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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
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Posted - 2015.01.24 19:47:52 -
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From CSM 9 Winter Summit - Day Four Meeting Minutes
Quote:CCP Falcon explained that CCP knows what they want to do as an alliance logo policy. As discussed in previous CSM minutes, CCP will create a derivative work by modifying the logo with a frame or watermark. Players then retain ownership of the original logo, and they can do whatever they want with that.
The derivative logo with the frame would go into the client, and be displayed as now.
CCP Falcon said that the hang-up in preventing the policy from being drafted and going out was that the technical requirements were not finalized. The art system is changing, and this means that the technical requirements can't be finalized. Once the changes are done, then CCP can finalize the logo requirements and accept them again once the graphics changes in game had been finalized.
Once CCP accepts new logos, they have to remove the old ones. The timeline will be to accept new logos first, then at a deadline, transplant new logos in and overwrite old ones, removing logos which haven't been resubmitted.
After this, the logo process would be opened up. If anyone wanted a new logo to replace their old one, they could submit a new one and it would be overwritten.
Akrasjel Lanate
General Director(CEO) of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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Subsparx
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.01.30 23:05:36 -
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I'm interested to see what this frame/watermark actually is. I've been sitting on a logo for my alliance since before it was created, and they disabled submissions shortly before my alliance was allowed to submit ours finally. Cannot wait for this to be implemented again.
CEO of Crimson Serpent Syndicate --áwww.crimsonserpent.com
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Bob Maths
EVE University Ivy League
25
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Posted - 2015.02.09 20:47:51 -
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I suspect that the contract terms as per the EULA make any IP dispute subject to Icelandic law, of which their legal team will be experienced in. However that depends if the higher courts in the EU, or even the icelandic courts (or any residential courts) would actually enforce that (if you could take it that far), furthermore are there any test cases that adequately define the ownership of content uploaded to the game for the purposes of representation of in-game groups or the extent of the enforcement of the contract terms? |
Ortho Loess
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
51
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Posted - 2015.02.09 21:14:37 -
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Bob Maths wrote:I suspect that the contract terms as per the EULA make any IP dispute subject to Icelandic law, of which their legal team will be experienced in. However that depends if the higher courts in the EU, or even the icelandic courts (or any residential courts) would actually enforce that (if you could take it that far), furthermore are there any test cases that adequately define the ownership of content uploaded to the game for the purposes of representation of in-game groups or the extent of the enforcement of the contract terms?
The legal department is apparently based in America. At least all those we have had contact with are. They also seem to lack any knowledge whatsoever of any other counties' laws, or even the faculty to acknowledge that other countries have laws.
You are correct that the EULA states that all disputes must be settled in the courts in Iceland. The decision to use lawyers who only know US law seems odd to me. |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
17104
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Posted - 2015.02.10 03:07:03 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:From CSM 9 Winter Summit - Day Four Meeting MinutesQuote:CCP Falcon explained that CCP knows what they want to do as an alliance logo policy. As discussed in previous CSM minutes, CCP will create a derivative work by modifying the logo with a frame or watermark. Players then retain ownership of the original logo, and they can do whatever they want with that.
The derivative logo with the frame would go into the client, and be displayed as now.
CCP Falcon said that the hang-up in preventing the policy from being drafted and going out was that the technical requirements were not finalized. The art system is changing, and this means that the technical requirements can't be finalized. Once the changes are done, then CCP can finalize the logo requirements and accept them again once the graphics changes in game had been finalized.
Once CCP accepts new logos, they have to remove the old ones. The timeline will be to accept new logos first, then at a deadline, transplant new logos in and overwrite old ones, removing logos which haven't been resubmitted.
After this, the logo process would be opened up. If anyone wanted a new logo to replace their old one, they could submit a new one and it would be overwritten. A watermark or frame? Won't that cause issues i.e. altering the intent of the original logo? I can see what they mean, but that sounds like a poor method, unless the alliances get a say in what the end product looks like.
A City made of Wood is built in the forest
A City made of Stone is built in the mountains
But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven.
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Bob Maths
EVE University Ivy League
25
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Posted - 2015.02.10 04:02:56 -
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote: A watermark or frame? Won't that cause issues i.e. altering the intent of the original logo? I can see what they mean, but that sounds like a poor method, unless the alliances get a say in what the end product looks like.
Sounds to me basically CCP are essentially just using that as a cover to assert their rights over the submitted content. |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
136
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Posted - 2015.02.10 14:00:23 -
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sounds good :)
EVEALON Creative --á****Logo Design | Killboard Banners | -áWeb Design | Website Graphics
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Druadan
Freighters Under Construction Support Services Bloodline.
25
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Posted - 2015.02.16 11:41:26 -
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Darius JOHNSON wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:Klyith wrote:Pinky Hops wrote: That's right, you should look it up!
Suggesting that CCP having an alliance logo in their game, owned by someone else*, is in any way equivalent to fair use allowing a coke can in a movie or talking about New Kids in a poll, it idiotic. I can't print Coca-Cola shirts and have it be fair use. I can't name my alliance "New Kids on the Block". *or vice-vesa: CCP owned but used by someone making shirts ...What? Yes. You can't print Coca-Cola shirts and sell them much like CCP wouldn't be able to print Goonswarm shirts and sell them. Well, they could - but they could be sued. Goonswarm could print their own Goonswarm t-shirts and sell them though - whether or not CCP wanted it to happen or not. The "fair use" was about a third party potentially not caring if their logo exists inside the fictional universe of EVE. Except that CCP here is claiming ownership of the Goonswarm logo, which they absolutely do NOT have, therefore we need their PERMISSION to sell our own shirts. (in magical CCP land where making a post on a forum insisting you own something that you don't makes it yours)
CCP made this
Let 2015 be the year that CCP ends its builtin support for metagaming.
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Amely Miles
Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate
47
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Posted - 2015.02.16 22:08:06 -
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Druadan wrote:Darius JOHNSON wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:Klyith wrote:Pinky Hops wrote: That's right, you should look it up!
Suggesting that CCP having an alliance logo in their game, owned by someone else*, is in any way equivalent to fair use allowing a coke can in a movie or talking about New Kids in a poll, it idiotic. I can't print Coca-Cola shirts and have it be fair use. I can't name my alliance "New Kids on the Block". *or vice-vesa: CCP owned but used by someone making shirts ...What? Yes. You can't print Coca-Cola shirts and sell them much like CCP wouldn't be able to print Goonswarm shirts and sell them. Well, they could - but they could be sued. Goonswarm could print their own Goonswarm t-shirts and sell them though - whether or not CCP wanted it to happen or not. The "fair use" was about a third party potentially not caring if their logo exists inside the fictional universe of EVE. Except that CCP here is claiming ownership of the Goonswarm logo, which they absolutely do NOT have, therefore we need their PERMISSION to sell our own shirts. (in magical CCP land where making a post on a forum insisting you own something that you don't makes it yours) CCP made this
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Nolan Kotulan
Nova Tabula Rasa
92
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Posted - 2015.02.18 00:00:23 -
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Dani Maulerant wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:To judge i would have to see the amount of option such "tool" would provide. Probably what's in the corporation logo toolset, +25% more of those cookie cutter layer options, and then 4 more color options. Also, I would believe I am speaking for everyone on that proposed option when I say " Nobody wants that!" Show me where the masses were clamoring for an alliance identify maker that was just a clone of the corp logo maker. Show me!!!
No, you aren't talking for everyone! I precisely WANT exactly a tool like this!
Not one that looks like the actual corp one of course, but a good modern one, with a lot of templates, shapes, colors, typos, etc.
I want some lore friendly stuff, not that kind of crapy kid's drawings that are actually in game!
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
588
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Posted - 2015.02.18 02:16:36 -
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Nolan Kotulan wrote:Dani Maulerant wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:To judge i would have to see the amount of option such "tool" would provide. Probably what's in the corporation logo toolset, +25% more of those cookie cutter layer options, and then 4 more color options. Also, I would believe I am speaking for everyone on that proposed option when I say " Nobody wants that!" Show me where the masses were clamoring for an alliance identify maker that was just a clone of the corp logo maker. Show me!!! No, you aren't talking for everyone! I precisely WANT exactly a tool like this! Not one that looks like the actual corp one of course, but a good modern one, with a lot of templates, shapes, colors, typos, etc. I want some lore friendly stuff, not that kind of crapy kid's drawings that are actually in game! Nobody cares.
Reminder: CCP thinks you have no right to your alliance logos.
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Nolan Kotulan
Nova Tabula Rasa
92
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Posted - 2015.02.18 08:02:46 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Nolan Kotulan wrote:Dani Maulerant wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:To judge i would have to see the amount of option such "tool" would provide. Probably what's in the corporation logo toolset, +25% more of those cookie cutter layer options, and then 4 more color options. Also, I would believe I am speaking for everyone on that proposed option when I say " Nobody wants that!" Show me where the masses were clamoring for an alliance identify maker that was just a clone of the corp logo maker. Show me!!! No, you aren't talking for everyone! I precisely WANT exactly a tool like this! Not one that looks like the actual corp one of course, but a good modern one, with a lot of templates, shapes, colors, typos, etc. I want some lore friendly stuff, not that kind of crapy kid's drawings that are actually in game! Nobody cares.
Funny creature...
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1726
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Posted - 2015.02.19 14:36:21 -
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http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2wcouv/ccplease_go_faster_on_fixing_alliance_logo/copt6nu
CCP Logibro wrote: The current main thing holding up the new Alliance logos going in is a technical art consideration. At the moment we're doing a lot of work on our ships, and in the future we would like to have the option to allow players to put their alliance logos on their ships. As part of this, we'll need logos to be submitted in a specific format with particular attributes (certain layers, resolution, etc). There are a few things we can't know until we've done a lot of this work with the ships, so instead of getting people to submit their logos and then get them to submit again, we're just holding off until we know what we need the first time around.
There are some other ancillary points we'll need to also address first (there are some things around the legal aspects, but it's mostly nailed down - international IP law can be complicated), but for the most part that's what we're waiting for.
Akrasjel Lanate
General Director(CEO) of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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AIric Vitex
Money Crew The Amish Mafia
3
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Posted - 2015.03.11 00:54:41 -
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Were getting cookie cutters after almost a year. Come on already. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1768
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Posted - 2015.03.19 18:46:43 -
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Alliance logos back April 15th
New logos
Akrasjel Lanate
General Director(CEO) of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
787
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:33:25 -
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The watermark looks just as dumb as I thought it would. |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
787
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Posted - 2015.03.20 01:31:38 -
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CCP thinks that Pepsi will be okay with me putting their logo on **** and calling it my own intellectual property if I scratch it up and put my own logo right next to it. Because that's their logic. It's ******* stupid and so is whoever thought of this. |
Mirkali Maricadie
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.20 02:23:23 -
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Yeah... I think Sion said it best in the CSM9 Minutes:
Quote: Sion Kumitomo: The question is, itGÇÖs been what, 11 years? And how many times have you been accosted by a player for IP rights?
CCP Falcon: Zero, nil, none.
Sion Kumitomo: So as far as your risk profile here, it is not high. When people see their logo being used on something official, their first thought is hooray.
Apart from that, I was hoping they'd tell them this was non-negotiable. Full Stop. But hey, they were elected to CSM because they can compromise. We'll see how this actually plays out once they push it. |
JSSix
CRY.NET Nihilists Social Club
15
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Posted - 2015.03.21 12:50:16 -
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Looks like this is soon to reopen again... after a very long wait :) |
Jon Hellguard
X-COM
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Posted - 2015.04.01 11:50:16 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:CCP thinks that Pepsi will be okay with me putting their logo on **** and calling it my own intellectual property if I scratch it up and put my own logo right next to it. Because that's their logic. It's ******* stupid and so is whoever thought of this.
I think "Torfi" is head of IP. I wouldn't call this guy stupid - ever. Nor should you. Lets be happy that we still can have our own alliance logos and not have to use some crappy kind of shape-selection builder. |
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
364
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Posted - 2015.04.01 12:12:46 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:The watermark looks just as dumb as I thought it would.
better than removing the whole service and being stuck with a standard crappy logo?
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
787
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Posted - 2015.04.01 12:18:46 -
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Neither of those are acceptable options. |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
364
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Posted - 2015.04.01 12:23:41 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Neither of those are acceptable options.
so whats your solution?
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
787
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Posted - 2015.04.01 12:41:51 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Neither of those are acceptable options. so whats your solution? A universal, assignable, irrevocable and royalty-free license to use. It's an even better solution for CCP than CCP's own solution, considering in many (most?) jurisdictions their proposal doesn't actually solve any of the problems they're claiming it does. A derivative work doesn't suddenly resolve the issues with using somebody else's intellectual property. |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
364
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Posted - 2015.04.01 12:48:26 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Neither of those are acceptable options. so whats your solution? A universal, assignable, irrevocable and royalty-free license to use. It's an even better solution for CCP than CCP's own solution, considering in many (most?) jurisdictions their proposal doesn't actually solve any of the problems they're claiming it does. A derivative work doesn't suddenly resolve the issues with using somebody else's intellectual property.
but you also chose to upload your logo, they are not breaching anything because you are the one who wants your logo on their game so you agree to there terms or dont upload
and who exactly gets a royalty free license?
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
787
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Posted - 2015.04.01 12:50:34 -
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You didn't even read what I said, did you? |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
364
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Posted - 2015.04.01 12:52:25 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:You didn't even read what I said, did you?
yeah but kinda read it wrong,
so who exactly gets a royalty free licence?
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
787
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Posted - 2015.04.01 12:52:41 -
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Lan Wang wrote:and who exactly gets a royalty free license? The uploader would be the one granting CCP the license. |
Albert Madullier
Black Scorpions Inc Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.04.11 09:23:27 -
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any updates on this?
its been forever and to be quite frank its non issue that ccp have made into an issue |
JSSix
CRY.NET Nihilists Social Club
15
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Posted - 2015.04.13 23:03:36 -
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According to CCP.... during Fanfest...
Alliance Logo Submission will be Open Tomorrow (14-04-2015).
we will see? |
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