other half wants to enslave Sebbies to nibble on toes, and so there are fundamentals fundamentally involved, you know. Which half are you in?
I have no combat skills and believe Sebbies should be enslaved for SCIENCE!
That said, when properly managed, toe nibbling is good for the soul. |
Xindi Kraid
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
711
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Posted - 2014.02.04 19:01:00 -
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Most of the infighting has less to do with uniting on one side and more to do with the fact some of the capsuleers involved don't even consider themselves on the same side. Some Capsuleers are very opportunistic and joined the militias for reasons other than loyalty be it rewards for taking down hostile targets or just because they take perverse pleasure in killing and want those extra targets.
With those kinds of people, friendly militia IFF means nothing and I am surprised most of them have a policy of NBSI rather than NUSI (not us shoot it) |
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2378
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Posted - 2014.02.04 19:43:00 -
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This behavior by Biohazard. corporation and their puppet alliance WINMATAR cannot exactly be called surprising. The greed and arrogance of their leadership has proven to be boundless in the past, thus their seeming belief that they have a mandate to attack the holdings of their supposed militia brethren isn't exactly shocking. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Vulxanis Viceroy
Xiadii Family Holdings
23
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Posted - 2014.02.04 20:06:00 -
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Jandice Ymladris wrote:To chime in with the above, there has been infighting in the Amarr Milita as well, was quite the news a few months back. Capsuleers really are a hard people to unite, even when they fight for the same side...
True. However, if you are referring to the d'Hanguest incident, that had more to do with the former Lady d'Hanguest throwing a temper tantrum when she had PIE attacked by Mercenaries. PIE, took the high road, and simply defended themselves when needed. They did not fall into her hands. We had no "Loyalists turned pirates". PIE would absolutely never do anything of the sort. Such would bring great dishonor.
However, the situation with WINMATAR is complete and utter chaos. At least in the Amarr Militia, when there is a dispute, it is almost always either founded, controlled, or both.
This is possibly further evidence of the Minmatar Militia's resolve simply being broken entirely, what with the dissolution of Electus Matari. The Amarr militia, however, has had no such problems. - Lord Vulxanis Nitsujj Draconis.-áHolder of the Xiadii Family and House Draconis, CEO of Xiadii Family Holdings.
Fide et honore. |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
344
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Posted - 2014.02.04 20:12:00 -
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Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:At least in the Amarr Militia, when there is a dispute, it is almost always either founded, controlled, or both.
This is possibly further evidence of the Minmatar Militia's resolve simply being broken entirely, what with the dissolution of Electus Matari. The Amarr militia, however, has had no such problems.
History would disagree. Both sides have had their share of warranted and unwarranted civil wars.
-Eran |
Vulxanis Viceroy
Xiadii Family Holdings
23
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Posted - 2014.02.04 20:18:00 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:At least in the Amarr Militia, when there is a dispute, it is almost always either founded, controlled, or both.
This is possibly further evidence of the Minmatar Militia's resolve simply being broken entirely, what with the dissolution of Electus Matari. The Amarr militia, however, has had no such problems. History would disagree. Both sides have had their share of warranted and unwarranted civil wars. -Eran
And your point would be? I fail to see how history has anything to do with what I just said. I am speaking of recent events and how the Minmatar Militia is behaving differently than the Amarr would. I also made the point that regardless of whether or not the civil war is founded or warrented, it is still controlled, and does not amount to all out war and choas like the current situation with WINMATAR. - Lord Vulxanis Nitsujj Draconis.-áHolder of the Xiadii Family and House Draconis, CEO of Xiadii Family Holdings.
Fide et honore. |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
541
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Posted - 2014.02.04 20:45:00 -
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The Fweddit/Death by Design war is still fresh in the memory of the Amarr militia. Going back further, LNA has been at war with Ushra'Khan, and Locus Industries was wardeced by my own corp at the time, the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown.
Civil wars within militias are yearly ordeals from my experience. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
483
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Posted - 2014.02.04 20:54:00 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:The Fweddit/Death by Design war is still fresh in the memory of the Amarr militia. Going back further, LNA has been at war with Ushra'Khan, and Locus Industries was wardeced by my own corp at the time, the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown.
Civil wars within militias are yearly ordeals from my experience.
I noticed they apparantly follow a certain pattern. On the verge of victory (almost all key-systems taken), the infighting tends to start, giving the opposition time to gather themselevs and launch succesful counteroffensives, as the near-victor is now heavely weakened by internal strife. Repeat when victory is near again for one of the sides. Concord organizes trainingbattle at Yulai Informative reports & links about the Nullsec Titanic battle |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
542
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:01:00 -
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This war is a little different, however, as currently the Minamtar are on the back-foot *and* are now fighting each other. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
483
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:22:00 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:This war is a little different, however, as currently the Minamtar are on the back-foot *and* are now fighting each other. Oh, that does sound dire! Just on the moment they should stand as one, they fall apart. But I doubt the Amarr Militia is complaining. Concord organizes trainingbattle at Yulai Informative reports & links about the Nullsec Titanic battle |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3217
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:29:00 -
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Jandice Ymladris wrote:Aldrith Shutaq wrote:This war is a little different, however, as currently the Minamtar are on the back-foot *and* are now fighting each other. Oh, that does sound dire! Just on the moment they should stand as one, they fall apart. But I doubt the Amarr Militia is complaining.
I imagine ale and wine sales are up appropriately. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1653
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:50:00 -
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If the Republic wishes to sue for peace with the Empire, I'm sure that something can be agreed before the Minmatar forces collapse completely. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
542
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:54:00 -
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Let's not count our blessings before the holy water lands upon our heads. It is still up to the pilots on the front line to make a victory out of such an event. |
Vulxanis Viceroy
Xiadii Family Holdings
23
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:54:00 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:The Fweddit/Death by Design war is still fresh in the memory of the Amarr militia. Going back further, LNA has been at war with Ushra'Khan, and Locus Industries was wardeced by my own corp at the time, the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown.
Civil wars within militias are yearly ordeals from my experience.
I apologize. I was unaware of these conflicts. Did they extend to cripple the most loyal Amarr Militia factions' credibility via acts of piracy, causing allies to be forced to take them out? - Lord Vulxanis Nitsujj Draconis.-áHolder of the Xiadii Family and House Draconis, CEO of Xiadii Family Holdings.
Fide et honore. |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
542
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:56:00 -
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Yes, they did. Death by Design still resides in Kamela but will likely never join the Amarr militia again. Ushra'Khan was arguably forced out of the warzone by LNA, while Locus Industries collapsed. |
Vulxanis Viceroy
Xiadii Family Holdings
23
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:58:00 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Yes, they did. Death by Design still resides in Kamela but will likely never join the Amarr militia again. Ushra'Khan was arguably forced out of the warzone by LNA, while Locus Industries collapsed.
Ah. Then I stand corrected. - Lord Vulxanis Nitsujj Draconis.-áHolder of the Xiadii Family and House Draconis, CEO of Xiadii Family Holdings.
Fide et honore. |
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
865
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Posted - 2014.02.04 22:00:00 -
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Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:Aldrith Shutaq wrote:The Fweddit/Death by Design war is still fresh in the memory of the Amarr militia. Going back further, LNA has been at war with Ushra'Khan, and Locus Industries was wardeced by my own corp at the time, the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown.
Civil wars within militias are yearly ordeals from my experience. I apologize. I was unaware of these conflicts. Did they extend to cripple the most loyal Amarr Militia factions' credibility via acts of piracy, causing allies to be forced to take them out?
Very often, it's the curse of success in faction warfare, it seems. When the forces dominating the field realize how little they're being compensated relative to nullsec corporations, someone is going to decide on a more profitable venture. Sort of the same issue empires have regarding their ability to fall into war over and over again, it doesn't take many people to polarize opinions, but it takes a lot of people to normalize relations. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Vulxanis Viceroy
Xiadii Family Holdings
23
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Posted - 2014.02.04 22:01:00 -
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Constantin Baracca wrote:Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:Aldrith Shutaq wrote:The Fweddit/Death by Design war is still fresh in the memory of the Amarr militia. Going back further, LNA has been at war with Ushra'Khan, and Locus Industries was wardeced by my own corp at the time, the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown.
Civil wars within militias are yearly ordeals from my experience. I apologize. I was unaware of these conflicts. Did they extend to cripple the most loyal Amarr Militia factions' credibility via acts of piracy, causing allies to be forced to take them out? Very often, it's the curse of success in faction warfare, it seems. When the forces dominating the field realize how little they're being compensated relative to nullsec corporations, someone is going to decide on a more profitable venture. Sort of the same issue empires have regarding their ability to fall into war over and over again, it doesn't take many people to polarize opinions, but it takes a lot of people to normalize relations.
How unfortunate. I pray that PIE does not fall to the same temptation when they gain territory.
- Lord Vulxanis Nitsujj Draconis.-áHolder of the Xiadii Family and House Draconis, CEO of Xiadii Family Holdings.
Fide et honore. |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
542
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Posted - 2014.02.04 22:04:00 -
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That, I assure you Lord Viceroy, will never happen.
And I just noticed that all three of us have crossed arms in our pilot portraits. Not sure why that amused me so much. |
Vulxanis Viceroy
Xiadii Family Holdings
23
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Posted - 2014.02.04 22:08:00 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:That, I assure you Lord Draconis, will never happen.
And I just noticed that all three of us have crossed arms in our pilot portraits. Not sure why that amused me so much.
I certainly hope so. - Lord Vulxanis Nitsujj Draconis.-áHolder of the Xiadii Family and House Draconis, CEO of Xiadii Family Holdings.
Fide et honore. |
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
80
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Posted - 2014.02.04 22:46:00 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
And I just noticed that all three of us have crossed arms in our pilot portraits. Not sure why that amused me so much.
Fascinating. According to a books I once read about posture, it could mean "defensiveness" orGÇó "it may indicate that the person is (slightly) reserved, uncomfortable with their appearance (self-conscious and trying to cover it), or just trying to hide something on their shirt. If their arms are crossed while their feet are shoulder width or wider apart, this is a position of toughness or authority." I'll have to expand the pictures and see about that last part! Purely for observational purposes of course. |
Vulxanis Viceroy
Xiadii Family Holdings
23
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Posted - 2014.02.04 22:49:00 -
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Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
And I just noticed that all three of us have crossed arms in our pilot portraits. Not sure why that amused me so much.
Fascinating. According to a books I once read about posture, it could mean "defensiveness" orGÇó "it may indicate that the person is (slightly) reserved, uncomfortable with their appearance (self-conscious and trying to cover it), or just trying to hide something on their shirt. If their arms are crossed while their feet are shoulder width or wider apart, this is a position of toughness or authority." I'll have to expand the pictures and see about that last part! Purely for observational purposes of course.
Reserved? Perhaps.
Defensive or self-conscious? No.
Toughness or Authority? Does it show? - Lord Vulxanis Nitsujj Draconis.-áHolder of the Xiadii Family and House Draconis, CEO of Xiadii Family Holdings.
Fide et honore. |
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