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Lars Ahven
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.07 00:42:00 -
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I started playing eve a few days ago and I thought I would like to be a pirate. I read several guides and posts about pirating and starting off as a pirate, but I still have a few questions which I could not find answers to.
For starters, where would a new player like me who flies a merlin start off pirating? What security status would the sector be?
My next question would be what kind of ships should I target, and should I hold them for ransom or just destroy them?
My final question would be, supposing that I got to a very low security status, where would I go to buy new ships and modules considering that highsec would be off limits? Are there any trade hubs in lowsec or something?
Thanks for reading, I look forward to any replies and advice. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.02.07 00:51:00 -
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1. Where ever you like. Just understand that as a new player you will find yourself outgunned often. Also, lowsec is better because of no CONCORD. Though you can also start ganking miners in hisec with a dessie (specially those who did pay CODE their permit fee).
2. That is not a black & white answer question as a lot of things depend on it. Like fit and player knowledge about what they are doing.
3. Either way can be done. Go for ransom or plain killing...it is up to you.
4. There are lowsec markets but be prepared to pay more then in highsec. You can also quickly train an on account alt to do the hauling for you.
Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.02.07 00:55:00 -
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It really depends on what you define as a "pirate" (trust me there is a lot of mixed opinions on this).
A frig would struggle with gate guns in low sec, but hunt in the belts and look for miners who are not paying attention would be my advice.
The ransom thing is a bit more complicated. A lot of people wont honor a ransom, thus the victims are not winning to pay. So its really up to you.. what do you want more, the killmail or the ISK? Or you can be really "naughty" and take both
While the market is not the "best" in low sec you can still get a lot of the stuff you need (sometimes a bit overpriced of course), but chances are also that if you join a corp set up in low sec they already have logistics in place to deal with this kind of thing and they can assist you getting what you need.
Also keep in mind that while you will be a valid target, its not that difficult to move around in high sec with a negative sec status as long as you dont use the auto pilot and you fly small fast ships, and you can also buy tags to help keep your sec status at a decent level. Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.02.07 01:00:00 -
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Lars Ahven wrote: For starters, where would a new player like me who flies a merlin start off pirating? What security status would the sector be?
You can pirate anywhere, if you're in highsec you can bait people into engaging you without Concord ruining your day or suicide gank them for lols which involves losing your ship. As you're currently in frigates, mission invasions are a good start, use probes to scan down people in similar class ships and then invade their mission, steal from the wrecks and hope that they engage you, you'll get suspect flagged for this which means anyone can shoot at you, including the mission runner, but most uninvolved parties won't bother.
Generally you'll need friends so my best advice would be to find like minded folks who can show you how it's done and help you along. Belligerent Undesirables or the New Order would be the first people to come to mind for highsec shenanigans.
In lowsec or nullsec anybody is fair game with no Concord interference, watch out for gate and station guns.
Quote:My next question would be what kind of ships should I target, and should I hold them for ransom or just destroy them? See above, although you can take on much bigger ships in a frigate because they'll have trouble hitting you, stick to the small stuff until you have some experience and knowledge of game mechanics. Ransoms are up to you, honouring them or not is entirely your choice.
Quote:My final question would be, supposing that I got to a very low security status, where would I go to buy new ships and modules considering that highsec would be off limits? Are there any trade hubs in lowsec or something? Highsec is never out of bounds, once your sec status gets too low you'll be chased by the faction police, if you use small fast ships they can be outrun, other people can freely shoot at you, but they often don't bother.
For purchasing and moving ships etc, use one of your 3 character slots to do your logistics, or buy the ships and use a courier service such as PushX or Red Frog to move them for you. |
Lars Ahven
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.07 01:07:00 -
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Thank you all very much for this feedback! The subject seems more clear to me now and I am grateful for your replies. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1963
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Posted - 2014.02.07 01:13:00 -
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Highsec has more targets for piracy than any other type of space.
The best way is to weasel your way into the target's corporation, then you can legally hunt them down and blow them up. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.02.07 01:33:00 -
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Added some reading materials to my previous post which the OP may find useful. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.02.07 04:05:00 -
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To clarify Jonahs point.
A corp can only kick you if;
a. You are docked in a station. b. You are offline.
These restrictions are in place for the same mechanics (Free corpmember on corpmember shooting). Otherwise people will just kick you during the initial shooting to get CONCORD's assistance.
So if you want to ransom a corp, stay in space and stay logged in as long as possible (maybe go to bed and leave EVE running). Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.02.07 04:45:00 -
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^^ Thanks for clarifying J'Poll, I was unsure of exactly how it worked hence the small disclaimer. |
Dyphorus
Meatshield Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2014.02.07 13:14:00 -
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Look us up in game. No SP requirement, more concerned with if you fit in with the group or not. We've had new players jump right in and start yarring with a weeks training. We'll help you learn the ropes of fitting and flying for low sec piracy.
Our public chat in game is: DBastards
Here's our recruiting page: http://www.pvp101.net/BB/viewforum.php?f=18 |
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Ovv Topik
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2014.02.07 20:54:00 -
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You might want to define what you personally mean by Pirate.
There are 'Pirates' and there are 'Pirates' - I myself am most definitely the latter.
If it's lowsec piracy you want to get into, I would suggest starting with a tour in Faction Warfare.
This will get you used to life in low with a good income to cover your losses which will be high at first as you learn to pvp.
You will also 'meet' a lot of established pirates, which will be a good way to find a group you fit in with.
"Jita 4 4 Spaceport. You will not find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious!" |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2014.02.07 21:02:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:To clarify Jonahs point.
A corp can only kick you if;
a. You are docked in a station. b. You are offline.
These restrictions are in place for the same mechanics (Free corpmember on corpmember shooting). Otherwise people will just kick you during the initial shooting to get CONCORD's assistance.
So if you want to ransom a corp, stay in space and stay logged in as long as possible (maybe go to bed and leave EVE running).
I have always hated that rule, a ceo should be able to kick anytime for any reason. n/m the pirate part, I get annoyed that you can't kick if they have a certin level of shares.. gods that was annoying. anyway /rant |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2014.02.07 21:03:00 -
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Rifter is a good priate ship, merlin, kessie, any frig will do well against some miners. I think for bargdes you need a destroy to kill them faster, but i'm not 100% sure on that. |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.02.07 21:51:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:J'Poll wrote:To clarify Jonahs point.
A corp can only kick you if;
a. You are docked in a station. b. You are offline.
These restrictions are in place for the same mechanics (Free corpmember on corpmember shooting). Otherwise people will just kick you during the initial shooting to get CONCORD's assistance.
So if you want to ransom a corp, stay in space and stay logged in as long as possible (maybe go to bed and leave EVE running). I have always hated that rule, a ceo should be able to kick anytime for any reason. n/m the pirate part, I get annoyed that you can't kick if they have a certin level of shares.. gods that was annoying. anyway /rant
It is possible to kick someone even if they have shares in a corporation. Granted its a bit more of a hassle since you need to vote to remove said person, but if the person in question is inactive he wont vote obviously and thus it does not matter how many shares they have, and if your the CEO you can just create more shares to make sure you have the majority of the shares, thus winning the vote no matter what. Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Silver Dagger Kondur
Element Underground
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Posted - 2014.02.07 22:45:00 -
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NightCrawler 85 wrote:... Also keep in mind that while you will be a valid target, its not that difficult to move around in high sec with a negative sec status as long as you dont use the auto pilot and you fly small fast ships, and you can also buy tags to help keep your sec status at a decent level.
1. So you can out-run CONCORD? I'd heard the Concord spawns as many ships as needed to blast you.
2. Buy tags for SEC STATUS? Where, how? |
Cannibal Kane
My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse Cannibal Empire
3270
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Posted - 2014.02.07 23:22:00 -
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Silver Dagger Kondur wrote:NightCrawler 85 wrote:... Also keep in mind that while you will be a valid target, its not that difficult to move around in high sec with a negative sec status as long as you dont use the auto pilot and you fly small fast ships, and you can also buy tags to help keep your sec status at a decent level. 1. So you can out-run CONCORD? I'd heard the Concord spawns as many ships as needed to blast you. 2. Buy tags for SEC STATUS? Where, how?
You cannot evade concord. In the past you were able to and it was considered an exploit so CCP would have a word. Now it shuts down your warp for concord to kill you. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. He flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. His hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. It was truly majestic. And while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off. Because I am like that." - NEONOVUS |
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.07 23:43:00 -
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Silver Dagger Kondur wrote:1. So you can out-run CONCORD? I'd heard the Concord spawns as many ships as needed to blast you.
2. Buy tags for SEC STATUS? Where, how? 1. You cannot out-run CONCORD, but CONCORD only spawns when you aggress someone. If you just have a negative security status, you will be hunted by some minor police corp, and those can be outrun.
2. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/wanttotrade-tags-for-security-status/ |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1156
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Posted - 2014.02.07 23:44:00 -
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1. Get comfy with your directional scanner, and figure out how to make it track. Combine that with the angle slider and tadaa: instant 5 degree scans on selected celestials. Use this technique to single out targets. Engage when you think you can beat the ratter you just spotted. Be carefull though: he might have the same idea and give you a tough fight!
2. PI haulers in lowsec make stops on customs offices and Blockade Runners will need to decloak in order to grab their goods. Use this to your advantage by scanning down offices in lowsec in fast-warping frigates. You will possibly require more then 1 warp scrambler to catch warp-stabbed targets. This is a ton of fun with friends. Make sure you have an Industrial ship handy to scoop loot. You can ship up, but catching targets will become harder. Chewing through their tank will be easier though.
3. Ransoming ships is one of the hardest things there is. Basicly you need to entirely disable it without destroying it, and showing you are capable of destroying it easily if the mark doesn't pay up. This is easier with ships that have no defensive capabilities. If you manage to scram a pod, you might ransom it because of it's implants.
4. You can ransom a POS by starting to declaw it (incapacitating its defenses) and demanding money as soon as someone of the owning corp shows up. Be creative, bump the price every 10% of the POS shields. You have to be very careful the mark doesn't lead you on and organizes a defense while stalling you!
5. Scan down DED sites / anomalies and kill the ratters inside. Some of them use hilariously expensive PVE fits and blowing them up for the KM is usually more rewarding then ransoming. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3637
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Posted - 2014.02.08 00:15:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:J'Poll wrote:To clarify Jonahs point.
A corp can only kick you if;
a. You are docked in a station. b. You are offline.
These restrictions are in place for the same mechanics (Free corpmember on corpmember shooting). Otherwise people will just kick you during the initial shooting to get CONCORD's assistance.
So if you want to ransom a corp, stay in space and stay logged in as long as possible (maybe go to bed and leave EVE running). I have always hated that rule, a ceo should be able to kick anytime for any reason. n/m the pirate part, I get annoyed that you can't kick if they have a certin level of shares.. gods that was annoying. anyway /rant
Shame on the CEO for not claiming the shares for himself in the first place. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1976
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Posted - 2014.02.08 00:16:00 -
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Scan down explorers, ignore them but steal the can the important drops are in. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
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