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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.02.12 16:39:00 -
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Oh boy. Thread locked for cleanup. ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISD_LackOfFaith on Twitter |
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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1086
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Posted - 2014.02.12 17:03:00 -
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ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Cleaned up the thread according to the above rules. Please stay on topic, polite, and constructive.
On topic? I don't think anyone knows what the hell the topic is!
Something about mining and mini-asteroids vs. full asteroids and downtime and making belts not profitable and I don't get it.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
507
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Posted - 2014.02.12 17:19:00 -
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The problem with producing exact numbers is that as you progress daily the belts you mine spawn with less and less meat to mine... so the numbers are a moving target. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.02.12 17:37:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:The problem with producing exact numbers is that as you progress daily the belts you mine spawn with less and less meat to mine... so the numbers are a moving target. What do you mean exactly? Somebody else said that the belts regenerate a fixed amount of m-¦.
Are you telling me that they regenerate actually less and less, until reaching a minimum regeneration? |
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.02.12 17:39:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:Me, personally, I would mine because I enjoy it.. I know odd, but I do, its also why I make a good pos monkey, I enjoy setting them up and running them I just HATE crying mails, but I digress. I never cared about m3, just how much I could pull. I went form a bantom to a thorax cause I could fit 5 miner 2's on them and use 8 heavy drones for defense (back in the day) I then switched to barges. I'd mine because it relaxes me and I can make some money. Never ran the numbers to look for the max amount of money, its not how I play, and why I tend to have just enough money to do what I want. That's a very good approach at playing the game and I approve wholeheartedly. :) |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
508
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Posted - 2014.02.12 17:52:00 -
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Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:The problem with producing exact numbers is that as you progress daily the belts you mine spawn with less and less meat to mine... so the numbers are a moving target. What do you mean exactly? Somebody else said that the belts regenerate a fixed amount of m-¦. Are you telling me that they regenerate actually less and less, until reaching a minimum regeneration? That is what I'm saying, the rocks get smaller as you mine them out every day until they only spawn at minimal size. ...and it takes days of rested spawns to return to full size again. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
99296
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Posted - 2014.02.12 17:58:00 -
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OP, your question is almost the same as asking these people how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Really. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.02.12 18:05:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:The problem with producing exact numbers is that as you progress daily the belts you mine spawn with less and less meat to mine... so the numbers are a moving target. What do you mean exactly? Somebody else said that the belts regenerate a fixed amount of m-¦. Are you telling me that they regenerate actually less and less, until reaching a minimum regeneration? That is what I'm saying, the rocks get smaller as you mine them out every day until they only spawn at minimal size. ...and it takes days of rested spawns to return to full size again. Yeah we've reached this already.
Do you, by chance, know the m-¦ of the smallest possible spawn? Or can you describe the visuals? |
Chad Ramsbottom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.02.12 18:14:00 -
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It's small. Could you just tell us what it is you're trying to calculate so we can skip all this beating around the bush? Are you asking what it would take to keep a belt indefinitely empty? |
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.02.12 18:18:00 -
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Chad Ramsbottom wrote:It's small. Could you just tell us what it is you're trying to calculate so we can skip all this beating around the bush? Are you asking what it would take to keep a belt indefinitely empty? Yeah but how small? I'm now skilling up a miner to find out, to stop bothering you people. I simply couldn't start earlier and thought that getting information can only help.
Keeping belts empty indefinitely isn't necessary. |
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
509
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Posted - 2014.02.12 19:17:00 -
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Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:Chad Ramsbottom wrote:It's small. Could you just tell us what it is you're trying to calculate so we can skip all this beating around the bush? Are you asking what it would take to keep a belt indefinitely empty? Yeah but how small? I'm now skilling up a miner to find out, to stop bothering you people. I simply couldn't start earlier and thought that getting information can only help. Keeping belts empty indefinitely isn't necessary. ok, I never had a reason to really find out.. because even amoung rocks of the same type the sizes vary.. but you can check the radius changes on the rocks as they spawn in the info or the volume if you scan them.. I will for the next 4 days run a test on the same rocks to see if I can shrink them to their smallest size and report. I will be starting on a well mined out belt. Is there an ore you are interested in? ...because sizes vary depending on ore type as well. It will be harder to report on the maximum size without guarding a rock around the clock; someone might siphon some of the material away with out your knowledge. I suspect that there is a percentile they shrink across the board after being popped.
Anyway, I'm testing on 4 standard veldspar rocks and one dense v. rock right now.. we'll see what they do over the next 4 days. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.02.12 19:33:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:Chad Ramsbottom wrote:It's small. Could you just tell us what it is you're trying to calculate so we can skip all this beating around the bush? Are you asking what it would take to keep a belt indefinitely empty? Yeah but how small? I'm now skilling up a miner to find out, to stop bothering you people. I simply couldn't start earlier and thought that getting information can only help. Keeping belts empty indefinitely isn't necessary. ok, I never had a reason to really find out.. because even amoung rocks of the same type the sizes vary.. but you can check the radius changes on the rocks as they spawn in the info or the volume if you scan them.. I will for the next 4 days run a test on the same rocks to see if I can shrink them to their smallest size and report. I will be starting on a well mined out belt. Is there an ore you are interested in? ...because sizes vary depending on ore type as well. It will be harder to report on the maximum size without guarding a rock around the clock; someone might siphon some of the material away with out your knowledge. I suspect that there is a percentile they shrink across the board after being popped. Anyway, I'm testing on 4 standard veldspar rocks and one dense v. rock right now.. we'll see what they do over the next 4 days. Wow, that's awesome ! Thanks for doing that! :D
Yeah the ore type ... good question. I guess going for veld is as good as any other. I'm wondering if the spawn mechanics get influenced by type or density? Aka that +5 or +10 spawn more/less? Good that you check that too! :D
Edit: If sizes vary depending on the type, wouldn't it make sense to go for the type with the smallest rocks? |
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.02.12 20:14:00 -
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I just found this! :D
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Locations_of_ore_and_ice_in_space |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2654
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Posted - 2014.02.12 21:35:00 -
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Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:Chad Ramsbottom wrote:It's small. Could you just tell us what it is you're trying to calculate so we can skip all this beating around the bush? Are you asking what it would take to keep a belt indefinitely empty? Yeah but how small? I'm now skilling up a miner to find out, to stop bothering you people. I simply couldn't start earlier and thought that getting information can only help. Keeping belts empty indefinitely isn't necessary.
Isn't necessary for what? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.02.12 22:12:00 -
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Yay I can fly a venture! Beats a merlin for mining! XD |
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.02.12 23:42:00 -
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One can turn off a mining laser any time and it doesn't cycle to it's end, meaning one can turn it off if an asteroid gets depleted in midst of a cycle AND can switch to a new asteroid instantly! ^^ |
Your Dad Naked
State War Academy Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2014.02.13 12:52:00 -
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If you're asking how long it would take to reduce each and every piece of ore to micro amounts - without despawning them altogether - then the most likely answer is no one knows.
Who would ever test such a thing?
Belt sizes vary anyways as do amounts. |
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.02.13 14:27:00 -
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Your Dad Naked wrote:If you're asking how long it would take to reduce each and every piece of ore to micro amounts - without despawning them altogether - then the most likely answer is no one knows.
Who would ever test such a thing?
Belt sizes vary anyways as do amounts. I'm at it already. Started in a venture. Some poster above too. Results are really interesting. :D Gonna have a mining OP today with a few people..... ;) |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2450
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:04:00 -
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Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:Your Dad Naked wrote:If you're asking how long it would take to reduce each and every piece of ore to micro amounts - without despawning them altogether - then the most likely answer is no one knows.
Who would ever test such a thing?
Belt sizes vary anyways as do amounts. I'm at it already. Started in a venture. Some poster above too. Results are really interesting. :D Gonna have a mining OP today with a few people..... ;)
Where will it be? I might join in. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:31:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:Your Dad Naked wrote:If you're asking how long it would take to reduce each and every piece of ore to micro amounts - without despawning them altogether - then the most likely answer is no one knows.
Who would ever test such a thing?
Belt sizes vary anyways as do amounts. I'm at it already. Started in a venture. Some poster above too. Results are really interesting. :D Gonna have a mining OP today with a few people..... ;) Where will it be? I might join in. It's no use trying to gank us and I will not bee with this character..... :)
If you're actually serious, send me a mail with the character you want to show up with. We're in Amarr space, close to Amarr itself. :) |
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3655
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:32:00 -
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The real question seems to be, what can we do so that no extra ore spawns after downtime? See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:35:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:The real question seems to be, what can we do so that no extra ore spawns after downtime? There's no mechanic out there useable to prevent that. As there's not enough experimental data out there yet, we'll gather our own. |
Makie Tachibana
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2014.02.13 18:43:00 -
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I also think OP is making a mistake in thinking that a set amount of m3 is regenerated during a downtime. In my experience, a belt is replaced during downtime. I go out right after, and the same asteroids are in the same place, day after day. They may vary in their volume, but I think that's RNG and not a factor of how much was left of them from the day before. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
163
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Posted - 2014.02.13 20:22:00 -
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Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:
Clarification seems needed. By 'profitability' I am talking about the fact that people will move to belts with bigger asteroids, when close ones only have micro asteroids not needing even one mining cycle until depletion. Maybe two?
This does not affect me. I have places I like to mine, and I mine until the rocks are gone. It annoys me when people leave partial rocks lying around, so I finish them off. I only move to a new belt after I mine all of the things. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
163
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Posted - 2014.02.13 20:31:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:
This sounds about right. Wild, ballpark averages though. A solo Hulk would take quite a lot longer if running the ore to station each fill-up. Hulk is not the best solo ship.
There is always jet can mining and an industrial... |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
26
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Posted - 2014.02.13 21:00:00 -
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gank them like everyone else does. |
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:05:00 -
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Sooo yesterday we cleaned a belt. Well ... half. The other half got mined by other people, besides two little rocks of scordite.
Now I log in and check ... and there are lots of small roids and most above 20k. No idea how it started after DT, as I sadly wasn't able to log in ... but that's really a lot of m-¦ from a previously empty belt.
This should be nerfed. |
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.02.15 11:31:00 -
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After completely wiping the belt yesterday, it's back today even more massive than the last time ... :(
Quite a few rocks even above 70k ... |
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