Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Claud Tiberius
Falcon United
6
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 00:01:00 -
[31] - Quote
- Scams are active because of human error and foolishness. However they are not easy to pull off, easy to detect and easy to avoid.
- Bumping (depending on what you are bumping) is mostly an exploit. Although rare as well, will hopefully be changed one day.
- Low security space is a bad place for making profits, but it is mostly risk (pvp) free. The safety of high sec space is reduced when players are in their own corps. High Sec Space Its designed for new players and people who want to play it slow and safe. They shouldn't be at risk of being attacked by older accounts or people who want to pvp. They are in high sec space for a reason.
- If you want more PVP in your EVE life you have low and null space right there. Its full of suitable targets.
|
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16640
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 00:04:00 -
[32] - Quote
Claud Tiberius wrote:Bumping (depending on what you are bumping) is mostly an exploit. Except it is not an exploit and only when you break certain guidelines, will CCP act against you. The act of bumping has been ruled upon already, get over it.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2418
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 00:10:00 -
[33] - Quote
Call it 10k alpha for a tornado. Now, if your blinged out marauder does not have 80k EHP on it's weakest resist, maybe you should just change your fitting? A T2 vargur fit I slapped together in five minutes tops out at 115k EHP in it's weakest resist, and that's without travel fitting in any way. If I refit a couple of things I hit 181k EHP on the weakest resist, and it's not like the thing doesn't have enough cargohold for a depot to refit to combat later. (I know it's not the golem you're talking about, but I don't have a fit for one of those. Don't they tank harder than vargurs anyway?)
At what, 70 million per tornado, that means it'll cost 1.3 billion to gank it, meaning you can bling it out to 1.5, maybe 2bil if you're feeling brave.
To make yourself even stronger, plug in some tanky implants, bring a logi in support, or a falcon., or an alt in a bloody ibis.
Marauder ganks are usually people shooting through a resist hole on an active tanked ship while it's modules are turned off, correct? The answer here is simple. Massive buffer fit for moving, never autopilot, and watch your dscan while you're in sites.
Of course, if you particularly feel the need to run 40 billion plus in modules on your marauder, there's nothing that can be done to help you. Have you read this article? It goes in to detail about why that kind of a fit is completely pointless.
http://themittani.com/features/alod-return-investment
And by the way: Can you justify one player being completely immune to the actions of ten or more co-operating in a multiplayer game, simply because the one spent more spacegold? |
Gigan Amilupar
No Code of Conduct Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
156
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 00:16:00 -
[34] - Quote
EvE is a competitive game, whether you PvE or PvP. Gankers killing you to make a profit are competing for isk. Gankers killing you for lols are competing for entertainment. That miner clearing out belts? He's competing with other miners for resources, which then become isk or ships. Low-sec warriors killing each other are competing for honor and fun. Null sec entities massacring titans in B-R are competing for strategic objectives, fun and space fame. Missioners who farm isk and bling their ships? Even they are competing with themselves, how can they make the process more efficient, more fun. There is absolutely nothing wrong with players destroying each other for their own reasons, because it is inherently competition for SOMETHING. It's a pursuit of entertainment in a competitive game. You should consider what you did wrong, what you did right, and then compete with yourself to do better, to mission faster, but with less risk, if missioning is what you enjoy. And perhaps, even if you are frustrated at your loss, consider what the gankers did to arrive at their goal, and how they had to compete for it; even if you don't agree with it or find that brand of competition unappealing.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Qalix
Long Jump.
84
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 00:41:00 -
[35] - Quote
Mag's wrote:Claud Tiberius wrote:Bumping (depending on what you are bumping) is mostly an exploit. Except it is not an exploit and only when you break certain guidelines, will CCP act against you. The act of bumping has been ruled upon already, get over it. The only reason they've ruled that way is that there is basically nothing they can do to change it through the code. Bumping is one of the worst game mechanics in hisec. The whole concept of aggressing someone without aggressing them is problematic for all sorts of reasons.
But, nothing can be done coding wise. I've often wondered what would happen if a corp went to the gates leading into and out of Uedama and Niarja and put up cans/signs that demanded 50mill isk "toll." Don't pay, get bumped. Unless something has changed in the past 6 months or so, it would appear to be a valid tactic. With enough pilots, you could do it indefinitely and shut down hisec freighter traffic. |
Claud Tiberius
Falcon United
6
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 00:43:00 -
[36] - Quote
Mag's wrote:Claud Tiberius wrote:Bumping (depending on what you are bumping) is mostly an exploit. Except it is not an exploit and only when you break certain guidelines, will CCP act against you. The act of bumping has been ruled upon already, get over it. You have any citations? Who's guidelines? When and where was it made official that bumping is "ok"?
Mag's wrote:Claud Tiberius wrote:The safety of high sec space is reduced when players are in their own corps. High Sec Space Its designed for new players and people who want to play it slow and safe. They shouldn't be at risk of being attacked by older accounts or people who want to pvp. They are in high sec space for a reason. High security, not safe security. High Security is not Safe Security? How is High Security space not safer then the others?
Mag's wrote:Although starter systems have rules and restrictions, high sec is as free for all as everywhere else. It just has higher penalties.
Stop trying to change Eve into something it never was and never should be. A theme-park. We know the restrictions. What is your point?
No body is saying that it should become a theme park. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2418
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 01:02:00 -
[37] - Quote
safer, not safe. |
Sigras
Conglomo
663
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 01:29:00 -
[38] - Quote
Allow me to explain something. In Eve everything is PvP.
When you camp a gate, of course that is PvP
When you take and hold sov, of course that is PvP
When you run an incursion, you're taking up the incursion complexes meaning nobody else can do them and thus you are competing with other players. PvP
When you build something and sell it on the market you are selling to a buy order meaning less people can sell their goods to that buy order, and thus you are competing with other players. PvP
When you mine minerals in an asteroid belt alone, you are making it so that other players cannot get those minerals, and thus you are competing with other players. PvP
When you run level 4 missions alone you are spawning ISK and LP into the game and thereby slightly devaluing the ISK and LP of everyone else in the game, and thus you are competing with other players. PvP
Eve is an extremely competitive game and has done well being such.
I believe that suicide ganking does need to be nerfed, but it should still remain a viable way to make ISK if people are stupid enough.
Let me ask you a question. Why dont you fit blasters to an abaddon? You may say that you could but it's a really stupid idea because an abaddon is too slow and doesnt get any bonuses to blasters, it should fit lasers. Well its the same with bling fitting a ship. Nobody is keeping you from blinging out your ship, it's just a really stupid idea
If you want to run missions in high sec, there are plenty of places that gankers just dont go because they're not very popular. Go run missions there to your heart's content! |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
155
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 02:58:00 -
[39] - Quote
I read Fine, Bro.
All my original statements stand. You just need to understand Eve to understand why.
Again
/thread The Law is a point of View |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16640
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 03:03:00 -
[40] - Quote
Qalix wrote:Mag's wrote:Claud Tiberius wrote:Bumping (depending on what you are bumping) is mostly an exploit. Except it is not an exploit and only when you break certain guidelines, will CCP act against you. The act of bumping has been ruled upon already, get over it. The only reason they've ruled that way is that there is basically nothing they can do to change it through the code. Bumping is one of the worst game mechanics in hisec. The whole concept of aggressing someone without aggressing them is problematic for all sorts of reasons. But, nothing can be done coding wise. I've often wondered what would happen if a corp went to the gates leading into and out of Uedama and Niarja and put up cans/signs that demanded 50mill isk "toll." Don't pay, get bumped. Unless something has changed in the past 6 months or so, it would appear to be a valid tactic. With enough pilots, you could do it indefinitely and shut down hisec freighter traffic. They can do plenty to change it, they choose not to because they like the status quo. It is working as intended.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
|
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16640
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 03:13:00 -
[41] - Quote
Claud Tiberius wrote:You have any citations? Who's guidelines? When and where was it made official that bumping is "ok"? CCP's official line on bumping ships. So you can stop your false claim, that it's an exploit.
Claud Tiberius wrote:High Security is not Safe Security? How is High Security space not safer then the others? It is safer, but not safe.
Claud Tiberius wrote: We know the restrictions. What is your point?
No body is saying that it should become a theme park.
When people ask for a 'safe' high sec, that's exactly what they are after.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1070
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 03:56:00 -
[42] - Quote
Deadonstick wrote:[
A succesful PVPer will be rewarded for being succesful, people will look up to someone with a 98% killboard efficiency for example because it shows skill.
Stopped reading here, because this is complete nonsense. |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
156
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 04:00:00 -
[43] - Quote
Michael Harari wrote:Deadonstick wrote:[
A succesful PVPer will be rewarded for being succesful, people will look up to someone with a 98% killboard efficiency for example because it shows skill. Stopped reading here, because this is complete nonsense.
*Headdesk*
*Headdesk*
*Headdesk*
F1 Monkey
Skillz since 2014.
OP, just stop. Please. The Law is a point of View |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
905
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 05:27:00 -
[44] - Quote
Though I can see the desire to up the punishment for breaking Concord's laws I know the Pro Gank community will scream and shoot at statues if anything like this was implemented. But drawing a little of your idea, I think all loot in High sec should be confiscated by concord to pay for the cost of showing up and blowing up the bad guys (Similar to how the current Real World police confiscate everything and auction it at a crime scene).
So high sec PVP (stifled laugh) is still possible but the rewards are used to pay for the police. Nothing stops them from ganking a 5 billion ISK pimp boat, but if they want to reship they are going to have to find a low sec target or break out the civilian mining lasers.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1070
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 12:13:00 -
[45] - Quote
Goldiiee wrote:Though I can see the desire to up the punishment for breaking Concord's laws I know the Pro Gank community will scream and shoot at statues if anything like this was implemented. But drawing a little of your idea, I think all loot in High sec should be confiscated by concord to pay for the cost of showing up and blowing up the bad guys (Similar to how the current Real World police confiscate everything and auction it at a crime scene).
So high sec PVP (stifled laugh) is still possible but the rewards are used to pay for the police. Nothing stops them from ganking a 5 billion ISK pimp boat, but if they want to reship they are going to have to find a low sec target or break out the civilian mining lasers.
I think CONCORD should also use their awesome super spaceships to eliminate all the highsec NPC pirates themselves.
And asteroid belts shouldnt magically respawn. |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
911
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 16:41:00 -
[46] - Quote
Michael Harari wrote:Goldiiee wrote:Though I can see the desire to up the punishment for breaking Concord's laws I know the Pro Gank community will scream and shoot at statues if anything like this was implemented. But drawing a little of your idea, I think all loot in High sec should be confiscated by concord to pay for the cost of showing up and blowing up the bad guys (Similar to how the current Real World police confiscate everything and auction it at a crime scene).
So high sec PVP (stifled laugh) is still possible but the rewards are used to pay for the police. Nothing stops them from ganking a 5 billion ISK pimp boat, but if they want to reship they are going to have to find a low sec target or break out the civilian mining lasers. I think CONCORD should also use their awesome super spaceships to eliminate all the highsec NPC pirates themselves. And asteroid belts shouldnt magically respawn. Aww isn't that sweet. Real addition to the topic what would the rest of us do without you?
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15889
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 16:59:00 -
[47] - Quote
Deadonstick wrote:About The Game Let me start off by saying that I in no way agree with the statement "EVE is a PVP game", if it was, CCP wouldn't invest nearly as much time as they did in making new PvE content.
CCP disagree, I refer you to the recently published Official New Player FAQ
Page 15 section 5.3 This is because EVE Online is essentially a PvP (Player versus Player) game at its core
Page 21 Introduction Furthermore, as we mentioned previously, once you enter New Eden you must consider every action you take as a form of PvP since this is the core game concept
Page 22 Section 7 Player vs Player The essential core concept of EVE Online is that it is full time PvP in a sandbox environment.
CCP consider Eve to be a PvP game, your thoughts on the matter are irrelevant.
|
Qalix
Long Jump.
91
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 17:15:00 -
[48] - Quote
Mag's wrote:They can do plenty to change it, they choose not to because they like the status quo. It is working as intended. It's been a while since I've read one of these bumping threads, but I was under the impression that there were coding/programming issues that couldn't be resolved without breaking other things. There were a bunch of threads out around the time the freighter gank bumping tactic started to see wide application. Did they improve some other mechanic to give freighters some sort of option for escape? (I've only been subbed sporadically during the last year.) |
RoAnnon
Strategic Acquisitions Group Tactical Research Lab
302
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 20:19:00 -
[49] - Quote
How come nobody ever complains about "non-consensual PVE" when rats attack a group of Hulks mining in a belt? Those innocent miners are not bothering anyone, minding their own business busting rocks, when along comes a group of Guristas frigates that force the miners into combat. In order to continue with their chosen activity of mining ore, the miners MUST devote time and effort to killing the rats. Where's the Justice?? Miners just want to mine, can't we all get along? So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter. |
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
644
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 22:30:00 -
[50] - Quote
Omnathious Deninard wrote:Deadonstick wrote:About The Game
Let me start off by saying that I in no way agree with the statement "EVE is a PVP game". Name any activity in EVE that can be done with out some kind of PVP, that does not necessary mean direct ship vs ship PVP.
PI, research, Datacore agents... those are a few off the top of my head _______________________ http://i.imgur.com/d9Ee2ik.jpg
|
|
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1585
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 22:32:00 -
[51] - Quote
getting ganked doesn't require you to really do anything you don't want to. Its something that happens to you. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15895
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 22:41:00 -
[52] - Quote
Seranova Farreach wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Deadonstick wrote:About The Game
Let me start off by saying that I in no way agree with the statement "EVE is a PVP game". Name any activity in EVE that can be done with out some kind of PVP, that does not necessary mean direct ship vs ship PVP. PI, research, Datacore agents... those are a few off the top of my head With PI you're competing with other players for the available resources : PvP. If you sell the resulting products via the market : PvP. If you keep them for yourself you deprive another player of a sale : PvP. The same goes for datacores, with research (I'm assuming BPOs) you're making your BPO more efficient than another players, thus anything you produce with it to sell is PvP, including copies.
Anything you do that deprives another player the opportunity of a sale or of access to a resource is PvP, anything involving the market is PvP.
|
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2222
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 22:44:00 -
[53] - Quote
Glad to see you back Dead. Ignore the trolls. They are the equivalent of suicide gankers.
High sec needs some kind of better protection against the gankers, and your concept has just as much value as any other concept proposed. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
167
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 22:47:00 -
[54] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Glad to see you back Dead. Ignore the trolls. They are the equivalent of suicide gankers.
High sec needs some kind of better protection against the gankers, and your concept has just as much value as any other concept proposed.
And this is why Carebears are unteachable. We've gone WAY out of our way to try to help.... And you are calling us Trolls because we're trying to help you learn some of the most important things to learn in Eve. Good Job. The Law is a point of View |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13754
|
Posted - 2014.02.06 22:51:00 -
[55] - Quote
Deadonstick wrote:About The Game
Let me start off by saying that I in no way agree with the statement "EVE is a PVP game",
Let me start off by saying that you're 100% wrong, and that everything in your post that follows from your utterly incorrect assumption is thereby also wrong.
1 Kings 12:11
|
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1044
|
Posted - 2014.02.07 00:02:00 -
[56] - Quote
u have got it wrong mate.
eve isnt just a PvP game, its an unforgiving and complex universe full of space bastards and sociopaths where the PvP is mostly non-consensual, and thats the pew pew kind. CCP aren't only ok with this, but it is how they advertise the game to new players. it astonishes me that ppl with ur and dinsdale's attitude still sub to this game despite all the messages sent out by CCP themselves that this is a hostile, real consequences, PvP universe.
i keep telling ppl, if u dnt like the idea of having to defend urself at all times, u've seriously got to ask urself: is this game for u? There are no vets in EVE. Only varying levels of Noobery. |
|
|
|
Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |