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Stealie McGrabbyhand
TYR. Exodus.
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:06:00 -
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It is extremely easy to have a license in where you give CCP the right to use YOUR IP (logo) in their game to display in the alliance information window. Also very simple to allow the owner of the IP to choose to allow or disallow outside entities from accessing a stored image file of your logo stored on CCP servers for killboards, tournaments, and other 3rd party sites. If at any point you want them to stop, you send a cease and desist, and they uncheck the boxes. Easy.
The issue is that CCP doesn't want to restrict itself from making future profit off of your IP. Just like facebook, YOU are the product here. CCP is in a weird situation where they want the right to make profit (direct or indirect) off of your work without just saying it outright. It's not about liability, it's about profit.
If CCP would just back off from trying to own your IP and implement a simple 2-step license like in the first paragraph, where players own their IP and allow CCP to use it under those situations, this issue would be solved.
CCP owns your character data and everything in game. CCP does not own your IP and creative works.
Signing over ownership of your creative works to CCP means that YOU can be sued any time in the future if you use YOUR logo, name, or anything else eve related in a youtube video, stream or other type of broadcast. You are then making a profit off of their IP that you signed over, and they CAN sue you.
Screw that. There are tons of people that make real life money off of being gamers. Some even make a living off of it. These people then are open to legal action from CCP.
What i see so far amounts to "CCP owns everything, but we pwomise not to bother/sue you. Pwomise. Unless you make enough money off it for it to be worth our time to go after you."
Personally, I'm tired of being treated like a product that can be milked of anything profitable, especially from a GAME that I have to PAY for.
As CCP says, "Greed is good."
Get yours. Don't let CCP make you into a sucker.
Alliance logos are by far the most valuable IP in this game. Don't sign yours over. Make sure CCP understands that signing over your IP is unacceptable.
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For those of you confused as to why CCP is trying to do this, imagine this scenario:
It is the year 2020. EVE subscribership has increased dramatically. Over 100 million people play eve and a million are on at a time. The game is so popular, CCP is selling books describing the exploits of famous pilots, corporations, and alliances. They are selling T-shirts, pens, anything you can think of with the logos of the more famous alliances on it. CCP markets alliance-related products to your alliance members, who are more than happy to buy merchandise with their beloved alliance logo (that is owned by CCP) on it. Huge profits are made by CCP, and none of it goes to the original artist, who had to PAY CCP for the subscription to be able to submit their artwork to be stolen in the first place.
You do something epic in eve that people hear about, it increases the value of the associated IP. The more epic things you do, the more CCP gets paid.
Greed is good.
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It almost feels like CCP is purposely delaying this so people forget their previous IP is mostly protected. They then come out with an extremely well worded ironclad contract where you get screwed out of owning your IP if you want an alliance logo. Some people have been waiting for close to a year for a new logo. It would take a competent lawyer a few hours work to write up a suitable contract that allows CCP to use your IP. Not 8 months.
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I would also like to point out something in the dev blog written on 13.02.2014 linked to in the OP:
"CCPGÇÖs ownership of everything used in the game client is necessary under current intellectual property law and is also an industry standard practice in the MMO-space."
This is not necessary under current IP law. Talk to Judge Dredd again. Industry standard practice in the MMO-space is to design the logo with a tool IN-GAME, from a limited set of graphics, which the company then owns. Just like eve corporation logos. There is no way to somehow come up with an already copyrighted logo that way if you didn't first put the graphics into the selection set for the player to choose. This is not the same as eve where you design a completely unique piece of artwork that is then imported into eve. WoW, the industry standard, uses this method to protect themselves from liability, and allow the process to be automated. CCP is encouraging us to create our own custom logos which they process in a batch with a real person controlling the process.
CCP kind of shot themselves in the foot when they allowed user-created logos in the first place. There is no possible way they can verify that the logo submitted is not copyrighted somewhere. This means that you can create an alliance logo that is copyrighted, "sign over" the rights to something you don't own to CCP, which CCP then uses. CCP is already open to legal action in this way, so HAVING to sign over the IP does not protect CCP from legal action from a third party. It only protects them from you, their customer.
So, the reason why CCP wants you to sign over the IP you own is so CCP can't be sued by YOU over the IP you signed over. Logic for idiots. Oh... that and profits.
Another line from the same blog: "Under our EULA, when Alliances and corporations are created in game, their names become part of EVEGÇÖs intellectual property (GÇ£IPGÇ¥). "
I just found a corporation in eve called "Monsanto Corporation". I believe Monsanto would like a word with you regarding this statement.
TL;DR: CCP wants to own and monetize your alliance logo. You could be the one owning and monetizing your alliance logo.
Hodor: Hodor Hodooooooor Hodorhodor Hodoooorrrrrr! (Hodor getting fisted)
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Amely Miles
Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate
27
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:04:00 -
[362] - Quote
Stealie McGrabbyhand wrote:It is extremely easy to have a license in where you give CCP the right to use YOUR IP (logo) in their game to display in the alliance information window. Also very simple to allow the owner of the IP to choose to allow or disallow outside entities from accessing a stored image file of your logo stored on CCP servers for killboards, tournaments, and other 3rd party sites. If at any point you want them to stop, you send a cease and desist, and they uncheck the boxes. Easy.
The issue is that CCP doesn't want to restrict itself from making future profit off of your IP. Just like facebook, YOU are the product here. CCP is in a weird situation where they want the right to make profit (direct or indirect) off of your work without just saying it outright. It's not about liability, it's about profit.
If CCP would just back off from trying to own your IP and implement a simple 2-step license like in the first paragraph, where players own their IP and allow CCP to use it under those situations, this issue would be solved.
CCP owns your character data and everything in game. CCP does not own your IP and creative works.
Signing over ownership of your creative works to CCP means that YOU can be sued any time in the future if you use YOUR logo, name, or anything else eve related in a youtube video, stream or other type of broadcast. You are then making a profit off of their IP that you signed over, and they CAN sue you.
Screw that. There are tons of people that make real life money off of being gamers. Some even make a living off of it. These people then are open to legal action from CCP.
What i see so far amounts to "CCP owns everything, but we pwomise not to bother/sue you. Pwomise. Unless you make enough money off it for it to be worth our time to go after you."
Personally, I'm tired of being treated like a product that can be milked of anything profitable, especially from a GAME that I have to PAY for.
As CCP says, "Greed is good."
Get yours. Don't let CCP make you into a sucker.
Alliance logos are by far the most valuable IP in this game. Don't sign yours over. Make sure CCP understands that signing over your IP is unacceptable.
---
For those of you confused as to why CCP is trying to do this, imagine this scenario:
It is the year 2020. EVE subscribership has increased dramatically. Over 100 million people play eve and a million are on at a time. The game is so popular, CCP is selling books describing the exploits of famous pilots, corporations, and alliances. They are selling T-shirts, pens, anything you can think of with the logos of the more famous alliances on it. CCP markets alliance-related products to your alliance members, who are more than happy to buy merchandise with their beloved alliance logo (that is owned by CCP) on it. Huge profits are made by CCP, and none of it goes to the original artist, who had to PAY CCP for the subscription to be able to submit their artwork to be stolen in the first place.
You do something epic in eve that people hear about, it increases the value of the associated IP. The more epic things you do, the more CCP gets paid.
Greed is good.
---
It almost feels like CCP is purposely delaying this so people forget their previous IP is mostly protected. They then come out with an extremely well worded ironclad contract where you get screwed out of owning your IP if you want an alliance logo. Some people have been waiting for close to a year for a new logo. It would take a competent lawyer a few hours work to write up a suitable contract that allows CCP to use your IP. Not 8 months.
---
I would also like to point out something in the dev blog written on 13.02.2014 linked to in the OP:
"CCPGÇÖs ownership of everything used in the game client is necessary under current intellectual property law and is also an industry standard practice in the MMO-space."
This is not necessary under current IP law. Talk to Judge Dredd again. Industry standard practice in the MMO-space is to design the logo with a tool IN-GAME, from a limited set of graphics, which the company then owns. Just like eve corporation logos. There is no way to somehow come up with an already copyrighted logo that way if you didn't first put the graphics into the selection set for the player to choose. This is not the same as eve where you design a completely unique piece of artwork that is then imported into eve. WoW, the industry standard, uses this method to protect themselves from liability, and allow the process to be automated. CCP is encouraging us to create our own custom logos which they process in a batch with a real person controlling the process.
CCP kind of shot themselves in the foot when they allowed user-created logos in the first place. There is no possible way they can verify that the logo submitted is not copyrighted somewhere. This means that you can create an alliance logo that is copyrighted, "sign over" the rights to something you don't own to CCP, which CCP then uses. CCP is already open to legal action in this way, so HAVING to sign over the IP does not protect CCP from legal action from a third party. It only protects them from you, their customer.
So, the reason why CCP wants you to sign over the IP you own is so CCP can't be sued by YOU over the IP you signed over. Logic for idiots. Oh... that and profits.
Another line from the same blog: "Under our EULA, when Alliances and corporations are created in game, their names become part of EVEGÇÖs intellectual property (GÇ£IPGÇ¥). "
I just found a corporation in eve called "Monsanto Corporation". I believe Monsanto would like a word with you regarding this statement.
TL;DR: CCP wants to own and monetize your alliance logo. You could be the one owning and monetizing your alliance logo.
Hodor: Hodor Hodooooooor Hodorhodor Hodoooorrrrrr! (Hodor getting fisted)
+1 what this guy said |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
511
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Posted - 2014.08.29 05:20:00 -
[363] - Quote
Still here. Still haven't forgotten. Still waiting for a result. |
Amely Miles
Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate
27
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Posted - 2014.08.29 07:10:00 -
[364] - Quote
Never Forget. Never Surrender. Fight the Power! |
TheSmokingHertog
TALIBAN EXPRESS
243
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Posted - 2014.08.29 11:48:00 -
[365] - Quote
Has david already promised isk to monitor thread progress for him? |
Amely Miles
Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate
27
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Posted - 2014.09.01 15:28:00 -
[366] - Quote
heres a bump |
Yongtau Naskingar
Yongtau Naskingar Corporation
72
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Posted - 2014.09.08 12:32:00 -
[367] - Quote
If you look at the legalese in FRIENDS, PILOTS, FLEETMATES, SEND US YOUR EARS!, you'll see CCP does know the rights words.
e.g.:
Quote:3. You grant CCP a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable and non-exclusive right and license to use, reproduce, publish, post, translate, distribute, and display the comms worldwide and/or incorporate the comms or any portion thereof in other works in any form or media, known now or later developed.
So either they just don't care about alliance logos to apply it here, or they really, really want ownership of your stuffz. |
Amely Miles
Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate
27
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Posted - 2014.09.08 12:46:00 -
[368] - Quote
I don't mind sharing but i don't want to give it all away |
David Laurentson
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
99
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Posted - 2014.09.11 18:15:00 -
[369] - Quote
I'd almost forgotten this thread. |
Amely Miles
Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate
28
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Posted - 2014.09.11 18:28:00 -
[370] - Quote
I'll Never forget as i will require retaining my IP inorder to remain in Eve...That or a divorce |
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TheSmokingHertog
TALIBAN EXPRESS
244
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Posted - 2014.09.12 04:34:00 -
[371] - Quote
David Laurentson wrote:I'd almost forgotten this thread.
Were is our isk? |
David Laurentson
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
99
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Posted - 2014.09.15 12:38:00 -
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TheSmokingHertog wrote:David Laurentson wrote:I'd almost forgotten this thread. Were is our isk?
What? |
Jenna Alison
A-Clinic Curatores Veritatis Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.09.22 02:06:00 -
[373] - Quote
Some CCP members browses this thread everyday, to check if we have forgotten it :p |
Amely Miles
Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate
29
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Posted - 2014.09.22 08:18:00 -
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/me starts singing ...never going to give up never going to give up ...never going to give up never going to give up ...whoa whoa whoa whooooaa!! |
5pitf1re
Killing is Business Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2014.09.24 13:39:00 -
[375] - Quote
Any news on this CCP? |
Amely Miles
Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate
29
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Posted - 2014.09.24 13:54:00 -
[376] - Quote
shhh .. ccp is currently in the process of trying to get us to forget |
Dorijan
Hoover Inc. Pandemic Legion
59
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Posted - 2014.09.24 20:28:00 -
[377] - Quote
Hey Seagull, remember this? |
Enaris Kerle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
157
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Posted - 2014.09.28 21:54:00 -
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I guess leaving the topic to die is still better PR than outright telling people "we want to own your stuff". Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm. |
RDevz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
191
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Posted - 2014.09.28 22:08:00 -
[379] - Quote
Dorijan wrote:Hey Seagull, remember this?
You'll notice she didn't specify which August. My money is August 2019. ~ |
Amely Miles
Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate
30
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Posted - 2014.09.29 09:37:00 -
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This is my Bump. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My Bump is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. My Bump, without me, is useless. Without my Bump, I am useless. I must Bump my threads daily. I must Bump more then my competitors. I must Bump my threads to the top. I will Bump... My Bump and I know that what counts on forums is not the threads we make, the noise of our chatter, nor the likes we get. We know that it is the Bumps that count. We will Bump... My Bump is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength. I will keep my Bump clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will Bump... Before Eve, I swear this creed. My Bump and I are the defenders of my threads. We are the masters of our posts. We are the saviors of Eve. So be it, until victory is absolute and there is no enemy, but peace! |
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Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
171
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:25:00 -
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How about letting us use the "corp logo" creator for alliance logos too?
This way we aren't all stuck with the same crappy logo this whole time?
This way alliances of less than 150 active members can have their own logo anyways?
DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR LOGIKKKZZZ iz hurrrd |
Amely Miles
Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate
31
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Posted - 2014.10.01 08:31:00 -
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still here ccp and yes i do let other ceo's and alliance ceo's know about this thread |
Capqu
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
700
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:58:00 -
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when the **** can i have a logo jesus christ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNpMiT5qpyI |
Dradis Aulmais
Ignite Llc. V.L.A.S.T
6
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Posted - 2014.10.02 12:16:37 -
[384] - Quote
A bump cuz I want to submit my logo. |
Yongtau Naskingar
Yongtau Naskingar Corporation
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Posted - 2014.10.13 11:55:51 -
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Can I play the bumping game? |
Amely Miles
Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate
32
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Posted - 2014.10.13 14:54:44 -
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As a long time v+¬t+¬ran of eve i have to Say CCP Is doing a Great job with the r+¬cent changes and the upcoming ones as well...however This Alliance logo crap is complete BS and the amount of time it's taking to get updates and This issue resolved Is enfuryating . This Is absolutley the worst customer service i have ever experienced.
Favorite Quotes:
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Yes that is a Banana in my Pocket
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Amely Miles
Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate
32
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Posted - 2014.10.16 14:14:48 -
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were still here ccp o/
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Yes that is a Banana in my Pocket
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Amely Miles
Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate
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Posted - 2014.10.20 08:36:08 -
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this is your brain this....is your brain on BUMP
Favorite Quotes:
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Yes that is a Banana in my Pocket
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Iudicium Vastus
Incognito Holdings and Savings
309
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Posted - 2014.10.20 10:26:19 -
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Holy F'in Hell how long can it take to draft up simple shared licensing things?!!
[u]Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW?[/u] No, just..
-Fit more points
-Fit faction points
-Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too)
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Amely Miles
Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate
32
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Posted - 2014.10.20 12:37:34 -
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Iudicium Vastus wrote:Holy F'in Hell how long can it take to draft up simple shared licensing things?!!
+1
also this thread started february 13 2014 ....i think weve waited long enough CCP
Edit: just checked and last Update by CCP Falcon was june 22 2014....time for a new update maybe?
Favorite Quotes:
In Space No one flings Poo!!
Yes that is a Banana in my Pocket
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