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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1615
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Posted - 2014.02.08 03:39:00 -
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How about a feature for threads that when we create them doesn't let NPC corp members post in it. It solves the problem of the same npc alts derailing threads constantly. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6167
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Posted - 2014.02.08 04:13:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:How about a feature for threads that when we create them doesn't let NPC corp members post in it. It solves the problem of the same npc alts derailing threads constantly. Like a mini CAOD in the thread? ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1617
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Posted - 2014.02.08 04:27:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:La Nariz wrote:How about a feature for threads that when we create them doesn't let NPC corp members post in it. It solves the problem of the same npc alts derailing threads constantly. Like a mini CAOD in the thread?
Yep when you make your thread there's a checkbox that says something along the lines of "npc corp members can post in thread." This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
The Jagji
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2014.02.08 07:58:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:La Nariz wrote:How about a feature for threads that when we create them doesn't let NPC corp members post in it. It solves the problem of the same npc alts derailing threads constantly. Like a mini CAOD in the thread? Yep when you make your thread there's a checkbox that says something along the lines of "npc corp members can post in thread."
Sorry, but not all NPC corp members are Alts. Some are people (like me) who are just playing the game, and not worries about corps to much. Then there are people who are in NPC corps due to switching to another corp. Along with a whole other bucket load of stuff, suck as making the forums 'tired' witch is a BAD idea. |
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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
554
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Posted - 2014.02.08 08:40:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Andski wrote:La Nariz wrote:I think part of the problem is this post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3887799#post3887799The head guy recruiting for ISD has bias in his recruitment process. EVE allows for a variety of gameplay yet prevents a group of people from taking part in forum moderation. That biases the moderation and is hampering the forum use. That bias doesn't make sense either because there are most certainly rules preventing people from going nuts with the minute power awarded to moderators. I think if that bias were removed and the "bad guys" of EVE were given a voice in moderation it'd be a better forum. However that doesn't mean EVE-O has to become a horrible abomination like kugu. While his post was probably worded poorly, I don't imagine that ISD have any particular bias against people who engage in scamming. But that doesn't mean that beancounter jaynara or w/e has any business near the forum mod buttons. I don't mean that guy should be on the team just that they shouldn't discriminate against people who decide to do morally ambiguous professions like scamming. If it was a bad post it'd be nice if the ISD would let us know they don't discriminate based on that. I'm going to take this as a tentative "we don't do that" but, it would still be nice for the head recruiting guy to let us know. ISD LackofFaith wrote:I'm not entirely sure what the rules for recruitment are, but if ISD Eshtir thinks someone is not qualified, that's a pretty good indication of crossing a line. Still, the line is definitely not "you must have a completely spotless record and always been a model citizen of Eve". I should know. At any rate, ISDs do not come under the same super-tight restrictions on gameplay with their main characters that CCP employees do.
Hi,
im not the "head recruiting guy" as you claim it. I am just in charge of making the team run and do its job.
Recruiting new members into ISD is a very time consuming process, but i will try and shed some light into the process for you. We all love clarity, dont we?
- Applicant fills out webform
- Application is read by the team leads (VA and captains)
- The team leads discuss pro and cons of the application and the applicant based on the application and forum participation
- Application gets either denied or approved (via e-mail)
- If application is approved, we invite the applicant to an interview on IRC
- After the interview is finished, the team leads discuss the interview
- If the outcome of the interview is positive, we request a background check for you. This is done by the GM team.
- If the BGC is positive you will receive an invite to join the team and your training will begin once CCP receives the legal documents you have to sign.
The legal documents you have to sign are a NDA and a Terms of Playing form. There wont be details on what these documents state, sorry.
Also, being in ISD is not as easy as most people think. You have to follow a very strict rule set. The rule set that is common for all ISD departments is the ISD Bible. It states what ISD means, what purpose it has and the strict rules we have to follow and what happens if we dont follow it.
But there is more, and i can only speak for my team, there are even more rules to follow when you are a member of CCL. These are to prevent bias within moderation and have been developed with CCP Navigator as we created this team. It contains rules like "Do not moderate a thread/post of a thread you are involved with as a player" and many many more.
My response to Erotica1 is not everyones taste, i get that. But once you are a member of CCL, you cant just go on the forums and troll or break other forum rules with your player character. I hope that makes it more understandable for you.
We dont want to be the bad moderators beating you with a chain of iron locks. But we have to use the tools that we are provided with, to keep the forum a place for information and constructive discussion. You see us also taking part in your discussions, like LackOfFaith and Ezwal did. Yep they even wrote a long e-mail to CCP, making them aware of the good discussion that happens here.
ISD's consists of members of the big alliances, small corporations or the lone wolf. Industrial, PVE, PVP, RP etc. we have them all and we work together.
So, everyone is welcome to apply to ISD. If they make it into ISD is not up to me, but involves more factors. Everyone has the chance to get in and do good for the community.
So here you have it, there is no bias in the moderation process.
ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons Interstellar Services Department @ISD_Eshtir | @ISD_CCL |
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Honrado deQuiros
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2014.02.08 09:22:00 -
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Reckless Ourtomineng wrote:troll this to the core, ISDs should just stick to lock and unlock threads not poast in them.
This goes in forum moderation so lock it,
Some people have shifted the discussion about rules and moderation, but this really wasn't just about that. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1003
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Posted - 2014.02.08 09:24:00 -
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ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Trying to not kill discussion is why we've been making an effort to leave behind "[Moved] etc etc" threads redirecting to the new location. I agree that leaving discussions as they are may be good sometimes, but that's a judgment call that can introduce the dreaded ISD bias~~, so it's better all around as a moderator to (apparently draconically) apply rules to everything equally.
Again, if a way moderation is being done bothers you, please please please report it via a support ticket. CCP set the rules and tone, and it's better to let them be aware of a problem rather than give grief to a regular ISD (and getting subsequently moderated because discussion of moderation is against the rules, resulting in being thoroughly ignored).
Dude are you really discussing forum moderation?
Hand in your badge and your gun.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
[Member of The BrownCoat Syndicate] |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
264
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Posted - 2014.02.08 14:24:00 -
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The Jagji wrote:Along with a whole other bucket load of stuff, suck as making the forums 'tired' witch is a BAD idea.
i doen knott noe wat this centense meens |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1620
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Posted - 2014.02.08 15:14:00 -
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The Jagji wrote:La Nariz wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:La Nariz wrote:How about a feature for threads that when we create them doesn't let NPC corp members post in it. It solves the problem of the same npc alts derailing threads constantly. Like a mini CAOD in the thread? Yep when you make your thread there's a checkbox that says something along the lines of "npc corp members can post in thread." Sorry, but not all NPC corp members are Alts. Some are people (like me) who are just playing the game, and not worries about corps to much. Then there are people who are in NPC corps due to switching to another corp. Along with a whole other bucket load of stuff, suck as making the forums 'tired' witch is a BAD idea.
If it prevents as Andski said the same npc alts from derailing a thread I'd be willing to take the disadvantage of losing out on people in that situation. It'd be up to the thread creator to so not every thread would be that way. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
blabla4711
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2014.02.08 15:30:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:The Jagji wrote:La Nariz wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:La Nariz wrote:How about a feature for threads that when we create them doesn't let NPC corp members post in it. It solves the problem of the same npc alts derailing threads constantly. Like a mini CAOD in the thread? Yep when you make your thread there's a checkbox that says something along the lines of "npc corp members can post in thread." Sorry, but not all NPC corp members are Alts. Some are people (like me) who are just playing the game, and not worries about corps to much. Then there are people who are in NPC corps due to switching to another corp. Along with a whole other bucket load of stuff, suck as making the forums 'tired' witch is a BAD idea. If it prevents as Andski said the same npc alts from derailing a thread I'd be willing to take the disadvantage of losing out on people in that situation. It'd be up to the thread creator to so not every thread would be that way.
That a funny remark from a member of an alliance whose members got repeatedly banned as a whole from various other games/forum/websites in the past because of their bullshitting in sheer numbers. And dont think you are different. Youve already proven otherwise. |
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1620
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Posted - 2014.02.08 15:46:00 -
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blabla4711 wrote:That a funny remark from a member of an alliance whose members got repeatedly banned as a whole from various other games/forum/websites in the past because of their bullshitting in sheer numbers. And dont think you are different. Youve already proven otherwise.
What does that have to do with my suggestion now? The thread creator gets to decide if they want everyone's input at the risk of npc alts derailing the thread, or are willing to have a decreased input at less risk of derailing the thread. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
265
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Posted - 2014.02.08 15:54:00 -
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blabla4711 wrote: That a funny remark from a member of an alliance whose members got repeatedly banned as a whole from various other games/forum/websites in the past because of their bullshitting in sheer numbers.
gramer pls |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1021
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Posted - 2014.02.08 16:23:00 -
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Billy McCandless wrote:blabla4711 wrote: That a funny remark from a member of an alliance whose members got repeatedly banned as a whole from various other games/forum/websites in the past because of their bullshitting in sheer numbers.
gramer pls
Best ever Billy! LOL you crack me up.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
[Member of The BrownCoat Syndicate] |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3812
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Posted - 2014.02.08 16:55:00 -
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Hey don't bash NPC alts :( |
Arduemont
The State of War. Vendetta Mercenary Group
3014
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Posted - 2014.02.08 17:47:00 -
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Why would we have more forum activity? It's not like we learn anything or gain anything from being here. Most of us are just trolls with nothing better to do than argue with other trolls.
If the devs used the forums constantly and changes obviously occurred because of our ranting then there might be a reason, but that's not the case. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1620
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Posted - 2014.02.08 19:33:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Why would we have more forum activity? It's not like we learn anything or gain anything from being here. Most of us are just trolls with nothing better to do than argue with other trolls.
If the devs used the forums constantly and changes obviously occurred because of our ranting then there might be a reason, but that's not the case.
Mining barge EHP buff occurred because of forum outrage. Warping wall under criminal timer was changed because it was brought up on the forums by Herr Wilkus in one of his ganking guides. CCP has been influenced by forum activity before. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
AnotherUseless Alt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2014.02.08 19:53:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Arduemont wrote:Why would we have more forum activity? It's not like we learn anything or gain anything from being here. Most of us are just trolls with nothing better to do than argue with other trolls.
If the devs used the forums constantly and changes obviously occurred because of our ranting then there might be a reason, but that's not the case. Mining barge EHP buff occurred because of forum outrage. Warping wall under criminal timer was changed because it was brought up on the forums by Herr Wilkus in one of his ganking guides. CCP has been influenced by forum activity before.
Mining barge buff + destroyer buff == no net change. "Self help is all in your head" |
Rhnra Pahineh
Organized-Chaos Apocalypse Now.
21
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:19:00 -
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I don't use the forums because I can't properly follow a topic. I can't get back at the last read post on a topic or anything more elaborated than "Something is now in that topic.". Now, with something that can evolve rapidly overnight, it is troublesome.
Anyway, if I can't follow anything I don't pay much attention to anything on that medium. That is all. |
Muestereate
Minions LLC
166
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:53:00 -
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Another valid point. It's a pain to find your spot |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
876
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:32:00 -
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Subtle hint..... ISD Ezwal Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1092
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:08:00 -
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Andski wrote:4) Long list of redundant or unnecessary rules. Allow KMs to be posted... This. Killmails can offer a concrete factual reference to support or rebut an argument. Consider the following:
A player posts a thread complaining about interceptors. Looking at his loss history, we see that he recently lost 3 pve domis in nullsec to gank fleets that involved an interceptor. However, we also see that he had no heavy neuts fitted to his domi. This is a very basic fitting mistake. Heavy neuts can and do save pve ships regularly. By posting a link to this loss and fit, we open up a path for constructive criticism.
Kill mails could be used for trolling, yes, but that already happens anyway. Allowing kill mails to be used as a reference for constructive criticism might be a good thing. |
AnotherUseless Alt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:33:00 -
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You can't cater to the type of "No limits" player that you attract, then expect that type of behavior not to end up on the forums.
You can continue to censor the forums and hope not enough people will notice just how much censorship is going on, or you can stop thinking you are doing any good with all the censorship and try more open forums. It has always boggled my mind that CCP encourages and rewards a certain type of behavior in game, and then can't understand why it spills into the forums. "Self help is all in your head" |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1625
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:41:00 -
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AnotherUseless Alt wrote:La Nariz wrote:Arduemont wrote:Why would we have more forum activity? It's not like we learn anything or gain anything from being here. Most of us are just trolls with nothing better to do than argue with other trolls.
If the devs used the forums constantly and changes obviously occurred because of our ranting then there might be a reason, but that's not the case. Mining barge EHP buff occurred because of forum outrage. Warping wall under criminal timer was changed because it was brought up on the forums by Herr Wilkus in one of his ganking guides. CCP has been influenced by forum activity before. Mining barge buff + destroyer buff == no net change.
If that were the case a T2 destroyer could still solo a mack in 0.7, its not the case.
E: The thing Herr Wilkus got nerfed was the Boomerang Maneuver. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2014.02.09 12:00:00 -
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I want to be an ISD so I can lock the threads created by people who make fun of my hair... |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1625
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Posted - 2014.02.09 16:09:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4213356#post4213356
That thread right there is proof that the NPC alts need to be handled. There were 2-3 NPC alts that continually derailed that thread and instead of dealing with the NPC alts it gets locked. How do you expect any discussion to occur when you've got people literally devoted to stopping it and you won't deal with them?
This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
93
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Posted - 2014.02.10 22:35:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:Hi, im not the "head recruiting guy" as you claim it. I am just in charge of making the team run and do its job. Recruiting new members into ISD is a very time consuming process, but i will try and shed some light into the process for you. We all love clarity, dont we? [list] ----> tl,dr (Blah, blah, blah ... so on and so forth) So here you have it, there is no bias in the moderation process.
Holy cow, it's a good thing you're not the recruiter! Is there anything good about the job??? |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1174
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Posted - 2014.02.10 22:56:00 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:Holy cow, it's a good thing you're not the recruiter! Is there anything good about the job??? I do believe Eshtir was detailing restrictions in place so people are aware we are not unchecked despots being fed grapes while discussing what threads we shall lock today. It might be a volunteer job but it is a job, not playtime, and that comes with its set own of rules and stuff.
There are good things about it though:
- Someone is trolling your favorite forum? No need to report and wait for an ISD, just take care of it yourself.
- Staying in touch and chitchat with notable CCP figures, like CCP Phantom and CCP Falcon.
- Being taken more seriously when you post advice and facts (e.g. "go file a support ticket"). This of course comes with the limitation that opinionated stuff is not allowed.
- Working witha cool bunch of volunteers both inside CCL and in ISD in general.
- Small fun perks, like my eye and arm.
- Participating in various privileged events and meetings, some public like the ISD visits to newbie systems this new year, some less public.
- The satisfaction of directly contributing to making Eve better.
- Being in a super secret club is a reward in and of itself!
There's more stuff, but I'll stop rambling here. Suffice it to say, I don't know any ISD who regrets doing what they do, though some might want back the sanity that has been chipped away over time.
Ed: and yes, Eshtir is not the "head recruiting guy" so much as the "head guy" or Vice Admiral. My bad. ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISD_LackOfFaith on Twitter |
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stoicfaux
4061
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:15:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4213356#post4213356
That thread right there is proof that the NPC alts need to be handled. There were 2-3 NPC alts that continually derailed that thread and instead of dealing with the NPC alts it gets locked. How do you expect any discussion to occur when you've got people literally devoted to stopping it and you won't deal with them?
E: The thread was cleaned multiple times and the same people kept shitting it up without any consequence. Request that it be reopened if you feel there's still value in continuing the thread. Report the problem alts. The ISDs aren't mindless bureaucratic drones slaved to inflexible process where all decisions are set in adamantium.
Or start a new thread with a very tight, specific topic to discuss so as to avoid a threadnaught full of rambling posts. Plus, a focused topic should make the ISD's job easier.
Also, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=320422&find=unread (But don't get the idea it proves level 4s need to be nerfed.)
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1625
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Posted - 2014.02.11 06:58:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:La Nariz wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4213356#post4213356
That thread right there is proof that the NPC alts need to be handled. There were 2-3 NPC alts that continually derailed that thread and instead of dealing with the NPC alts it gets locked. How do you expect any discussion to occur when you've got people literally devoted to stopping it and you won't deal with them?
E: The thread was cleaned multiple times and the same people kept shitting it up without any consequence. Request that it be reopened if you feel there's still value in continuing the thread. Report the problem alts. The ISDs aren't mindless bureaucratic drones slaved to inflexible process where all decisions are set in adamantium. Or start a new thread with a very tight, specific topic to discuss so as to avoid a threadnaught full of rambling posts. Plus, a focused topic should make the ISD's job easier. Also, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=320422&find=unread (But don't get the idea it proves level 4s need to be nerfed.)
The topic doesn't matter the same NPC alts that were reported and lead to a thread lock instead of removing the people doing the threadshitting will happen again. The ISD's job would be easier if they got rid of the NPC alts. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
2463
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Posted - 2014.02.11 07:21:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:La Nariz wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4213356#post4213356
That thread right there is proof that the NPC alts need to be handled. There were 2-3 NPC alts that continually derailed that thread and instead of dealing with the NPC alts it gets locked. How do you expect any discussion to occur when you've got people literally devoted to stopping it and you won't deal with them?
E: The thread was cleaned multiple times and the same people kept shitting it up without any consequence. Request that it be reopened if you feel there's still value in continuing the thread. Report the problem alts. The ISDs aren't mindless bureaucratic drones slaved to inflexible process where all decisions are set in adamantium. Or start a new thread with a very tight, specific topic to discuss so as to avoid a threadnaught full of rambling posts. Plus, a focused topic should make the ISD's job easier. Also, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=320422&find=unread (But don't get the idea it proves level 4s need to be nerfed.) the thread had just been cleaned by ISD but then the same characters who had just got ten pages' worth of their posts deleted came back in and started derailing again
i don't know if ccp/isd is assuming good intent or something but this is why the forums are toxic - nothing is done about obvious, repeat offenders
a troll alt is going to be used for nothing but trolling as soon as the character posting ban is lifted
although i'm not exactly innocent of posting garbage in that thread |
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