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Mag's
the united SCUM.
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:32:00 -
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Why freighter bumping in High Sec is NOT an exploit.
This is a sandbox MMO and you have options. Stop asking for CCP to hold your hand, because you do not wish to employ those options. Or you think :effort:. Do those options mean you are perfectly safe? No and they shouldn't mean that, but you can reduce the risk using those options. The options available have been suggested many times, time to start using them.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3497
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:36:00 -
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A few things:
1.) The cost of goods in your freighter is irrelevant to this discussion. You control how much you put in your cargo hold, so it is YOUR fault if you are a flying pinata!
2.) The cost of a freighter, of ABC's, and dessies is completely irrelevant to this discussion. Those ships are fairly well balanced in terms of combat effectiveness and build costs. If they are effective for ganking, deal with it. Suicide ganking has taken many nerfs over the last several years, especially in terms of no-more-insurance payouts on suicide ganks. The addition of attack BC's to this game is hardly noteworthy compared to that nerf.
3.) I don't believe bumping should be an "exploit", and support keeping bumping as is.
4.) I acknowledge there is a problem here. It is poor game play when someone can keep your freighter indefinitely stuck in system simply by bumping your ship. The freighter pilot has no means of defending themselves from this, and is completely stuck.
Unfortunately, I don't know what the solution is: Bumping is a decent mechanic with many legit uses (bumping players out of a POS, bumping them away from a gate or station, etc). You can't give a bumper a suspect flag without causing massive chaos in the trade hubs. So, how do we implement a solution?
The problem is that it is too late to save your ship by the time someone is bumping it. You've ALREADY lost at that point, you just didn't realize why. Stopping the incoming suicide gankers should not be a priority. The only priority should be preventing the abuse of this situation. To do that, you need to implement a "Hurry up and gank me or you'll lose the opportunity" type mechanic.
I imagine a new deployable for this:
Road Side Service Deployable: Launch it from your freighter to deploy it in space. Once deployed, you can activate a "Road Side Service Call". After the call goes out, some NPC agents will arrive and tow (teleport) your ship to the closest station in System. There is your get out of jail free card, but this needs to be balanced:
1.) The Road Side Service Device prevents your ship from leaving grid (i.e. it warp disrupts you). This is so the towing NPC's know where to find your ship.
2.) Tower Union laws require them to drive very carefully, so don't expect a quick tow. A 15 minute response time seems about right, but perhaps if you are a premium customer (with an advanced Road Side Service Device), they will respond more quickly (5-10 minutes).
3.) If the Road Side Service Deployable is destroyed to towers won't know where to find you. Luckily, the device has non-negligible EHP (40k EHP) and can sustain some damage, although it is very susceptible to prolonged aggression.
Other nooks and crannies: As your deployable, people that can legally engage you may legally engage it. If there is no station in system, it won't function. Only the ship that deploys this unit may utilize it. |
Travasty Space
Pilots of Epic
64
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:38:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:
You can time your webs, but if your freighter is bumped or gets bumped in time, webs are pointless.
I'm just going to point out that put freighters into warp in 1 second after they decloak, upwards of 5 times faster then anyone can bump you. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16636
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:45:00 -
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Travasty Space wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:
You can time your webs, but if your freighter is bumped or gets bumped in time, webs are pointless. I'm just going to point out that put freighters into warp in 1 second after they decloak, upwards of 5 times faster then anyone can bump you. I'm not sure about 1 second, but it is fast for sure.
For those that do not know or understand how the game works, it makes no difference where the ship is pointed when you enter a system through a gate as you are not moving. Even if you are visually pointed in the opposite direction, your ship will enter warp in exactly the same time, as it would if you face the right direction.
This is one of the reasons, why webbing fleet ships work so well on freighters. But I do suggest practising your timing and using comms.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Cassie Helio
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
8
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:45:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Why freighter bumping in High Sec is NOT an exploit.This is a sandbox MMO and you have options. Stop asking for CCP to hold your hand, because you do not wish to employ those options. Or you think :effort:. Do those options mean you are perfectly safe? No and they shouldn't mean that, but you can reduce the risk using those options. The options available have been suggested many times, time to start using them.
That is in the context of miner bumping which is why I mentioned that in my original post. Miners were being bumped off of their rocks and then the rocks are held ransom to let the miner continue to shoot the rocks. But the miner has the option leave which a freighter does not. I've never see a definite post from CCP on freighter ganking |
Cassie Helio
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
8
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:48:00 -
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Travasty Space wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:
You can time your webs, but if your freighter is bumped or gets bumped in time, webs are pointless. I'm just going to point out that put freighters into warp in 1 second after they decloak, upwards of 5 times faster then anyone can bump you.
I used a webber all the time but my freighter has landed on grid next to a Machariel before and was decloaked automatically. There was no time for my webs to hit my freighter before the bump occurred. The issue is the exploit in the bumping mechanic itself. Once the exploit is started there is no retaliation against it. Luckily that time my freighter was empty. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16636
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:48:00 -
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Cassie Helio wrote:Mag's wrote:Why freighter bumping in High Sec is NOT an exploit.This is a sandbox MMO and you have options. Stop asking for CCP to hold your hand, because you do not wish to employ those options. Or you think :effort:. Do those options mean you are perfectly safe? No and they shouldn't mean that, but you can reduce the risk using those options. The options available have been suggested many times, time to start using them. That is in the context of miner bumping which is why I mentioned that in my original post. Miners were being bumped off of their rocks and then the rocks are held ransom to let the miner continue to shoot the rocks. But the miner has the option leave which a freighter does not. I've never see a definite post from CCP on freighter ganking No it's not just about miner bumping, it's in regards to the bumping of another players ship.
Quote:CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another playerGÇÖs ship as an exploit.
You may not like the ruling, but it is quite clear.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2706
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:51:00 -
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Cassie Helio wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Invest in a couple of smartbombing battleships or gank the bumper. This is not an option in high sec. If you attack the bumper you will be CONCORDed. It's an option, you're just not prepared to look at it, which is unfortunate as it is the most effective way of keeping your ship alive. You choose the value of your own ship and loot, and when you choose not to counter-gank, you've decided that your freighter and cargo is worth less than the cost 5-10 catalysts. If it's worth so little, why are you even complaining?
Oh god. |
Cassie Helio
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
8
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:52:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Cassie Helio wrote:Mag's wrote:Why freighter bumping in High Sec is NOT an exploit.This is a sandbox MMO and you have options. Stop asking for CCP to hold your hand, because you do not wish to employ those options. Or you think :effort:. Do those options mean you are perfectly safe? No and they shouldn't mean that, but you can reduce the risk using those options. The options available have been suggested many times, time to start using them. That is in the context of miner bumping which is why I mentioned that in my original post. Miners were being bumped off of their rocks and then the rocks are held ransom to let the miner continue to shoot the rocks. But the miner has the option leave which a freighter does not. I've never see a definite post from CCP on freighter ganking No it's not just about miner bumping, it's in regards to the bumping of another players ship. Quote:CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another playerGÇÖs ship as an exploit. You may not like the ruling, but it is quite clear.
The bumping itself is not an exploit, what I am saying is that bumping a freighter in high sec is an exploit of that mechanic because there isn't anything that you or anyone else can do to stop it or prevent it. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16636
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:54:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Cassie Helio wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Invest in a couple of smartbombing battleships or gank the bumper. This is not an option in high sec. If you attack the bumper you will be CONCORDed. It's an option, you're just not prepared to look at it, which is unfortunate as it is the most effective way of keeping your ship alive. You choose the value of your own ship and loot, and when you choose not to counter-gank, you've decided that your freighter and cargo is worth less than the cost 5-10 catalysts. If it's worth so little, why are you even complaining? They don't want to use certain options apparently. It seems to be OK for the aggressor to lose ships when suicide ganking them, but they do not wish to lose any ship whatsoever to save their cargo.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
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Cassie Helio
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
8
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:54:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Cassie Helio wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Invest in a couple of smartbombing battleships or gank the bumper. This is not an option in high sec. If you attack the bumper you will be CONCORDed. It's an option, you're just not prepared to look at it, which is unfortunate as it is the most effective way of keeping your ship alive. You choose the value of your own ship and loot, and when you choose not to counter-gank, you've decided that your freighter and cargo is worth less than the cost 5-10 catalysts. If it's worth so little, why are you even complaining?
You shouldn't be forced to aggress first and lose your ship when the player is actually aggressing you but it just not being recognized by the current system. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16638
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:55:00 -
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Cassie Helio wrote:Mag's wrote:Cassie Helio wrote:Mag's wrote:Why freighter bumping in High Sec is NOT an exploit.This is a sandbox MMO and you have options. Stop asking for CCP to hold your hand, because you do not wish to employ those options. Or you think :effort:. Do those options mean you are perfectly safe? No and they shouldn't mean that, but you can reduce the risk using those options. The options available have been suggested many times, time to start using them. That is in the context of miner bumping which is why I mentioned that in my original post. Miners were being bumped off of their rocks and then the rocks are held ransom to let the miner continue to shoot the rocks. But the miner has the option leave which a freighter does not. I've never see a definite post from CCP on freighter ganking No it's not just about miner bumping, it's in regards to the bumping of another players ship. Quote:CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another playerGÇÖs ship as an exploit. You may not like the ruling, but it is quite clear. The bumping itself is not an exploit, what I am saying is that bumping a freighter in high sec is an exploit of that mechanic because there isn't anything that you or anyone else can do to stop it or prevent it. But there are things you can do, so therefore your argument is not valid.
You may not like certain options, but hey, welcome to Eve.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2707
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:07:00 -
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Cassie Helio wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Cassie Helio wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Invest in a couple of smartbombing battleships or gank the bumper. This is not an option in high sec. If you attack the bumper you will be CONCORDed. It's an option, you're just not prepared to look at it, which is unfortunate as it is the most effective way of keeping your ship alive. You choose the value of your own ship and loot, and when you choose not to counter-gank, you've decided that your freighter and cargo is worth less than the cost 5-10 catalysts. If it's worth so little, why are you even complaining? You shouldn't be forced to aggress first and lose your ship when the player is actually aggressing you but it just not being recognized by the current system.
You're not forced to, but the ownership of your property is being contested and if you care about it, you should probably do something about it. You said yourself, the BS keeps you bumped for a long time while the gankers log in, you could have your own gankers en route to you during that time. Maybe you could suggest it to your alliance leader, also it's probably best to use arty Thrashers.
Oh god. |
Claud Tiberius
Falcon United
6
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:41:00 -
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Ganking in high sec space is fine, so long as there is a significant cost (at present there is concord destroying your ship).
But if you are able to "tackle" a freighter in high sec space, without going into suspect status, thus taking no risk until your reinforcements arrive, that is exploitative. Bumping is a tackle.
Freighters in high sec space should not be expected to have personal guards, when at peace. Especially when high sec space is claimed to be a safe area for neutral members.
If someone wants to destroy a Freighter, they should declare war, or do it in lower sec space. That way the amount of risk and reward are balanced (irrelevant to if you want to loot or not. Destroying something, especially a capital ship, can still a reward in itself).
Capital ships should be immune to bumping from small ships. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2707
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:46:00 -
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Claud Tiberius wrote:Especially when high sec space is claimed to be a safe area for neutral members. Where did you learn this?
Oh god. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2417
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:54:00 -
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Claud Tiberius wrote:
Capital ships should be immune to bumping from small ships.
But a plated MWD stabber has more kinetic energy than a freighter at full speed. Why should it not be able to affect the bigger ship's course? |
Claud Tiberius
Falcon United
6
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Posted - 2014.02.06 00:59:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Claud Tiberius wrote:Especially when high sec space is claimed to be a safe area for neutral members. Where did you learn this? https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Highsec
Isn't is also fairly obvious? Are you going to fly a freighter in lowSec that has pirates and corps who will attack without hesitation and without any risk. Or would you fly in highSec that has stations who refuse pirate docking, a larger player population that will often attack suspects, and concord who try to prevent pvp by guaranteeing that aggressors will lose their ships in acts of aggression without reason (no war was declared, not a war target, not a suspect).
Danika Princip wrote:Claud Tiberius wrote:Capital ships should be immune to bumping from small ships. But a plated MWD stabber has more kinetic energy than a freighter at full speed. Why should it not be able to affect the bigger ship's course? If we are going to get physical between ships where we allow bumping, then why not allow ship collisions as well? It runs by the same logic you use and is more appropriate for the game play, because in a collision, usually, something is destroyed. Furthermore, if there are no collisions and only bumping, what is the risk involved? Simply, there is no risk. The OP has already stated there is nothing you can do to a random aggressor, until they open fire. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2709
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:10:00 -
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Claud Tiberius wrote:https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Highsec That says the complete opposite of what you think it does.
Quote:Isn't is also fairly obvious? The only thing that's obvious are the immortal words of Lil B, a.k.a BasedGod.
If you can't do 10, then I don't want ****. If you can't do 5, then you must be a *****. Get out the game if you can't hit a lick.
Lil B is actually talking about doing jail time for armed robbery, but I think it translates quite nicely into Eve online, especially if you think of 5 and 10 as negative sec status.
Edit: I think it's fairly obvious, but the 'Get out the game' part is literally telling you to biomass. I think Lil B probably plays Eve online secretly. Oh god. |
Cassie Helio
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
8
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:40:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote: You're not forced to, but the ownership of your property is being contested and if you care about it, you should probably do something about it. You said yourself, the BS keeps you bumped for a long time while the gankers log in, you could have your own gankers en route to you during that time. Maybe you could suggest it to your alliance leader, also it's probably best to use arty Thrashers.
I thought about this some more and at first I thought it was a good idea but then I remembered sec status. A defense team would be taking huge sec status hits each time it tries to defend against someone who has found a way to tackle without getting an aggression timer and the bumper get no sec status hit at all. A defense squad eventually would not be able to come into high sec.
The way gankers stay in high sec is ,since they make profit on ganks, they buy tags to raise their sec status while a defense squad would not have that luxury. Again, the system is set up in the favor for tackling a freighter by bumping with no consequences. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2419
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:43:00 -
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Cassie Helio wrote:Riot Girl wrote: You're not forced to, but the ownership of your property is being contested and if you care about it, you should probably do something about it. You said yourself, the BS keeps you bumped for a long time while the gankers log in, you could have your own gankers en route to you during that time. Maybe you could suggest it to your alliance leader, also it's probably best to use arty Thrashers.
I thought about this some more and at first I thought it was a good idea but then I remembered sec status. A defense team would be taking huge sec status hits each time it tries to defend against someone who has found a way to tackle without getting an aggression timer and the bumper get no sec status hit at all. A defense squad eventually would not be able to come into high sec. The way gankers stay in high sec is ,since they make profit on ganks, they buy tags to raise their sec status while a defense squad would not have that luxury. Again, the system is set up in the favor for tackling a freighter by bumping with no consequences.
What about the gank squads who don't do that at all and just ignore their sec status? |
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Cassie Helio
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
8
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:52:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Cassie Helio wrote:Riot Girl wrote: You're not forced to, but the ownership of your property is being contested and if you care about it, you should probably do something about it. You said yourself, the BS keeps you bumped for a long time while the gankers log in, you could have your own gankers en route to you during that time. Maybe you could suggest it to your alliance leader, also it's probably best to use arty Thrashers.
I thought about this some more and at first I thought it was a good idea but then I remembered sec status. A defense team would be taking huge sec status hits each time it tries to defend against someone who has found a way to tackle without getting an aggression timer and the bumper get no sec status hit at all. A defense squad eventually would not be able to come into high sec. The way gankers stay in high sec is ,since they make profit on ganks, they buy tags to raise their sec status while a defense squad would not have that luxury. Again, the system is set up in the favor for tackling a freighter by bumping with no consequences. What about the gank squads who don't do that at all and just ignore their sec status?
It can't be ignore forever because eventually their sec status will be so low that they are criminal upon entering high sec and are attacked by CONCORD. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2709
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:59:00 -
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Cassie Helio wrote:Riot Girl wrote: You're not forced to, but the ownership of your property is being contested and if you care about it, you should probably do something about it. You said yourself, the BS keeps you bumped for a long time while the gankers log in, you could have your own gankers en route to you during that time. Maybe you could suggest it to your alliance leader, also it's probably best to use arty Thrashers.
I thought about this some more and at first I thought it was a good idea but then I remembered sec status. A defense team would be taking huge sec status hits each time it tries to defend against someone who has found a way to tackle without getting an aggression timer and the bumper get no sec status hit at all. A defense squad eventually would not be able to come into high sec. The way gankers stay in high sec is ,since they make profit on ganks, they buy tags to raise their sec status while a defense squad would not have that luxury. Again, the system is set up in the favor for tackling a freighter by bumping with no consequences.
I hate having to tell other people how to play Eve, but if I had my own hauling corp, I'd probably want my own POS in Niarja where I can manufacture gank boats.
Oh god. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2420
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Posted - 2014.02.06 02:00:00 -
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Cassie Helio wrote:
It can't be ignore forever because eventually their sec status will be so low that they are criminal upon entering high sec and are attacked by CONCORD.
Is that actually how it works? Because whenever mine's been too low, I just get chased by the faction navy, who aren't hard to evade.
Also, alt flies ganknado to sfaespot, criminal flies to ganknado, boards, warps to target, shoots, dies. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2709
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Posted - 2014.02.06 02:05:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Is that actually how it works? No. lol.
Oh god. |
JetStream Drenard
EVE University Ivy League
2
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Posted - 2014.02.06 02:40:00 -
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I just don't get bumping as a mechanic to begin with, you ram people at full speed to knock them about. Nevermind the OP for a sec. What are we flying bumper cars? If you "bump" me with your car at full speed, you are going to to some physical damage to both of us (and you better have good insurance). So back to the OP, and all other bumping related activities, it is just a stupid and highly exploitable (by all, I do it too) game mechanic that makes absolutely no friggin sense to even have. But then you start down that road to Newtonian physics, and bullets that pass through objects to strike their target, and then it just devolves into CCP 'not gonna change.' So bring your suicide dessie along for the ride and blow up the bumper so you can align. (btw another pain in the rear, multi-boxing and those discussions too, bleah)
And why exactly dont freighters have any slots to fit mods? another pointed question |
JetStream Drenard
EVE University Ivy League
2
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Posted - 2014.02.06 02:53:00 -
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oh, and just ignore all these cretins who want to make you feel stupid about not knowing how to play eve. The truth is, they know it is a stupid mechanic, but it works in their ganking favor. that is how they have fun and they are going to post all kinds of nasty about dealing with it and such. A freighter is like a brick wall and if you drive full speed into a brick wall, what should happen with real physics. Truth is, CCP doesnt care because it is an isk sink (they are a business after all), as mentioned, which only allows the gankers to win. Also you might find that after a week or month you get sick of tagging along with another dessie character and you stop doing it, then the gankers win. Only CCP can change it and they probably never will (since you can be SURE you are not the first person to post something along this line), so deal with it |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
155
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Posted - 2014.02.06 02:57:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Red Frog freighters can be bumped as well; what kind of logic is that, if I may ask?
- Have fun trying to bump a destroyer, which is at full speed flying to your freighter.
- You can time your webs, but if your freighter is bumped or gets bumped in time, webs are pointless.
- My point, invalidating your previous point.
- You can wait for it to bump your freighter and then it's too late to kill it and you waste your cruiser.
- I don't see how playbooks are connected to the issue, but my box is fairly wide already. Maybe you should switch from your playdoo box back into the topic related box. How does that sound?
- If the gankers see your friends, they simply kill the wreck with a remaining ship before it gets concorded. Reading comprehension skill injected yet?
- Numerous people have tried already. Is that not enough try yet? Maybe it's just a theory that needs more proof? Sounds fun.
- No, not every ship is a cow. Most other ships have means to defend themselves, freighters have none. Bringing friends is your only solution to this, as I see. How about you jump out of your box of friends and at least try to consider that friends are NOT the solution to everything: friends cannot be everywhere, friends cannot be online all the times, friends can be occupied with other things, while you have to move their stuff, friends (in this case rather just corp members) might also just don't care about your hauling business. Friends is NOT the solution, it is but ONE way to alleviate the symptoms of a problem.
You have repeatedly demonstrated your inability to Eve.
Please uninstall :)
And Like it or not, Bro, in Eve, Friends ARE the answer to everything.
As for the rest of the thread, there are as many ways to neutralize, dissuade, and/or defeat a gank as there are to gank, in fact more. The 'Pirate Denizens' have been telling you all along how to beat us. High sec Carebears are the the Proverbial Horse that has been led to water. We have led you to the water. We have offered you the water. We have tried to force the water down your throats. You refuse to drink.
You refuse to listen to people who have a FAR greater understanding of PVP/aggression/module mechanics.
(Insert every ganker and Pirate and Nullbear that has ever said 'Hey Just do this and we can p much not catch you')
You refuse to implement the very simple things we suggest because they are 'inconvenient.'
(Insert Friends, paying freight services a TINY fee to get them to move your stuff, hire escort, use orca, etc etc etc etc)
And you refuse to Innovate, adapt to Eve as it evolves and grows.
(Insert unending stream of ganked freighters)
May the gankers litter space with your broken ships.
The Law is a point of View |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16640
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Posted - 2014.02.06 03:00:00 -
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Cassie Helio wrote:Danika Princip wrote:
What about the gank squads who don't do that at all and just ignore their sec status?
It can't be ignore forever because eventually their sec status will be so low that they are criminal upon entering high sec and are attacked by CONCORD. Concord do not care about your sec status, unless you are in there sov. Which is not the same thing now is it?
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Cassie Helio
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
8
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Posted - 2014.02.06 04:57:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Cassie Helio wrote:Danika Princip wrote:
What about the gank squads who don't do that at all and just ignore their sec status?
It can't be ignore forever because eventually their sec status will be so low that they are criminal upon entering high sec and are attacked by CONCORD. Concord do not care about your sec status, unless you are in there sov. Which is not the same thing now is it?
I realize now I was wrong about CONCORD attacking your ship in high sec if you are a pirate, it is actually the faction police. The point is that having a "gank defense fleet" that is forced to go criminal against players that are using a loophole to specifically NOT go criminal is a broken system.
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
372
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Posted - 2014.02.06 07:26:00 -
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Not gonna read 3 pages since I gatther its the usual case of htfu..if not asked yet already, who did you **** off to where they think a night of bumping your frieighter is a worthwhile use of time? and what did you do to get them that motivated to do this?
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