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Ali Aras
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2014.02.24 03:48:00 -
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No vote, but https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=277841&find=unread and https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984 are *pretty* clear on where the community stands. The TOS/EULA issues should be handled by a GM, and I suggest you contact one. http://warp-to-sun.tumblr.com -- my blog |
Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2014.02.24 03:54:00 -
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It's very wonderful that you're here to protect your friend but the truth of the matter is the rules are the rules regardless of how some people feel about them or not. It's a matter of principle. As a CSM you represent the people and you should show some sort of ethical standing in the community at least as far as the EULA goes. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3027
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Posted - 2014.02.24 04:23:00 -
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If you feel rules are rules, report him and move on. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect Surely You're Joking
216
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Posted - 2014.02.24 05:06:00 -
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Maybe it's already done. That's neither here nor there though as far as the discussion goes. |
Jayne Fillon
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Posted - 2014.02.24 05:29:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote: "To provide some clarification - impersonating another player, be it by creating a character with a similar character name as someone else or simply claiming you are the alt of someone (such as the 'I'm your CEO's alt' scam as described by F'nog), is not allowed."
1) Bheskagor Azizora is not similar to Seraph IX Basarab in name 2) When hiring said mercenaries, I never explicitly claimed to be you
Here's the part from the chat logs where you're assuming I break the EULA:
(You were right, btw, all I had to do was search "pastebin Bheskagor Azizora" - sneaky way of sharing chat logs without actually posting them on the forums, I must admit.)
Quote:Jayne Fillon > I specifically convo'd marmite with my alt knowing they wouldn't go to war with you guys. Jayne Fillon > Spun some sob story that implicated seraph, then went to the guys who I knew would actually take the job.
Key word, implicated.
The part of the TOS that you quoted doesn't even apply in this situation - please oh please show me the logs where the character Bheskagor Azizora is claiming to be you. Anyway, if the Eve community doesn't think I should be CSM because I hired mercenaries on an alt and then took steps to ensure that it wouldn't immediately be traced back to me.... then cool. Until then, report me to a GM and stop clogging up my thread with nonsense. Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI. |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
1008
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Posted - 2014.02.24 05:32:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Maybe it's already done. That's neither here nor there though as far as the discussion goes.
Given that the GMs and CCP are the only relevant arbiters, their opinion is the entirety of the discussion.
My impression, after looking at your evidence, is that this is some seriously weak sauce that isn't responsive to Jayne's suitability for membership on the CSM.
Seriously, if that's all you have, drop it. I'm sure the GMs will have a good laugh about it, and then we can move on to more interesting and relevant discussions. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect Surely You're Joking
216
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Posted - 2014.02.24 05:33:00 -
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Jayne Fillon wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote: "To provide some clarification - impersonating another player, be it by creating a character with a similar character name as someone else or simply claiming you are the alt of someone (such as the 'I'm your CEO's alt' scam as described by F'nog), is not allowed."
1) Bheskagor Azizora is not similar to Seraph IX Basarab in name 2) When hiring said mercenaries, I never explicitly claimed to be you Here's the part from the chat logs where you're assuming I break the EULA: (You were right, btw, all I had to do was search "pastebin Bheskagor Azizora" - sneaky way of sharing chat logs without actually posting them on the forums, I must admit.) Quote:Jayne Fillon > I specifically convo'd marmite with my alt knowing they wouldn't go to war with you guys. Jayne Fillon > Spun some sob story that implicated seraph, then went to the guys who I knew would actually take the job.
Key word, implicated. The part of the TOS that you quoted doesn't even apply in this situation - please oh please show me the logs where the character Bheskagor Azizora is claiming to be you. Anyway, if the Eve community doesn't think I should be CSM because I hired mercenaries on an alt and then took steps to ensure that it wouldn't immediately be traced back to me.... then cool. Until then, report me to a GM and stop clogging up my thread with nonsense.
No Jayne, you have a quote in your logs where you state that you TOLD someone that the alt was me. That's directly against:
"To provide some clarification - impersonating another player, be it by creating a character with a similar character name as someone else or simply claiming you are the alt of someone (such as the 'I'm your CEO's alt' scam as described by F'nog), is not allowed."
And you shouldn't lie when you yourself state that you did so in order for me to get the blame of your actions on purpose. It wasn't just "covering your tracks." This is more than simply hiding your identity to hire mercs, this is breaking EULA rules. |
Jayne Fillon
204
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Posted - 2014.02.24 05:50:00 -
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Then report me.
I'm only going to field questions relevant to the CSM from now on.
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI. |
Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect Surely You're Joking
216
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Posted - 2014.02.24 05:52:00 -
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I don't know why you think that hasn't happened too. But this isn't about that. It's about your ethics as a CSM candidate. You even lied in your own CSM thread in the previous post about something that everyone can see in the logs. Not a great start. |
Knezzy
Sanctuary of Shadows
1
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Posted - 2014.02.24 07:29:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:I don't know why you think that hasn't happened too. But this isn't about that. It's about your ethics as a CSM candidate. You even lied in your own CSM thread in the previous post about something that everyone can see in the logs. Not a great start.
If Jayne has actually broken the EULA and it has been reported to a GM and they plan to review it - then your job is done. If the GM's find that he was in violation - he will face consequences that will restrict him from playing and as a byproduct, keep him from being a part of the CSM.
Thank you for your contribution to the matter. You've clearly stated your concerns and I think everyone reading this thread would appreciate any further posts concerning this specific matter being avoided so we can continue to focus on Jayne's qualifications and merit for CSM.
Jayne: As a part-time hi-sec incursion runner, previous pilot for Bombers Bar, and current FC for Spectre Fleet, I've grown very fond of the "open community" aspect of these and other groups. The pick-up-group style comradery formed in these fleets and channels provides a lot of content and is a great gateway for new and old players alike to expand their skill sets, especially in combat situations. One major drawback to this is, for instance, a hi-sec incursion runner whose corporation/alliance is routinely involved in wardec's and won't be allowed into any of the major incursion fleets as a result. That pilot then has to forego a part of the game's content to commit to the wardec, or commit to the hassle of moving his character to a different corporation to continue running.
- Will you give everyone your opinion on how these kinds of communities and pilots' involvement in them could be made more independent of their corporations/alliances/coalitions - or would any changes actually hinder these communities' development and operation?
- Furthermore, can you please give us your impression of the current wardec mechanics and your ideas for how they could be improved?
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Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect Surely You're Joking
216
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Posted - 2014.02.24 08:05:00 -
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Very true and they will deal with that as they see fit. Aside from that it may be concerning that Jayne is willing to hire mercenaries to attack the very community he claimed to serve and then blame someone else in order to look good. As a member of bombers bar you should at least know the guy did everything in his power to destroy the community and absorb the playerbase into his "Spectre fleet" which he himself admitted was only created to displace and replace bombers bar. But I'm sure, Mr Knezzy of SASH (Jayne's corp) perhaps you're already familiar with those details. I think the logs you can find yourself (if you can't i'll send them to you) already show Jayne only has experience destroying organizations he joins under the guise of serving them. One has to wonder what sort of help that experience provides in the CSM. |
Knezzy
Sanctuary of Shadows
1
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Posted - 2014.02.24 09:15:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Very true and they will deal with that as they see fit. Aside from that it may be concerning that Jayne is willing to hire mercenaries to attack the very community he claimed to serve and then blame someone else in order to look good. As a member of bombers bar you should at least know the guy did everything in his power to destroy the community and absorb the playerbase into his "Spectre fleet" which he himself admitted was only created to displace and replace bombers bar. But I'm sure, Mr Knezzy of SASH (Jayne's corp) perhaps you're already familiar with those details. I think the logs you can find yourself (if you can't i'll send them to you) already show Jayne only has experience destroying organizations he joins under the guise of serving them. One has to wonder what sort of help that experience provides in the CSM.
That's a bit of a wild accusation considering you published THIS. You are currently stating something you tried to imply in your article but are, to the best I'm aware, unable to furnish proof of your claim.
If "destroying the community" to you means stepping up and leading a group who'd lost their leader, then sure - he did that. Tempelman N was very unpredictable and left the whole game shortly after the banning of SASH from BBar. As it stands, BBar is growing again under new leadership and Spectre Fleet has delivered on its word to remain neutral and operate NPSI as always. We do not actively recruit out of BBar - our pilots come to us of their own free will.
The separation of SASH from BBar has given rise to Spectre Fleet and allowed other pilots to head BBar. We may have lost Tempelman N in the mix, but I now see two communities where previously there had been just one.
Personally, I think you're giving Jayne too much credit here. He may be a brilliant EFT warrior and engineer, but a premier spymaster and one-man wrecking ball to a thriving and open community like BBar? Yeah... doubt it.
Content provided. Job well done.
NPSI forever. |
Jayne Fillon
205
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Posted - 2014.02.24 10:04:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Very true and they will deal with that as they see fit. Aside from that it may be concerning that Jayne is willing to hire mercenaries to attack the very community he claimed to serve and then blame someone else in order to look good. As a member of bombers bar you should at least know the guy did everything in his power to destroy the community and absorb the playerbase into his "Spectre fleet" which he himself admitted was only created to displace and replace bombers bar. But I'm sure, Mr Knezzy of SASH (Jayne's corp) perhaps you're already familiar with those details. I think the logs you can find yourself (if you can't i'll send them to you) already show Jayne only has experience destroying organizations he joins under the guise of serving them. One has to wonder what sort of help that experience provides in the CSM. Does this mean that I have the vote of anyone who doesn't like the CSM as a whole?
Edit: Knezzy, I'll get to your questions later, just woke up. Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI. |
SKINE DMZ
Stay Frosty.
318
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Posted - 2014.02.24 12:19:00 -
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Wow you've been grilled my man, i applaud you for having fought everything off so well and you've made a good case.
also lol at Seraph IX Basarab I disagree |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
1010
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Posted - 2014.02.24 15:57:00 -
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Back to interesting stuff:
Jayne Fillon wrote:This is to say that I believe a power projection nerf, or alteration, would be a good for the game. However, I am in no way of supporting a change that imposes arbitrary restrictions on players; a better path would be to encourage the use of fast warping or more maneuverable ships, to pick two examples from many. However, to change this would require a complete overhaul of the sov system, which some argue is already overdue.
This may sound harsh, so let me start off by saying that I agree. However: You know how many thousands of ~words~ have been written about complete overhauls of the sov system. You know how many years it's been a hot topic (from what I have read, it's been approximately all of them). Dominion was a long time ago.
Given that:
How are you planning to contribute to something actually getting done? Clearly, it's not on CSM to do it, but the will has been there for years on both sides of the table. There is no shortage of ideas. There's been no shortage of debate. How do we get to implementation, and what sort of timeline do you think we might be realistically looking at (yes, that will be a pure guesstimate, and I promise to not hold you to it!). How do you see the ESS, and the new anchorables, contributing to a new system? What if there's more than one way to do sov?
2) Let's say that CSM 9 has exactly the same impact on nullsec that previous CSMs have had: much discussion, some good ideas, some bad ideas, and some new shinies, but at the end of the day it's still IHUBs and TCUs and SBUs as far as the eye can see. What will you tell the people who are now hoping that you, or someone, will ~fix sov~?
Thanks. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect Surely You're Joking
217
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Posted - 2014.02.24 17:15:00 -
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Knezzy wrote:That's a bit of a wild accusation considering you published THIS. You are currently stating something you tried to imply in your article but are, to the best I'm aware, unable to furnish proof of your claim. If "destroying the community" to you means stepping up and leading a group who'd lost their leader, then sure - he did that. Tempelman N was very unpredictable and left the whole game shortly after the banning of SASH from BBar. As it stands, BBar is growing again under new leadership and Spectre Fleet has delivered on its word to remain neutral and operate NPSI as always. We do not actively recruit out of BBar - our pilots come to us of their own free will. The separation of SASH from BBar has given rise to Spectre Fleet and allowed other pilots to head BBar. We may have lost Tempelman N in the mix, but I now see two communities where previously there had been just one. Personally, I think you're giving Jayne too much credit here. He may be a brilliant EFT warrior and engineer, but a premier spymaster and one-man wrecking ball to a thriving and open community like BBar? Yeah... doubt it. Content provided. Job well done. NPSI forever.
Actually I was very nice to Jayne in the interview. If you want to see the rest, where he more or less wets himself you can look up "Jayne Seraph Interview Complete" on pastebin and see for yourself. I'll send you a link personally to make sure you can see yourself, in his own words, what sort of goals Jayne had. He even had discussions with me about how to work together to do this. And if you remember when the whole bbar scandal was happening on TS and Jayne and Nonnak were trying to make claims and grabs for everything, I was the one who told everyone to just settle down, go about their own way and be at peace.
Also ask Jayne for the convo between him, Nonnak and Xarolith when they the latter two were told by Jayne about the 2nd unpublished part of the interview. Something about panic attacks in the hotel room. Go ahead, don't look at me, ask your own guy in his own words. Send him the logs, if you want those I can send those too.
So my friend I think you've been mislead by a very dishonest individual. Look how he's clammed up, doesn't even discuss it under the guise of "We have important CSM stuff to talk about." Garbage from a guy that spouts blocks of text bigger than my own. This should be a great opportunity to prove me a liar if what I had said did not have any merit. |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
1011
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Posted - 2014.02.24 18:18:00 -
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OK, so I still don't know where "wets himself" and "panic attacks in the hotel room" come from. This is a game where people are encouraged to pull stunts like that, and it is just a game. So he blew it, which is actually kind of endearing. If you banned every would-be in-game scoundrel from CSM, who would be left? Well, you'd have Mike Azariah, who'll be at the top of my ballot; but even he would say that it'd be nice to have the the other 13 voices around.
Has this little bit of ~drama~ really been worth four pages of :smug: and :coy:? Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Myo Megas
Vengance Inc. Dirt Nap Squad.
3
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Posted - 2014.02.24 18:37:00 -
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its funny that people say jayne "stepped up" to take ladership in BB when temp was inactive, they dont add that he was asked/told to stop acting like that many times by many people and he would just do his own thing anyways. he calls himself "litterly ******" and will stab anyone in the back to get his way. This is eve, its expected that people will have no honor, be two faced and just a general bullshitter but when you run as CSM imo you should have a higher standard but then again jayne never believed in having standards or following rules of a group that has been establashed before he came around, its all his way or the high way. now here comes all his lil buddies to bash my response as that how he "wins at eve" instead of deal with things just send in the goownswarm style attack of random ppl saying how bad the acuser is. |
Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect Surely You're Joking
217
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Posted - 2014.02.24 18:40:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:OK, so I still don't know where "wets himself" and "panic attacks in the hotel room" come from. This is a game where people are encouraged to pull stunts like that, and it is just a game. So he blew it, which is actually kind of endearing. If you banned every would-be in-game scoundrel from CSM, who would be left? Well, you'd have Mike Azariah, who'll be at the top of my ballot; but even he would say that it'd be nice to have the the other 13 voices around.
Has this little bit of ~drama~ really been worth four pages of :smug: and :coy:?
Sent you the logs. You can read them yourselves but to paraphrase (since i cant post the logs themselves here): appearently myo was there when i scapegoated seraph for being the one who sent the mercs. yes he recorded me blaming the war on him, etc etc etc.
The hotel room panic was a bit dramatic. In any case anyone who wants those can hit me up with a mail as well.
And this isn't about him pulling off a stunt. He breached the EULA. I could go into about how he kicked the membership of his last corp while his CEO was busy IRL planning his wedding and finishing off university, or how he created Spectre fleet and pulled off whole other schemes to discredit bombers bar in order to absorb the membership. It isn't about him being a "clever schemer", God it isn't that. If he would have at least pulled it off well I could have shook his hand and bought him a beer. Instead he destroyed the community that he was suppose to protect yet again with incompetence and scheming. Even now his corp is failcascading. I simply don't see any merits on any level that would give Jayne the ******* for the CSM. |
Myo Megas
Vengance Inc. Dirt Nap Squad.
3
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Posted - 2014.02.24 18:42:00 -
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also jayne's inability to let go of bombers bar is just sad when he **** all over what the channel was made for. He still constantly lies about what happened and about isk, Templeman did not steal billions of isk, any isk he took was known and all were told yet jayne, like always, acts like he is in the dark or something else happened. |
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Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect Surely You're Joking
217
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Posted - 2014.02.24 19:21:00 -
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If people want fun facts they can just check out my profile. |
Jayne Fillon
206
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Posted - 2014.02.24 19:49:00 -
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Myo, I understand that you have personal issues with me, and while it's certainly flattering to see everyone who hates me show up in force in a single thread, this thread is about the CSM. I only brought up Bombers Bar when I was explicitly asked a question about it regarding the CSM. In regards to "wetting myself" in the hotel room prior to you publishing your interviews on EN24, I think in light of recent events my concern was well founded. You and Myo can bang drums all you want, try and fabricate a scandal out of vague references to the EULA and TOS, and you can even throw wild claims around. You're not going to stop me. Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI. |
Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect Surely You're Joking
217
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Posted - 2014.02.24 19:54:00 -
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Jayne Fillon wrote:Myo, I understand that you have personal issues with me, and while it's certainly flattering to see everyone who hates me show up in force in a single thread, this thread is about the CSM. I only brought up Bombers Bar when I was explicitly asked a question about it regarding the CSM. In regards to "wetting myself" in the hotel room prior to you publishing your interviews on EN24, I think in light of recent events my concern was well founded. You and Myo can bang drums all you want, try and fabricate a scandal out of vague references to the EULA and TOS, and you can even throw wild claims around. You're not going to stop me.
Your concern was well founded the moment you decided to break the EULA. Even be4st, the one other guy beside me who defended you in front of Temp and tried to keep the peace has told me that you lied and told people that your alt was me. According to the EULA you CANNOT claim to be someone you are not. You can't be a CSM if you can't even respect the EULA.
The added stuff about you kicking corp members while the CEO was doing their wedding, or spying, or trying to overthrow leadership by damaging the community you were acting to protect, that's just icing on **** cake you baked. Bon apettit. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3032
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:01:00 -
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It sounds like you have a grudge against Jayne that goes well beyond "oh it's just the principle" as you claimed in your GD thread, straight to something personal. Care to show us on the dolly where he touched you? Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
243
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:08:00 -
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Seraph. Either you have reported the alleged EULA violation to CCP, in which case you should let them do their stuff and shut up, or you haven't reported the alleged EULA violation and should report (assuming you have evidence) and then shut up. If CCP finds EULA violation, they will act on it. If they find EULA has not been violated, just accept it and let it go. As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia |
Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect Surely You're Joking
217
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:19:00 -
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Don't worry about that. I'm not at liberty to discuss GM convos.
Interesting that everyone is trying to hush this up so much. Evidence are there in my profile, people can see themselves. |
Jayne Fillon
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:43:00 -
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Knezzy wrote:As a part-time hi-sec incursion runner, previous pilot for Bombers Bar, and current FC for Spectre Fleet, I've grown very fond of the "open community" aspect of these and other groups. The pick-up-group style comradery formed in these fleets and channels provides a lot of content and is a great gateway for new and old players alike to expand their skill sets, especially in combat situations. One major drawback to this is, for instance, a hi-sec incursion runner whose corporation/alliance is routinely involved in wardec's and won't be allowed into any of the major incursion fleets as a result. That pilot then has to forego a part of the game's content to commit to the wardec, or commit to the hassle of moving his character to a different corporation to continue running.
- Will you give everyone your opinion on how these kinds of communities and pilots' involvement in them could be made more independent of their corporations/alliances/coalitions - or would any changes actually hinder these communities' development and operation?
- Furthermore, can you please give us your impression of the current wardec mechanics and your ideas for how they could be improved?
I think I rambled about Incursions earlier in this thread, but you bring up a good point about wardecs and how they've influenced the creation and growth of these communities. You actually have to make a distinction here between the communities that run incursions primarily, and those that run combat fleets. While open combat fleets are generally formed with altruistic intent, such as to help newbros (Agony, Flying Dangerous), or just a simply love for PvP (RvB Ganked, Spectre Fleet), incursion communities are created in an environment of mutual distrust. This is fueled entirely by corporation mechanics.
If a PvP pilot is in a corporation or alliance, he is able to access and participate with content beyond what an open fleet community can provide - drop capitals, suicide gank, or maybe even wormhole diving. However, an incursion pilot who is in a corporation is doing himself a disservice and putting himself at risk. Legal inter-corp aggression in highsec makes new recruits to a theoretical incursion corp very dangerous for potential awox. Even if said corp managed to find a core group of active an passoinate incursion pilots, they will inevitably be forced to either drop corp or drop incursions. It's no surprise that people pick the former.
Although NPC corporations can't be wardec'd, the tax makes it an unsuitable home for these people, and are forced by no desire of their own to create one man solo corps of isolation just to enjoy their content of choice. This is the sense of mutual distrust and vulnerability that causes incursion communities to be a necessity, rather than combat communities being a infrequent indulgence into their content of choice. Whether this is a fault of the wardec mechanics or corporation and alliance mechanics is up for debate, but in this case, I have to side with the wardecs being the cause of the problem.
This is for one reason. Features within the game are meant to create content - all kinds various of play styles and niches for pilots to enjoy. The ever present threat of wardecs is preventing the creation of anything beyond communities of mutual distrust, with no content created for or by the wardec group. This is something that needs to be changed. Nullsec and Lowsec shouldn't be the only place for corporations and alliances. Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI. |
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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
569
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:03:00 -
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Temporary lock during clean up! ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons Interstellar Services Department @ISD_Eshtir | @ISD_CCL |
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Myo Megas
Vengance Inc. Dirt Nap Squad.
3
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Posted - 2014.02.24 23:26:00 -
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Jayne Fillon wrote:6. Well you were obviously involved with this, my anonymous friend. To get a few things straight - the "questionable handling" was the founder of Bombers Bar, Tempelman N, having withdrawn 5B ISK from the Bombers Bar corporation following an extended hiatus from the game. He did so without any stated or valid reason. That money was meant to be used for SRP to replace the bombers of new pilots, however was at the time being restricted to only hunter killers despite a surplus of over 14B ISK. Where that ISK is now, I don't know. When the vast majority of FCs departed Bombers Bar following these events and joined me in Spectre Fleet, we took the lessons learned from the failings of Bombers Bar and created a better and stronger community. This is one of the things that we promised to do differently. Transparency was one of these things. You don't see any transparency, for two reasons. First off, Spectre Fleet doesn't hoard resources or ISK like Bombers Bar did, there's simply no benefit to community as a whole. We operate on a fleet by fleet basis, and payout any earnings made in loot at the end of each and every fleet. This happened just yesterday when we killed a deadspace fitted tengu, looted his modules, then sold them back to the same pilot not five minutes later. Knowing we'd made enough to refund every ship for every member in the entire fleet, we found the largest gang we could and threw ourselves at them inglorious combat, managing to take out more T2 ships and winning the ISK war before glorious destruction. Most people came out of that whole ordeal with ISK to spare after insurance. This is the sort of thing that keeps people in ships, flying in fleets, interacting with people, and having fun. Hoarding 14B ISK in a wallet somewhere does nothing to accomplish that, nothing to encourage your members to enjoy the game - flying with Bombers Bar taught me that. The second reason you're not seeing any transparency is because you're looking in the wrong place. We accept donation sent to a character that goes by the name of, you guessed it: Spectre Fleet. If you look at this characters bio, you will see an API key that will give you full access to his financial history, who donated how much, and where we've sent the ISK and why. Trust me, I won't let history repeat itself. You can fake a google document, you can't fake an API key. So in summary, how can you trust me? Well, this is Eve, there's no guarantee that you can. Although I greatly doubt that your concerns regarding me "looking the other way" if I get elected to the CSM are valid, I'll touch on that concern anyway: Quite simply, I've already called CCP out for a questionable decision, and was happily the reason why they reversed their original decision. I care about this game, and I care about the people I fly with. I hope you can see this.
How is this about the "5bil isk" not rumor mongering? is ISD Eshtir going to take this down too? |
Ben ReVerT
Vengance Inc. Dirt Nap Squad.
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If you are going to be running for CSM, can we be sure that you are trustworthy? Have you broken any ingame rules/broken the EULA? |
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