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Arthur Frayn
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:31:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Such shameful lies, such obviously faked logs. Tsk, tsk.
Come on now, be proud of what you are! |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
168
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:31:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:I read every post in this thread.
I will leave it with this tale which most of you know - The Scorpion and the Tortoise. I find it very fitting to the situation.
Except after poisoning the Tortoise, the Scorpion lawls and cynos out.
Ahahaha, touche ! The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
97
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:34:00 -
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AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:Send the isk Since CCP is not gonna help you at all and in fact will be laughing at you come morning I just have to ask... Or what? Things are simple : If a CSM does this to a CCP customer, than I have several questions : What is CSM? What is CSM doing for me ? What is CCP doing to keep me paying for this game? Laugh at me? Is it true? So I pay CCP to laugh at me? I don't feel like laughing right now. But I can stop paying for my 8 accounts. That's all I can do.
Dear good sir of our space friend network of utmost understanding and reverence for e-honor. The CSM acts as a buffer zone for communications between CCP and the players and nothing more.
The mittani is not a white knight of the players, he is a diplomat. Diplomats KILL real people in the countries they are supposed to be representing and get away with it. Just sit on that for a bit, CCP is not beholden to making the situation any better. He's just another player and you got played.
The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.
One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear. |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
369
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:34:00 -
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AdmiraI Thrawn wrote: What is CSM?
A 7 person organization. To become a member you must have a certain number of players vote for you.
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote: What is CSM doing for me ?
Nothing. There constituents voted them in to represent the direction in which they think EVE should take. If you agree with there philosophy and direction they are lobbying it to CCP.
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote: What is CCP doing to keep me paying for this game? Laugh at me? Is it true? So I pay CCP to laugh at me? I don't feel like laughing right now. But I can stop paying for my 8 accounts. That's all I can do.
The mistake was your own and you screwed up no one else.
You could have Checked to see if Mittani was legit or used a broker that is well trusted. You did not. You and anyone who plays this game should and probably do know that scamming is in fact allowed. You could have checked to see if the CSM's are allowed to scam you or not, there is a wealth of information on the subject. But you did not, you just assumed and even though you just asked what are the CSM's you trusted them.
You pay CCP for access to the Server and that is it. If you do not like the rules of the game(the ones you did not bother to learn) then you can quit. Really it is your loss, EVE is a great game if you know how to play it. |
bp920091
The Nyan Cat Pirates P I R A T E S
2
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:36:00 -
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AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:Send the isk Since CCP is not gonna help you at all and in fact will be laughing at you come morning I just have to ask... Or what? Things are simple : If a CSM does this to a CCP customer, than I have several questions : What is CSM? What is CSM doing for me ? What is CCP doing to keep me paying for this game? Laugh at me? Is it true? So I pay CCP to laugh at me? I don't feel like laughing right now. But I can stop paying for my 8 accounts. That's all I can do.
1. What is CSM?
CSM is the advance player feedback tool, made up from people in the community, elected by said communtiy, designed to oversee new features and changes that CCP does and give feedback on them
2. What is CSM doing for me?
Skillqueues, Fuel Pellets, Supercap changes, new BCs (not quite sure if the CSM explicitly requested that), Hybrid Buff, T2 ammo buff, the radical change in direction from the release of incarna (emegency summit). a lot of stuff actually.
3. What is CCP doing to keep me paying for this game?
They continue to provide the same consistent in-game experience that it always has. If you suddenly got refunded because you got "scammed" what is their reasoning when other people ask for isk back when they get scammed. I remember back in the NC, there was a guy who scammed an idiot in Jita out of an ingame plex. He sold it for 32 Billion, rather than 320 Million.
CCP is allowing you the possiblity to continue doing scams. As long as you do not say that you are a member of CCP (which the mittani did not), a GM (which the mittani did not), or hack the game client (from what i can tell, he did not), this scam was 100% legal and you can do the exact same thing.
My advice, Wait for CHRIBBA to be online before trying to trade a super. |
bp920091
The Nyan Cat Pirates P I R A T E S
2
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:36:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:AdmiraI Thrawn wrote: What is CSM?
A 7 person organization. To become a member you must have a certain number of players vote for you. AdmiraI Thrawn wrote: What is CSM doing for me ?
Nothing. There constituents voted them in to represent the direction in which they think EVE should take. If you agree with there philosophy and direction they are lobbying it to CCP. AdmiraI Thrawn wrote: What is CCP doing to keep me paying for this game? Laugh at me? Is it true? So I pay CCP to laugh at me? I don't feel like laughing right now. But I can stop paying for my 8 accounts. That's all I can do.
The mistake was your own and you screwed up no one else. You could have Checked to see if Mittani was legit or used a broker that is well trusted. You did not. You and anyone who plays this game should and probably do know that scamming is in fact allowed. You could have checked to see if the CSM's are allowed to scam you or not, there is a wealth of information on the subject. But you did not, you just assumed and even though you just asked what are the CSM's you trusted them. You pay CCP for access to the Server and that is it. If you do not like the rules of the game(the ones you did not bother to learn) then you can quit. Really it is your loss, EVE is a great game if you know how to play it.
beat me to the punch there |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
245
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:38:00 -
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AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:Send the isk Since CCP is not gonna help you at all and in fact will be laughing at you come morning I just have to ask... Or what? Things are simple : If a CSM does this to a CCP customer, than I have several questions : What is CSM? What is CSM doing for me ? What is CCP doing to keep me paying for this game? Laugh at me? Is it true? So I pay CCP to laugh at me? I don't feel like laughing right now. But I can stop paying for my 8 accounts. That's all I can do. Rage quit?
If you have 8 accounts, then start making another Nyx ... and use Chribba as your broker.
Consider this a very expensive lesson that you've bought and paid for.
EVE Online: Incarna - New Coke EVE Online: Winter Expansion - Coke Classic |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:40:00 -
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Ah well, I guess it was time to have those CSM voting rules changed anyhow. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
245
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:41:00 -
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AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:What is CSM? 7 players.
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:I can stop paying for my 8 accounts. 8 > 7. You win.
EVE Online: Incarna - New Coke EVE Online: Winter Expansion - Coke Classic |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
370
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:45:00 -
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Jowen Datloran wrote:Ah well, I guess it was time to have those CSM voting rules changed anyhow. Why?
There are more players in High Sec then Null sec but the Null sec players get elected. If people in High sec got involved and sided with candidates that represented there needs no Null sec candidates would be elected.
The Systems not broken, the people are stupid.
Get out and Vote in the next election!
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XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
97
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:47:00 -
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Jowen Datloran wrote:Ah well, I guess it was time to have those carebears stop being apathetic about voting anyhow.
Fixed that for you
The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.
One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear. |
TheCarl
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:49:00 -
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ITT: A foolish pubbie is scammed out of a Nyx, posts his own logs for all to enjoy, and continues to amuse us with his angry pleas to mf'ing Mittani to give him back his space money.
I guess I've seen it all now. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
245
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:52:00 -
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XIRUSPHERE wrote:Jowen Datloran wrote:Ah well, I guess it was time to have those carebears stop being apathetic about voting anyhow. Fixed that for you And you'll all ******* vote Kelduum Revaan. The Spreadsheets in Space (SiS) candidate. You do know he got his entire corporation to vote for corporate interface UI issues during that crowdsourced voting thing a few months back, right? Not hybrid fixes. Not assault frigate fixes. Not fixes to any Flying in Space mechanics. Nope. He asked his large 1500 person corporation to vote for corporate UI fixes. Genius! EVE Online: Incarna - New Coke EVE Online: Winter Expansion - Coke Classic |
AdmiraI Thrawn
Anormalii S.A. Vera Cruz Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:53:00 -
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If you voted this guy as a Chairman, there's not much I can say. Vote for what? You think my vote counts for anything? It doesn't in real life, it doesn't in here either.
He does not represent me but still is a buffer between CCP and me? Doesn't make sense, does it?
He is a scumbag, nothing more. I learned my lesson...Don't trust the ones who shout they wanna make a better game and 'fight' CCP for it. If 20 bil was the price for it, so be it.
But if CCP agrees with these guys who supposed to be a sort of syndicate then I'm disappointed. |
luZk
Jaegerkorpset
30
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:55:00 -
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"I bet you'll vote next time....." |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
245
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:56:00 -
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AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:He does not represent me ... The irony is that he's going to use that 20B ISK in his Campaign for Re-Election.
EVE Online: Incarna - New Coke EVE Online: Winter Expansion - Coke Classic |
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
97
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:57:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:XIRUSPHERE wrote:Jowen Datloran wrote:Ah well, I guess it was time to have those carebears stop being apathetic about voting anyhow. Fixed that for you And you'll all ******* vote Kelduum Revaan. The Spreadsheets in Space (SiS) candidate. You do know he got his entire corporation to vote for corporate interface UI issues during that crowdsourced voting thing a few months back, right? Not hybrid fixes. Not assault frigate fixes. Not fixes to any Flying in Space mechanics. Nope. He asked his large 1500 person corporation to vote for corporate UI fixes. Genius!
Whatever it takes to prove the legitimacy of the CSM has gone the way of the dodo right? But it does prove a point, at this juncture it would be better if we continued to get a high level of feedback and actual devs taking feedback from players rather than a narrow focus. The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.
One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear. |
bp920091
The Nyan Cat Pirates P I R A T E S
3
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:57:00 -
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TheCarl wrote:ITT: A foolish pubbie is scammed out of a Nyx, posts his own logs for all to enjoy, and continues to amuse us with his angry pleas to mf'ing Mittani to give him back his space money. I guess I've seen it all now.
I see it all the time, being in a pirate alliance. you see all sorts of stories about people convoing you about "Why did you blow up my retriever in 0.4 sec space? Concord should stop people like you." These kinds of stories keep me at it, manning the occasionally (or VERY) boring lowsec gatecamps, roaming solo through belts, searching for people, just trying to find people who think that concord would protect them in lowsec.
Hit my security status all you want, give me a bounty (I love that people keep giving me cash when i just get an alt to pop my empty pod), call me names, but dont stop coming out to lowsec, i enjoy kills like that. Its part of what got me into eve and has kept me playing eve for nearly 3 years now. |
Tribal Solidarity
Sacred Templars RED.OverLord
2
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:00:00 -
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Lol. I don't come to E-O forums much but when I do it's to find funnies like this.
Shame about all the other pubbies who were agreeing with this guy in the early stages.
Keep on scamming. |
Darth Skorpius
Legion of Darkwind Order of the Void
20
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:09:00 -
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the irony is eve online is just one giant scam. one day ccp will turn the servers off and keep everyones money.
also, the csm is just an excuse for 7 players to fly to iceland a couple of times a year and get shitfaced with devs and get a free trip to fanfest. anything they actually manage to achieve is a bonus FICTION CONTEST! WIN A PAIR OF PLEX! http://phoenixdiaries.co.uk/skorpion352
Baa Means Baa! |
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Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
53
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:10:00 -
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A REAL Admiral Thrawn would never have been scammed. |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
370
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:14:00 -
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Ivana Twinkle wrote:A REAL Admiral Thrawn would never have been scammed. He would have kicked all your A$$es.
What can I say, the man just knows how to use Dreadnaughts.
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Darth Skorpius
Legion of Darkwind Order of the Void
20
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:14:00 -
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AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:If you voted this guy as a Chairman, there's not much I can say. Vote for what? You think my vote counts for anything? It doesn't in real life, it doesn't in here either.
so did you vote or not? if you didnt then dont ***** about the csm. people who dont even bother to vote have no right to complain about anything relation to elections, be they rl elections or important internet spaceship elections FICTION CONTEST! WIN A PAIR OF PLEX! http://phoenixdiaries.co.uk/skorpion352
Baa Means Baa! |
Samillian
Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
23
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:15:00 -
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In my experience it is normal for almost ANY player to scam should the opportunity arise, no matter what their position in the EvE community. Not to do so is to waste the precious gift of another's stupidity.
Being on the CSM does not mean you stop playing the game and become a saint. |
Rellik B00n
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
15
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:16:00 -
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Kietay Ayari wrote:Jada Maroo wrote:Is it normal? Yes.
Should he be allowed to use his position as CSM head to imply a sort of legitimacy and aid in his scams? No. Not only is it lazy and effortless, it gives him an edge over other scammers. Why not? Doesn't anyone who is deemed reliable enough to be a third party use some kind of background to prove they are trustworthy? Metagame go! It does give him an edge, but it is something you have to work for to get ;D
"hey guys we need a null sec CSM, vote for me"
damn that must have been hard work. |
Day Tradin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:18:00 -
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AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:If you voted this guy as a Chairman, there's not much I can say. Vote for what? You think my vote counts for anything? It doesn't in real life, it doesn't in here either.
He does not represent me but still is a buffer between CCP and me? Doesn't make sense, does it?
He is a scumbag, nothing more. I learned my lesson...Don't trust the ones who shout they wanna make a better game and 'fight' CCP for it. If 20 bil was the price for it, so be it.
But if CCP agrees with these guys who supposed to be a sort of syndicate then I'm disappointed.
It's strange to me that someone who's played the game long enough to train up for a nyx and own a nyx still doesn't know that the Goons are renowned scammers in Eve.
I'm just stupid enough to think that nobody would fall for any of these types of scams anymore because they've all been played out.
If you're so obtuse to be scammed by the Goons at this point, you deserved it. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1359
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:21:00 -
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AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:You think my vote counts for anything? It doesn't in real life, it doesn't in here either. It is this belief that put Mittens in the chair. You have no-one to blame but yourself. Much like how you have no-one but yourself to blame for your failure at due diligence.
Quote:He does not represent me but still is a buffer between CCP and me? Doesn't make sense, does it? Sure it does. It's how most democratic representation ends up working.
Quote:I learned my lesson...Don't trust the ones who shout they wanna make a better game and 'fight' CCP for it. So tou havent't learned your lesson at all. You still think of it as GÇ£a CSM" scammed you, when in actuality, a player GÇö a goon, even GÇö scammed you, which as surprises go is right up there with water being wet. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Darth Skorpius
Legion of Darkwind Order of the Void
20
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:23:00 -
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Tippia wrote:which as surprises go is riggt up there with water being wet.
wait, water is wet? when did that happen and why did no one tell me? FICTION CONTEST! WIN A PAIR OF PLEX! http://phoenixdiaries.co.uk/skorpion352
Baa Means Baa! |
AdmiraI Thrawn
Anormalii S.A. Vera Cruz Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:25:00 -
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Samillian wrote:In my experience it is normal for almost ANY player to scam should the opportunity arise, no matter what their position in the EvE community. Not to do so is to waste the precious gift of another's stupidity.
Being on the CSM does not mean you stop playing the game and become a saint.
CSM should represent players, right? So if their Chairman is scamming players, can I suggest CCP not dealing with them at all? This guy is just sad...as someone said, it's just space money, the isk is not the issue. The CCP cooperation with this kind of people makes me wonder... |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
882
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:29:00 -
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AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:Samillian wrote:In my experience it is normal for almost ANY player to scam should the opportunity arise, no matter what their position in the EvE community. Not to do so is to waste the precious gift of another's stupidity.
Being on the CSM does not mean you stop playing the game and become a saint. CSM should represent players, right? So if their Chairman is scamming players, can I suggest CCP not dealing with them at all? This guy is just sad...as someone said, it's just space money, the isk is not the issue. The CCP cooperation with this kind of people makes me wonder... Guess you should have voted
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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