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Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2014.02.11 21:32:00 -
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For the past two weeks of skirmishes and diplomatic contact with Eve University and Ivy League personnel, it has become apparent that Eve University is a disruptive military presence inside Federation Space, and only intends to harm Federation interests.
After negotiating +5.0 standings at great pains and lengths with Eve University diplomats, a fleet of E-UNI ships engaged a Federal Defense Union fleet comprising of several alliances and numerous corporations. This engagement caused the destruction of several Gallente Militia Cruisers, and we retaliated against further acts of aggression by surgical attacks against those E-UNI pilots still engaging us.
After this incident, we contacted their diplomats directly to address our concerns. They claimed they would be cautious to not engage mix-standings fleets in the future, and in particular, watch local chat communications for any urgent communiques.
Now, as of this week, E-UNI leadership has announced a future campaign of piracy inside Federation Lowsec territory. This blatant violation of CONCORD regulations, without any extenuating circumstances such as Faction Warfare engagements, has raised alarm throughout the Gallente Militia.
As a result, we have terminated the Non Agression Pact with Eve University and their parent alliance. We do not intend on realigning our priorities, namely, fighting the Caldari State which is occupying several Federation systems, but we will take every action necessary to defend ourselves and Federation Interests.
-Julianus Soter Executor, Villore Accords
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Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
2954
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Posted - 2014.02.11 21:57:00 -
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Hurrah for Eve Uni!
Drop the hammer on those frogs.
Some old croney complained about today's youth in a recent IGS thread, and while I agree they can be trying at times these Uni students have restored my faith in quality education making all the difference.
Once they're old enough I'll buy the whole campus drinks. Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) Just an innocent explorer!-á pâä | -áWormhole Sisters of EVE Herrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
20
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Posted - 2014.02.11 22:46:00 -
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As mister Soter stated, the situation with the E-UNI is deteriorating.
I was somewhat reluctant even after I was present in the fleet that was attacked. The E-UNI pilots attacked only pilots that were non -blue to them. Then one of their Slicers attacked my Exequror and I had to destroy him with my Hammerheads! The action of one idiot does not mean the whole alliance is the enemy..... However, thinking back, they saw the blues in the fleet that attacked (even when they attacked non-blues - but they were part of the blue fleet). Also they announced this piracy campaign. We cannot stand idly by. These are not actions of someone who care for the best interest of
EL-G stands with Moira and the whole of GMVA: Acts of aggression from E-UNI or just preparation for it will be met with extreme prejudice.
D.M. CEO of Eleutherian Guard, member of GMVA
Edit: Ms Dusette... That Slicer killed by an Exequror's medium drones do raise questions about the quality of Eve Uni students quite strongly. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
5764
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Posted - 2014.02.11 23:22:00 -
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Mr. Soter, Mr. Mascani, E-UNI is another one of those organizations that honestly cares not a whit for the actions of the empires; as an independent capsuleer organization, I doubt EVE University pilots are even really aware of your nationalism, save in the vaguest terms. Odds are you're lumped in with the usual run of pirates and mercenaries that are drawn to the militia war.
And-- may I add? EVE University pilots are generally inexperienced. They are, after all, students, and aiming to learn. Crowing about the actions of a training academy is not unlike beginning a railing against a litter of kittens, or a pile of puppies, that happened to urinate on your favorite rug.
Priano Trans-Stellar is recruiting! Interested in nullsec combat? Research? Exploration? Contact Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1599
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Posted - 2014.02.11 23:53:00 -
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You should be more worried about getting rolled by a bunch of fresh-out-of academy capsuleers than making press statements at this point.
Good hunting Eve-U!
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2319
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Posted - 2014.02.11 23:57:00 -
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So basically the Villore Accords noticed a bunch of EvE University pilots working for SOE agents and said, "Hey, those guys look like easy targets" and the resulting mass gank attempt it didn't pan out they way they thought it would... did I get all that right?
Just making sure we're all clear on this.
Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
Gosakumori Noh
Seraglio Hastatus Hagia Sophia
474
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Posted - 2014.02.12 00:03:00 -
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I suspect the premise behind this exercise is "learn by doing." I do not imagine that getting blown up troubles the students involved, given that it is the likely (and quite possibly intended) outcome. Moreover, they have rather commendably chosen to fire on those who can be expected to fire back.
Some with military backgrounds might even see this as an admirable example of "live fire training." |
Maria Daphiti
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
4
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Posted - 2014.02.12 00:30:00 -
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Wowsers! A university with a work study program where you can roam space and go pew pew! This sounds exciting! How did I ever miss this? Thanks for the Heads up Mr. Soter! |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
880
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Posted - 2014.02.12 00:54:00 -
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This is a real good University, if it teaches students to fight against world gallenteanism.
Raise your students with knowledge, and not gallentean propaganda!
Show them frogs, where their place is! |
Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights Of Polaris
2
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Posted - 2014.02.12 04:03:00 -
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I agree in full with both gentlemen from Villore Accords. Acts of hostility against those aligned with Federation interests in Federation Space should not be tolerated. Regardless if this is an isolated incident or not, those parties involved with diplomatic matters for E-UNI should seek to reign in their pilots actions within Federation Space.
Furthermore if what Mr. Soter has stated is true regarding Eve University announcing "a future campaign of piracy inside Federation Lowsec territory." This alone stands as a disrespect towards Federation Territories and Laws, Concord Regulations, and serves to position E-UNI as a potential pirate and terrorist training organization operating illegally within the boundaries of The Federation.
In closing until this situation has been addressed by the university, I encourage all Gallentean Citizens to be prudent about business and dealings with E-UNI.
Noden Vorpalstar The Knights of Polaris
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Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
387
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Posted - 2014.02.12 04:35:00 -
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They're new pilots. Half of them struggle with their overviews and have no knowledge about the clusters politics and other diplomatic issues.
Stop acting surprised. They're not terrorists. They're students. From the sounds of it, they didn't even shoot blues but people without standings with them (they've always been NBSI in lo-sec, by the way). They used to roam around Amamake to train their pilots in warfare and it was no different then.
I don't particularly find this news-worthy. I understand it's just a statement of intent but, while it trys to justify dropping standings with them, the justification isn't really there.
Also, I'd like a link to this announcement about piracy so I can read it myself. A cursory search on gal-net returned no such results.
-Eran |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2112
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Posted - 2014.02.12 04:42:00 -
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Would it be possible to read E-UNI's position on this? Has Villore Accords engaged in any unprovoked/traitorous hostilities of their own against E-UNI? Did E-UNI fail to emphasize the non-aggression pact with their fleet commanders?
E-UNI has always been neutral to Empire and Empire Loyalist factions. I highly doubt they would engage Gallentean militia forces with malice. However, if E-UNI is truly engaging in malicious attacks against Gallente militias, I encourage our guys and gals in green to return the favor. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
355
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Posted - 2014.02.12 07:34:00 -
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To summarize: Gallente Militia fleet ravaged by a bunch of juvenile students who barely know which side of a rocket launcher to turn at the target, Villore Accords call them 'evil terrorists' and 'pirates' in order to save face.
Hilarious.
Though, having been out in Placid last night, with every Gallente group running away from the Angel fleet, I have to say I'm not too surprised.
I think the funniest part, however, is Federal elements still making its empty hegemonial claims over Placid. Seriously, that's so 112.
- Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation recruitment open. |
Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
201
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Posted - 2014.02.12 07:34:00 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:They're new pilots. Half of them struggle with their overviews and have no knowledge about the clusters politics and other diplomatic issues.
Stop acting surprised. They're not terrorists. They're students. From the sounds of it, they didn't even shoot blues but people without standings with them (they've always been NBSI in lo-sec, by the way). They used to roam around Amamake to train their pilots in warfare and it was no different then.
I don't particularly find this news-worthy. I understand it's just a statement of intent but, while it trys to justify dropping standings with them, the justification isn't really there.
Also, I'd like a link to this announcement about piracy so I can read it myself. A cursory search on gal-net returned no such results.
-Eran
The relevant information is located here. |
Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
201
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Posted - 2014.02.12 07:37:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:To summarize: Gallente Militia fleet ravaged by a bunch of juvenile students who barely know which side of a rocket launcher to turn at the target, Villore Accords call them 'evil terrorists' and 'pirates' in order to save face.
Hilarious.
Though, having been out, patrolling Placid last night, with every Gallente group running away from the Angel fleet, I have to say I'm not too surprised.
I think the funniest part, however, is Federal elements still making its empty hegemonial claims over Placid. Seriously, that's so 112.
Why on earth would we engage 25 Sacrileges when I could sidstep their targeting speed in an Tech 1 cruiser? Your bloated claims of superiority are belied by the fact you achieved essentially no combat kills for the duration of your operation, except those you could find located around Barleguet and piloted by Brave Newbies Collective pilots. Truly the epitome of skill, that. |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
387
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Posted - 2014.02.12 07:46:00 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:Eran Mintor wrote:They're new pilots. Half of them struggle with their overviews and have no knowledge about the clusters politics and other diplomatic issues.
Stop acting surprised. They're not terrorists. They're students. From the sounds of it, they didn't even shoot blues but people without standings with them (they've always been NBSI in lo-sec, by the way). They used to roam around Amamake to train their pilots in warfare and it was no different then.
I don't particularly find this news-worthy. I understand it's just a statement of intent but, while it trys to justify dropping standings with them, the justification isn't really there.
Also, I'd like a link to this announcement about piracy so I can read it myself. A cursory search on gal-net returned no such results.
-Eran The relevant information is located here.
Thank you.
I must say I'm surprised to see them claiming to just now be going NBSI in low-sec when my experience had led me to believe it was always that way. Depends on their fleet commander, I suppose.
-Eran |
Karynn Denton
Clan Katanga Caravan
98
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Posted - 2014.02.12 10:27:00 -
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E-UNI have fired on me in lowsec more than once.
But then again, I'm red and flashy. I'm like that in your overview, too
Thukker Outrider, Frigateer and Booster-Smuggler. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
882
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:26:00 -
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I would like to remind everyone, that Amevync, Pegeler, Viriette, Fislipenses and Serthoulde constellations of Placid region are zone of interests of the State, and we will continue fighting for them, until last remains of gallentean influence will be dealt with.
People of Placid deserve to live as humans, in properly organized societies, and to live in prosperity according to their merits, and not being exploited by gallenteans bureaucracy and propaganda.
People need to eat food and buy quality consumer products, and not empty gallentean words, useless democracies and so called freedoms. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
665
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:55:00 -
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Maybe you should write them a cease and desist letter. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
882
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:01:00 -
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I prefer not. The more they resist, the more of them will die. |
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
4332
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:58:00 -
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What times are E-UNI most active in that area?
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Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
2958
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Posted - 2014.02.12 19:58:00 -
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Desra Mascani wrote:Ms Dusette... That Slicer killed by an Exequror's medium drones do raise questions about the quality of Eve Uni students quite strongly. I haven't gone researching any combat records surrounding this so have no idea what Slicer you're talkin' about Mr Mascani, nor do I understand what that has to do with cuisses de grenouille or the price of toasters.
The mere fact these kids are giving the Gallente a headache, let alone brave enough to fight opponents who're apparently above their weight, is worthy of praise. Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) Just an innocent explorer!-á pâä | -áWormhole Sisters of EVE Herrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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Nyjil Lizaru
Aideron Robotics
21
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Posted - 2014.02.12 20:27:00 -
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This current state of heightened aggression between my alma mater and my current brothers-in-arms causes me some distress. EVE University has frequently faced calls from within (and from many alumni) to be full NBSI, however until this new announcement takes effect, when in low-sec they are only permitted to fire first upon criminals.
This has hobbled the training of the eager young people who flock to their hallowed halls and has led to some non-optimal habits. While I do admit to concern about the interference that they may have upon the war effort; I think that so long as they do not appear to favor one side over the other, then I am glad that they are embarking on a course to better educate their students for the harsh realities that exist in our universe.
Have said that, I must confess to some confusion regarding your original NAP: were you led to believe that the entire FDU would be blue? We in the militia function frequently in fleets with multiple different corporations represented, many with much different sets of 'blues'. The total blame for the confusion that this creates surely can not be laid at the feet of such new capsuleers, can it? |
Bairfhionn Isu
EVE University Ivy League
31
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Posted - 2014.02.12 20:31:00 -
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With the start of the Empyrean Age more than nearly 11 years ago the universe was flooded with new capsuleers. Rules were set in place by CONCORD and other entities.
With the new age came new problems. Capsuleers were uneducated and didn't find a place in this universe and soon returned back to their worlds or even terminated their last clone. The authorities obviously failed to educated the capsuleers. Yes, the empires created their own educational corporations but they never really took care of them. There are some dedicated agents who help new capsuleers but those barely scratch the surface.
As a reaction EVE University was founded in YC 106 and is nearing its 10th birthday (on March 15th). It was founded to give new Capsuleers a jump start.
The University doesn't care what their students do after they leave. They can become pirates, traders or even politicians. It is totally up to the student. The University is striving to provide the best education possible. Since YC 115 every capsuleer can take part in classes without even being a student! Fast forward to YC 116. Times have changed. Thanks to the fact that you can now pay CONCORD to repair your Security Status has made things quite different in Low Sec.
In the beginning the University was NRDS in Low- and Null Security Space. After some years the leadership of the University has changed its stance in Null to NBSI, mainly because nearly everyone did it. The students had to wait to be shot at to retaliate which led to losses that could have been avoided. Same is now happening in Low Sec. We can... no, we WILL not allow that our students are at a disadvantage.
If the Empires or their Militias had taken care of Low Security Space and retaliated against the pirates and provide safe passage for everyone venturing through, it would not have come to this. We do not differenciate between Gallente, Caldari, Amarr, Minmatar or Pirate. Everyone neutral or below is considered a valid target from March 15th on for the duration of a month. Be aware that this is just a test run. We do not want to become pirates. We do not want to camp all the star gates in Low Sec. We will not take ransoms or take part in any war.
The University has a open Non-Aggression-Pact-Policy. Everyone is free to contact our diplomats to ask for positive standings. We always grant the standing. Or you don't do it. if you fail to fight against a bunch of unexperienced Capsuleers maybe you don't deserve to sit in your ship.
Bairfhionn Isu Director of Education |
Sofia Roseburn
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
114
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Posted - 2014.02.12 20:46:00 -
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Congratulations on completely avoiding the point Soter has made though. You've clarified your stance for the future, but he is talking about the present.
March 15th hasn't come around yet, and whilst I imagine some people will be applauding you for the change in your tuition you've not done a thing to explain why your test run appears to have started a month (ish) early. If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
118
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Posted - 2014.02.12 20:48:00 -
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Bairfhionn Isu wrote:With the start of the Empyrean Age more than nearly 11 years ago the universe was flooded with new capsuleers. Rules were set in place by CONCORD and other entities.
With the new age came new problems. Capsuleers were uneducated and didn't find a place in this universe and soon returned back to their worlds or even terminated their last clone. The authorities obviously failed to educated the capsuleers. Yes, the empires created their own educational corporations but they never really took care of them. There are some dedicated agents who help new capsuleers but those barely scratch the surface.
As a reaction EVE University was founded in YC 106 and is nearing its 10th birthday (on March 15th). It was founded to give new Capsuleers a jump start.
The University doesn't care what their students do after they leave. They can become pirates, traders or even politicians. It is totally up to the student. The University is striving to provide the best education possible. Since YC 115 every capsuleer can take part in classes without even being a student! Fast forward to YC 116. Times have changed. Thanks to the fact that you can now pay CONCORD to repair your Security Status has made things quite different in Low Sec.
In the beginning the University was NRDS in Low- and Null Security Space. After some years the leadership of the University has changed its stance in Null to NBSI, mainly because nearly everyone did it. The students had to wait to be shot at to retaliate which led to losses that could have been avoided. Same is now happening in Low Sec. We can... no, we WILL not allow that our students are at a disadvantage.
If the Empires or their Militias had taken care of Low Security Space and retaliated against the pirates and provide safe passage for everyone venturing through, it would not have come to this. We do not differenciate between Gallente, Caldari, Amarr, Minmatar or Pirate. Everyone neutral or below is considered a threat to our students from March 15th on for the duration of a month.
Be aware that this is just a test run. We do not want to become pirates. We do not want to camp all the star gates in Low Sec. We will not take ransoms or take part in any war.
The University has a open Non-Aggression-Pact-Policy. Everyone is free to contact our diplomats to ask for positive standings. We always grant the standing. Or you don't do it. if you fail to fight against a bunch of unexperienced Capsuleers maybe you don't deserve to sit in your ship.
Bairfhionn Isu Director of Education Summary: -History lesson -engage in politics or learn to fight
Bout right? The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
2959
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Posted - 2014.02.12 20:49:00 -
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Bairfhionn Isu wrote:We do not differenciate between Gallente, Caldari, Amarr, Minmatar or Pirate. Everyone neutral or below is considered a threat This attitude is common and to be expected, and respected, by any pilot who frequents low-security space.
However it seems the only ones complaining are the frogs.
Go figure.
*Rubs her eyes and makes a poutey face*
I salute you and your courageous students for eliciting the Federation's upset, ma'am. Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) Just an innocent explorer!-á pâä | -áWormhole Sisters of EVE Herrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
389
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Posted - 2014.02.12 20:59:00 -
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Considering specific details of the engagement are not public knowledge, it is not yet safe to assume they breached their RoE or initiated their campaign earlier than mentioned. It's entirely possible that either a) the pilots initially attacked were considered criminal by CONCORD (ie. -5 security) therefore maintaining their previous RoE, or b) the neutral pilots engaged first.
With that said, I support this move on their part and truly believe this fiasco could've been avoided had the FDU pilots without mutual standings used common sense. Too many unrealistic assumptions were made here on the FDU's part.
-Eran |
Sofia Roseburn
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
114
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Posted - 2014.02.12 21:04:00 -
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At this stage both parties representatives have made their respective statements and the Eve University has not decided to refute the turn of events as described by Soter. As such, it is perfectly reasonable to question the engagement circumstances, or do we have to catch someone saying "oh yeah, I shot them for the hell of it" before you're willing to take an objective look at the situation? If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
389
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Posted - 2014.02.12 21:10:00 -
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I am being objective. I'm not going to make baseless assumptions though. That would be the opposite of objectivity, no?
Nowhere does the original statement claim that EVE-Uni fired first, or that the pilots involved weren't marked as criminals. I suggest you re-read it.
-Eran |
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