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Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.05 21:32:00 -
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Hello everyone, I've been doing L2s with a Vexor and am fast approaching access to L3 agents. My char is 5 weeks old and I enjoyed figuring out how to make good use of the drones and L2 missions are now quite easy.
I'd like to continue my path of flying drone boats, but looking at some of the recommended ships/fittings for L3 (e.g. Myrm or even a Vexor Navy) - my training path will be at least 40 to 50 days long, mostly due to Sentry, combat and turret recommended to reach level V.
I 'd rather not wait this long to start doing L3s. As an example: I looked around and found an interesting Drake fit that seems to allow me to do L3 . It'll take me about 2-3 days to train. So maybe. I should mention that I'm looking to do DED complexes (3/10 and higher).
Any chance I could find a drone boat fit for L3s which will demand less skills? Or should I proceed with the Drake while skilling up my drone boat skills? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Here's my current Vexor setup:
[Vexor, Vexor missions] Drone Damage Amplifier II Damage Control II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Medium Armor Repairer II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Dual 150mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M Dual 150mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M Dual 150mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M Dual 150mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5
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Qalix
Long Jump.
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:02:00 -
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The first time I went through L3 missions on my first character, I did it with a destroyer. After a bit, I moved to a cruiser. It doesn't or shouldn't require 40 to 50 days of training to take on L3s. Min/maxing at this stage isn't necessary. It speeds things up, but that's all.
Sentries for L3s is waaaaay overkill. I would be surprised if you ever needed anything but light drones for L3s. Maybe mediums for larger ships. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:34:00 -
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Getting to L5's for drone and support skills really isn't necessary at all. If you're sticking with Gallente I'd suggest getting into a Myrm, use those high-meta guns, add some tank and a single remote repper to fix your drones, and get a feel for how L3's are different from L2's and how you should adjust your tactics. Once you have an idea on what target you can successfully snipe (ACs), which to sick the mediums vs smalls on, and an idea of DPS put out in L3's in general, you could be ready to go with a faction or higher end ship. The Myrm should work fine until you get there.
If your'e steering toward and Ishtar (which is a hella grear boat with T2 sentries), get the Navy Vexor so you can get a feel for how the cruisers work in missions meant for BCs. I've never had a single problem with Sentry Ishtar in L3's, and while it kind of *IS* overkill for L3's, what's this game if not fodder for overkill? The only time I ever had to bug out was a 5/10 escalation that I honestly didn't gear up for correctly, and didn't want to spend the extra time to go beyond Room #1. Any Sentry ship is outclassed if you're dropped in the middle of a huge pocket of scramming frigates, BCs and BSs... "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:42:00 -
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L3 drone boats: Gila, Myrm, Ishtar. (( Navy vexor to a lesser extent. )) Gnosis because it can with very little skill needed.
Take your pick. |
Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:46:00 -
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Thanks everyone. It looks like the Myrm is my path to L3s. I really like the idea Ginger Barbarella put forward: to try things out and see what works and then adapt. It is easy enough for a noob like me to get prescriptions and try and follow them to the T. The other day I recalled my Hobgobln II's after taking some armour damage, and so I spewed some of my HB I's instead - I was amazed how well they worked - as long as I drew aggro away. |
Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
146
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Posted - 2014.02.06 02:57:00 -
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Don't fall into the trap of thinking you need T2 sentries to do level 3's or even level 4's.
You can do just fine in Level 3's with either T2 Hammerheads or T1 Ogres, either in a Myrmidon or a Domi.
If you want to go to sentries, T1 sentries aren't bad as long as you've got a drone boat and the right drone modules to back them up. While you are skilling up to T2 sentries, the faction Garde/Wardens are actually really nice and worth using.
If your overall goal is to get into level 4's, you may as well just jump right into the Dominix and forget the Myrm entirely. |
Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.02.06 14:03:00 -
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Gianath wrote:
If you want to go to sentries, T1 sentries aren't bad as long as you've got a drone boat and the right drone modules to back them up. While you are skilling up to T2 sentries, the faction Garde/Wardens are actually really nice and worth using.
Thank you!
Which of the drone skills should I build up immediately for L3?
I currently have the following:
Combat drone operation: 3 Drone durability: 3 Drone Navigation: 3 Drone Sharpshooting: 4 Drones: 5 Gallente Drone Specialization: 2 Heavy Drone Operation: 1 Scout Drone Operation: 5 Sentry Drone Interfacing: 1 |
unidenify
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.06 18:27:00 -
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Jeedmo Dorn wrote:Gianath wrote:
If you want to go to sentries, T1 sentries aren't bad as long as you've got a drone boat and the right drone modules to back them up. While you are skilling up to T2 sentries, the faction Garde/Wardens are actually really nice and worth using.
Thank you! Which of the drone skills should I build up immediately for L3? I currently have the following: Combat drone operation: 3 Drone durability: 3 Drone Navigation: 3 Drone Sharpshooting: 4 Drones: 5 Gallente Drone Specialization: 2 Heavy Drone Operation: 1 Scout Drone Operation: 5 Sentry Drone Interfacing: 1
I see you can use T2 light which is more than enough for L3
but I don't see Drone Interfacing (it give 20% bonus to damage per level) get it to 3 or 4 and watch your T2 light eat everything in L3 |
Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.02.06 19:48:00 -
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Gianath wrote:
but I don't see Drone Interfacing (it give 20% bonus to damage per level) get it to 3 or 4 and watch your T2 light eat everything in L3
Thanks for noticing Gianath. I forgot to list Drone Interfacing. It's trained to 4.
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unidenify
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.06 19:56:00 -
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Jeedmo Dorn wrote:Gianath wrote:
but I don't see Drone Interfacing (it give 20% bonus to damage per level) get it to 3 or 4 and watch your T2 light eat everything in L3
Thanks for noticing Gianath. I forgot to list Drone Interfacing. It's trained to 4. then in this case, you should be good to go for L3 unless you don't have Myrm which get very short training to use.
then at this point, you have 2 choice, max out your cruiser skills and try other stuff like DED complex
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start to train for Domi and T2 Sentry for L4 mission. |
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Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:18:00 -
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Word of advise about ogres. Unless you are within 10km of them don't expect them to make it back to your ship before they get blown up. All drones pop easier recently, but heavies and especially ogres (since they are the slowest), are easy to lose.
T2 Lights and Mediums are awesome, they can get volleyd off the field but I see it much less than with ogres. |
Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:03:00 -
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unidenify wrote:Jeedmo Dorn wrote:Gianath wrote:
but I don't see Drone Interfacing (it give 20% bonus to damage per level) get it to 3 or 4 and watch your T2 light eat everything in L3
Thanks for noticing Gianath. I forgot to list Drone Interfacing. It's trained to 4. then in this case, you should be good to go for L3 unless you don't have Myrm which get very short training to use. then at this point, you have 2 choice, max out your cruiser skills and try other stuff like DED complex or start to train for Domi and T2 Sentry for L4 mission.
Good stuff. I have a couple of questions:
1. How far up the DED complex rating can I go with a maxed out cruiser skills + Myrm? 2. Which activities did you enjoy more - L4s or DED complexes?
Thanks again. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1871
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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:04:00 -
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Noxisia Arkana wrote: Word of advise about ogres. Unless you are within 10km of them don't expect them to make it back to your ship before they get blown up. All drones pop easier recently, but heavies and especially ogres (since they are the slowest), are easy to lose.
T2 Lights and Mediums are awesome, they can get volleyd off the field but I see it much less than with ogres.
This. I haven't used a heavy in over 6 years, and haven't looked back. T2 Sentries should ALWAYS be a goal for someone into drones: T1 and faction don't compare, but they will teach you how to actually use sentries. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
unidenify
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:05:00 -
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Jeedmo Dorn wrote:unidenify wrote:Jeedmo Dorn wrote:Gianath wrote:
but I don't see Drone Interfacing (it give 20% bonus to damage per level) get it to 3 or 4 and watch your T2 light eat everything in L3
Thanks for noticing Gianath. I forgot to list Drone Interfacing. It's trained to 4. then in this case, you should be good to go for L3 unless you don't have Myrm which get very short training to use. then at this point, you have 2 choice, max out your cruiser skills and try other stuff like DED complex or start to train for Domi and T2 Sentry for L4 mission. Good stuff. I have a couple of questions: 1. How far up the DED complex rating can I go with a maxed out cruiser skills + Myrm? 2. Which activities did you enjoy more - L4s or DED complexes? Thanks again.
I have no experience with DED complex but I understand that they have ship restricted depend on their level. I believe someone did post chart for which ship class can handle what rating of DED. |
Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:11:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote: I haven't used a heavy in over 6 years, and haven't looked back. T2 Sentries should ALWAYS be a goal for someone into drones: T1 and faction don't compare, but they will teach you how to actually use sentries.
I'm curious: you're saying that "you never looked back" - so I'm assuming you've found a different path for your BC and BS ships other than drone boats. Can I impose and ask what made you switch away, what ship types became your preference and for which kinds of activities?
Thanks! |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
507
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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:21:00 -
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+1 for myrm with sentry drones. although a navy vexor sounds like a pretty appealing option as well. plus if you have an AB you can move a bit and reduce incoming damage by a ton.
a drake is real quick and easy, but damn is it boring. although I suppose it isn't much better/worse than a sentry boat. sitting there with your drones isn't really my favorite thing either. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:24:00 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:+1 for myrm with sentry drones. although a navy vexor sounds like a pretty appealing option as well. plus if you have an AB you can move a bit and reduce incoming damage by a ton.
a drake is real quick and easy, but damn is it boring. although I suppose it isn't much better/worse than a sentry boat. sitting there with your drones isn't really my favorite thing either.
Thanks Chainsaw. What's your tool of choice? |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
507
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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:39:00 -
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for level 3s I saw a good post about ishtars (aka vexor on crack!), speaking about that stoicfaux just updated with a new post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=319190&find=unread
makes be believe the navy vexor, gila, or myrm would all be good choices. I used to run a drake with very low skillpoints, and when I came back on an alt to run some for standings I realized how slow I was going with my low skills (and possibly some questionable fitting advice). Also I think they have done a good job balancing most ships and there are other good options out there too.
I mostly do level 4s, and well I fly pretty much everything. I love having sentry drones to help out my gun damage but I get bored flying ships like the rattlesnake where I feel like the sentries start to hold me back in some aspects, mainly in the motion department, but a cruiser sized ship doesn't quite have the same issue. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.02.06 23:31:00 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
I mostly do level 4s, and well I fly pretty much everything. I love having sentry drones to help out my gun damage but I get bored flying ships like the rattlesnake where I feel like the sentries start to hold me back in some aspects, mainly in the motion department, but a cruiser sized ship doesn't quite have the same issue.
Awsome.
I like the idea of moving into ships that have high bang to ISK ratio - even if I can afford the more expensive ships. So I'll hold off on Navy Vexor and I certainly won't need a Domi for a while. And the Ishtar looks like a good one to skill up to later on - possibly for PvP as well.
For now the Myrm hits the sweet spot. I'll build up a few more skill points while waiting for the L3 agents to become accessible and see how it all goes.
...and of course I trust the monocle! but there are so many of you ;-) |
Qalix
Long Jump.
91
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Posted - 2014.02.07 02:06:00 -
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Jeedmo Dorn wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
I mostly do level 4s, and well I fly pretty much everything. I love having sentry drones to help out my gun damage but I get bored flying ships like the rattlesnake where I feel like the sentries start to hold me back in some aspects, mainly in the motion department, but a cruiser sized ship doesn't quite have the same issue.
Awsome. I like the idea of moving into ships that have high bang to ISK ratio - even if I can afford the more expensive ships. So I'll hold off on Navy Vexor and I certainly won't need a Domi for a while. And the Ishtar looks like a good one to skill up to later on - possibly for PvP as well. For now the Myrm hits the sweet spot. I'll build up a few more skill points while waiting for the L3 agents to become accessible and see how it all goes. ...and of course I trust the monocle! but there are so many of you ;-) That's my general approach as well. No bling and see what I can do with less. While it's not the ideal ISK making solution, I haven't enjoyed PvE as much as I did in those early days of trying to finish L3s in a destroyer or cruiser. It's totally doable but it requires really mastering range control and the finer points of tracking and damage mitigation (i.e., staying alive even when you can't rep up).
BTW, getting to an L3 doesn't take many missions if you have your social skills trained up to at least 4 on Connections and Social. I have Connections 5 which puts you at 2.0 for everything and Social 5, which is max standings gain bonus. I just brought this character from 2.0 to ~5.2 with 33 missions and 2 storylines. I did over two nights of very casual play. I got to L3 with the first 16 and 1 storyline. |
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Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.02.07 04:02:00 -
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Qalix wrote:[quote=Jeedmo Dorn][quote=Chainsaw Plankton]
BTW, getting to an L3 doesn't take many missions if you have your social skills trained up to at least 4 on Connections and Social. I have Connections 5 which puts you at 2.0 for everything and Social 5, which is max standings gain bonus. I just brought this character from 2.0 to ~5.2 with 33 missions and 2 storylines. I did over two nights of very casual play. I got to L3 with the first 16 and 1 storyline.
Good point. I'm not at 4 on both those skills yet. But it's ok for me to grind the L2s just a bit longer. They're easy enough, but I'm still learning the ropes - so it's a good practice. The penalty for mistakes is limited at this level. I'm also doing the Sisters of Eve Arc - just about to hit "Burning down the Hive"... |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1871
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Posted - 2014.02.07 17:32:00 -
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Jeedmo Dorn wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote: I haven't used a heavy in over 6 years, and haven't looked back. T2 Sentries should ALWAYS be a goal for someone into drones: T1 and faction don't compare, but they will teach you how to actually use sentries. I'm curious: you're saying that "you never looked back" - so I'm assuming you've found a different path for your BC and BS ships other than drone boats. Can I impose and ask what made you switch away, what ship types became your preference and for which kinds of activities? Thanks!
I just meant that I haven't used a heavy in years, and don't plan to. My L4 drone boats are sentry boats (T2) for all of my alts that run them. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
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