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Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.02.14 01:01:00 -
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As the headline from this article reads. Thoughts? DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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Satoshi Kaname
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.02.14 01:16:00 -
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Microsoft doesn't let ccp use tranquility. And after 2 years people couls really start to accept that dust is exclusive. Ports on't code themselves and cost money. And it would be very difficult to keep both versions up to date. Also cheat protection would be a whole new topic with a pc version. |
Xindi Kraid
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.02.14 05:56:00 -
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There's no deal preventing CCP from making Dust on Xbox, they chose not so since Microsoft's structure for Xbox Live is not conducive to the game model when they have to pay through the nose for every update. |
Lucy tzung
Deep Strike Mining Divison
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Posted - 2014.02.17 03:11:00 -
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if out on Xbox then it could go on windows too, CCP want PC gamers on EvE and console gamers on Dust514, makes more sense on PS3 as Sony aren't as greedy as Microsoft.
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Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
360
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Posted - 2014.02.17 13:18:00 -
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Sometimes it seems like the big wigs at CCP get it, other times it seems like they're trying to drive nails with a cheese wheel.
"...there are 80 million PlayStation 3s and we have a free-to-play game..."
80 million PS3s out there, a free game, and about 10,000 players max, ever. And that estimate is being generous. Being free isn't enough to be successful. It needs to be good. Being like EVE, following those patterns established by EVE, providing a meaningful connection to EVE and meaningful decisions and consequences for Dusters, making the player feel like they're actually in New Eden, those things will make it good. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2014.02.17 17:38:00 -
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There's no deal, it'd just be moronic to do it. Business logic led to the game being on PS3, and that logic continues to be sound. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2014.02.17 17:56:00 -
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Business logic is something different than actual valid reasoning? It seems so. Because that is not the vision I have been paying for. a++ püñ Gùò_Gùò a++püñ [TALOCAN STUFF] |
dent308
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.02.17 21:32:00 -
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Datacenter policies for XBox live prevent connecting to external services, like TQ. Sony on the other hand threw out the rulebook and said build whatever you need. |
Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2014.02.18 15:05:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Business logic is something different than actual valid reasoning? It seems so. Because that is not the vision I have been paying for.
Doesn't matter what you've been paying for. You give money to CCP, which is a business, to play one of their products, EVE. Businesses make products, and CCP decided to make a new product. You have no entitlement to the money after you pay for your subscription with it. |
Dextrome Thorphan
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.20 11:07:00 -
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Satoshi Kaname wrote:Microsoft doesn't let ccp use tranquility. And after 2 years people couls really start to accept that dust is exclusive. Ports on't code themselves and cost money. And it would be very difficult to keep both versions up to date. Also cheat protection would be a whole new topic with a pc version.
LOL it's really not that hard to write a game that works on both platforms (excluding xbox cuz microsoft are greedy d-bags)...
Now of course if you spend 4 years developping a game specifically for PS3 and only for PS3... you might have kinda screwed yourself and made it hard to port it to PC or even PS4. But that is 100% their own fault then ofc. |
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Satoshi Kaname
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.02.21 06:56:00 -
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Dextrome Thorphan wrote:Satoshi Kaname wrote:Microsoft doesn't let ccp use tranquility. And after 2 years people couls really start to accept that dust is exclusive. Ports on't code themselves and cost money. And it would be very difficult to keep both versions up to date. Also cheat protection would be a whole new topic with a pc version. LOL it's really not that hard to write a game that works on both platforms (excluding xbox cuz microsoft are greedy d-bags)... Now of course if you spend 4 years developping a game specifically for PS3 and only for PS3... you might have kinda screwed yourself and made it hard to port it to PC or even PS4. But that is 100% their own fault then ofc.
It would take resources to write the patch for to platforms. It would take logistics to release the patch on more than one platform at the same time. This would most likely either reduce the content of the patches or make the patch cycle longer. It's not just one port they would have to do. |
Armaeus Hellbrecht
THE HECATONCHIRES
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:56:00 -
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Xindi Kraid wrote:There's no deal preventing CCP from making Dust on Xbox, they chose not so since Microsoft's structure for Xbox Live is not conducive to the game model when they have to pay through the nose for every update.
^This. Xbox Live is not F2P
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Lucy tzung
Deep Strike Mining Divison
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Posted - 2014.02.24 11:02:00 -
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Dextrome Thorphan wrote:Satoshi Kaname wrote:Microsoft doesn't let ccp use tranquility. And after 2 years people couls really start to accept that dust is exclusive. Ports on't code themselves and cost money. And it would be very difficult to keep both versions up to date. Also cheat protection would be a whole new topic with a pc version. LOL it's really not that hard to write a game that works on both platforms (excluding xbox cuz microsoft are greedy d-bags)... Now of course if you spend 4 years developping a game specifically for PS3 and only for PS3... you might have kinda screwed yourself and made it hard to port it to PC or even PS4. But that is 100% their own fault then ofc.
I hear that dust wont work on ps4 but cant you download playstation now? being able to stream any playstation title? if so is dust514 one of these titles?
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Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2014.02.24 15:37:00 -
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Lucy tzung wrote:I hear that dust wont work on ps4 but cant you download playstation now? being able to stream any playstation title? if so is dust514 one of these titles?
PlayStation Now doesn't work that way. It's specific titles that release on it. |
Lucy tzung
Deep Strike Mining Divison
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Posted - 2014.02.24 16:05:00 -
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Crasniya wrote:Lucy tzung wrote:I hear that dust wont work on ps4 but cant you download playstation now? being able to stream any playstation title? if so is dust514 one of these titles?
PlayStation Now doesn't work that way. It's specific titles that release on it. id be surprised if sony didn't have it on there sooner or later can it be patched to run on ps4?
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2014.03.11 18:05:00 -
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Crasniya wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:Business logic is something different than actual valid reasoning? It seems so. Because that is not the vision I have been paying for. Doesn't matter what you've been paying for. You give money to CCP, which is a business, to play one of their products, EVE. Businesses make products, and CCP decided to make a new product. You have no entitlement to the money after you pay for your subscription with it.
That's why they failed. Not listening to the paying players. My point was that they are not doing business right. Lack of succes with DUST and WiS is the reason I am so bitter. I know that these money was probably spend on beer, but if that beer would make them go with beter game, I was willing to pay for it. That had to be integral part of the EVE game, not an almost standalone console shooter, with WiS part almost nonexistent. _¦Å-æ-»¦Ñ¦¼-Ä_-¢-å¦ä_-½-»-å¦ÿ-ò-û¦¦ |
Sugilite
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.31 05:09:00 -
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Who cares
I'd play it. |
Archibald Liberty Killmore
Toodles McGiggityGoo and Friends
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Posted - 2014.03.31 13:33:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote: That's why they failed. Not listening to the paying players. My point was that they are not doing business right. Lack of succes with DUST and WiS is the reason I am so bitter. I know that these money was probably spend on beer, but if that beer would make them go with beter game, I was willing to pay for it. That had to be integral part of the EVE game, not an almost standalone console shooter, with WiS part almost nonexistent.
Having Dust and Eve both on PC would be like having your coffee shop right next to your coffee shop . Why would you have 2 money making games on the same platform. Almost all the people that I know that play Dust and Eve play it together at the same time.
Yes at the same time! |
Sugilite
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.31 22:30:00 -
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Archibald Liberty Killmore wrote: Having Dust and Eve both on PC would be like having your coffee shop right next to your coffee shop
Because they are different sorts of games it would be more like having a coffee shop next to your doughnut shop.
Quote:Why would you have 2 money making games on the same platform. You know most game developers [that actually have >1 game] have multiple games on the same platform. It's not exactly a crazy thing to do, like you would imply. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:46:00 -
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I haven't seen anyone mention the fact that Valkyrie is being developed for two platforms. Actually, I haven't really gotten a good grasp on the platforms themselves, yet. Is it correct to the of the Oculus Rift (for PC) as a platform? I guess not. How do we think if them, then. Are they (Oculus Rift for PC and Project Morpheus for PS4) just a display device like a fancy monitor or are they hybrid display/input devices?
Anyway, Valkyrie was initially developed only for the PC. It's as different from EVE as DUST is from EVE. Now Valkyrie is being simultaneously developed (essentially) from the start for two platforms. We don't know the details of how they'll interact with each other or with the rest of New Eden (EVE and DUST), but we at least know the development is there.
It's pointless to argue what might have been, and at this stage I would say developing for another platform would be stretching resources; DUST recently had to cut support for a handful of foreign languages because they simply don't have the manpower. I want DUST to be like EVE in every way possible for an FPS. This (matching DUST language support to EVE's language support, effectively dropping support for several languages) is not one of those ways I feel DUST should be similar to EVE.
DUST at this point simply lacks resources to develop for another platform. It seems like they barely have resources to develop anything at all. The question is why didn't they make the initial decision to develop for anything else other than the PS3, especially in light of Valkyrie being developed on the PC. Arguments of cutting into player bases simply don't hold water.
Another semi-related thought, DUST development took so long, I'm sure they intended to launch on the PS3 and have a good long life on that platform, but the PS4 was announced before public beta even began (correct me if I'm wrong. If I am wrong, PS4 was announced very shortly after.) DUST began life on a soon to be end-of-life platform. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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Archibald Liberty Killmore
Toodles McGiggityGoo and Friends
11
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Posted - 2014.04.01 12:43:00 -
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Sugilite wrote:Because they are different sorts of games it would be more like having a coffee shop next to your doughnut shop.
Ok. We shall take your logic. Why would you have your coffee shop next to your donut shop? Wouldnt it make sense in having your donut shop next to your competitors coffee shop?
Sugilite wrote: You know most game developers [that actually have >1 game] have multiple games on the same platform. It's not exactly a crazy thing to do, like you would imply.
Please name one successfull franchise that does this? Note that I said "successful".
Even the GDs that have multiple games on the same platform have different gameplay. Please dont forget Dust and Eve are integrated. |
Archibald Liberty Killmore
Toodles McGiggityGoo and Friends
11
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Posted - 2014.04.01 12:50:00 -
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Markku Laaksonen wrote: It's pointless to argue what might have been, and at this stage I would say developing for another platform would be stretching resources; DUST recently had to cut support for a handful of foreign languages because they simply don't have the manpower.
DUST at this point simply lacks resources to develop for another platform. It seems like they barely have resources to develop anything at all.
Another semi-related thought, DUST development took so long, I'm sure they intended to launch on the PS3 and have a good long life on that platform, but the PS4 was announced before public beta even began (correct me if I'm wrong. If I am wrong, PS4 was announced very shortly after.) DUST began life on a soon to be end-of-life platform.
There are conspiracy theories that Dust on PS3 is actually one big beta and us Dusters are nothing but one big chunk of Beta Testers. There were numerous videos floating around on you tube of hard to miss Eve/Dust dropsuits in action.
About the resources;- with fanfest coming up, Project Morpheus on PS4 and CCPs little support on Dust clearly shows that there is some sort of development shift towards another platform. Most likely PS4. Could be XBone. My money is on PS4. |
Sugilite
State Protectorate Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2014.04.01 15:43:00 -
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Archibald Liberty Killmore wrote:Ok. We shall take your logic. Why would you have your coffee shop next to your donut shop? The point I was making is that the shops do not provide the same service (other than both providing consumable material -- a broad category, similar to the broad category of both Eve and dust being video games of different genre) and therefor are unlikely to cannibalize eachother's customer base.
Archibald Liberty Killmore wrote:Wouldnt it make sense in having your donut shop next to your competitors coffee shop? Only if their coffee shop draws so many customers in that area that the location is more valuable than any other location for that doughnut shop. The correct choice would be to put your doughnut shop wherever it could drum up the most business.
Archibald Liberty Killmore wrote: Please name one successfull franchise that does this? Note that I said "successful".
Why did you make it more specific by asking only for franchises? But it does not matter, most franchises that make multiple games tend to keep them on the same platform. Since you asked for one, I shall name Warcraft, which is a popular franchise with successful RTS and MMO.
Archibald Liberty Killmore wrote: Even the GDs that have multiple games on the same platform have different gameplay. Please dont forget Dust and Eve are integrated.
Just like Dust and Eve are different gameplay? Just because they happen in the same "world" does not mean their gameplay is somehow not different.
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Satoshi Kaname
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
24
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Posted - 2014.04.02 14:28:00 -
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Archibald Liberty Killmore wrote:About the resources;- with fanfest coming up, Project Morpheus on PS4 and CCPs little support on Dust clearly shows that there is some sort of development shift towards another platform. Most likely PS4. Could be XBone. My money is on PS4.
Little support for Dust? Instead of just pulling stuff out of your rear you should try to back it up.
Jut recently Dust got a new update which introduced a full range of new Dropsuits and Side Weapons. At Fanfest they want to announce the next iteration. Up until the end of the year it got monthly updates. These stopped due to the vacations but may continue at least until Uprising 2.0. There are still monthly events and almost daily hotfixing. I don't know where you got that "little support" part from.
Also: Dust has been PS3 exclusive for more than 2 years by now. CCP never even hinted at making a PC version. So I kinda really doubt that there will ever be a PC version. They will probably port it to PS4 sooner or later but seriously: Can't we just stop about all these discussions why Dust should or shouldn't be on PC? It's exclusive. Deal with it. CCP have their reasons. You don't have to agree with them, but that won't change a thing. Heck: Even RDR fans got over it and either bought a console or dealt with it. I don't see PC players anymore who flame daily about how RDR should come to PC. |
Archibald Liberty Killmore
Toodles McGiggityGoo and Friends
11
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Posted - 2014.04.02 14:40:00 -
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Satoshi Kaname wrote: Little support for Dust? Instead of just pulling stuff out of your rear you should try to back it up.
Jut recently Dust got a new update which introduced a full range of new Dropsuits and Side Weapons. At Fanfest they want to announce the next iteration. Up until the end of the year it got monthly updates. These stopped due to the vacations but may continue at least until Uprising 2.0. There are still monthly events and almost daily hotfixing. I don't know where you got that "little support" part from.
Pulling stuff out of ones rear is a dreddit/subdreddit thing. Here is your proof. Read it and weep.
PS: I know. I actually play the game and like it. PPS: Also the new version of Dust is not Uprising 2.0 . Rumor has it called Evolution. PPPS: Do you even IRC brah? PPPPS: Language support gone due to lack of staff PPPPPS: GG
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Jallukola
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.04.07 11:26:00 -
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Even if some magic plans for DUST PC would appear and the porting would start to take place, I'd still rather see DUST as a console game for now. Let PS3 players waste their money on testing, CCP can start working on the game for real later. A proper port is unlikely though.
It's a real shame in my opinion, there definetly is a market for games like DUST514 on PC, feels like wasted potential for now. |
Satoshi Kaname
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.04.07 13:28:00 -
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Archibald Liberty Killmore wrote:Satoshi Kaname wrote: Little support for Dust? Instead of just pulling stuff out of your rear you should try to back it up.
Jut recently Dust got a new update which introduced a full range of new Dropsuits and Side Weapons. At Fanfest they want to announce the next iteration. Up until the end of the year it got monthly updates. These stopped due to the vacations but may continue at least until Uprising 2.0. There are still monthly events and almost daily hotfixing. I don't know where you got that "little support" part from.
Pulling stuff out of ones rear is a dreddit/subdreddit thing. Here is your proof. Read it and weep. PS: I know. I actually play the game and like it. PPS: Also the new version of Dust is not Uprising 2.0 . Rumor has it called Evolution. PPPS: Do you even IRC brah? PPPPS: Language support gone due to lack of staff PPPPPS: GG
You didn't proove anything. The financial statement is no statement about how much support Dust has.
Also language support is another thing from game support. Why spend money on language support which is barely needed?
And it's Uprising 2.0 until anybody has something official. |
Archibald Liberty Killmore
Toodles McGiggityGoo and Friends
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:45:00 -
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Satoshi Kaname wrote: You didn't proove anything. The financial statement is no statement about how much support Dust has.
Also language support is another thing from game support. Why spend money on language support which is barely needed?
And it's Uprising 2.0 until anybody has something official.
Did you even read the financial report brah? Did you see that little piece about a 21 million write off?
Now stick with me as this might be hard to comprehend but when you have a write it means that an aspect of your code that was supposed to generate income;- didnt!
Are we good so far on understanding economics and accounting?... If not pray
Eve and Dust are CCPs only 2 games out so far. WOD failed! Epically! We know Eve is a class act and doing well. So the question is where did the 21 million write off come. The answer is simple;- Dust. The language support going is in direct correlation to this loss because the team that caused the loss needs to show that they are saving the money some other way.
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DeeJ1
BetaMax Beta
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Posted - 2014.04.12 11:39:00 -
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Archibald Liberty Killmore wrote:Eve and Dust are CCPs only 2 games out so far. WOD failed! Epically! We know Eve is a class act and doing well. So the question is where did the 21 million write off come. The answer is simple;- Dust. The language support going is in direct correlation to this loss because the team that caused the loss needs to show that they are saving the money some other way. GG If that's WOD that failed, why has to writeoff be Dust related? Can't it be WOD? Point is maybe the CSM only knows that outside of CCP and it's investors. |
Archibald Liberty Killmore
Toodles McGiggityGoo and Friends
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Posted - 2014.04.14 12:31:00 -
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DeeJ1 wrote:Archibald Liberty Killmore wrote:Eve and Dust are CCPs only 2 games out so far. WOD failed! Epically! We know Eve is a class act and doing well. So the question is where did the 21 million write off come. The answer is simple;- Dust. The language support going is in direct correlation to this loss because the team that caused the loss needs to show that they are saving the money some other way. GG If that's WOD that failed, why has to writeoff be Dust related? Can't it be WOD? Point is maybe the CSM only knows that outside of CCP and it's investors.
Yes you are correct about the CSMs knowing what went wrong. They said that the NDA doesnt allow them to speak about it. With that said the very fact that they are saying that cant say anything about it lead me to speculate that it was Dust that took a bullet. Too mnay coincidences make and incident. |
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