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Ammzi
Love Squad Black Legion.
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Posted - 2014.02.11 19:37:00 -
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Motoko Innocentius wrote:Mag's wrote:Motoko Innocentius wrote:And stop being an imbecile with your whiny "web it web it webit", webbing isn't a natural mechanic, freighters can't be designed around same corp alts webbing them, that is imbalanced and poor design. It's as stupid as your inability to answer to my question still. What you mean is that your NPC freighter pilot designed to avoid war decs, cannot be webbed without punishment. Shame that, but then NPC corps do have some disadvantages. Thanks for making this clear, can't argue with webs when they can't be used eh. Whats the disadvantage for an npc corp bumper btw?
Dueling your webber = free webbing wherever you go! Again - insufficient and faulty knowledge of game mechanics, please refer back to my previous posts.
Oh and Motoko - here's one of your buddies: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=319374 You can go around and claim "exploits" together with him. Hell, he might even web your freighter for you or vice versa! |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
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Posted - 2014.02.11 19:39:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Motoko Innocentius wrote:Mag's wrote:Motoko Innocentius wrote:And stop being an imbecile with your whiny "web it web it webit", webbing isn't a natural mechanic, freighters can't be designed around same corp alts webbing them, that is imbalanced and poor design. It's as stupid as your inability to answer to my question still. What you mean is that your NPC freighter pilot designed to avoid war decs, cannot be webbed without punishment. Shame that, but then NPC corps do have some disadvantages. Thanks for making this clear, can't argue with webs when they can't be used eh. Whats the disadvantage for an npc corp bumper btw? Dueling your webber = free webbing wherever you go! Again - insufficient and faulty knowledge of game mechanics, please refer back to my previous posts. True but it's the whole effort thing I guess and the time factor. Let's face it, you can't beat being in the same player corp.
BUT then OMG WAR DEC!!111!!!
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Seras VictoriaX
Relentless Grind
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Posted - 2014.02.11 19:40:00 -
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Actually you kinda seal this entire thread with that post if you read it.
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CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another playerGÇÖs ship as an exploit. However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis.
You can take this two ways.
1) Freighters are making an effort to move to another location, and thus its against the rules to keep bumping them over and over again. 2) Freighters lack the ability to move to another location when this is happening, and thus something needs changed to fix that.
Either way its clear from GM Karidor's post that repeatedly bumping a freighter over and over and over again, is against his rules.
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Motoko Innocentius
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.11 19:40:00 -
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Ah, but then i'd be open for wardeccing which would just make my freighter completely useless :O does this mean freighters are completely at the mercy of others ? Sounds to me like it's a useless ship.
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Mag's
the united SCUM.
16692
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Posted - 2014.02.11 19:41:00 -
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Seras VictoriaX wrote:Actually you kinda seal this entire thread with that post if you read it. Quote:
CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another playerGÇÖs ship as an exploit. However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis.
You can take this two ways. 1) Freighters are making an effort to move to another location, and thus its against the rules to keep bumping them over and over again. 2) Freighters lack the ability to move to another location when this is happening, and thus something needs changed to fix that. Either way its clear from GM Karidor's post that repeatedly bumping a freighter over and over and over again, is against his rules. Please read the thread, you'll find he clarifies that stance.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16692
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Posted - 2014.02.11 19:42:00 -
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Motoko Innocentius wrote:Ah, but then i'd be open for wardeccing which would just make my freighter completely useless :O does this mean freighters are completely at the mercy of others ? Sounds to me like it's a useless ship.
So you obviously don't know how easy they are to avoid?
I'm starting to wonder if you really know this game at all tbh.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Ammzi
Love Squad Black Legion.
1681
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Posted - 2014.02.11 19:42:00 -
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Motoko Innocentius wrote:Ah, but then i'd be open for wardeccing which would just make my freighter completely useless :O does this mean freighters are completely at the mercy of others ? Sounds to me like it's a useless ship.
Alright, now you're just trolling. That's good, that's all you have left since your puffed up arguments got punctured. |
Motoko Innocentius
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.11 19:48:00 -
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You've yet to take a shot at an argument, and as such i see no point going on with this. Do you ? |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16692
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Posted - 2014.02.11 19:51:00 -
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Motoko Innocentius wrote:You've yet to take a shot at an argument, and as such i see no point going on with this. Do you ? There was no point before the thread was started. It's not an exploit and considered normal game mechanics. You have options, if you can't use some due to your insistence on war dec avoidance then that is your problem, not one of bumping.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Seras VictoriaX
Relentless Grind
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Posted - 2014.02.11 19:53:00 -
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Mag's wrote: Please read the thread, you'll find he clarifies that stance.
I did, you want to quote it? I dont see anything addressing "attempting to leave but unable to"
In fact the last rule clarification regarding bumping titans before they go into e-warp is pretty similar. http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-bumping-in-order-to-prevent-e-warp
CCP Dolan wrote: Ships undergoing emergency warp upon appearing in space have no means to activate modules, cancel warp, or otherwise defend themselves during this period; they cannot be stopped by any warp disruption mechanic. Bumping them during this period renders the ship in question utterly helpless, against the intention of the game mechanics.
A freighter attempting to "leave the area" is 'utterly helpless'
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Mag's
the united SCUM.
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Posted - 2014.02.11 19:58:00 -
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Seras VictoriaX wrote:Mag's wrote: Please read the thread, you'll find he clarifies that stance.
I did, you want to quote it? I dont see anything addressing "attempting to leave but unable to" In fact the last rule clarification regarding bumping titans before they go into e-warp is pretty similar. http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-bumping-in-order-to-prevent-e-warpCCP Dolan wrote: Ships undergoing emergency warp upon appearing in space have no means to activate modules, cancel warp, or otherwise defend themselves during this period; they cannot be stopped by any warp disruption mechanic. Bumping them during this period renders the ship in question utterly helpless, against the intention of the game mechanics.
A freighter attempting to "leave the area" is 'utterly helpless' There is this.
GM Karidor wrote:While it will involve inconvenience, we will have to see that one actively tried evasion before we consider someone being followed around and harassed. Merely changing belts in the same system or moving a few thousand meters to another asteroid would not qualify in this regard. Ideally you would move to other systems and more than just one or two jumps to avoid being found again quickly, requiring some effort to locate you again (i.e. through locator agents).
Then we had this thread with some claiming much the same and the GMs ruled it not an exploit or harassment.
It's not breaking any rules, time to deal with it.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Ammzi
Love Squad Black Legion.
1682
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Posted - 2014.02.11 19:59:00 -
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Seras VictoriaX wrote:Mag's wrote: Please read the thread, you'll find he clarifies that stance.
I did, you want to quote it? I dont see anything addressing "attempting to leave but unable to" In fact the last rule clarification regarding bumping titans before they go into e-warp is pretty similar. http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-bumping-in-order-to-prevent-e-warpCCP Dolan wrote: Ships undergoing emergency warp upon appearing in space have no means to activate modules, cancel warp, or otherwise defend themselves during this period; they cannot be stopped by any warp disruption mechanic. Bumping them during this period renders the ship in question utterly helpless, against the intention of the game mechanics.
A freighter attempting to "leave the area" is 'utterly helpless'
Incorrect - and if you actually knew anything about game mechanics you'd know they fixed that up a few patches ago. When a ship is ADDED into space now from logging in it'll insta-warp. The freighter had a chance at getting away, he could have been webbed - he chose not to, he chose to risk his cargo and his ship while aligning, either knowingly or unknowingly. That's that pilot's fault.
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Motoko Innocentius
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:01:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Motoko Innocentius wrote:You've yet to take a shot at an argument, and as such i see no point going on with this. Do you ? There was no point before the thread was started. It's not an exploit and considered normal game mechanics. You have options, if you can't use some due to your insistence on war dec avoidance then that is your problem, not one of bumping.
There is a point to the thread, the thread you are linking always does not answer the question asked. This thread , like the topic sais is about "why freighter bumping in high sec is an exploit", the arguments in this thread should be about why it should or why it shouldn't be an exploit. It's a different scenario and requires a clear answer from ccp, personally It's all the same for me, if it's allowed, I can go bump ransom some money, if it's not, well nothing changes for me. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16692
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:03:00 -
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Motoko Innocentius wrote:Mag's wrote:Motoko Innocentius wrote:You've yet to take a shot at an argument, and as such i see no point going on with this. Do you ? There was no point before the thread was started. It's not an exploit and considered normal game mechanics. You have options, if you can't use some due to your insistence on war dec avoidance then that is your problem, not one of bumping. There is a point to the thread, the thread you are linking always does not answer the question asked. This thread , like the topic sais is about "why freighter bumping in high sec is an exploit", the arguments in this thread should be about why it should or why it shouldn't be an exploit. It's a different scenario and requires a clear answer from ccp, personally It's all the same for me, if it's allowed, I can go bump ransom some money, if it's not, well nothing changes for me. Yes we get it, you don't like the ruling. But it has been ruled upon and it was deemed normal game mechanics and not an exploit. Therefore this thread is pointless.
You have options, use them.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
JetStream Drenard
EVE University Ivy League
8
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:06:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Seras VictoriaX wrote:Actually you kinda seal this entire thread with that post if you read it. Quote:
CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another playerGÇÖs ship as an exploit. However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis.
You can take this two ways. 1) Freighters are making an effort to move to another location, and thus its against the rules to keep bumping them over and over again. 2) Freighters lack the ability to move to another location when this is happening, and thus something needs changed to fix that. Either way its clear from GM Karidor's post that repeatedly bumping a freighter over and over and over again, is against his rules. Please read the thread, you'll find he clarifies that stance. Back to playing devils advocate again... This linked thread is only expounding on miner bumping. I scrolled through all 16 pages and found only 2 DEV posts on page 1. Miner bumping in and of itself is not usually about ganking but griefing AFK miners. If the aforementioned miner warps off to another system and is followed then it is in fact harassment. Therefore, this article does not specifically apply to freighter bumping, because in actuality, the freighter is being prevented from warping off in the first place. So in interpretation of the the DEV bumping post, bumping freighters COULD be construed as harassment, since you are preventing the freighter from leaving the area, and would be handled on a case by case basis by CCP.
I play devils advocate when I try to put myself in the position of the single account player, with no (or no available) friends. In this instance, the single account player's ONLY recourse is to petition for harassment and hope that CCP agrees. I guess you would have to prove that you were not on autopilot as well. |
Ammzi
Love Squad Black Legion.
1682
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:09:00 -
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Motoko Innocentius wrote: This thread , like the topic sais is about "why freighter bumping in high sec is an exploit",
Quote:exploit verb +¬k-êspl+ö+¬t,+¢k-/ ..... 2. make use of (a situation) in a way considered unfair or underhand. "the company was exploiting a legal loophole"
- It's "unfair" according to you.
- It is easily avoidable (webbing), thus not unfair.
- CCP is well aware of bumping mechanics and deemed it within the rules
- Any and all arguments here against bumping have been dismantled
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Motoko Innocentius
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:16:00 -
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- Once bumped, can not be in anyway escaped from - Other players may help but must lose ships and security status in order to do so - Is used as a way of warp disrupting without having to aggress - Creates risk free ganking (target cannot escape, sufficient numbers can be gotten with time, unlimited planning time) - Webbing does not give 100% guarantee of safety and requires an additional account while perma bump requires only one. - Subsequent ganking requires more, but being safe from said gank isn't guaranteed even with unlimited amount of fleet members helping. While successful gank can always be made. |
Ammzi
Love Squad Black Legion.
1682
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:20:00 -
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Motoko Innocentius wrote:- Once bumped, can not be in anyway escaped from
Wrong, reference all my other posts and your lack of imagination+ingame knowledge.
Motoko Innocentius wrote:- Other players may help but must lose ships and security status in order to do so
Wrong, again lack of imagination+ingame knowledge.
Motoko Innocentius wrote:- Is used as a way of warp disrupting without having to aggress
Bumping ships is deemed completely acceptable and within rules.
Motoko Innocentius wrote:- Creates risk free ganking (target cannot escape, sufficient numbers can be gotten with time, unlimited planning time)
Risk free!? Hahahahha. Completely and utterly wrong.
Motoko Innocentius wrote:- Webbing does not give 100% guarantee of safety and requires an additional account while perma bump requires only one. 100 % safety? In my EVE? Get the **** out.
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Ammzi
Love Squad Black Legion.
1682
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:21:00 -
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Motoko Innocentius wrote:- Subsequent ganking requires more, but being safe from said gank isn't guaranteed even with unlimited amount of fleet members helping. While successful gank can always be made.
Successful gank IS NOT guaranteed. I couldn't fit more quotes in. |
Cathy Mikakka
Schroedingers Fluffy Kitty Asylum Ravens Misfits
1
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:34:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Motoko Innocentius wrote:- Once bumped, can not be in anyway escaped from Wrong, reference all my other posts and your lack of imagination+ingame knowledge. Motoko Innocentius wrote:- Creates risk free ganking (target cannot escape, sufficient numbers can be gotten with time, unlimited planning time) Risk free!? Hahahahha. Completely and utterly wrong.
You haven't said a single thing on how to escape except "call yo corp bros" one. Which makes no sense unless you want to gank the bumper?
And what risk do gankers risk while doing this? |
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1057
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:48:00 -
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Cathy Mikakka wrote:
Daichy Yamato: Simply no. Ejecting is not an option.
Why not? ur not a prisoner in that freighter as some ppl are trying to claim.
Cathy Mikakka wrote: Problem with bumping is that there is no defense. You say webbing, but that happens before bumping. Once bumping is in place, you are ******. Simple as that. You say, attack the bumper, no. This is not correct way. You want your friends to gank the ganker? So they lose ships for no value (bumper doesn't drop much) and their security status? Are you insane?!
if u dnt think ur cargo is worth ur friends ganking the bumper then thats YOUR choice. the option is there, the risks and rewards are there. its upto YOU to make the decision. its not insane, its the logical solution if u have such valuable cargo. if u dnt have valuable cargo, then what in gods name are u crying about? the freighter itself? dnt fly what u cant afford to lose then!
YOU screwed up, now either ur freinds are going to have to gank u out of your blunder, or ur going to have to accept ur going to lose ur ship. maybe next time dnt undock in anything valuable without an appropriate escort.
if u think u should have a sure way to get out whilst being bumped, then why shouldnt a hauler in low sec have a sure way of escaping when its tackled by 6 ppl?
the answer is: it shouldnt, the hauler should avoid getting tackled in the first place, which is why u should avoid getting bumped in the first place.
or just maybe u shouldnt be playing this game. its hard, mean and unforgiving. but its ok, there are other games that will hold ur hand.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Travasty Space
Pilots of Epic
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:53:00 -
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Estrella Sheikh wrote: When's the last time a Titan was tackled by a bumper in high sec? Or Low sec? or.. ever?
http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/01/10/eve-evolved-five-interesting-combat-tactics-part-2/print/
This will do for the moment. There a specific example I'm trying to find about this where there was a titan that was bumped out of slowcat rep range so the slowcats were used as half fleets and cyno'd in near/on the titan as the enemy was bumping the titan away from slowcats. |
Estrella Sheikh
Apex Inc Carthage Empires
27
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:53:00 -
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Cathy Mikakka wrote:Ammzi wrote:Motoko Innocentius wrote:- Once bumped, can not be in anyway escaped from Wrong, reference all my other posts and your lack of imagination+ingame knowledge. Motoko Innocentius wrote:- Creates risk free ganking (target cannot escape, sufficient numbers can be gotten with time, unlimited planning time) Risk free!? Hahahahha. Completely and utterly wrong. You haven't said a single thing on how to escape except "call yo corp bros" one. Which makes no sense unless you want to gank the bumper? And what risk do gankers risk while doing this?
It's like everyone ignores my "Exit warp to gate and pick a celestial/station that you're best aligned to and make attempts. If a Battleship is bumping you it will provide you ample momentum, it's a matter of tricking your bumper into Pushing you in the right direction?
Boom answer right there.
Seriously, Escort Corp will be created soon. |
Motoko Innocentius
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:57:00 -
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The titan was held by warp disruption bubbles, not by bumps. |
Estrella Sheikh
Apex Inc Carthage Empires
28
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:58:00 -
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You see the problem here right? That titan was not tackled by a bumper.
Even worse the titan has a slowcat fleet with him, I imagine he would have proper subcap support, Why in the world would a non-aggressing bumper be left to live In a low/null-sec area and just completely ignored?
Also in this context the titan can also waste a DD if he's that scared. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16692
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Posted - 2014.02.11 21:04:00 -
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JetStream Drenard wrote:Mag's wrote:Please read the thread, you'll find he clarifies that stance. Back to playing devils advocate again... This linked thread is only expounding on miner bumping. I scrolled through all 16 pages and found only 2 DEV posts on page 1. Miner bumping in and of itself is not usually about ganking but griefing AFK miners. If the aforementioned miner warps off to another system and is followed then it is in fact harassment. Therefore, this article does not specifically apply to freighter bumping, because in actuality, the freighter is being prevented from warping off in the first place. So in interpretation of the the DEV bumping post, bumping freighters COULD be construed as harassment, since you are preventing the freighter from leaving the area, and would be handled on a case by case basis by CCP. I play devils advocate when I try to put myself in the position of the single account player, with no (or no available) friends. In this instance, the single account player's ONLY recourse is to petition for harassment and hope that CCP agrees. I guess you would have to prove that you were not on autopilot as well. WITHOUT a clear CCP ruling on freighter bumping specifically, we will never really know... But they have made a clear ruling. The thread is specifically named, GM Response On Bumping and it does not specify only mining ships, it states the following.
"CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another playerGÇÖs ship as an exploit."
Also please read the following link. It is the Eve search version of the thread I Iinked. A thread of someone complaining of a freighter being bumped for over an hour.
I get it that people do not like the ruling, but it is clear and it does cover all ships.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1057
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Posted - 2014.02.11 21:10:00 -
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Batelle wrote: Freighter doesn't need to be afk to be bumped forever. Logging off or DT does not allow the freighter to escape. What you are saying here, is that if one person or multiple persons decides to hellcamp a freighter's logoff point in hisec, that this is okay, and the freighter pilot has no recourse but to eject or self destruct in order to escape, or wait out his harassers, potentially forever.
While I have described an extreme situation, certainly, but my point is to illustrate that a limit should exist (and does exist) even if that limit is subjective.
if the freighter has logged off for an hour or two before logging back on and comes back to the same camping bumpers who are waiting just for him that could be deliberate targetting. if it keeps happening, petition, see what happens. but we shouldnt be creating rules based on such extreme and hypothetical circumstances.
what happens right now is ppl are targeted for their valuable cargo and are held in order to be ganked. this is not harassment, nor an exploit.
i imagine there are cases where ppl are bumped for griefing purposes only (without ransom). but i have yet to hear of any cases lasting long enough to be what i consider a problem.
i dnt see any reason to give a ruling as to how long u can bump someone. even if it takes an hour to gather a gank squad, then it was clear the bumper was holding the freighter for such purposes and is fine. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Travasty Space
Pilots of Epic
70
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Posted - 2014.02.11 21:11:00 -
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Estrella Sheikh wrote:You see the problem here right? That titan was not tackled by a bumper. Even worse the titan has a slowcat fleet with him, I imagine he would have proper subcap support, Why in the world would a non-aggressing bumper be left to live In a low/null-sec area and just completely ignored? Also in this context the titan can also waste a DD if he's that scared.
"Bumping has been employed in the destruction of numerous titans to prevent them from aligning to warp. It was also the only way to prevent a mothership from escaping in low security space prior to the invention of Heavy Interdictors with their focused warp disruption fields."
Just highlighting the important bits. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1057
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Posted - 2014.02.11 21:20:00 -
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Mag's wrote:" CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another playerGÇÖs ship as an exploit." Also please read the following link. It is the Eve search version of the thread I Iinked. A thread of someone complaining of a freighter being bumped for over an hour. I get it that people do not like the ruling, but it is clear and it does cover all ships.
i need a bigger signature EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
194
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Posted - 2014.02.11 22:06:00 -
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I just wanna clear up one MASSIVE common misconception in this thread:
Gankers aren't whining about 'Oh I'll need more ships' or 'Oh it'll be hard.'
Gankers aren't saying 'No' to your 'give me a super freighter' requests because it'll make their life more difficult. There will still be plenty of people who fail to take care of their super freighters and get themselves ganked.
Gankers in this thread are telling you 'No' because Eve doesn't need Super Freighters, nor do mechanics need to be changed. We're familiar with many forms of PVP. Ganking is much more detail intensive than orbit/F1 monkeying. We're okay with things being hard. It's what makes the game fun for us. We're NOT okay with the ignorant and lazy whinging in overly discussed mini-threadnaughts until they get their way and are able to continue being ridiculously lazy and ignorant as a result. We're saying 'No' because we've given you as many ways to avoid the gank as you've given us excuses that it can't be done. We've acknowledged that yes, from time to time, even the best efforts to avoid a gank will still not be enough. But as many times as it isn't, it will be. That's the way it should be.
Ganker's aren't in these threads trying to protect their way of life. Ganking is just ONE PVP method open to us. We're in these threads protecting the Nature behind Eve. That nature is this:
Eve is a PVP game, at its heart and design. Eve is not designed to cater to those who are unwilling to adapt and learn. Eve is a game for the opportunist, the tactician, and the Planner. Eve is not a game for the lazy, ignorant, or foolish.
If you can spend hours putting time into market PVP, then you can spend an hour to hire an escort for your profits, or 10 minutes to contract it to Red Frog who DO freighter correctly.
If you can spend days mining your empire, you can spend hours securing its future by planning proper logistics.
And if you can't.... then you weren't ready for it anyway.
Eve is built around those who seize opportunity. That's why you read so many stories of alliances and coalitions brought to their knees by one patient, well placed spy. That's why you read so many stories of super and titan kills planned for weeks, and executed in one flawless sweep. No where in Eve's design or history has the lazy, uninformed, unmotivated individual came out better off. They may get lucky from time to time, but that luck always comes back around.
These threads aren't about gankers crying that it'll be too hard to do what they do. They'll adapt and find new targets or better ways. The ganked, the cow led to slaughter, will not, and we'll only see a new round of 'Buff my ship and make the dirty mean pirates illegal' threads spawn. These threads are about those who refuse to adapt, expand their knowledge, or change their ways. Let's get that point straight. These threads aren't about the gankers. These are about the ganked.
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